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Logician -“No Jew is lost. If necessary, there’s always the next gilgul (as pointed out by the Mishneh Berurah in Hilchos Yom Kippur).”

Acc. to a Sefer I saw -Gilgul is only for men. Women get one chance and that’s it.

Feif Un -“I keep asking for a clear, concise list. Instead of a list, all I get is more hatred spewed a me.”

The reason is simple that you get cursed out -I gave you a list, amongst others, but you keep denying that you ever got one.

Maybe you should splurge on a pair of reading glasses. You don’t need to see to type!

besalel -“health: it is not a crime to commit adultery and it is not a crime to be christian. i wish people did not commit any adultery and were not idol worshipers. especially other frum jews.”

Either on purpose or accidentaly you missed my point. I was not talking about forcing them to keep the 7 Mitzvos Bnai Noach. The fact that these Gay people already have certain rights and certain colleges push their sick philosophy on students in college is detrimental to us as Frum Jews. I know more than one case of going OTD because of their influence in today’s society. If they were back in the closet -I wouldn’t say to go find and prosecute them even though they (Goyim) have to acc. to Torah.

Either you don’t care about Yidden going off because of their influence or you are living in your own little vaccum. I hope it’s the latter because if it’s the former -you’ll have to answer why you didn’t care about other, including Frum ones, Jews.

As soon as s/o becomes numb about an issue -this is the turning point of where the Yetzer Horah has started to win. This is the way he operates -he tries to wear the opposing people down.

Just take a look at the arabs, not just the gays, have they ever stopped their propaganda against Israel and/or Jews? As long as they have been spouting their hatred -they have never wavered in their convictions. If anything they have become stronger. OTOH what happened to all the fervor that Freye Tzionim had? Not saying they are doing the right thing, but the ultimate goal of the Soton is to destroy Klal Yisroel. So he weakens them with their own convictions, even if their convictions were wrong in the first place.

The gays do the same thing they first weaken the Americans to not stopping them from being out of the closet and then they get more militant. Like influencing schools to teach about their way of life and they push the lib colleges to require woman studies which include learning about gay women living. And now it’s marriage they want -they already got the legal rights to raise kids. This sickness won’t stop, unless we or others put a stop to it!

646 -How about in a few years from now -some young adult writes how the gov. in this country took them away from their religion by forcing them to live with a parent whom is a Non-orthodox Jew?

In spite that a lot of courts, in the US, have insisted that kids have to keep the religion that they were brought up with, the liberal courts in NY & NJ can’t seem to practice this!

Feif Un -“Health: Again, instead of just spewing hatred, please list some of the lies she wrote about – and not the same old thing about the possible murder cover-up.”

I understand that you Feif -Un, but you look foolish when you Feif Un without reading other’s posts!

I posted three lies -one came from another poster about make up, another was about an interview that had to do with reading skills that they graduate with, and the third I found myself, which came from an excerpt. This was about Chinuch.

cherrybim -bim cherry-

“But to the complainers, you are a bunch of so called frum hypocrites who will be the first looking for an organ when you are desperate for life;”

If you don’t know the definition of hypocrisy -don’t use it! Didn’t you take Vocabulary in College? You must of gone to a college like me where Eng. 1 – the teacher didn’t hardly teach a word of Engish or writing. She spent most of the time spouting her sick liberal ideas/philosophy. Maybe this is why you don’t know what hypocrisy is, but you worship liberalism?!?!

“In my opinion, Jews have no right to complain about crime and killers going free if they do not serve and leave it up to the chalerias to make up the majority of jury panels. It’s mighty tough fighting a jury where the majority is those types; I know. It is pikiach nefesh.”

Oh, so I see, if Frum people didn’t get out of jury duties then most of the juries would be made up of Frum people, right?

I guess they don’t take juries made up of equal percent of the pop. -if they have Frum people in the jury pool -then they will take, to make up the majority of the jury, mostly Frum people?

Btw, in spite of the makeup of the juries in this country, by & far they do a good job. The problem is the liberal criminal laws that are in place in this country. The lack of death penalty laws in lots’ of states. The lack of timely punishments. A death row inmate should be allowed one appeal and that’s it. He/she shouldn’t be allowed to linger on & on! All states should have a “3 strikes and you’re out law”. And it shouldn’t matter what the three are unless one or all are traffic violations or things of equal nature. But something like shoplifting should be included. A shoplifter is a thief as much as s/o in Iowa who lied on two bank papers and got 37 years. If s/o shoplifts 3 times -then they should get life. Really, if the Goyim followed the Torah -after one time – he/she would be executed!

Now I know why D. Feldman and this lady from Lakewood dress the way they do -it’s a Purim Shpiel!

thecuriousone –

I’m just curious -curiousone -do you know the difference between s/o presenting something as fact or presenting it as opinion?

You just proved my post above and I’ll quote it –

“Maybe it was just my wishful thinking that these posters would finally shut up, but I know that will never happen.”

“According to her, that’s chinuch. That’s what she saw, and that’s what she experienced.

Now, for you to say it is an “outright lie” is wrong; you may think otherwise of chinuch (and you may even be correct!), but she is entitled to her opinion.”

She is entitled to her opinion, but she presented it as fact. Had she wrote -“Because of these people’s behavior I got the opinion that this is Chinuch” -this would be presenting it as opinion. She didn’t write that – she wrote -“This is chinuch, child rearing according to the Torah”. She presented it as fact. Since her fact is totally not true -a lie in other words -she is a proven liar.

What purpose do you get by defending her when she clearly lied and defined a Mitzva in the Torah that is definitely not its’ meaning? In other words what’s your agenda?

I’m pretty sure they don’t reuse them once you leave – open or not -so it’s considered Hefker since it’s going into the trash.

To the defenders of this low-life, fame-seeking loser –

I honestly don’t know why I did this because I actually wasted my time going to S & S website and reading some of her trashy book. Perhaps I just wanted to prove to myself that inmates are running the asylum. Unfortunately there are posters here that love when s/o puts down Chasidim and/or Frum people.

Maybe it was just my wishful thinking that these posters would finally shut up, but I know that will never happen.

This is like going to a Neo-Nazi site and saying the “Protocols of the Elders of Zion” is a total fiction. Noone is interested in the truth. Neither are the Charedi bashers here interested in the truth!

Anyway here is part of the excerpt:

“All my aunts and uncles are hard on their children, it seems to me. They berate them, embarrass them, and yell at them. This is chinuch, child rearing according to the Torah.”

Notice I didn’t quote the whole paragraph where she constantly bashes her family -perhaps her description is true? Perhaps in her family the description how they raise kids is accurate?

But the line I quoted is “This is chinuch, child rearing according to the Torah”. Maybe some people raise kids like this but to say -“This is chinuch, child rearing according to the Torah”, is an outright lie. No one can claim this is the definition of Chinuch, even if some hold you are allowed to raise kids like this.

I didn’t have to go too far to find this lie. I’m sure there are many more. I really think the people here defending her should take a good hard look in the mirror and ask themselves -“What does being a Jew really mean?”

oomis1105 -“The “new attitude” is not the problem. Women who want to marry other women (and men who want to be with men) are who they are, irrespective of women’s lib and “new attitudes.” You could not be implying there were no gay people 3,000 years ago – because apparently Hashem thought it potentially was enough of a problem, to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah, and to give us halachos against these practices.”

While you are correct that this isn’t a new problem in the world, you are very much mistaken about this being an old problem in the Western world. Not that long ago these people holed up in a closet. If you care about this country turning into a S’dom – you’d understand what my point is. The fact of this militant feminism has caused lots of people to go to this way of life. I know s/o (lady) who was Frum and was first exposed to Feminism – as a course requirement in a liberal run college. This was her first exposure to militant feminism and her subsequent decline to becoming a Toevanik and abandoning her Frumkeit.

This isn’t the only case. So if s/o cares not just about how Goyim are rebeling against Hashem, but how they are influencing people from the Frum community to follow their sick ways, they would be as adament against Militant Feminism as I am! Since I believe this is the root cause of the Toieava movement here in the US, not that it was the cause anywhere else like in S’dom!

000646 -“Health,

The 4th grade education thing is not mentioned in the book. She said it in an interview.”

So the fact that she only lies in public interviews and repeats false rumors that even Anti-Frum publications like the Jewish week claim are false, are irrevelant – such a person would never lie in her book?

“Would you mind pointing out which facts in her book are not true?”

From the poster below:

“They were discussing the truthfullness of what she said and a teacher who had taught with her said:

In her book she said she never wore makeup until her wedding. But I taught with her when she was single, and she wore makeup every single day.”

“Can you explain how you know her book is “full of falsehoods” if you have not read it?”

I never said “I know”. Don’t put words in my mouth! I’ll repeat what I posted -“If I’d want to waste my time and read her trash -I’m sure I’d find many falsehoods!”

“Or do you just assume anything that writes something negative about your way of life is false?”

Actually I don’t assume anything in life. I look at things as much as humanly possible in an objective way.

It’s obvious you can’t!

I’ll repeat what I posted above:

“For you to keep posting how accurate her book is, even though it’s quite obviously just another antisemitic book, you must have an agenda. What is it? Do you hate all Frum Jews or just Satmar?”

Every piece of mag trash out there has some truth. The Enquirer nowadays has lots of true statements -that’s because they kept getting sued until they learned their lesson. As matter of fact people say that in every lie there has to be some truth. IMHO, there are more true statements in the Enquirer, the Star, the Globe, etc. than probably in her book. So the fact that her book is selling like hot cakes -means to me that the same people who buy these supermarket trash mags are now buying a book.

And if you tell me -there are some intelligent people buying this book who would never buy these trash mags -then they must be buying it because they are virile antisemities!

000646 -“The same cannot be said for Feldman’s Memoir as much as you may disagree with her viewpoints on things (such as taharas hamishpacha etc.) her facts are accurate.”

I’m just curious but are you non-religious or a MO with Frei leanings? I didn’t read the book so I can’t point out All inaccuracies, but just from what is posted above; do you really believe all Satmar High School girls graduate with a “reading level of a 4th grader”? I’m sure there are some, but probably the most have a higher level than the 4th grade. This sounds more like an inner city public school and even there I’d say most are on a higher level than 4th grade.

For you to keep posting how accurate her book is, even though it’s quite obviously just another antisemitic book, you must have an agenda. What is it? Do you hate all Frum Jews or just Satmar?

If I’d want to waste my time and read her trash -I’m sure I’d find many falsehoods!

cantgetit -“With women taken out of the home in the last century, with this phenomina escalating in more recent decades, have women and families benefited? Most certainly not! Children are missing mothers, divorce has increased tremendously, and all other sorts of social ills have beset families.”

What in the world does this have to do with voting? Women’s lib maybe, but not voting.

Avi K -“Health, according to Yechezkel the US. Or they could miss slightly and hit Ramallah.”

If you’re talking about the Novi -quote the Pasuk.

“Both of you are over on hotzaat dibat haAretz and the Chetr HaMeraglim.”

And you’re Oiver Megaleh Ponim B’torah Shelo K’halacha.

Even not like the Satmar Rebbe who said it’s better to live in Chutz L’aaretz, the Poskim barely Mattired living in EY during a time of Sakana -it’s definitely not a Chiyuv!

Feif Un -“Do you honestly think that if Turkey was running it things would be better?”

Yes, I do.

“When lands were turned over to Palestinians, with assurances that holy sites would be preserved, look what happened! Nothing was preserved. Kever Yosef was ransacked and destroyed.”

Another brilliant idea by the Freye Tzionim to give them Gaza and the West Bank!

First of all, there is no such thing as a Palestinian (In reference to arabs) – they are Arabs! Why would you trust an arab? The Tzionim have been stoking their hatred for close to a hundred years now. (Around the time when Zionism was starting to expand to Palestine.)

We better hurry up and give it to Turkey because Israel has just become their enemy too. So this doesn’t give us much time to hand it over to Turkey because soon their hatred will be as big as the arabs. So giving it to them then will just cause them to take revenge on the Jews. But right now, I feel, the hatred isn’t that strong that if we offer them the white flag -they would take the country without getting revenge on the Jews that will be under their control.

gregaaron -“@Health:

Something becomes ???? because of ??? ???? ???? ?????? Seriously? Isn’t there a concept called ???? ???.”

Lifnei Ever is only for a Yid, regarding the advice part. To be Oiver for a Goy this Issur -you need a Maaseh. Like selling them weapons. (The Chinuch) Most people in the world are Goyim. This would include transplant teams.

“Also, someone mentioned earlier that there is a difference in Halacha with regard to a ????? – unless I am very mistaken, all that means is that if one were to kill him this person would not be subject to ???? ?”?; I would be very surprised to hear that doing so is actually allowed.”

It’s not, but Ain Sholiach L’dvar Aveira.

rabbiofberlin -“In their “wisdom”, the moderators routinely omit to print my contributions.”

B’H -they do their job!!!

“So be it- but I have to be “moiche” (in the language of some of the posters) on this “alilas dam” (for the unitiated, it means blood libel) at what some posters routinely decry the fact that more jews have been killed in Eretz Yisroel than elsewhere in the world. Conveniently, they start the clock after the medinah was founded- conveniently omitting the Holocaust, the Russian pogroms under the czars and the Communists, the many persecutions in all countries-including the Arab nations, for centuries.”

The reason why they “Conveniently start the clock after the medinah was founded”, is because you didn’t even read what the point of argument is. You are so brainwashed by your ideals that you can’t even begin to understand s/o else’s point! The point is that the Medina’s claim to existance -of that we are protecting Jews, is Not the least bit realistic right now. Maybe before ’48 -a Jewish run country would protect Jews -maybe in the possible future if Countries turn against Jews -a Jewish run country would be good, but not right now. The most likely country that Jews will be killed by terror, in the here & now -is Israel!

So why not give Israel to the Goyim, like Turkey, with guarantees from the nations of the world that all terror will stop?!?!?

PBA -“So basically you are killing him.

It seems that this is muttar even according to the rov poskim who say to not donate. I don’t exactly know why.”

I already posted why -above.

Ain Sholiach L’dvar Aveira!

I think it’s time to close this thread because I think the comments here are doing more harm than good. I see the points on both sides, but Non-Heimishe come here and might intrepret the defenses here as agreement to her overall decision that Chassidish life isn’t worth Didley -squat.

Please Close This Thread!

Thanks.

HaKatan -“nor does it damn society as a whole either, despite these few terrible blots on the overall fabric of society.

Besides, there are plenty of states still, B”H, that have not introduced such terrible legislation. Whereas by Noach, the Torah clearly tells us “Ki Mal’ah HaAretz Chamas…” It was universal across the land.

So as I said, there is no comparison between this generation and that of the Mabul, despite a minority of states considering/passing toeiva bills, R”L.”

I disagree with this part of your post. Either deliberately or not, but you are looking at the Matziv here with rose colored glasses. The fact that we aren’t exactly right now like S’dom or the Dor Hamabul – doesn’t mean this isn’t the direction we are headed. Anybody who doesn’t have their head in the sand can see which direction the wind is blowing. It might be a few states only right now, but very soon the Feds are going to push this on all of us. The Circuit Court in California right now has ruled that there has to be Toeiva marriage there. (Against the will of the people there.) There is a good possibility the Supreme Court will take this up and I can see them pushing this on e/o, in spite of the fact that they are a “Conservative” court. They can easily find that Toeiva marriage is required by the “Constitution”!

We as Frum Jews have to join the Few Goyim in this country that still care about this and only support candidates that will Not allow legalization of Toeiva marriage and revoke the legislation that is already there.

To me it’s mind boggling that there is a “Frum” guy in Albany and he supported Toeiva marriage and he is supported by a “Frum” community -to be in office!

In one of my hats that I wear -I’m a fire safety consultant. But you don’t have to be an expert to know that almost all fires can be put out when they are small. When they get big -it’s not that easy anymore -sometimes whatever is burning is destroyed.

The time is now to put out this fire, before it spreads!

If people from the Religious Right (Jew or Goy) continue to hide under the covers -then this issue will go the same way abortion in this country went!

RK – The Poskim have said since it’s common to come back after cardiac arrest and/or being put on a by-pass machine – during that time you aren’t considered dead. If they don’t attempt to resuscitate you -then death is at the time of stoppage. If they do -then death is at the time they call the code (resuscitation).

mdd -“Health!!!Stop it already! What would giving E. Yisroel to Turkey accomplish? Me’stama, they are going to enforce t’znius in Beit Shemesh? Right? They are going to make a law that everybody has to be frum?”

Let me explain something -I want Goyim to run Israel for the same reason I think a major war with Iran will be good. The reason is because I think one or the other will expedite the Geulah.

A lot of people in our Dor do lip service everyday in Davening and elsewhere saying they want Moshiach. Do they really want Moshiach? Are they really willing to give up the great Gashmius that they live in Golus? People in Golus all over which includes Israel have very nice lives (not e/o, but a lot). How many really want that to stop tomorrow and everybody will be exactly equal?

Does the Rosh Hayeshiva want to get the same amount of Kovod as an Am Haaretz? Does the rich man want to be on the exact same social status as the poor man? These are hard questions that people must ask themselves. This I believe is what Moshiach times will look like. So barring the first two things I mentioned above, I believe that in order for him to come -everybody has to really want him. Now the question is – does everybody truly, really want him to come???!?!?

greatest -Hey -Don’t burst his bubble. He’s living in Moshiach times right now.

Lomed Mkol Adam -“since dismantling the Medina is not an option anymore.”

I disagree. I’ll repeat – Israel should be given to the Goyim.

Perhaps Turkey will take it over?