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Homeowner:
No clue what you are getting at, but I do read (as I have posted on other threads). I believe it is important for a person and well as a yid to be well versed in the classics.
SJS:
Not to get into that specific point, but it really depends on the Chazaka of the lettuce @ home or on the road.
For example, Dole prewashed iceburg has a Chazaka of being clean and there is no need (as per my Rov) to check each leaf. He does say one should check 3 handfuls (to maintain the chazaka? IDK) and if those have an issue, each leaf must be checked.
And he is known to be a machmir in these issues.
Thanks busy, I see my option 1 is the Chasam Sofer’s answer.
They had a fake face.
Then they removed it.
Now we see their true face.
We can now use the fake face for Purim.
Thank you Liberals!
Homeowner:
Or “A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur’s Court” by Twain.
1st, CH, good to see you after your hiatus.
I assume you are talking about something the size of the OU. They have many employees, so it lowers the product/employee ratio to something managable (I think).
but your oyver an aveyrah by doing so and if the chachomim ban something under cherem then it’s like an issur derabonon no?
No.
It is (more like) an Issur D’Oraysa, actually, if a real Neder is used.
My guess is that he means “anarchism” (i.e. the idea that there should not be any central authority) or “anachronism” (i.e. the idea that we should go back in time and place futuristic objects in the past — i.e. like giving the Jews AK-47s to fight the Babylonians to prevent the first churban.)
My guess is on the latter. 🙂
The Wolf
The Yidden at the time of the churban had much better weapons at their disposal (such as the ability to levitate the city), if you read the Medrashim. They just didn’t help, since Hashem wanted them to lose.
If they had AK-47’s, the bullets would have just plopped out, with the next one complaining how hard it was to push out the first bullet.
What, exactly, is this “major distinction?” I fail to see one. Saying that something is a cherem is the same as saying that it is forbidden.*
The Wolf
Three possible points:
1: Saying something is a “Cherem” does make it Assur, similar to a Neder. Placing someone in Cherem for doing something (which may be the case here, I do not know) is not creating an Issur. (which was my point)
2: Along those lines, there is the ability to make something Muttar (such as water) assur to you via a neder (or Cherem). That does not create an Issur D’Rabbanan on the object.
3: Being that the Cheremim of Rabbanu Gershom were not accepted by all of Klal Yisroel (and needed to be accepted in order to apply), it does not have the status of Issur of Chazal.
There is actually a Bach that says the Rabbanan CAN NOT Asser something that the Torah explicitly says is mutar.
Polygamy?
The Wolf
That is not a issur M’Dirabannan. There is a Cherem on those who do it (I know that is lawyering, but it is a major distinction).
Cedarhurst:
If you saw any of those in Touro, City, Brooklyn, etc. within the past 50 years I would be shocked.
So where did you go to college? And How much do you need to earn to live in the Five Towns?
(directly related to if you need post high ed. in something useful or not, and s/he still hasn’t responded).
Nothing wrong with loopholes which the Torah explicitly allows (it is like cooking on Yom Tov).
There is actually a Bach that says the Rabbanan CAN NOT Asser something that the Torah explicitly says is mutar.
kapusta:
It is the norm for areas OOT with large supermarkets with a “Kosher section” to have a large selection, including CY.
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Nothing wrong with loopholes (it is like cooking on Yom Tov).
Also Eino Dom’e College during Rav Miller time (where it was much more clean & conservative) to College now.
Mr. 80:
Agreed. But one should still know the applicable Halachos for Fish, such as feeding them first.
My Rav told me that my wife should try not to look at non-kosher animals when she’s pregnant. This precluded my ability to buy a dog or cat.
So I got a kid.
I believe this is a standard Lubavitch Shittah.
it is not assur to have a pet
doing so however is fraught with practical Halachic and Hashgufic problems
i dont know anyone who has a pet or would consider having one, its not even a remote consideration.
but for others, who are presently holding somewhere else, it certainly is not assur, but should not be entered into lightly.
I know of two cases of dog owners. One where the owner is blind, the other where there is a disabled child & the child’s Rosh Yeshiva suggested it.
In addition, many people own fish, where many of these halachas would apply as well.
PY: My point there was that even the authorities that allowed college, were dead-set opposed to television.
Agreed. Those signers (which BTW, were NOT the Gedolim of the time, and did not include Rav Moshe, Rav Yaakov or Rav Ruderman) were able to make a “Our camp” which excluded TV’s, and to a large extent, made it a signature issue.
Also, regarding college. There are “Charadi” Gedolim and Yeshivos that allow it, and those that don’t. As with other things, ask your own LOR.
Real Gedolim didn’t accept money from Frei Yidden for their schools.
For example, Yeshiva of Brooklyn and Rav Manis Mandel.
Then again, Real Gedolim also didn’t take money from people that didn’t pay full tuition, as they held it would be Gezailah.
See: Rav Schwab.
Must be NisKatnu HaDoros.
Rav Gifter went to Yale.
He thought it would be L’toeles, and left when he decided it wasn’t.
Real Gedolim didn’t accept money from Frei Yidden for their schools.
For example, Yeshiva of Brooklyn and Rav Manis Mandel.
rage, $73,000 for a job (and without college even) is not good enough for a Jew?
No.
Assuming you actually live in Cedarhurst, you already know that.
Sola Fide.
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(Chabbakuk 2:4)
Seriously? To be Marbe Kavod HaBorei. That goes for all types of people.
If I hear a woman singing on a supermarket radio, must I immediately leave said supermarket?
Note: I do not listen to taped Kol Isha.
What Rov told you you can’t listen to taped?
Go back & ask him your question.
If you didn’t ask anyone the first time, then go ask.
SJS: It is possible, but highly improbable, to make enough money without having a trade. Besides, staying in yeshiva exclusively saps your willingness to go work (at all) when it is required.
In addition, at some point you will have to learn whatever parnassah you want to do, and as we know, at that point the benefits of not working outweigh those of working, and the person ends up being a tzedaka case.
BS”D:
I’m going to agree with Sam here (Say! I like green eggs and ham! I do! I like them, Sam-I-am!? :-), even though I don’t know anything about the percentages (and just from what I have seen). The wife has to commit to the marriage, and from what I have seen in some examples, it is a loss of that commitment from the wife’s side that causes a divorce (Even if the husband did something not right, it doesn’t mean a divorce is required or even recommended). That is yet another reason why a couple needs a Local Rov.
If there is even a hint of abuse, a professional should get involved. That DOES NOT mean the couple should get divorced, etc. but to make sure that everyone (including the children) are safe.
You wouldn’t eat something that is probably Kosher, why would you not at least check out possible abuse.
MR: That is what I said too.
B”H for Shalom.
so Hashem DOES change the past in certain circumstances but CHOOSES not to do so in other circumstances, apparently when it involves rewriting our daas.
Hence Shrodeger’s cat.
BS”D
Mr. 80:
If that is the case, what stops Hashem from not giving us the Torah, or not making his Shevuah to the Avos?
At some point, you have to deal with the reality that you see.
Wolf: The question (seemingly) is a fallacy.
Unless it is Shrodeger’s cat, the timeline already has or has not changed.
As such, it is still a Tefilas Shav.
BS”D
TMB is 100% correct. The Husband’s parents go before the wife Halachicly (let us not sugar coat anything).
However, there are shibudim that a husband has to his spouse, that a parent does not have the right to interfere with (since that would be against the Torah, which then Kibbud Av V’em would not apply).
It is no coincidence that the prototypical case is “who goes first” for a glass of water. There are no shibuddim involved. If it was “who gets the water”, the wife would get it since he is Meshubad to feed her.
Besides, as Wolf points out, if a parent does interfere, the spouses will work on avoiding the conflict (or get a Rov to give them a Heter to completely avoid their parents for “Shalom Bayis”, which I heard has been done), including not picking up the phone & not visiting (both of which are not being “Over” Kibbud (IMHO)).
AZ: So it is a communal system, just only older girls are serviced.
AinOhdMilvado:
You are right.
Having a gun would probably not have stopped the Holocaust.
It’s doubtful if even EVERY german Jew had had a gun if it would would have stopped the Holocaust.
BUT… NOW, with the experience of the Holocaust in our hearts and souls and minds, having a gun CAN, at the very least, keep us from ever again being dragged away like sheep.
AND, having (and knowing how to use) a gun CAN definitely make a life and death difference if your home if your home is broken into by armed thugs.
In that sort of Scenario, you are much better off being prepared to bug out. And do you really expect to keep a loaded handgun in your night table in case you are invaded? Once again, you are better off (and safer) giving them what they want (if C”V something happens), and having good insurance.
If Moshiach is not an acceptable response (which would mean he is here) then……
Barak Obama.
I would then promptly pardon Pollard & Rubashkin.
Alt: Carlos Slim, and give all the money away to Tzedaka.
(I see a pattern).
We call it the free market.
Supply is lower than demand, it drives prices up.
America Stands Strong:
A single gun will not help you in that case.
(call me John Galt or JWR).
Not necessarily true at all.
We are taught all our years that our spouse will be the most important thing to us when married.
Married Chassidish couples are best friends. They might not look it cuz they would never act “mushy” in public.
Very true, and a good thing. One should not be “mushy” in public in any case, there is no need to announce what you are up to.
I would (IMHO, I am not a Chassid expert) rephrase & say thet the couple is expected to grow together after being married vs. falling in love before being married.
The dimyon is once again, Fiddler on the Roof. Once you are in that mindset, it makes sense.
AZ: Since in your proposed system, there are still going to be girls who will be unwilling/unable to pay, it does not cover everyone in the same way.
A totally immodest prediction about the “crisis.”
Why immodest? Well, I predicted the OTD crisis, and I predicted the shidduch crisis and I predicted the parnassah crisis. Not with nevi’ah, but with common sense and little knowledge of the social sciences. (Not that anyone listened to me.) And I wasn’t the only person predicting. I would name names but I wouldn’t want to offend anyone or reveal my true identity.
NEXT CRISIS: OTD older single girls. We teach our girls that the only worthwhile thing in life is children and marriage (in that order emotionally speaking, not temporally) then we make sure that a lot of them can’t achieve it. And we also have a society in which there is no place for single older women (or single older men, now that I come to think about it).
What’s going to happen when these girls, most of whom are now in mid to late twenties, hit their middle thirties and see their chances of having children closing off? Are they going to feel disillusioned? Desperate? Are they going to hang around to become “poor things” or are they going to go off the derech, maybe even marry that nice non-hareidi guy at work? OTD crisis? We ain’t seen nuttin’ yet.
Midwest2: I have suggested before (in the CR) that what will happen is they will take advantage of AI, domestic parterships and adoption to bypass the male aspect of having & raising a child.
Maybe then someone will be willing to do something?
AZ: Let’s make clear that it won’t solve the problem, but it can be a tool that will do something, and that is good too.
The shaddchanim will still work on those who will pay them more. That is why the kehilla concept (steady income, no pressure to redd specific people) is better, I think, but your idea can also be used.
AZ: Only multi million, drop some zeros 🙂
But the point is still true. Having it be someones parnassah brings along the proccess.
It will be when it becomes the multi million dollar business that Kiruv has become.
That is part of AZ’s solution.
AZ:
I hear. Those who would not have been able to pay can do so when they are older and working, so it gives them an edge over poorer girls just off the plane.
As long as the results are good.
AZ: I don’t think point #2 is true:
Parents are desperate even at 18-19, so if they have money they will go to the shaddchan that charges at that point, and the system will still favor those who have money over those who don’t.
I can see it happening, girls cheshboning out whether to go on date #3 since it will cost them $150 at the shaddchan.
Now if you have money, all fine and good. But if not….
I still like the kehillah based system, and yes, it will be only for a smallish kehillah and it won’t work for all, but it will work for many.