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Wrong Zionist:
It is you who seem to be using Zionism as a facade and diversion, as implied by your nasty comment against Satmar (and NK).
Nobody in Satmar or NK (those are very different), to anyone’s public knowledge, has forbidden following that halacha. For you to (falsely, in general) condemn them for doing so implies that you are doing exactly that: “using Zionism as a facade and diversion”.As posted, if you really feel that Chareidim need some sort of defense training and that doing so would be a fulfillment of that halacha then you could speak to an LOR to ask why the gedolim haven’t done so. As posted, they are obviously well aware of that halacha.
Your needless and false bashing of Satmar (and NK) is wrong, and makes it seem that Zionism is indeed the reason for your post.
@Shalom-al-Israel:
I did indeed include that word “spiritually”.
@GadolHaDofi:
Seems like you are looking in the mirror. Don’t curse another Jew, especially when you are so wrong about motivation and everything else.
Besides, it’s obvious that you’re just making excuses because you don’t believe in the Torah and just want to falsely label and bash innocent people.
You should be ashamed of yourself for accusing and cursing innocent people. May G-d forgive you.@Rocky:
That’s pretty interesting Zionist logic you’re proposing, which goes something like this:
A Jew anywhere in the world who spends thousands of dollars a year directly supporting Torah has less merit than a Zionist storm trooper who abuses Jews since some of his tax money goes to support Torah.
Moreover, any Jew who contributes anything to that “State”, like by visiting there, for example, and paying anything in taxes, would then also have that same “merit” as the storm trooper – in addition to the thousands of dollars he pays to support Torah.
That’s besides the fact that these storm troopers are hurting Jews, which is obviously not negated by their tax dollars supporting anything.
Wow.@GadolHadofi
So, you mean you don’t believe in the Torah. Chazal say Gadol haMachtio min haHorgo.
Regardless, you are both evil and foolish for cursing a Jew, especially for no good reason.May Hashem help and protect all His children.
@Shalom-al-Israel
There is a fourth, of course: Jews who recognize the gross inhumanity of the wicked Zionists against our brethren under Zionist control.For starters, the wicked Zionists forcibly impoverish the (chareidi) Jews there by forbidding them to work until age 26 unless they first agree to convert from Judaism to Zionism in the Zionists’ shmad army.
The senseless sheer brutality used by Zionist police against Jews there, including men, women and children has been reported here numerous times.
There is an additional Torah-based point that is often lost. Chazal tell us that making someone sin is worse than hariga. Zionism is the opposite of Judaism. It makes untold numbers of people commit numerous sins, from its ideology to its education system to its army. This is largely ignored but, in the Torah’s view, this is actually worse than Nazi murder.
@israeli-doc
You stated that you “cannot fathom how even with the worst behavior of the police, people can compare them to Nazis. Sad.”
For one example, Yaldei Teiman would definitely qualify.It is indeed sad that you cannot fathom that, but that doesn’t change the facts of the world-class evil that the wicked Zionists have committed against the Jewish people there.
anon1m0us:
The oaths are based on kesuvim – Shir HaShirim, specifically -, of course, not navi, and are brought down liHalacha throughout the ages as has been mentioned numerous times before – as the Satmar Rav enumerates in his sefer on the topic which Zionists refuse to acknowledge. This includes the Ben Koziva revolt which was, of course, following the second – not first – Bais HaMikdash. Of course the oaths are in effect, as per every gadol. You cannot quote even one which states otherwise, though Zionists do try to twist the alleged Rav Meir Simcha and all the rest.qwerty613:
You mean because everyone knows that the Nazis copied the disgusting and libelous Zionist propaganda against Jews (and added their own, too, but that’s besides the point) and that I didn’t bother looking up the exact location in Mein Kampf for you? Do some research and you shall find.@RightJew (WrongZionist?):
It is the Zionists that discarded the Torah.The gedolim surely know that halacha in Shulchan Aruch at least as well as you do, and that has nothing to do with either group you mentioned (which you mentioned just because you presumably wanted to wrongly trash them anyways).
If you have ideas about the S”A or whatever else, you could start by consulting your LOR.
@DaMoshe:
Yes, zero Torah authority.
These Zionist lies have been debunked before.
Go ahead and quote your alleged sources.For example, by Rav Meir Simcha, you’re obviously referring to the letter allegedly from him published only in a “Religious Zionist” periodical, where he actually affirmed the oaths being in force. He simply stated that since the British issued their Balfour Declaration at that time – which they later rescinded, as it happens – and Jews were now permitted by the ruling gentile authorities to move to E”Y – entire non-politically, of course – that it would not be a violation of the oaths (i.e., rebelling against the nations) for Jews to move there. He said nothing about any of the oaths no longer being in force (which would make no sense for numerous reasons, as the Satmar Rav explains and on which there is no dispute).
anon1m0us:
By “not a gadol”, you didn’t specify to whom you were referring from my last post.
Perhaps you meant Rabbi Kook, though he was a tremendous scholar.AAQ:
“ideally recognizing what HKB”H has given us (by saying the prayers for the State and IDF per halacha…”
LOL. As per halacha? G-d “gave us” the Holocaust, too. Jews fooled by the Zionist idol prayed for that “State” thinking it would be a good thing, so Hashem answered their prayers and gave it to them instead of bringing Mashiach. But, no, obviously it would be insane to pray for a “State” that is a total and massive rebellion against G-d and that has been hurting His children even more than in the past.We pray for all Jews to be safe, however G-d chooses to do that, not for that shmad “State”.
ZSK:
My advice in my previous posts remains.
No, there is zero Torah authority that claims the three oaths are not in force. Zero.Regarding: “Your insistence that Jews lived in “peace” before the “Zionist invasion” is a textbook Cherry-Picking Fallacy. You’ve conveniently scrubbed the 1834 Safed plunder, the 1517 Hebron attacks, and some 1300 years of humiliating Dhimmi status from your memory. ”
No, it is reality. You’ve listed three incidents from the hundreds of years prior the Zionist invasion, implying that the Zionists’ invasion did not severely reduce the peace the Jews enjoyed there. SMH.
And the “rise of Pan-Arabism” would have been irrelevant to Jews had the Zionists not invaded.
And it is not I that have no shame but you that refuse to see reality. The Chevron Massacre occurred because of Zionism. Period. No, obviously a “cordial” relationship will not prevent savages from rioting when godless Zionists proclaim that the Kosel is theirs (while under British administration) and the savages believed that their Al Aqsa mosque was under threat thanks to those godless Zionists (and Rabbi Kook backing them up, claiming to the Mufti that he cannot distinguish between religious feelings and nationalist feelings, as it happens).
And Zionism is indeed the opposite of Judaism. You can read the current dear leader’s mentor’s words on that, stating that the New Hebrew will be the opposite of a Jew. Looking at it “on the ground”, Jews are Baishanim Rachmanim and gomlei chasadim. The news stories each day reveals the depths of the opposite that are the Zionists, as in their horrific assaults against (chareidi) Jews there.
Again, my advice in my prior post remains.
@qwerty613:
You don’t have to imagine. Hitler YM”S himself wrote about how astonished he was at how much the Zionists hated Judaism and its sages going all the way back, like the Rambam and all else.
@anon1m0us:
The end of your post, bashing a gadol biYisrael as you did, lost you the “right” to a response other than do teshuva for that grave sin.ZSK:
I have tried answering, but I cannot educate you; you need to learn both the Torah and, liHavdil, the history, from before 1948, not projecting your imagination of what things would have been before that.No, I did not suggest they had to remain “quiet and submissive”. As the Torah points out, we are required in galus to “lay low” and also not antagonize the gentiles, and the Jews who lived in the holy land before the Zionists invaded a little over a century ago did exactly that and had peace there, including with that same Mufti with whom, liHavdil, Rav Yosef Chaim had “cordial” relations. Once the Zionists invaded and flagrantly violated everything they could, they turned the entire region and beyond into a nightmare for Jews. The contrast could not be any more stark, yet you and others simply refuse to see it.
To clarify one point, though, of course nothing I wrote and nothing in the world absolves the Nazis from the mass genocide they committed against Jews. Period.
As to your last point, Zionism is, in both its own conception and its actual execution, the intentional opposite of Jew; so, I’m not sure why anyone would make that replacement.
SQUARE_ROOT has still not apologized for falsely libeling Jews as Hamas and Iran members or whatever was the exact nonsense then, so this nonsense, too, will be ignored.
DaMoshe:
Your disrespect to the Satmar Rav in calling him by his first name as if he were some guy on the street is a disgrace. By contrast, nobody here refers to your demi-god idol as “JB”, even though his peers referred to him that way and even though Rav Aharon Kotler noted that Rabbi Dr. Soloveichik was “responsible for all the tuma in America”.When did the Satmar Rav lie to the Jews and in which letter can you find that lie?
Rav Elchonon Wasserman did state explicitly the Torah’s view that it is wrong to go from a place of physical danger into a place of physical danger. The Brisker Rav concluded. In fact, the reason he left Europe and went to the holy land is that he assessed that while the holy land was in tremendous physical danger, as Hitler YM”S planned to invade and slaughter all the Jews there (and was stopped only by miracles), staying in Europe with its spiritual (not physical) danger was the worse option of the two. Your implication about the Satmar Rav, then, is totally backwards. He was, of course, right.
You Zionists are so pitifully bound to your idol that whenever there is mention of Kastner’s clear lies and betrayal of Jews (causing a million Jews to be helplessly slaughtered by the Nazis) – which a Zionist court backed, too, not that anyone who isn’t Zionist particularly cares – your only response is what-about-ism to falsely and against the Torah smear the gedolim. Eileh elohecha, Zionists.
zsk:
They very much do. It’s a big part of their religion. They have a “national” “holiday” dedicated to the Holocaust, and consider it a prime example of their fantastical reason for existing as a “nation” and the resultant need to sacrifice humans on the altar of Zionism. The Zionists constantly crank out propaganda that the Holocaust would have never happened had Zionism and its army been around then, conveniently not mentioning that Zionism was very much around then and the Zionists not only caused it but contributed to it by, for example, lobbying governments against allowing Jews to escape to their countries because that wouldn’t look good for Zionism (even though the British had closed the Holy Land due to Zionist agitation there).anon1m0us:
Making assumptions about people isn’t very smart.
Also, as the whole world knows, had the Zionist Kastner not lied to all the Hungarian Jews, they all could have escaped a few miles away and the Nazis would not have been able to mass murder the million Jews of Hungary. And no Rav ever collaborated with the Nazis, unlike the evil Zionists.
Finally, a Jew could, according to the Torah, be worse than a Nazi. Gadol haMachtio min haHorgo, as noted, for example.
The fact that you cannot accept the Torah’s views means perhaps you are the one who should be concerned for a “pegam”.@ZSK:
Before calling names, you might want to learn the actual history, not nonsense propaganda (and just ignorance).
No, it is your so-called analysis which is totally ignorant. To your “points”:1. The Chevron Massacre of course occurred AFTER the Zionists invaded and BECAUSE OF Zionism.
To clarify, though, the Jews who moved there non-politically, like the students of the GR”A and how Chovevei started, are obviously not “invaders”. Even the Mufti YM”S told Rav Yosef Chaim that he had no problem with Jews coming to live there, only if the Jews would try to rule over them which is what the Zionists did in the name of Jewry. But Jews, like anyone else, may choose to live anywhere in the world. So, “invasion” remains appropriate when describing the Zionists.2. Your question about the White Paper and the Brits “slamming shut” the doors in 1939 again totally missed the historical context. This was AFTER decades of Zionist agitation after the Zionists invaded DECADES before, including Zionist terror against both the local British and the Arabs. In other words, if not for the Zionists, not only would the Holocaust not have happened, but the British would have opened the doors of Palestine to Jews, not slammed them shut due to Zionist agitation in the holy land.
3. The British were perfectly capable of defending the Jews, but the Zionists agitated and terrorized both the Arabs and British leading up to 1948. The Zionist precursor-armies had been in action for decades before 1948. As well, the only reason the Arabs massed in 1948 was the impending Zionist declaration of their “State”. Regardless, even if that Arab massing had been totally unrelated, the Zionists could still have used their armies as they had but not taking that final inflammatory step of declaring a “State”.
4. This is the most obvious of all the points noted. The Brisker Rav criticized Agudah for even contemplating working with the Zionists prior to 1948 due to the tremendous rivers of Jewish blood that would be and were needed to establish that “State”. The Satmar Rav writes the same criticism about the Zionists’ war in 1967, that it, too, could have been avoided. Zionism also caused the Holocaust. That’s not very pro-Jewish life. In that Holocaust, the Zionists explicitly and repeatedly (and confirmed years later that they would not have done any differently) and proudly prioritized Zionism over saving Jewish lives. Zionism above all else, including Jewish lives. Ask any honest Zionist for the truth; it is that simple.
5. No, the forever wars were launched by the Zionists who should never have invaded in the first place and who agitated terror and wars in the decades prior to 1948.
anon1m0us:
By your “logic”, the partisans fighting the Nazis were rodfim. Better they should have left occupied Poland than divert resources from the Nazis murdering Jews.Riva:
The Holocaust, which Zionists worship, was also from Hashem. That was obviously din, not a good thing. Regarding the Zionist paradise, there’s no need for “perhaps” this or that, because all the Torah authorities have spoken about this already and, to anyone with half a brain, the cataclysmic disaster of Zionism is painfully obvious. As to what happened in 1948, the Zionist “State” coming into being was a result of prayers answered for that “State” even though that was horrifically bad for the Jews and prevented Mashiach from coming then according to both the Brisker Rav and Satmar Rav.Nobody is speaking badly about Jews in the holy land who have become more religious, etc. Judgement is indeed for Hashem. But, no, it is not forbidden to speak about everyone. Hilchos L”H dictate about whom it is and is not permitted to speak.
We can bring Mashiach by changing our attitudes towards the idol and not perpetuating the same mistake made in 1948 of praying for that idol which literally stopped Mashiach from coming then according to both the Brisker Rav and Satmar Rav.
@Yankel-Berel:
Tefillos for good health and well-being are always appreciated.But you don’t seem to have comprehended what was written. Perhaps a little history would help.
No, those savages will not rule E”Y, not according to any known “shita”.The wicked Zionists invaded the holy land against the wishes of the Jews there over a century ago. The wicked Zionists insisted on fighting not only Jews but, liHavdil, both the British Mandate authorities and the Arabs there. So the wicked Zionists knew very well the trouble they were causing. When the UN informed the wicked Zionists that they intended to start a new mandate after the British mandate concluded, the Zionists insisted that they would instead declare “independence” – and knowingly launch their “forever wars” to an entirely new level.
They knew better but did not care about Jewish lives, of course.
SQUARE_ROOT still has not apologized for cursing and falsely accusing other Jews on this forum, so his nonsense will be ignored.
But all should be mocheh against his denigration of the holy Satmar Rav.SQUARE_ROOT should be banned from these forums, as there are plenty of pro-Zionist/idolater forums where he can hang-out and spread his Zionist nonsense.
yankel berel:
You don’t mention that the original Zionists were the ones who came up with many of those filthy and false accusations against Jews – which the Nazis later used as well, and the savages after them.You also seem very confused. Like it or not, everyone prays for the collapse of the Zionist regime.
As the Brisker Rav pointed out, that’s the viLaMalshinim prayer we all say thrice daily.Obviously, that has nothing to do with the shulchan aruch and also not being mafkir any Jewish lives, CH”V.
Hashem is omnipotent. That means that He can do anything, including the peaceful discontinuance of the curse of Zionism in all its forms.
The Zionist heretics and idolaters, on the other hand, insist that G-d cannot run the world without that Zionist paradise, and they ignore/deny portions of the Torah in claiming that nonsensical view.riva:
Hashem should protect you all, but the Torah does not approve of putting yourselves in any danger for the sake of any land, no matter how holy and precious that land is. Doing so is idolatry.GadolHadofi:
You’re still accusing falsely. First, they are not my “buddies”. Second, I never justified anyone behaving improperly to any gadol haDor.
It is extremely dangerous to curse a Jew because that could cause the curse to rebound on the one cursing. Please stop accusing falsely, and grow up.SQUARE_ROOT:
They are true, of course, despite your idolatry causing you to prefer otherwise.
Instead, you just repeat the same false accusations endlessly.This has nothing to do with Qatar or anything else. It’s really disgusting to falsely accuse fellow Jews out of nowhere, when it is actually Zionism that is diametrically opposed to Judaism.
All the gedolim have stated for over a century that Zionism is an extreme danger to the Jewish people and is idolatry and heresy, as is plain to anyone who is willing to open their eyes.
simcha613:
No, that’s not at all what you are saying. You decided that a fake redemption and halachically forbidden return to the land should take the place of the actual redemption and the G-d-ordained return to the land that occurs only when the Messiah comes.@Happy new year:
Zionism is idolatry. Idolatry is not rational. That’s the basic answer.
Zionism and its “State” are also infinitely worse than anything else. But there’s no criticism of that idol either.
Their criticism of NK is basically due to NK’s opposition to the Zionist idol, not any other reason.@RightJew:
This has nothing to do with Qatar or anything else. It’s really disgusting to falsely accuse fellow Jews out of nowhere, when it is actually Zionism that is diametrically opposed to Judaism.All the gedolim have stated for over a century that Zionism is an extreme danger to the Jewish people and is idolatry and heresy, as is plain to anyone who is willing to open their eyes.
GadolHadofi:
No, it is you that are filthy and accusing falsely.I did see the headline you mentioned and immediately assumed that there would be lots of idolatry in the comments, so I went straight to the comments and responded. Even after looking quickly at the article now, I still don’t see details of who did what. There are no photographs/video that I saw of anyone in NK “uniform” saying anything to Rav MHH.
I still am not familiar with the story you claimed, only that there was some disturbance but that B”H the dinner proceeded regardless.
If anyone will “burn” it is those defending idolatry. As mentioned, I have never defended anyone insulting Rav MHH or the like and in response to a previous question of yours, I explicitly noted that such a thing is obviously wrong. Stop accusing falsely.
@simcha613:
But your point is wrong, as mentioned before, because there is no such prayer.
We do not pray to simply return to EY. We pray for the redemption, and part of that will, of course, be returning to EY.johnnysmith:
Why not instead address the points made?@SQUARE_ROOT has still not apologized for cursing Jews on this forum so his nonsense will be ignored here.
@RightJew (Wrong, in fact.)
None other than Rabbi Dr. Soloveichik, head of Mizrachi, openly stated that everyone knows that Zionist and its “State” caused a skyrocketing jump in the hatred of Arabs against Jews (because the Zionists lied that they the Zionists were acting in the name of Jews).No, it was not a paradise for a Jew to have lived under Muslim rule, but Jews did far, far better under Muslim rule than they did under Christian rule. And, more to the point, the decades leading up to the 20th century were far, far more peaceful for Jews in the holy land than were the decades after the Zionists invaded the holy land. This is simple fact, and only Zionist idolaters refuse to acknowledge that.
So, no, it is not Satmar that is “radical”, as Satmar is in fact mainstream Torah, as opposed to Zionist idolatry which is extremely radical – redefining Judaism into Zionism, etc. NK isn’t relevant to typical conversations, but they obviously would hold similarly on the core issues.
@GadolHadofi:
You’re making things up as usual. If any group behaved disrespectfully to any gadol haDor then that is obviously wrong. I am not familiar with the story you claim but, as stated, there is no need to condemn the obvious (as I just hopefully clarified for you above).Regarding your nonsensical assertion that “The opinion of the Satmar Rav, zt”l, regarding the State after 1948 was not accepted by the majority of Klal Yisrael or their leaders.”:
Of course it was accepted. There were only minor disagreements on voting or the like, but nobody argued that shmad wasn’t shmad, and nobody argued that the Zionists hadn’t grossly violated the shevuos which were obviously still in effect as they were ever since the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem.
@yankel berel:
Chazal say gadol haMachtio min haHorgo, and the Zionists are orders of magnitude worse in that regard.But just because the Zionists B”H haven’t done everything the Nazis did, that doesn’t mean that nothing the Zionists have done could qualify under that rubric. In fact, these recent examples very much qualify.
@flamingOTD:
It is not the Jews that are the oppressors in any conflict; that conflict is between the Zionists and the Arabs, not Jews and Arabs.
@yankel-berel:
It was the wicked Zionists, of course, who caused those countries to abandon their plans to take in those Jews from Europe, as the wicked Zionists – falsely claiming then, as now, that they were speaking on behalf of world-wide Jewry – lobbied governments against allowing in Jews to their countries because it was disloyal to their ambitions for then-Palestine even though the British had limited immigration to Palestine due to all the terror and war the Zionists were fomenting there in then-Palestine.But that’s besides the point, as he mentioned.
There is no question that the Arab hatred of Jews – believing the Zionist Big Lie that Zionism represents Judaism – has increased dramatically since the Zionists invaded the holy land over a century ago. Rabbi Dr. Soloveichik himself admitted as much in writing, not that you need his word for it given the plain facts on the ground, including the Chevron Massacre (and Holocaust) which was caused by that same “curse” – as Rav Gifter put it – of Zionism.
No, that obviously doesn’t excuse the savage murderers who committed those atrocities against Jews. But, by way of illustration, only a fool would start up with a rabid dog; only the evil Zionists would intentionally inflame the entire world and especially the Middle East just to get their shmad “State” so that the Zionists could become “normal” because they were not accepted as gentiles by the gentiles and, on top of that, lobby governments against allowing in Jews to their countries from Europe during WW II.
On another level, Islamic “nationalism” in then-Palestine also would not have happened if not for Zionism, as they used to call themselves “Syrians”. So, even if their goal is indeed world domination, which is possible, they would have had to fight world christendom to do that, not endless wars with Zionists that have cost rivers of Jewish blood for no good reason at all.
The right option is to follow the Torah, and with Hashem’s help, see the best results.
Before the Holocaust occurred, the Chofetz Chaim noted that as long as we followed the Torah and its sages, we did fine. Only once new “Jewish leaders” arose and people began following them instead of the Torah and its sages, did problems begin, and he then stated who knows how far this will go, or something to that effect.
We just read VaYishlach, in which Yaakov Avinu taught us how to navigate galus. Whenever Rabbeinu HaKadosh would go to Rome, he would always learn that parsha first.
That’s the only way: following the Torah.
paktype:
Please consult ASAP with a competent LOR.@GadolHadofi:
They aren’t my buddies. I don’t need to call out what they do, as their misguided approach is an issue between them and G-d. Unlike the Zionists, they mean well, and are performing a service for Klal Yisrael to let the world know that Jews are not responsible for anything the Zionists do or don’t do. By that standard, though, we’re all still waiting for you and all Zionist idolaters to call out all the Zionists for all the evil they do, like impoverishing our brethren there for not agreeing to be shmaded in their army, etc. which of course never happens. Please don’t be silly, despite your screen name being what it is.
@simcha613:
You don’t think so? Have you asked them? Have you read any of Rabbi Kook’s works? Any of his son’s works? Any of his students and their students?
No, I’m not at all setting up a straw man; have you ever read any of the chazals that discuss the geulah? Anything from the Satmar Rav who writes extensively on this with no dissenting opinions this? Like, for example, how the geulah will be by Hashem, not by basar vaDam, because anything by basar vaDam doesn’t have permanence, and this geulah will be permanent.As to your quotes, they are dependent on the ggedulah, of course. For example, “viKabtzeinu yachad…” is part of the bracha that begins “Teka biShofar gadol liCheiruseinu…” which clearly discusses the geulah, including, specifically that shofar of Mashiach. How could you possibly rip out of context “viKabtzeinu yachad…” to be not dependent on that “shofar”? In other words, we are asking to be redeemed and then to be gathered into the holy land as part of that redemption. That isn’t very complicated.
Regarding Bentching and thanking Hashem for the land, even though He has expelled us from that land, we do still need to thank Him for “having given to our forefathers a desirable land, good and expansive…”, and “for having redeemed us from Egypt…”
Please consult with a competent (non-Zionist) LOR.
simcha613:
That story isn’t relevant here.
No, we don’t pray for Hashem to simply return us to our homeland; we pray for the redemption.
No, we are not being at all hypocritical in our prayers; it is actually the Zionists who are corrupting the same, of course.
For example, in viLiYerushalyim that we pray thrice daily, we ask G-d to return there with mercy and to dwell there as he stated and to build it speedily in our days a forever building and to establish the throne of David there speedily. None of that has any relevance to the Zionist abomination.GadolHadofi:
So, you’re also accusing falsely, all throughout your post. Wow.“re the medina : that ALTHOUGH THE MEDINA WAS A POSITIVE DEVELOPMENT FOR THE MANY PLEITIM AFTER THE WAR , who were left without a roof ”
No way the Brisker Rav ever stated that. Something (as in most of it) must have been lost in translation.RightJew:
Let’s rewrite that to reflect reality.
“Pro-Zionism” rantings of “Religious Zionists” serve to sanitize the great evils and Jew-hatred promoted by their idol.
“Pro-Zionism” Jew haters exploit their idolatry of Zionism to legitimize Zionist shmad and persecution of our fellow Jews under their jackboot.yankel berel:
It’s actually the opposite. The “ostritch” mode would be more like what you did: ignore every gadol who clearly held not like that, and ignore the Torah that clearly holds not like that, and latch unto a statement he made when he was clearly emotional.Would you really like it spelled out, and anger all the Zionist idolaters? Go ahead and point out where and how the Torah could possibly hold that a godless atheist who could have been violating all three of the gimmel chamuros shortly before he was killed could possibly be considered harugei lud. Please don’t be ridiculous.
Eva LiMoshav Lo:
In addition to UJM’s point, which means that you should take your wonderment to your LOR to get what is therefore an obvious answer given that, you are also conflating two very different things: geulah and the subsequent return to E”Y with Mashiach versus the Zionist invasion of E”Y and the cataclysmic mess that resulted (which they knew would happen but didn’t care).Hashem told us that Eliyahu haNavi will come to announce the geulah. That hasn’t happened yet, as of this writing.
What has happened instead is, as Rav Elchonon Wasserman called it, “galus under the yevsektzia”, which is “the worst galus of all”.Chacham adif miNavi.
Yaakov Yosef A:
Of places with significant (even minority) Jewish populations, not desert islands and not places with mere remnants of the same thanks to Zionist agitation and/or other reasons: as stated and as is obvious to all, the “West Bank” (if you want to exclude its periphery, then that’s fine, but doesn’t matter either way) is by far the most dangerous for Jews.Yankel Berel:
That one line that he printed was an emotional cry, not a serious point of halacha. Obviously, according to everybody – RCS included -, they are not like harugei lud. Please follow the Torah and its values and don’t be ridiculous.ZSK:
As mentioned, you continue to lie and accuse falsely. But if by “Am Yisrael”, you mean the pseudo-nation invented by the Zionists then, yes, most of us here are not part of that pseudo-nation.@SQUARE_ROOT:
You should be banned from posting (especially nonsense but, regardless) anything until you apologize for calling Jews Hamas agents and the like.@SQUARE_ROOT
You should be banned from posting (even if it weren’t nonsense) until you apologize to those you falsely accused on this site.@SQUARE_ROOT:
As mentioned in the other post you spammed with these vile curses against your fellow Jews (including members of these boards), you should beg forgiveness from those Jews that you cursed. You should be banned from posting anything else to these boards.@yankel berel
Even those who did not consider him a rasha, kofer or the like, still very much did consider his works to be totally against the Torah.
The Chazon Ish banned the sale of his books.
The Gerrer Rebbe stated that Rabbi Kook was “omer al tamei tahor”, and that was after Rabbi Kook gave him a letter (later retracted) that claimed he was retracting his problematic views.
And on…@SQUARE_ROOT
You should be banned from posting anything until you apologize to those you falsely accused of being Hamas or Iranian agents or whatever exact stupidity it was.SQUARE_ROOT:
As previously mentioned, you should be banned from commenting further until you apologize to those you falsely accused of being Hamas agents and the like.@ZSK:
Zionist soldiers are indeed “their” soldiers. They are soldiers of the Zionist army, which is a foreign entity. That’s not at all complicated.
And, yes, you lied and also accused falsely.