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I will agree that he was one of the greatest Jewish figures of the 20th century and he was clearly a talmid chacham as well. His work The Sabbath is timeless.
That said, most readers on this site would not regard him as one of the Gedolim, and they would have decent cause not to.
I am definitely no expert by any means, though, so feel free to disagree. We can also agree to disagree.
@DrYidd–I knew your comment seemed rather odd, and now that I got a chance to check my copy for some facts it’s pretty clear why.
The facts are that there’s over 500 footnotes and even an extensive 45 page bibliography. It’s so incredibly thoroughly researched to a point that almost seems extreme, but which anyhow makes your comment pretty groundless. Sure, one can give a critique, but your language is quite extreme.
It seems that your insight into the author and his book can only be described as one man’s opinion and in need of a good dose of humility.
@rightwriter–was tracking it because I had a strong interest in it, but wasn’t ready right away to buy it at such a high price (~$70 may be less than $900, but it’s still a lot!!) . More recently been tracking it for an older acquaintance who’s interested in it, though it’s looking less likely he’ll ever buy it unless it gets reprinted lol.
I would definitely agree with @It Is Time for Truth that it is a superb book.
@smerel, with all due respect that’s not really an accurate description of the book. It’s not a “gedolim book” whose aim is to show that they had human struggles too. The biggest testament that it’s not a gedolim book is that among the 6 transition figures (as the author labels them) it discusses is Abraham Joshua Heschel (who went to JTS) and Harry Wolfson (who became a professor at Harvard). So not exactly a gedolim book.
Also, Berlin and Slobodka aren’t meant literally–the idea is to look at leading Jewish figures who were steeped in the yeshiva world in Europe and then made the transition to the Western world and engaged in Western culture, and to provide an in-depth analysis of how they each navigated that transition differently, and why some of them remained Torah-true Jews (and did become gedolim) and others less so.
(anyhow, if I remember correctly, Wolfson and/or Heschel were also talmidim in Slobodka.)
@ctlawyer, it’s absolutely correct that being offered at a given price doesn’t mean it actually gets sold.
That said, I’ve been tracking this book for years and whereas there used to be like ~15 copies available on Amazon, now there’s only 8, so some have definitely sold (albeit not at as high of prices, since they used to be under $100, which is still a lot). So I’d guess that’s why now they’ve gotten even higher….July 22, 2012 10:40 pm at 10:40 pm in reply to: Rav Yisroel Lau will be the guest speaker at the siyum Hashas #887677
Interestingly enough, however, I davka did not draw any lines-I simply made the point that pure limud haTorah untainted by side machlokos, or in this case celebration of pure limud haTorah untainted by side machlokos, is of supreme importance. If you’d like to respond, please do so with substance and address some of the concerns I’ve raised; don’t simply throw out a pithy phrase which makes me look intolerant.July 22, 2012 10:20 pm at 10:20 pm in reply to: Rav Yisroel Lau will be the guest speaker at the siyum Hashas #887675
Popa: Once again, yes, groups should be excluded at certain times. Examples would be a Yom Ha’atzmaut parade, at which it would be downright mind-boggling to see a chassidish Rebbe. Or if there was a conference to limit/eliminate secular education in schools, it would be wholly unnecessary and even chutzpahdik to have someone MO to speak. But not at the Siyum HaShas-this is about limud haTorah!!
DY: There is clear and fundamental difference between something b’yechidus and b’rabim. The point ‘far east’ is trying to make, is that we have no buisness imposing our beliefs on others who practice something b’tzina. It does not follow that one should be fine if someone’s shittah is to embarass people publicly and that we have to accept that. Why? Because that’s b’tzibur! That becomes everyone’s responsibility to respond to. Ma she’ein kein, when someone comes to speak about limud haTorah, and nothing about his beliefs of Eretz Yisrael, there is no reason to take to task for those beliefs.
Toi, Sports, and others: For all the talk of lending credibility by attending, besides my post about lack of identity above, if any Rov or Rebbe actually found value in rising above these machlokos and coming together for the Siyum haShas, they could easily do so without creating such problems. Because if their mere presence can cause such large assumptions to be made, kal v’chomer that if they gave a shmuz pre or post-siyum that their attendance in no way speaks of their haskama of religious Zionism, then their Chassidim would have no confusion of the Rebbe’s beliefs. So far all the power everyone’s ascribing these Rebbeim, do they not have enough power to get up give a shmuz to give clarity and avoid the machlokes?!July 22, 2012 6:06 am at 6:06 am in reply to: Rav Yisroel Lau will be the guest speaker at the siyum Hashas #887654
PBA: You have become affected by the lack of confidence in your identity that so many Orthodox Jews share. There is no reason for someone on either side of halachic discussion of the Dati Leumi vs. Chareidi positions regarding Eretz Yisrael to boycott a gathering celebrating Talmud Torah. The siyum haShas has nothing, absolutely nothing, to do with Zionism or any other halachic machlokes. Going to it when someone with opposing views is attending or speaking does not lend anyone credibilty; rather, it shows strength of character that one is able to rise above the machlokes which is irrelevant to the Siyum haShas and celebrate limud HaTorah together. It shows that one has confidence in his commitment to Torah in the way he approaches it, and is able to find the common ground with others. If this were a conference about religious Zionism, things would be different. But it’s the siyum haShas, and to feel your attendance lends credibility to anything but limud haTorah shows an unfortunately extreme lack of self-esteem and confidence in your relationship with Hashem.July 21, 2012 12:07 am at 12:07 am in reply to: Rav Yisroel Lau will be the guest speaker at the siyum Hashas #887643
popa, if u truly believe what you just said, that is very sad.
It was really incredible-I hope the Chevron Fund benefited a lot from it.
All I said was that it doesn’t have a specific hashkafa…don’t know why that’s a bad thing.
Anyhow, yes, there is a difference between the Bais Medrash and the High School.
I respect irrelgious Jews who have respect for religious Jews.
And I have tremendous respect for all Ba’alei Teshuva and for all people who dedicate time to kiruv, professional or otherwise.
And I respect Oomis for his well-stated opinion.
Although there wouldn’t be something specifically wrong with asking the guy, it’s probably better to ask the other girls. As an aside, I couldn’t tell if this is another question you have, but I think it’s davka a good thing to talk to the non-jewish girls. I think it’s low-risk high reward. There’s very little that can go wrong-obviously no relationship issues and i dont think they’ll be a bad influence b/c if they’re those kind of ppl I don’t think they’ll really want to associate with you. On the positive side, I think you can learn a lot from the different perspective on life they can offer, and I believe it’s a tremendous opportuinty for a Kiddush Hashem. Good luck with whatever you do!
Can someone enlighten us as to which thread this was?
Rednails…that was beautiful. And even for the people who don’t feel that way, please respect those who do, and maybe even pick up a Praying with Fire.
The Rebbeim are very warm and they live in the neighborhood but the Yeshiva’s right in the middle of the city though, so no campus and the dorm is like 2 blocks away.
Fly southwest…Midway is not that far. Really. They have free bags and no extra charges. Other than that look at kayak.com and try to be flexible.
Just saying, but you are one the rare people I’ve come across who didn’t know who “The Rav” refers to. He was one of few Gedolim who covered all spectrums of Yiddishkeit; a really incredible thing.
As our secular society as advanced, I think the negative components of it have advanced exponentially quickly. As such, I think each sect has become more extreme in their fews, and becoming more resistent to the other. Of course, I don’t think this helps anyone.
Although you mean well by not being more specific, you are not helping anyone by being so vague. Please enlighten as to what exactly your issue is, with which publication, etc; From whatever I do understand of what you’re saying though, it seems to be a rather minor issue. You should be thankful if that’s the worst picture your grandkids see/read about.
I’m a guy so I can only tell you from my perspective. First of all, I think it’s vital to find that person in your life who you feel comfortable talking to about anything. The longer you keep those questions/issues inside you, the harder they get to deal with. I actually happened to be talking to a girl (cousin) about this recently, and I think for most people you will natuarally be more comfortable talking in a serious manner to a mentor of your own gender. You might be more willing to open up to the opp. gender, but it’s difficult to do this without having any ulterior intentions.
Yeah I saw that offer in the likutei peshatim-it’s ridiculous! They make it sound like you have a problem if you’re a girl and you don’t get married while you’re a teenager. Anyhow, I have a better idea. Find a girl you know, tell her about this offer, then you can go on a date together and each pull in 50.
yoyo-this is like the fourth thread you’ve started about this. You should really find someone in real life whom you can pour your heart out to-it would be really helpful (I know from experience). Anyhow, I don’t think the situation is as bad as you make it seem…I think you’re focusing on yourself a little too much. However, you should know that as a teenage female you will get plenty of looks when you go in public. No one is stalking you-its just in a guy’s nature. Once you pass each other, he’ll never think about you again.
I was just kidding about that last point for those who take things too seriously in here
Pacman- the answer to your question comes from Chazal. When talking about kibbud av v’em it mentions the father first and when talking about morah av v’em it mentions the mother first. Why? Because a person’s natural inclination is to fear your father more and respect/honor your mother more. So the Torah mentioned the opposite one first to teach us to work harder on it since its not natural. And thats the reason the goyim celebrate mothers day more….we naturally honor our mothers more (and who celebrates a day honoring someone they’re scared of?)
bygirl-whats impressive about 1-5 is that you (the generic you) seem to be here every day…i guess you have to rotate the excuses:)
cherry bim- Theres a whole piece about that in the Journal of Halacha in Contemporary Society…I dont remember exactly what issue…around 2007 or 2008. But they dont give a psak at the end so I recommend you asking your LOR, not us in the CR.
Unless you are sending something very wrong which will provoke him to take drastic measures to find out who it is from, sending it from a library will do you just fine.
observant teen-you said the point of tznius is to not attract the att. of strange men….i disagree. At its best, the point of tznius is to attract the att. of normal men also:)
what i find amusing is that if most of the teens on here (guys and girls) met in real life they would clam up and have nothing to say
no…i dont qualify…do you?
That was quick! Thanks mods!
Hi yoyo…assuming what you’re saying is true there is definitely a problem: either someone is really stalking you or even if not, in your head someone is stalking you. Tell me if I’m wrong, but it seems that you’re uncomfortable talking to the people in your life who you might ordinarily talk to and that you would rather talk anonoymously. Don’t worry its normal…i also had a serious issue and didn’t want to talk to anyone about it…B’H it was figured out. But if this is the case, is there a way yoyo could talk anoymously to someone here whos in the CR. I don’t think I would be the right person, but maybe someone else could step up…Aries?
P.S. if you’re making this up, you don’t even want to hear my opinion of you.
wishywashy- i was also in second grade…except when we drove up they just told us to drive right back home bc skl was canceled…so even i knew something was wrong.
Then last night i was doing the same thing as you-studying for AP (ironically) US history. Fortunately, i didnt feel the same need as you to listen to Obama:)
the mods decide if and when u deserve a subtitle??
youre bored and ur on the internet=bad things. Try to go learn Torah or do some Chesed…please
SJSin NYC- i noticed ur post was completely edited. Could you tell us in a way acceptable to the mods what you said?
I still have not had chometz and I’m proud of it! I dont’t know why though. And this is with me having worked in a pizza shop last night.
Where’s the article?
There’s a whole explanation about the whys of all their rulings on their website which they say will also be published in the next edition of the Journal of Halacha in Contemporary Society (I don’t know how ppl here read that)
shlishi-there’s a couple of problems with that. First of all, it’s lying. That’s not what the Torah wants from us. Second of all, it demonstrates that you’re not strong enough in your yiddishkeit to say straight out “my religion doesn’t permit this” and to be proud and confident of it.
I think m in israel got it right on.
sof davar- you’re right, but that’s completely dependent on how u feel inside-if you feel attracted or unattracted that Will come out in your body language either way it is…unless of course you know how to control your body language
I don’t think I’m really qualified to answer what it is to be professional since i’ve never been in the professional workplace-but i’ll pitch in anyways:) I would imagine it’s just to be courteous, respectful, and cooperative. I think in the professional fields (medical, lawyer etc;) their standards on these things won’t contradict the Torah (usually) so basically follow their standards in these areas (unless it comes to directly contradict the Torah of course and then deal with those situations on a case by case basis)April 10, 2011 3:11 am at 3:11 am in reply to: Honoring The Fogels- Mods, please post this beautiful letter encouraging Unity #757385
Ok so tomim tiyeh is right…why should that invalidate the rest of the post? Why should we not have a shloshim for the Fogels?
It’s pretty clear to me that the answer is to not be rude, and be polite and professsional instead. If you don’t feel you are able to be polite and cordial without compromising your yiddishkeit, it might be good to reevaluate whether this is the best thing for you to do.(Sry, I really don’t mean to be so blunt) Maybe talk it over with your Rebbeim or Moros. But you definitely need to be confident in your ability to walk the fine line of being polite and normal without being dragged into anything against yiddishkeit. Hope this helps and please say what you think.April 8, 2011 1:19 am at 1:19 am in reply to: Honoring The Fogels- Mods, please post this beautiful letter encouraging Unity #757376
Definitely true and a great way to make an incredible kiddush hashem.
MDG, your probably right
Yoyo, I think you have to explain a bit more exactly what’s bothering you. It seems you’re a little confused. Also, as a general rule with anything, if 1) you’ve looked into an issue seriously (with your Rebbi/Morah), and 2) you have been genuinely 100% honest with yourself, and 3) you truly don’t believe there be an issue, then I think you can go ahead with whatever it is. However, I don’t think you can go through those steps regarding the prob of guys/girls and come out that there’s no negative effects. But tell me if you disagree
Mods, don’t you realize we’re actually trying to have mature discussion about this?
did they get rid of your other thread about this completely?!
They brought in Eitan and Shlomo Katz who are a great example of achdus right there. Two brothers who have very different derachim in life but have so much respect for each other. Anyhow, they led davening in 4 different shuls over shabbos; on fri night, the ones they weren’t at didn’t have minyan so that everyone would go be together; an oneg they were at where many rabbanim of the shuls gave divrei torah and chizuk about achdus; and there were also shiurim from certain two Rabbanim which many people came to also; to top it all off as a bounus, there was talk/shiur from Rav Yona Metzger chief rabbi of E”Y at shalosh seudos attended by hundreds; it was truly incredible. Then to keep it all going, there was an initiative to make a siyum on Nach and Seder Moed collectively by members of all the shuls which just happened last week