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I don’t want to get into details publicly, but the issue with Badatz Beit Yosef is not exclusively Sefardi vs Ashkenazi. Many Sefardi benei Torah will not eat Badatz Beit Yosef and have concerns regarding its standards.
If this would be offered by the schools themselves, I think it would resolve all of your issues.
1) There would still be a classroom setting and an adult supervising. However, there would be no need for a secular studies principal and licensed teachers with a Master’s degree etc; as they are just supervising for discipline and not instructing and there is no staff to supervise. Also, it would be possible to combine classes and have a much larger class size. While one teacher cannot teach a class of 50+ students, an individual could supervise them.
2) Using some napkin math; currently, average high-school full tuition is approximately $12,000, which is presumably the cost to the school of providing that education. Of that, around 1/3 is for secular studies; or around $4000/year/student. This company is proposing a mere fraction of that cost. If we save ~$3000yr/student, that savings goes somewhere. Hopefully, the school will pass it on the parents.
3) Actually, language has long been successfully taught without teachers, think Berlitz etc. In any event, this company offers a full curriculum at a set price.
4) The devices they offer are Chromebooks and they retain administrative rights. This enables them to have complete control over which sites, and even programs, the student can see and run. The students could not even play solitaire on the computer unless it is approved. Obviously, the internet connection should be password protected so no other devices can be attached. This password can be pre-loaded into the Chromebook so the student has no knowledge of it.
In short, it seems this could save ~$3000/student/year with little drawback. For a typical frum family, that is tens of thousands of dollars every year. Not to mention that it offers a higher quality of individual education than currently available.
I think every school should at least seriously consider if it is appropriate for them.
So why don’t our schools take advantage of it?
ROB: did you forget the end of the same Mishna where Rav Nehorai (another name for the above Rabbi Meir) says that he would only teach his son Torah?
zaidy78: That’s what the Chida in Shem HaGedolim quotes his son as relaying was written on the Rema’s Matzeiva. However, it is not accurate, as the Matzeiva makes no mention of his age.
While Rav Heinemann and the Star-K permit it, the OU is uncertain and Machmir.
chacham: Rav Feinhandler was already aware of the metzius, but his point was that HaRav Elyashiv’s psak was not based on it. None of the other Teshuvos you quoted address it either. Even if typing to a monitor would be kesiva, erasing it is merely preventing a new kesiva and not mechika.
Computer screens constantly refresh themselves, many times every second. When you erase something, you are not truly erasing it, merely preventing it from being rewritten. I spoke to Rav Feinhandler who wrote a Sefer called Ginzei HaKodesh on the topic, and he confirmed that Rav Elyashiv was not aware of this Metzius.
Sam: They are not worms and do not originate inside the fish. They are lice also called Argulus and migrate from th eskin to the mouth. They can range up to over an inch long.
The OU in Daf HaKashrus 20-7 has a comprehensive chart of dozens of cheeses and their status.
I just spoke to the head of Rav Revach’s fish department and he said salmon heads can be cleaned even after cooking. Also, they do not need to be split completely in two, just a slit on the bottom, remove the gills and rinse well
Rav Vaye writes that you must split the head in half and remove the gills and all internal organs. Then rinse thoroughly and inspect. I don’t know if it helps to do this after cooking.
They are visible, not so small at all if you know how to look. If you cooked it with the head it will not make the entire fish Assur. You can cut it off afterwards.
yes. farmed Norweigan salmon is free of Anisakis worms in the flesh but has a skin parasite that invades the oral cavity. They hide in the gills, under the toungue ete. Carp and mullet have worms in their head, even when farmed.
See here more more resources regaring checking all of the Simanim http://shaareihoraah.org/wordpress/?p=655
There are two reasons some may be reluctant to say Mezonos on rice.
Therefore, it is understandable that some people are reluctant to say Mezonos on a typical rich dish.
Some interesting points l’Maaseh to keep in mind as you learn the sugya:
1) ??? ??????, does it really depend upon the number of stores or the volume of sales? Why?
4) Similarly, can I call my credit card company in the US from EY when it is Motzei Shabbos for me and still Shabbos in the States, on the assumption the person answering is not Jewish?
yitay: 1) I don’t think that is what he means. I understood his intent that there is something intrinsically and spiritually different about Jews that makes them stand out to those perceptive enough to these things.
2&3) sorry, I didn’t read your question carefully enough to realize you only wanted to answer Tosafos l’Shitaso.
4) it IS Nogea but I was too brief. They continue that people and Karka which are intrinsically not Batel, are Kavua even when not Nikar.
The Pri Chadash says that Goyim are Nikar and the Rash miKinon is also Mashma that way, don’t ask me how.
Minchas Yaakov and Kreisi u’Pleisi prove from here that Nikar is not necessary for Kavua. Kreis u’Pleisi also suggests that one indiviual anywhere in the world who knows makes it Nikar.
Also, Ma’adanei Yom Tov 7:20:70 quoted in Igros Moshe OC 1:178 writes that a Bar Da’as is automatically Nikar.
The Bach and Yad Yehuda understand that Nikar isn’t directly a Tnai in Kavua, it just prevents Bitul which would preclude Kavua.
Chacham: I downloaded it and unzipped it using Stuffit, and the filenames are all in legible Hebrew.
RebRY: Rav Belsky and Rav Moshe Mordechai Karp are probably the most prominent yeshivishe Rabbonim who wear Techeiles, at least publicly.
Anyone interested in researching the subject can find an abundance of information at ShaareiHoraah.org. They also have info on other interesting topics in Halacha.
OC: no, it’s not as sensitive as a fridge
shlishi: correct. Israeli Shabbos mode fridges disable the thermostat as well as any lights.
Just wanted to point out a refrigerator is less obvious to Mattir. Due to its smaller size and greater temperature differential from the ambient, the motor is more certain and speedy to turn on. There would be more reason to consider it a Psik Reisha.
choppy: That would be even better, as now there would be grounds to call it “Lo Nicha” when the compressor comes on, since you have domonstarated that it is too cold for you.
ROB: “you may want the effect of the compressor but not RIGHT AWAY”
That is not sufficient to be called “Lo Nicha”.
However, regardless of that point, you are correct that it is Muttar because it is Eino Miskavein and also Grama. It is not a Psik Reisha at all because it is neither an immediate reaction nor a certain one.
The Kashrus of the meals will likely depend upon the airport of departure, as airlines purchase their meals locally from a caterer rather than producing them centrally and schlepping them around the world.
Again, you are speculating about something you know nothing about. As one with decades of personal experience with these people, the leaders of the campaign and many of their followers are motivated by something that can only be accurately described as anti-Semitism. Like many before them, they have learned how to couch their true feelings in language that is socially acceptable.
Not at all. There are numerous possible resolutions. Many of them do not necessitate interpreting the Rambam to mean the opposite of what he says.
As I mentioned myself earlier, my primary disagreement with you is over the style of your comments more than their substance. The bottom line is that you come across as condescending and resentful of those who nobly dedicate their lives to the Torah, which strengthens the position of those who wish to uproot Torah study altogether.
DY: Reb Moshe is explaining the Rambam Talmud Torah, not Shmita. In Shmita the Rambam writes ???? ?? ????? ??? ??? ?????? ?? ??? ????? ?????? ??????. He clearly is referring to Terumos and Ma’aseros which the community gives the Kohanim and Levi’im, not that they were unusually successful in business as the Radvaz implies.
ROB: “Now- no one is disputing the need to finance some of the people who go to yesiva and/or kollel”
Actually, you were attempting to quote the Rambam Hilchos Talmud Torah precisely to that effect. I gather you have conceeded that the Beis Yosef, Rama and Shach do not rule that way, and it is not the accepted Halacha.
If fact, as I pointed out previously, the Rambam himself in Shmita v’Yovel contradicts your understanding of what he wrote in Hilchos Talmud Torah. While the Radvaz’s attempt at reconciliation seems to agree with your position, if you read the words of the Rambam in Shmita v’Yovel it is clearly not the Rambam’s intent.
ROB: Look, I’m trying to be Dan l’Kaf Zechus that you are siding with these enemies of the Jewish people solely out of ignorance. Your reluctance to heed my warnings would seem to indicate that your “some of my best friends are Yungerleit” is a classic one.
ROB: I think you are confusing two disparate issues. There is room for a legitimate discussion regarding the number of people who our society can afford to support in long-term learning, though I have neither the time not interest in joining it. This conversation can only be productive when it is an attempt to determine what is in the greatest benefit to the overall health of our community.
However, you are being extremely naive if you think that this is the motive of Plessner, Lieberman et al and the voters they wish to represent. Anyone who lives here and interacts with their type is aware that their primary goal is to destroy the Torah community. The sole reason they wish to coerce Bnei Torah to leave Kollel and join the army is in the assumption that the experience will make them less committed to Yidishkeit. If 80% of Chareidim would leave Kollel to work, as they wish, but retain their current lifestyle and level of observance; they would consider the law a failure.
Your intentions may be pure, but be aware that the context in which you are stating them is joining hands with the modern equivalent of the Misyavnim.
ROB: I’m still awaiting your response to me comments.
oomis: I’m having a difficut time understanding your point.
“What I should have said is some form of service to the country that even those who unfortunately are NOT machshiv Torah learning, will recognize as such” and “You are correct about Zaka, Hatzalah et al. They are major chassadim and services”
So Chareidim certainly DO many services that even others should be able to recognize.
“Like it or not, people who put their lives on the line to defend their country, do not generally see the value of a talmid chochom, as we do”
You are correct, but so what? Should we change our entire lifestyle to accommodate the 6% of secular Israelis who put their lives on the line, because they are ignorant regarding the value of our contribution? And what about the 94% of secular Israelis who either don’t serve at all or serve in non-combat roles? They don’t put their lives on the line either.
ROB: eagerly awaiting your return from Ma’ariv and the Levaya
ROB: why do you selectively quote Rambams? What about Shmita 13:13 who writes that anyone who dedicates himself to Hashem’s service like Shevet Levi did will be supported like they were. Terumos and Ma’aseros were also communal support!!!
oomis: first of all, do you really feel that at the present the Chareidi community does not “give SOME form of service to the country”? Besides paying full taxes, have you ever heard of Hatzala, Zaka, Yad Eliezer etc. We actually have a much higher voluteer rate than the general population. The difference is that we chose who will serve and in which way, rather than having it dictated to us by outsiders.
“There has to be a compromise of SOME type here”
We are very open to compromise. The problem is that the other side refuses any form of compromise. They have declared war against the Torah community (including the National Religious); war brokers no compromises. Don’t support them in their war against us!!!
However, this is not the driving force behind the current agitators, and siding with them is joining our enemies.
For this I apologize.
However, be aware that using this venue to attempt to rectify the flaws in Chareidi society is a great error!!!
Oomis: I wrote a very long response, but decided to post only a fraction of it:
I apologize if I was too vague in making my point.
My point was that there is no legitimate and practical motive for conscripting Chareidim into the army; they are neither needed nor wanted. Secondly, take it from someone living here over 20 years and in regular contact with secular Israelis; the motive of the politicians and the masses they seek to woo has nothing to do with the noble quest for equality. Instead, political considerations have led them to declare was against us and our lifestyle.
That would be
the shortest civil war
of all time.
I’m sure that’s exectly what all the bloggers said about Matisyahu and his sons some 2200 years ago too!
ROB: I find it very sad to see someone I shared a number of stimulating and respectful debates on various topics in Halacha spewing such hatred and vitriol against the Torah and those who learn it.
I have totally changed my impression of you, and do not feel I could carry on a conversation with you in the future.
Sorry Itche, I am in EY and have no access to the English Yated. I am not quoting anyone else, simply presenting the accurate facts.
Though I generally abhor addressing political debates, I feel the degree of propaganda and misinformation some people have swallowed forces me to set the record straight on a number of points:
4) The cost of integrating tens of thousands of unwilling and unmotivated Chareidim, especially if they delay their induction to 23 years old when most are married and building families will be extremely prohibitive. The military constantly complains that lack of funding prevents them from training and equipping themselves properly, if they must allocate millions or billions of shekel to accommodate unwilling and unneeded conscripts they will either bankrupt themselves or require massive infusion of funds. In the current economic reality, this extra cash would inevitably come at the expense of much more important projects.
great, i’m switching to chrome!!!
Google for “Olam HaTorah” or “Torah Index”. They list hundreds of institutions they have checked out. You can easily search thier site for say “American Friends”
mods: is this better than posting their link?
yitay: if you look at Shut Rabbi Akiva Eiger 207, I think he clearly concludes not like you are learning.
choppy: yerusha goes by ????? ????, pidyon follows ??? ???