gavra_at_work

Loyal Jew = Joe.

’nuff said.

What is a “tent city”? Has someone started “Occupy Lakewood”? What are their demands?

Penniless Parenting people. Check it out.

I’m also going to ask that the following link/article be allowed. It was originally in Hamodia, and deals with attitude towards money.

http://www.mesila.org/Hamodia.asp?AID=82

Each individual landlord is not mechuyav to lose money by taking the Ani in or allowing him to stay without paying (Pashut).

Now the question is do we support such a family so that they can stay in the community? I would think yes, but it goes together with all of the rest of Hichis Tzedaka and Kedima. Does he go before paying your child’s tuition? How about telling a Kollel guy to get a job because we need your salary to pay this guy’s rent?

I believe the Shulchan Aruch YD 253:1 applies as well. If someone is asking to be supported in public, then he needs to sell his items first.

uneeq: I could not find it after looking quickly, so I ask if anyone here can help.

Chassidishe Gatesheader: I’m impressed with you, and hope that I would do the same in your situation (If it happened, C”V). I don’t know if it was applicable in your case, but did you consider bankruptcy at some point?

A CFP doesn’t want to work with an ani. They want clients that they can make a commission off.

IIRC there is a frum Org. that does this for free. I can’t remember the name offhand, but I do remember reading about it. Perhaps someone else here can help out by remembering.

Besides, a poor person should not be thrown out of town since he cannot afford to live in the area and he is G-d forbid told to move elsewhere.

Interesting. Source? Halacha allows a landlord to remove someone who doesn’t pay rent, poor or not.

(If you want, start a new thread, as this is a Halachic discussion).

Gavra: is it too much to ask to read the opening post before commenting? When someone states he has a child and another on the way where does a SIL come into the picture? He probably has personal loans to pay off, and/or working for low pay. Kollel bashing is way off base here.

Except that that is Pumpt the person who I am thinking of (SIL in Kollel & more children on the way), I would agree. Being that I’ve seen it, I wouldn’t say not. I missed the part about “one child” though, and wouldn’t have mentioned it had I seen that.

C”V that “Bashing Kollel” comes into play. However, when you have your FIL collect so that you can remain in Kollel, that goes way beyond the pale.

Actually, you bring up a good point. People in Kollel learn to be “Mistapek B’muat”, or live with less (which is an awesome Middah to have). The OP could probably learn from Kollel members how to get his finances under control.

All that accomplishes for me is keeping me steadily destitute instead of homeless. WITH Food Stamps, WITH WIC and WITH Medicaid, I still am not bringing in enough to meet our needs

With all due respect, perhaps you should see a financial planner to see where you can “slim down” so that you can live within your means? I have no idea of what your finances are, but someone who has a job and is on government programs should have enough not to be “steadily destitute”. Rent, medical and food should all be taken care of by the government. Are you supporting an SIL in Kollel? I know of people who collect to support their sons in law, and it is terrible. If that is the case, you have to stop.

Without sounding mean if I was in your circumstance this is what I would do

1) Go directly to DSS and apply for Food Stamps, WIC Section 8, HEAP, Welfare SSI Medicaid and any other government program there is , Just to be able to pay some bills and be able to put some food on the table and pay rent.

2) After I had at least some backup Id start to look for a JOB. Instead of schorring people for money, how about Schnorring them for a JOB. Id be spending all my time browsing the job websites asking anyone I know about a job. Id walk into stores and ask to fill out a job application (Most jobs arent advertised)

I have to second this. The US is a medinah shel chessed, and they will help if asked.

Hatzlacha on finding something.

they have a nice building, the teachers i hear are very good, and it is an intense program. for 12th grade they prepare guys for beis medrish with morning, afternoon, and night sader. but if your son needs a place that is warm he shouldnt go there.

The building is cold?

Israel has free speech, they can protest against jobs all they want. If the stupid Zionist government is willing to throw their money at the Charaidim in exchange for their votes (similar to the democrats and Unions), that is not my problem.

I have suffered far more for wont of a good plumber or electrician than I have from not having access to a good doctor. I can figure out the results of a blood test, or even get online and figure out what I have, and get hold of medication on my own. I cannot fix even a simple leak without spending time that I don’t have and money on tools I’ll use once and then lose track of. With Obamacare looming, and engineering jobs (another formerly good field for frum Yidden) moving to India, I think some people ought to use their minds for learning at night and their hands for working during the day. What’s more, with surgery becoming more automated, I have no problem with Ramesh from Mumbai operating on me (I am now in Asia and I plan to have minor elective surgery done here by a local doctor because it’s something a mohel or even a cosmetician can handle), but if I were building or renovating a home, I’d prefer that the complex plumbing and heating systems of today be installed by a Yid with a Yiddishe kop.

Blame it on tuition 🙁

However, having quite nobly served its purpose, it is quietly fading away as its constituents realize that in a free society, you do not have to bend in any way, or accept kefiradige thought (aka Western philosophy) in any way to succeed.

Even 25 years ago, I knew of no serious YU student who wasted his life studying philosophy or anthropology – most leveraged their year in EY to finish YU in three years or transfer to Columbia engineering school before going on for a law degree or MBA.

These two statements prove each other. Like “Bear” said, Torah U’Maddah is a relic of the draw of knowledge (which unfortunately doesn’t exist in the most part. Now people just want their degrees so they can afford Yiddishkeit.) Perhaps it still exists for Yechidim to use Maddah as a tool for Yiddishkeit, but most (IMHO) “MO” don’t hold of it.

Emes is the OP is expressing kefira. On is forbidden to pray to anyone but Hashem . And only hashem can give us any ruchnios or gashmios anyway.

Clarke’s third law: Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.

TheBearIsBack: Or Richard Joel, who seems to have been the driving force in that case as well (from what I read).

What’s HIS excuse for being insensitive to others walking around struggling to make end’s meet – which unfortunately is NOT an exaggeration).

Explain to me please what is “insensitive”. Hashem gives everyone, so we believe Hashem gave the rich man more 7 the poor man less. There should be no “sensitivity” involved on either side. I know that my house is smaller than my neighbors’. So what? This is what Hashem gave me, and I am thankful for it.

The Tznius point is valid, but lost in our world of denier & necklines.

There was a famous case about 20 years ago of a Chassidic woman in Brooklyn with issues, The issues were known to the community . The Rebbe told the parents to have more children and she eventually killed one of her kids.

Rebbes are hereditary, and have no additional anything because of who their great-great grandfather was. A “Rebbe” can easily be a Hedyot.