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I keep forgetting that you will respond to my choice of words over the substance of my post. So I’ll try again
”Bernie Sanders ” was shorthand forYou consistently support ”higher taxes on those that have more ”
Even though the people who are being taxed have no control in how that money is spent (if Bernie, as one of 100 is called ”can’t force you to do anything ” then my lone vote even in NYC is just one of 8-9 million, certainly fair to call it ”no say ”)
So I’m not sure why your getting bent out of shape that someone is ASKING you to give money to a cause that you presumably support.
Whether they need it or not is irrelevant.
Your ire is directed at the asking.
I’m not mixing politics in.
I’m using your political statements to gauge your personal positions.
I didn’t ask who your voting for nor do I careG H
That has got to be from the richest posts.
I’m the same sort you call a liar yet you believe what he clearly has to say for political expediency!!!
If you believe trump would vote for a gay man….CTL
I personally think it’s way out of line.
But you, as someone who sees nothing wrong with Bernie Sanders asking me to hand over more of my money to help some guy I never heard of, do something I don’t agree with, what could possibly be wrong with your grandchild ‘s future new grandfather asking you to kick in a bit of cash?In other words, if Bernie Sanders forced me to kick in cash to help John marry Jim that’s OK. But for the new grandfather to ask you to give cash to your own grandkid to help they do something that presumably you are shepping nachas from, you have an issue??
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Thanks I second your postHarav.
You totally lost me
חזל say one thing
You mistranslated it on purpose because you know better? Is that what you are saying?
Nice. I’ll keep חזל ‘ס version if you don’t mind.
I can’t be positive but I just have this feeling that they were a drop smarter than even you.
Hope I’m not being to חוצפא to say thatHarav
klugeryid, change your name. איזהו חכם הרואה את הנולד a smart person looks in the past. We don’t want a dictator who controls the Justice Dept. Next, any person can be investigated by the president, if he does’t like him.
What are you talking about?
It means who sees the future.
At least translate correctly before criticizing.
He does not control it any more than any president before or after him. He has not seized power. He UTILIZED his power. And we see which way he enjoys utilizing it. To help his friends. Big issue there.
Maybe say, next boy of his cronies can do any crime and get away with it. At least then the issue you bring up would make sense. Although in my post I already answered that he already has that power. It’s called PARDONWhat’s the difference between trump pressuring the Dept of justice to go easy on his friend or Obama siccing the irs on someone?
Simple
In trumps case he is using his pull to help his friend who is in trouble for helping him. Not really a surprising move. Something all those now upset about here should be rooting for. It’s called הכרת הטוב. From the guy who has no morals or מידות.
It threatens nobody, and really is nobodies business.
Whereas using the Irs to harass your political enemies, is something that threatens the very bedrock of free society.
Even someone who is perfectly clean can still undergo years of hell and fortunes of money to clear themselves, with no recourse to Seamus that lost time and money. It’s a real threat.
It’s almost as if the president can Willi nilli lock someone up for years for disagreeing with him personally or politically.Additionally it’s the stupidest thing to get upset at trump for.
He is fully in his rights to wait until they sentence stone to 1000 years in prison plus the death penalty. Harsh enough? With no meddling from trump?
And the next day pardon stone and he walks out a free man.
So what’s the issue if beforehand he let’s it be known that he thinks this is too harsh of a punishment?
Fabricated indignation from trump hatersUnfortunately it looks like mini Mike is coming out swinging. Trump like.
I think trouble is comingSure
Explore paper company websites to learn the dangers of plastic.
That’s going to give you accurate informationLast I checked, plastic is made from crude oil.
After sorting
You get gasoline and many other products
One of these is plastic.
As long as we are using gas, the plastic is being extracted.
If you don’t use it as bags it will either be used in another way, or thrown straight out and the cost passed along to all other crude oil components.Syag I think you may have missed this
Syag I asked there two questions
Still haven’t received a response1) Syag
No I’m totally serious. Isn’t that like the simplest form of judging favorably??
That he holds like a differing legitimate opinion in halacha?What do you consider judging favorably?
2) According to you is there anything wrong with the following statement.
I know for sure today some yiden will speak lashon haraJackk
Honestly I don’t see the difference between getting the fbi irs cia or a foreign government to investigate someone.
If it’s OK to sick the fbi on trump, who cares if it was Ukraine that trump asked to investigate Biden.
Had he asked the FBI t o do so it would be OK?
Sounds weird to me
But someone here seemed to claim is the law so I guess that part is too badSyag I asked there two questions
Still haven’t received a response1) Syag
No I’m totally serious. Isn’t that like the simplest form of judging favorably??
That he holds like a differing legitimate opinion in halacha?What do you consider judging favorably?
2) According to you is there anything wrong with the following statement.
I know for sure today some yiden will speak lashon haraSo it is About דן לכף זכות?
I think you are wrong on either count and I have sources for both so it makes no difference to me.
So I don’t think it’s sensible to accuse of of changing it to something that works for me.It probably would have been helpful to the conversation, had you actually responded to my posts and maybe called me out when I switched the conversation instead of silently watching from the sidelines, but whatever works for you is good
Jackk
This quote is rich!!!If he knew of the exorbitant compensation his son was receiving from a company actually under investigation, the vice president should have recused himself. While ignoring a conflict of interest is not a crime, it is surely very wrong. With regards to Hunter Biden, taking excessive advantage of his father’s name is unsavory, but also not a crime.
Let’s pause here to let this sink in
I’m going to vote to impeach a president, (which is really also voting as to what the president has done, for that is really the debate in the impeachment trial) even though no official crime has been committed, because one does not need to have the crime listed on the books for it to be wrong.
But I’m going to give the bidens a pass, even though In their case it has already been agreed by all and or proven that unsavory behavior has taken place , because there is no official law that they broke!!!
How’s that for some before breakfast hypocrisy??!!Let’s continue with the quote
Given that in neither the case of the father nor the son was any evidence presented by the president’s counsel that a crime had been committed, the president’s insistence that they be investigated by the Ukrainians is hard to explain other than as a political pursuit.
Um, care to repeat that?
Sure!
Given that in neither the case of the father nor the son was any evidence presented by the president’s counsel that a crime had been committed, the president’s insistence that they be investigated
Wait! Isn’t that usually what an investigation is for?
To find evidence in a situation where something doesn’t seem correct?
Silly me. I forgot that In the liberal utopia, the accuser is supposed to provide the investigator with the evidence. Ala communist Russia.
So part of trumps crime (unwritten of course) is failure to fabricate evidence against his political enemies. A crime of omission if you will
Glad to clear this all upAnd for this we have posters calling the dog mutt Romney an honorable upstanding role model.
Wow.Avram
Did you read the piece I quoted from the Chafetz Chaim?
If you substitute schmoozing between mincha and Mariv for watching the Superbowl it is indistinguishable from Josefs comment.
So According to you syag would take exception to the Chafetz Chaim. Nice.
And no. I didn’t get ”hung up ” on A colloquial reference. That was seemingly her issue. When it was shown that that didn’t apply, it was clarified to another issue which also was off base as shown by the Chafetz Chaim and gemorah that I brought.
I think they very much directly apply to show that such action as Josef did is not m s rBen
No offense taken
I know zero about constitutional law.
I do know however that there are two schools of thought in interpretation of it.
Constructionist which I think means it is what it says. Go break your head. And evolving
Which are you using?Syag can I try?
1) it is
2) 2part answer
2a) they don’t really believe the first half, they are afraid of the second half, and they need to say something.
2b) they honestly believe the average American is as dumb clueless and naive as can be. So they DO believe what they are saying.I know 2a and 2b are at odds with each other. It’s a choice.
Jackk I’d like to pose a hypothetical question
According to your understanding
If the president finds out that a political opponent of his is a spy against the United States. Operating in some country that we have no network on the ground but one of our allies has an extensive network,
Should the president
1) ignore the situation since the accused is his political opponent
2)ask the ally to use their network to find out what the real story is
3) use our own guys at substantial risk to life and huge financial outlay, in order not to get ”foreign governments ” involved?I’d love an answer
Jackk
Thank you.
So Romney says high crimes and misdemeanors, doesn’t have to actually be a crime or a misdemeanor because it would be impossible to list them all. So it’s up to the judgement of the senate.
So take your average Joe cop. Hauls some kid in front of a judge for spinning on his head on top of a soda bottle balanced on a unicycle in the middle of an empty lot at 3 am
Judge sentences him to ten years in the slammer because ”someone who engages in such offbeat behavior, In my opinion is a public menace that must be taken off the streets ”Kids lawyer says, your honor what crime exactly is my client being accused of?
Judge responds, buddy, it’s impossible to have the law list every type of crime, that’s why there are judges.
I vote to put him in the slammer.You think that would work???
It says HIGH CRIMES AND MISDEMEANORS we got thousands of those on the books
True the constitution doesn’t need to list it. But some law code does.
So according to you Romney was over the mitzvah of din which is one of the seven.
Straight to hell with him.
Even according to his lovers here.
Upstanding skunk that he isreb e
why should there be a difference?
from before matan torah to after , i can hear since as you pointed out, basically the world could not exist w/o teshuvah
but once we are separated, as long as we can do teshuvah maybe thats enoughBen and Reb
Thanks
Don’t know how I missed נינוה
The other ones are before מתן תורה so that may not be a great proof for todayChash your good
Realize though if you grant that trump did nothing wrong (just for arguments sake, since you agree it’s a possibility)
Then the script gets flipped.
Trump was upholding the law by making sure us money is not going to corrupt rockets, and then the impeachment was really just an illegal witch hunt and Rooney vindictively voting to impeach is voting to break the law.
So it’s not so clear cut.
Don’t think omer muttar help by a goy the gemorah says when hashem say they weren’t keeping their seven he made them think it’s now permitted so he could later punish them.
Sorta sounds like it don’t help them guysDo you have to check?
No way!!! Your allowed to assume the worst about them with a clear conscience.
I think he felt it would give him more credence to split his vote so I don’t think he has a miguAll jokes aside ,I don’t think this was upstanding at all. It was payback. Everyone knows the whole proceeding was only undertaken to get trump. Even if he is guilty, if they liked him they would never have done this.
Sort Of like what they are saying about trump, even if Biden was guilty, trump only investigated to hurt Biden.
So voting for it specifically where he knew it would be meaningless anyway, was only to poke trump in the eye.
Had he been a deciding vote to cause trump to lose office, that possibly would be guts.
Here it was just petty.Benig
We were just discussing this in yeshiva as a schmooze
Nobody knew sources as to whether a goy can do teshuva.
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Me I seem to remember that they can’t
But I’d love some sources
You seem pretty certain
Mind sharing?Dbrim 👍👍👍
avram
He wrote that about you.
absolutely! i got emotional and lost clarity
women in general are more emotional and therefore generally are not so clear. he bolstered my point using my comment as his example.
thats what i meant to sure
not sure what you thought i was tring to say“I’M NOT FOLLOWING YOUR CIRCULAR ISSUE AT ALL SO I HAVE NO COMMENT.”
That’s never stopped you before.
pure conjecture
These are powerfully negative things to say, and it’s not a leap at all to posit that someone who actually espouses such things would be beyond redemption.POSSIPLY but that would be you positing that
josef never even insinuated that
dont interject your negativity into someone elses comment and then excoriate him on itchas
thanks i wouldnt have the strength to type all thatct you remind me of a yankel miller joke
a man has too many children to fit in an suv so he buys himsef a schoolbus.
hes driving on the palisades parkway and gets stopped.
officer , whats the issue?
your driving a schoolbus on a parkway,its not allowed!
officer this is not a schoolbus its my car
sir it says schoolbus right on the side!
officer, and if it said airplane it would be able to fly??so he calls himself a saint
so did the pope call many murderers who murdered countless jews
as to stealing, he wasnt always wealthy. you really think in his life he never took anything that wasnt his?reb eliezer
klugeryid, Why does Romney have to be better than the Torah which allows polygamy?
he doesnt
why does trump?
a goy cant have hundreds of girlfriends ?Chash
And lets say its just out of spite, so he clobbered his enemy good, out of spite. Thats what you do to your enemies.
Ain’t that at worst what trump did to Biden?
And how rich is it that Mr Mormon that last Bastion of Polygamy to hate trump cause he had multiple girlfriends
You so sure he keeps all seven?
Never took home a pen or paper clip from his office without permission?
נכרים חייבים על פחות משווה פרוטה
ואזהרתן זו היא מיתתתן
I’d wager he’s no saint