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First of all the mitzva of yishuv E”Y today is, at most, optional, or not in force at all.
Regardless, there were many religious Jews who attempted to NON-politically live there, and the locals had no problems with that – unlike the invading Zionists.Yes, of course the Zionist invasion was exactly that. The religious Jews in E”Y begged them to leave and also told the UN that they were a separate community not under control of the invading Zionists. The Zionists fought against both the British and the Arabs well before 1948 – all against the wishes of the religious Jews there, as mentioned.
Zionism is, of course, an idol and its ideology is, of course, heresy, as per all the gedolim. People prayed for the founding of the “State” and success of this idol. Obviously I did not write that Hashem accepted prayers to idols; He accepted prayers TO HIM for the BENEFIT of that idol.
No gedolim “felt otherwise” against the Brisker Rav.
It’s really not very difficult to comprehend these simple facts, and no debate is necessary.
Please consult with your LOR. Presumably, you could find a real one in Jerusalem of all places.Then again, with this last quote, I wonder if you are even serious:
““In fact, both the Satmar Rav and Brisker Rav stated that Mashiach (i.e., the redemption) would have come back then – as in for sure would have come – if not for the founding of that “State” happening instead.”
Doesn’t go against Chazal and the Rambam who condemn those who calculate the End?”No, not at all. They simply noted that it would have happened then; not that they “calculated” in advance when it would happen, but rather that it would have happened then.
Please urgently consult with an LOR.
@nevuah:
Every gadol stated that it is idolatry and heresy, both of which are very much against the Torah. Please ask your LOR.
@Chaim87:
There are three possibilities there.
1. You didn’t remotely ask the right question.
2. You didn’t remotely understand his answer.
3. Much less likely, he simply made a mistake.If you would quote precisely the words of your question and the words of his answer then that might indicate which of the above three it is.
It’s that simple. My humble hunch is a combination of #1 and #2, if I had to guess.
@GadolHadofi
Still foaming at the mouth, and accusing falsely. Please stop.@mdd1:
You’re essentially claiming that, for example, Haman would get credit for Hashem saving all the Jews in the Purim story. After all, he was the one who caused them to do teshuva. Clearly, that’s not what migalgilin zechus al yesdei zakai means because, in part, we explicitly curse Haman each year.Same idea with this idol and the redemption.
@Chaim87:
It certainly is halacha, including examples you mentioned (true or otherwise), though proper hashkafa is also a Torah requirement, not just a theoretically nice thing.
Of course, staying far away from Zionist idolatry – as opposed to promoting it with nebulous stories from 70 years ago – is pretty basic Torah, but that’s besides the point.@DaMoshe:
Interesting. You are claiming that the Holocaust was, or at least could have been, a necessary prerequisite of the redemption – with zero Torah authority to back that up – while claiming that it is I who have “hate-filled beliefs”. You are accusing falsely, as others have done in the past.To the point:
Hashem is a Rachum viChanun and wants to do only good. And His ways are darchei noam. And we know that Hashem runs Klal Yisrael in general on sichar viOnesh. So, for those and many other reasons, it makes zero sense that He would design the redemption to require that horror. Ask an Orthodox LOR before assuming something that tragic was required “just because” – that’s obviously not possibly true. The question then becomes why that horror did happen, and the gedolim have given answers for that – answers that idolaters happen not to like for various reasons.And even if one wanted to ignore all that and claim that there is no possible known “reason” for the Holocaust, it would still be absurd to claim that the Holocaust was just another checklist item for redemption.
And if one were honest, even if one might have made that mistake (of thinking that the Holocaust was “required”) close to a century ago, one would acknowledge that it is clearly illogical to make that mistake now a century later. By that “logic”, you could also claim that all the pogroms and inquisition and all that were also requirements of redemption. Once you’re going back a century, what’s another few centuries?
So, to restate your own advice – to yourself, please don’t make things up, especially when that contradicts the Torah.
@nevuah
Not at all.First of all, by that logic, the Holocaust, with all its horrors, was also “necessary” for the redemption. Obviously, it was not.
Hashem had other reasons for that happening (and gedolim predicted that terrible things were going to happen then), but, to enable Mashiach coming, Hashem certainly didn’t need to bring a Holocaust, with all its horrors.As well, the reason the “State” did actually come into being is, as the gedolim (including the Brisker Rav and Satmar Rav) noted: that people back then were fooled (by the satan) into praying for this idol “State” to happen instead of praying for Mashiach. Hashem’s response to those prayers was to accept them and to give them what they requested: the idol “State”.
Chaim87:
Why not ask your LOR instead?
“RightJew” wrote:
“But one could say that the very dangerous and necessary first step in the geulah process, i.e. conquest of Eretz Yisrael, was accomplished by these secular Zionists with the help of Hashem. ”No, one cannot say that, because, in part, migalgilin zechus al yedai zakai… not via heretics who perpetrated a massive historical rebellion against G-d (and destruction of Judaism never seen before and still ongoing R”L L”A). The Brisker Rav stated that the “State” they have managed to achieve is the greatest triumph of the satan since the golden calf. Obviously, no, that founding was not the “first step” in the redemption.
Of course, there were religious Jews who preceded the Zionists’ invasion, and those Jews came to the holy land for purely non-political reasons and not at all rebelling against G-d. Those could possibly have been a helpful backdrop, so to speak. In fact, both the Satmar Rav and Brisker Rav stated that Mashiach (i.e., the redemption) would have come back then – as in for sure would have come – if not for the founding of that “State” happening instead.
AAQ:
It is the idolater that are dishonest. No, there is no dissenting rabbinical opinion, certainly not on the level of Rav Elchonon, the Brisker Rav, the Chazon Ish, the Imrei Emes and the rest.Only an idolater could try to claim there is any rabbinical permit to that (or any other) idol which has as its goal the destruction of the Torah and replacement of Judaism with Zionism. That should be obvious even in theory, but is all the more obvious if you simply follow the news and the cataclysmic damage the heretics have done to Judaism and Jews.
@SQUARE_ROOT
With all due respect, it is the Zionist idolaters, including those who quote nebulous Artscroll quotes from 70 years ago, that are “disconnected from reality”.Zionist shmad is very real, and it is idolatry and heresy, as all the gedolim noted.
As you quoted, “You can ignore reality, but you cannot ignore the consequences of ignoring reality.”@qwerty613:
It is you and your idol that are the definition of “sonei yisrael”. The Torah is the life-force of Jews, and your idol has been trying to destroy the Torah for over a century.The Brisker Rav stated that he (and everyone) prays thrice daily for the (peaceful) elimination of the idol, which is the viLaMalshinim prayer in 18. If you have a problem with that, you can take it up with him.
Your “examination” and calling others “nazis” is beyond absurd (and perhaps somewhat of a projection, but only Hashem knows).
Just drop the idol already and stop falsely accusing people and writing nonsense. Just acknowledge that the only power is Hashem and that He does not need anything to help Him and His children, not even your idol.
Rav Chaim Brisker noted decades before the Zionists achieved their “State” that the reason the Zionists needed a State is in order to shmad, not that the reason they were shmading pre-“State” was in order to get a “State”.
History has shown how clearly right he (and the Satmar Rav) and all the others were about that.
@Always_Ask_Questions:
“Not sure what this means”
You do. It’s not very complicated. The Jews lived peacefully with the Arabs both under Arab rule and in the holy land (yes, there was the occasional disturbance every couple of decades or so; no, it wasn’t gan eden, but it was far better than under Christian rule at the time and incomparably better than under the heretics now).Rabbi Dr. Soloveichik noted the obvious reality that the rise in Arab hatred towards Jews (mistakenly considering them all Zionists) since the advent of Zionism around a century ago was due to….wait for it….Zionism (particularly their “State”). Wow. What a concept.
“two ideas:
1) it is entirely possible that two things hold true: 1.1) foundation of Israel is a great thing…”In the Jewish religion, that isn’t at all possible. The founding of the “State” was a violation of the entire Torah (as per the Brisker Rav) and obviously of the Oaths (which the idolaters have obviously never managed to explain away). It also has shmaded untold numbers of Jews and on and on and on. It also prevented (and is preventing, according to some) Mashiach from coming. And on and on.
Since then, the disaster for Jews that is that idol has grown infinitely worse.
For example, back then, the yeshiva students at least had some legal framework to remain Jews and learn in yeshiva, unlike now.
Since then, the heretics have shmaded multiple generations of Jews, probably numbering in the millions.But you know all this and, unlike your projection accusation (false as always), you wish to worship the idol.
@qwerty613:
However G-d chooses to handle putting an end to the nightmare of that idol without the loss of any Jewish life at all.
@simcha613:
People also believe in trees and cows. They are worshiping idols. Same here.
It was very much non-miraculous, and monumental in only the opposite way: as in the greatest triumph of the satan since the sin of the golden calf, as per the Brisker Rav.Again, as Rav Elchonon and the others put it, Zionism is idolatry and “Religious Zionism” is idolatry and religion together. That is the reality. Should we pity a brainwashed “Religious Zionist” due to that brainwashing and not hate them? Of course; nobody suggested otherwise. But the Torah cannot be adulterated.
In case it still isn’t clear, what would your reaction be if someone tried to claim that the reason that Easter Sunday falls out on Pesach is whatever? The answer is that Easter Sunday is not relevant to my religion, so the question simply doesn’t start. Same here.
@DaMoshe:
“HaKatan asks if there would be anti-semitism if Israel didn’t exist…It’s a halacha that Esav sonei es Yaakov. Anti-semitism will always exist, until Mashiach comes. It has nothing to do with Israel, or anything else…”That’s obviously absurd. Of course it has everything to do with the idol.
The root cause of antisemitism is assimilation, which is just as “yadua” as “ESL”.
Zionism and its “State” is the ultimate assimilation.
So that’s on a Torah/reality level.Practically, we have seen endless news reports of Jews worldwide being hurt ch”V in response to some military or other action taken by the idol. Even Rabbi Dr. Soloveichik, way back, admitted that the Arab hate was due to the “State”.
Of course ESL very much has to do with the idol.
But we all know that your idolatry, “Religious Zionism” is idolatry and heresy according to all the gedolim. So your little projection is sad. Repent and leave the idol!
@simcha613:
The Zionists – even “religious” ones – celebrate and party on that invented “holiday” despite it falling out during sefirah.
The Chazon Ish stated that the day should really be a Tish’ah BiAv.
@qwerty613:
No frum Jews – not even NK – have ever advocated for the death of the Jews in the Zionist paradise. Your comment is disgraceful.“If there was an israel in 1939 there would not have been a Holocaust.”
Have you read any actual literature, including from gedolim and tzaddikim like Rav MB Weissmandl?“With the horrible antisemitism getting worse day-by-day, be thankful that there is an Israel to go to today just in case…”
Did it occur to you that there would not have been that antisemitism?For example, there was a story today about some British savage who harassed an innocent Jew at work asking the Jew if he killed babies in Gaza. That is an obvious association of that Jew with Israel.
And on and on.
This quote from RSFM is obviously motzi shem ra against RSFM because we are not “commanded to keep far away from hatred of our fellow Jews” if those Jews are not biChlal amisecha.
Regardless, Artscroll biographies are not a source of daas Torah, though they do have some nice material, B”H.
Artscroll biographies are very nice, but not exactly a source of daas Torah.
The bottom line (whether or not they should have also known this 75 years ago) is that the “State” has caused tremendous damage to Jews and Judaism.This is YWN, not “Religious Zionist”/idolater news.
Why would you post such an offensive question here?1. As the Brisker Rav put it, “the “State” they have managed to achieve is the greatest triumph of the satan since the cheit haEiegel”, and explicitly wrote that Mashiach would have come had people prayed for that instead of for this “State”. That’s obviously cause for great celebration.
2. Observing sefirah mourning as per chazal rather than trampling it like the idolaters do.
3. People have work to do.“…it is the Torah Jews in Israel who refuse to vote and the Torah Jews of the world who refuse to move to Israel and vote who are responsible for the continued secular rule in the state of Israel. ”
That’s a very interesting “blame the victim” approach you have. Jews are at fault for the hurt against Jews by anti-Jewish heretics claiming to be Jewish because those Jews didn’t move to what is statistically the least safest place on the planet for Jews to attempt to politically influence the policies. Of course, you won’t blame the heretics for hurting Jews even as they claim to represent Jews and won’t acknowledge that there is no way the heretics would allow their ideology to be replaced by Judaism because that is their entire ideology: Zionism is intended to replace Judaism.
This is the idolatry of Zionism. Idolatry is not rational, and this is unfortunately yet another example of how irrational idolatry is.
@chaim_baruch:
Hashem certainly has His own time-table, but as all the gedolim wrote, a century of shmad of His children was definitely not in His plans. In fact, both the Brisker and Satmar Rabbanim stated that Moshiach would have – not could have, but would have – come in 1948 had people not instead prayed for that idol “State”.It is also absurd to suggest that they somehow “found religion” when their entire ideology is to replace Judaism with their Nationalism, and that they have made illegitimate every single Torah learner subject to their army draft, and have been taking those boys from their beds in the middle of the night, and on and on and on.
@besalel:
He was entirely right, that the shmad the Zionists unleashed on Klal Yisrael is unimaginable. The Brisker Rav published, and the Gerrer Rebbe and others signed on that the “Religious Zionist” education is “a sea of heresy mixed in with a drop of Torah”. And the “Religious” ones are the most fanatical Zionists. The massive spreading world-wide of Zionist heresy and idolatry – from little bits of it to large oceans of it – has unfortunately indeed happened.@The little I know:
וַתְּכַחֵ֨שׁ שָׂרָ֧ה ׀ לֵאמֹ֛ר לֹ֥א צָחַ֖קְתִּי כִּ֣י ׀ יָרֵ֑אָה וַיֹּ֥אמֶֽר ׀ לֹ֖א כִּ֥י צָחָֽקְתְּ׃The Bechor Shor states explicitly that the latter statement there was spoken by Avraham, as @LuckyStrike noted.
“הגיע הזמן שבכל פעם שמזכירים חיילם ישראליים יזכירו את לומדי התורה”
One has nothing to do with the other, of course.The Torah learners are the ones upon whom the entire world rests. LiHavdil, that army’s soldiers (like everyone else other than Torah learners and secondarily those who follow G-d and do mitzvos) are, at best, “cogs in the wheel”. The Torah learners are the engine powering that “wheel”.
The Brisker Rav pointed out that the only thing that benefits Klal Yisrael is Torah and mitzvos. If their soldiers in that army are made to sin in any way, but especially in big ways, then that hurts Jews, no matter how mighty are the soldiers’ weapons.
@sensibleyid
It’s not very sensible to think you know better than every gadol (including Rav Steinman) over the past century. Being inducted into that army means being shmaded, including all three of the gimmel chamuros and more.@Kuvult:
The antidote to antisemitism is not assimilating.
Being normal could certainly prevent non-antisemitic hate or annoyance, though.The big difference between a menorah and liHavdil that tree is that the menorah is simply a lantern that happens to be used on Chanukah, while that tree has inherent religious (idolatrous) symbolism.
So, regarding your story, from a secular perspective (which is what you mentioned), there is nothing wrong with giving out a menorah to color. If giving out to the class sheets of color-in menorah would have made the student feel welcome in their class, then that’s a theoretically reasonable idea on the mother’s part. But that does not extent to crying antisemitism if the teacher or school decline that, as there could be many perfectly valid reasons for them to decline that.
From a religious perspective, meaning the truth, though, a Jew does not belong as a student in a class of gentiles. That’s the real problem. Second to that, the Jew should not be “making waves”, even if the idea is “normal”.
“Your Local Misnagid”:
No, it is not exaggerated despite your alleged few friends that are allegedly still religious.
And no real “talmidei chachamim” ever supported it, of course, including Rav Steinman.First of all, the numbers are what they are, and, more importantly, the intentional shmad of that army is what it is.
Second, you don’t know what damage to their emunah was done to them in that army even if they still appear outwardly frum.
Emunah must be 100%, not tainted by nationalism or any other idolatry@rescue
“Hakatan. _reality_ determines morality as it is the fabric of creation. Whether God looked into the Torah and created the world doesn’t contradict that morality is still the fabric of reality. The Torah and reality are a complement of the other not a contradiction”No. Not in Judaism, anyways.
G-d created the world based on what the Torah requires. In other words, the relevant portions of the Torah are the “blueprint” of creation.
But that obviously doesn’t mean that the world (or “reality”, as you put it) therefore contains everything in the Torah. Therefore, it also does not mean that Torah and reality are a complement of each other. Reality is a reflection of the relevant portions of the Torah.Morality, like all else, is derived from the Torah, not from the world.
“If I wasn’t Jewish, I’d also have a problem with the fact that many Jews in America vote strictly out of self-interest for “Jews first.” There’s a loyalty to Israel and the tribe that often comes before America, and let’s be honest, that is un-American. I never even recognized this in myself before because I was taught that anyone saying it was just a bigot. I thought that line of thinking was “prohibited.” But why is it hateful? It’s not. It’s a reasonable observation.”
Not even a century ago, Jews were murdered by the millions. Therefore, Jews are very concerned with doing what they can do in the voting booth to prevent a recurrence of that mass-murder and anything remotely like it. That is not at all “un-American”. Jews are among the most loyal citizens of any country in which they reside because, in part, they have a religious imperative (in Jeremiah) to seek out the peace of the land in which they reside. Every gentile can read this in, liHavdil, their bible, too. Especially in this country, which Rav Moshe called a medinah shel chessed, Jews are very grateful to the government for the ability to live our lives as Torah Jews.
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“Look at the Chareidim in Israel. The status quo there is low employment, and the excuse is always “religious reasons.” But if you call that out, you’re branded as “anti-religion” or a “Tzioni”. The truth is, that “religious” excuse is a lie. It’s not a requirement to be unemployed.”
Yes, it is a requirement there, because the wicked Zionists insist the chareidim be shmaded in their army before allowing the chareidim to work. That’s why the chareidim cannot work – because the wicked Zionists impoverish them in an attempt to shmad them in their army to convert them from Jew to Zionist.
@rescue
“Morality is defined by _reality_ . The Torah just codifies it. That’s why it’s very important to filter all beliefs systems with what exists in reality cuz if reality shows it’s not true then the belief system isn’t true either. The two are connected cuz they are a mirror of each other. Not the other way around ”You have it backwards.
G-d looked at the Torah (which He wrote, of course) and then created the world based on what’s in the Torah.
Morality, like everything else, is determined by the Torah.——
“Not to make us into complete copy robots of one another and take away our individuality”
This happens to be true, because we each have different social setups in this world, so, for example, a kiruv rabbi’s job will be different than that of a college student.@rescue
“That means I can think for myself and make choices based off my own thinking and make choices outside any control system _i_ choose cuz that’s a god given right”Your free will does not in any way change what is right and wrong. That has nothing to do with a strait-jacket and any state of fear and “control system” and whatever else you wrote there. Your G-d-given “right”, as you put it, is to make your best assessment as to what G-d wants – not what you want – and also to G-d forbid violate His will if you choose to do that. But G-d did not give anyone the right to create their own Torah.
Pirkei Avos tells us “asei licha rav” – find for yourself a Torah authority who can properly guide and advise you. In your case, that might be a rebbetzin, if the writing style, etc. are what they seem to be. No strait-jackets. Just your well-advised best efforts to do G-d’s will.
VayidomAharon:
Those heretics stole that name – Tzion – from our Torah.
The gentiles happen to also know of that word from their “Bible”.None of that disqualifies a Jew from using that word. Tzion is part of G-d’s holy language, meaning that it is for Jews.
The implication of your post, though, is backwards. The Nazis got at least some of their propaganda from the early Zionists. For example, look up the origins of “A Jew’s life is a dog’s life” and the offensive and antisemitic and patently false canard “Jews cannot be loyal citizens of their host countries” and much more. That last one is a real doozy, especially from a movement that claims to be all about protecting Jews (regardless of the merit or lack thereof of that assertion).
So, regardless of the merits of your claims against either gentile you mentioned, it’s actually the other way around, as noted.
Chas viShalom!
“Mizrachi” means “Religious Zionist”, NOT general Sephardic Jewry.The greatest Torah sages of the past century have clearly ruled that “Religious Zionism” is idolatry and heresy, including Rav Elchonon Wasserman, the Brisker Rav and more. You’re welcome to disagree with them, but that is out of place on a site with the name “Yeshiva”.
That must be the source of your quote, which otherwise doesn’t sound familiar.
While on the topic, though, you still haven’t apologized for cursing Jews.
Once again, @SQUARE_ROOT nauseatingly spouts his love of the Zionist idol and criticizes G-d-fearing Jews (NK) because they publicly deny his idol and also misses the point despite the multiple posts by ujm and others explaining. Amazing how idolatry destroys rationality.
English would have been an excellent choice, especially because that was the language of the Mandate there at the time, and already was an international language. The only reason the heretics bastardized and denigrated our holy language with their creation of “Modern Hebrew” is for heretical nationalist purposes.
It is the Zionists, not anti-Zionists, that were rodfim, as they have amply written and shown throughout their odious history going back over a century.
It is also the Zionists, not anti-Zionists, who have amply proven their VERY LOW opinion of Sephardic Jews, like Yaldei Teiman and all the rest.Kol HaPosel biMumo Posel.
The point is to keep the holy tongue exactly that: holy, and to use a different language for mundane day-to-day speech. Yiddish could work for that, of course, though a yeshivish English would probably be the modern equivalent and also not have the baggage of speaking a similar language to that which the Nazi murderers spoke.
Let’s rewrite @SQUARE_ROOT’s Zionist heresy to be more in line with reality.
Every member of the Neturei Karta
is to be praised for at least attempting to save Jews from persistent, long-term anti-Semitism caused by Zionism.NK is attempting to save Jews from the anti-Semitism caused by Zionism, including Hamas and Hezbollah and the Ayatollahs of Iran,
who want to commit GENOCIDE against ALL JEWS, including children and babies!@rescue:
The only cause of antisemitism is assimilation, not when one is honest in all one’s dealings – including getting on welfare if one qualifies for that, may Hashem please help them.The greatest specific cause of antisemitism – by far – wasn’t at all mentioned in your post, but it can remain unmentioned.
@n0mesorah:
1. At times, it is halachically appropriate to protest, of course. There are also practical reasons to protest, which were mentioned earlier in this thread.
No, it’s not just so that they should “think better” of us. It’s so that they should know better than to attempt to harm any Jew due to any problem they might have with Zionism or its “State”.2. The goal is not to get anyone to “love” Jews. The goal is to get them to not wrongly judge Jews based on anything the Zionists do or don’t do. Yes, if any goy chooses to hate Jews then he could make that choice; but the goal, again, is that he should not be making that choice based on any problem he has with the Zionists and its “State”.
3. Any group can make any argument they want about wanting non-Jews to think better of us. But this is more basic, as mentioned numerous times: it’s to prevent non-Jews from wrongly thinking badly of us as a result of what the Zionists do or don’t do. We are not to be blamed for anything the Zionists do or don’t do. NK – by way of their protests, etc. – is simply informing the world of that basic fact that the Jews are not to be blamed for anything the Zionists do or don’t do. It’s stating very clearly that the Zionists obviously do not represent them and it is clear that they are Jews.
@jonnysmith:
You are mistaken in your assessment, as that is not my “mission”, but you’re welcome to contact me offline, if you’d like, rather than publicly personally criticize (and wrongly so).Nobody should be labeling clearly frum Jews – misguided (and harmless) as they may be – as “goyim”, “Muslims”, “terrorists” and the like, which was my objection to this OP.
@DaMoshe
Pathetic and not funny.
Since you mentioned it, though, while your heroes are the heretics and maskilim of the last 100 years, our heroes are the gedolei Torah from time immemorial.For anyone who happened to have read the latest rant from @GadolHadofi
It is actually the Zionists, not NK, that are analogous to Abba Sikra’s group, the baryonim. Both groups wrought unparalleled destruction to the Jews.It’s stunning that this idol so thoroughly corrupts its worshipers’ minds that one could compare NK to the Baryonim when it is so obviously the Zionists that are the baryonim while the NK is protesting exactly that.
NK could very possibly have saved lives by showing the world the truth that Jews are not responsible for anything the Zionists do. Or not. But to call them all sorts of unwarranted names while kissing and bowing to the idol is a stunning inversion of reality.
@n0mesorah
There was one point you made which perhaps should have been better addressed. Sorry I missed that:
You asked how their protests show the world that Jews should not be blamed for anything Zionists do. The answer, which I thought was obvious – but perhaps was not – is that when gentiles see Jews – clearly Jewish, too, not JINO – clearly protesting against whatever it is the Zionists do, that illustrates the obvious fact that at least some Jews do not agree with the Zionists; therefore, if a gentile has a problem with anything the Zionists do, he should address that to the Zionist idol itself, not to Jewish synagogues and the like which have nothing to do with Zionism.@RightJew
As mentioned, the Satmar Rav addresses this. Your refusal to consider that is not justification for claiming anybody is falsifying the Torah. While on the topic, though, Zionism is a complete denial of the Torah, and “Religious Zionism” is idolatry and religion “biShutfus” as per Rav Elchonon.NK obviously believes that attending this protest on Shabbos was the right thing to do, presumably because of pikuach nefesh.
As stated, you’re welcome to argue that with them or to post your opinion that it was not necessary, etc.
But not to call them goyim for doing what they consider to be perfectly permitted and, in fact, even required (pikuach nefesh).The only knot tied here seems to be your long rambling post.
@Duvidf
Let’s fix that:
The sad reality is that much of the Jewish people has been fooled by Zionist shmad including about “conquering the land” which is forbidden when in galus, including by the Ramban, as the Satmar Rav discusses. No Torah giant throughout the ages ever attempted to conquer the land because – even according to the Ramban, of course – it is forbidden to do so in galus. It might be an optional mitzvah to live there, but that’s about it.
@rightjew (and refuah sheleimah to @GadolHaDofi)
As posted above, the point the NK are obviously trying to make is that Jews are not responsible for anything the Zionists do, so gentiles should not harm Jews if they happen to have a problem with the latest of the forever Zionist wars. The NK obviously feels that marching in this manner is an effective way to convey that point. In other words, they are trying to help Jews.You’re welcome to disagree with the efficacy of that approach. But you’re not welcome to call them names.
(You should be thanking them for their efforts, as they could very possibly have saved Jewish lives by doing that. If even only one crazy guy saw that on TV or YT and then reconsidered his blaming all Jews for anything the Zionists did, then NK will have been successful in their efforts, despite that rabbanim would have told them not to do it.)
There is no rational reason to make absurd comparisons between working on Shabbos decades ago, on the one hand, versus walking around some plaza, on the other hand. And no reason to be motzi laaz on all those people who faced the pressure of feeding and housing their families.
You are entitled to your opinion on the efficacy of NK’s protests. So are they. But people are not entitled to call them “goyim” and other names as a result of their (biased and unknowing) opinions. People should be thanking them for showing the world the truth that Jews are not to be blamed for anything the Zionists do.
@GadolHadofi:
As usual, you are so busy foaming at the mouth against Jews that you didn’t bother to read the very first line I posted there.BL”N, until you post in a rational manner, and you apologize for speaking falsely against me, please do not expect any response other than Refuah sheleimah bimheirah.
@RightJew (wrong Zionist)
Anyone with a basic knowledge of halacha knows that pikuach nefesh is docheh the Shabbos.
NK is perfectly Jewish, though most if not all rabbis might not permit some of NK’s methods.
NK is certainly far more religious/closer to G-d than is any Zionist, as Zionism is literally idolatry and heresy and aims to destroy (and has already done much destruction of) Judaism and replace it with Zionism, while NK aims to save Jewish lives.
To fix the quote in your post, “The evidence has becoming overwhelming that [any Zionist – as opposed to an anti-Zionist – criticizing NK] has accepted [Zionism] as their god and prophet.aperson:
Even though the VP seems to be more isolationist than the President, the country still has interests in the region, and “Israel” is obviously one of those.I also disagree that “American support for the state of Israel is helpful for Jews around the world”, in part because Hashem actually runs His world – for real – not just in theory. I will refrain from further comment on this here, so as not to upset people.
You claim that “Tucker Carlson is an anti-Jew demagogue.” but you have zero proof of that, and indications are clear (from him) that he is not a Jew-hater, as mentioned in prior posts. You further claim that “Carlson…has an odd obsession with Jews and Israel”. Actually, he almost never talks about Jews, though he certainly does talk about Israel and its political relationship to this country.
@Shimon-Nodel:
No, it’s not at all like stating “someone absolutely loves black people just because he never said to destroy them”.He explicitly stated that hating Jews is wrong and should be condemned. As mentioned above, he explicitly called for �moral clarity� in condemning antisemitism, and the coverage emphasizes that he was speaking directly about �Jew hatred� and denouncing it in strong terms.
There isn’t anything at all antisemitic about that Carlson-Huckabee interview, and Mr. Carlson himself has numerous times spoken explicitly against antisemitism, has had an Orthodox Jew on his show in the past and stated on air that they also had dinner together and also stated recently that he has always gotten along well with Orthodox Jews and never had a problem with them.
Unless you’re trying to invent antisemitism where it clearly isn’t there?
@Shimon-Nodel:
So, you ignore the VP’s explicit statement condemning hatred of Jews and still assert that his presidency would be “dangerous…perhaps worse for Jews and Israel than even AOC”.Here is the source, from AI, probably mentioned on YWN at the time:
Daily Mail video interview (reported Feb 7, 2026):
In an interview with the Daily Mail, covered by The Jerusalem Post, Vance said:
�I think that there are certain things that we should have the moral clarity to condemn�I think Jew hatred is disgusting.�He explicitly called for �moral clarity� in condemning antisemitism, and the coverage emphasizes that he was speaking directly about �Jew hatred� and denouncing it in strong terms.
In other words, whether you realize it or not, your real concern is the idol, not Jews.
The VP is also on record stating publicly that hatred of Jews is “despicable” (his exact term).
Did Haman HaAgagi do that?
Also, Haman was from Amaleik and actually plotted to destroy the Jews, unlike this administration which has taken military action to help protect Jews.This is silly.