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Menachem, real Litvaks have a problem with both.
Neville, GO AND LEARN THE SOURCES. OK? THEY SAY CLEARLY WHAT I TOLD YOU.
Anonymous…, those pogroms were incomparable to to the scale and savagery of the Tach-ve-Tat!! Note, by the way, they happened in Ukraine, but not so much in Belarus (White Russia).
The Pale? It was not fun, but it was nothing in comparison to the 1648-49!Neville, you clearly misunderstood the sources and missed a befeirushe Mishna Brurah that says it is a chiyuv.
Menachem…, the Ramoh says that ha’medakdekim be’mitsvos sleep in the sukkah. And, basically, all those heteirm are limudei zechus and not real, strong heteirim. The problem with the Chabad approach is that you go against opene Gemoros because of a personal feeling of the Mitteler Rebbe which was based on the Kabbalistic knowledge. Chazal also knew about the makifei Binah, you know.Anonymous…, heavy taxation and unfair courts were worse than 1648-49?!? Pogroms — in which disproportionate role played the descendants of the 1648-49 perpetrators? Forced Russian education never actually happened. And, again, it would have been worse than 1648-49?!? And forced education became common in the developed countries at that time.
Always…, learn the facts and stop with the anti-Russian propaganda. The territories taken from Poland by Russia in the 17-th and 18-th centuries were the territories of the early Russia occupied by Poland-Lithuania, and they still had their Russian population (the Ukrainian and White-Russian varieties). The only exception was Lithuania proper taken at the end of the 1700-s, but it was the Lituanians who started with occupation of the Russian lands in the 1300-s. Immediate losses among the Yidden were worse than the Tach-veTat?!? For sure not true. Later suffering under Russia? You mean the pogroms in which the Ukrainians had a disproportionate role?
Menachem…, I criticized the Mitteler Rebbe, not the Shulchan Aruch ha’Rav.
Neville, just look in Shulchan Aruch Orech Chaim 666 and 668 and in Mishnah Brurah there also. It is a good idea to learn the topic first.
Neville, about sukkah on Shmini Atzeres double-check your Halochic facts, ok? It is a chiyuv.
Avira, all those are post-factum (and faulty) defenses. The real reason is their understanding of Kabbola. They would do it even without those faulty explanations. The Shulchan Aruch says that one sits in the sukkah on Shmini Atzeres. Many Chassidim would not sit there on Shmini Atzeres even if the weather is fabulous.
The Rebbes are “Torosom umanosom”? Even the extreme Litvaks would not award that ptur to big masmidim in t!mes of the Achronim!Sechel83, the first thing one has to know when trying to learn Kabbolah (or even Aggadah) is that one has to be extremely careful and many things there may not be taken at their literal reading!
Nomesorah, a tzaddik being a body for Ha’SHem is not a new concept. It is a Christian concept. The founders of Christianity (who were Jews) misunderstood some Kabbalistic statements. The same happened to the followers of Shabttai Tzvi and Chabad. It is a heresy.
The Mitteler Rebbe admonishing yungerlite for following Halochah because of his take on a Kabbalistic statement? It shows what is wrong with Chabad.Avira, I do not have that seifer. Please, quote a Chazal.
Always…, an excellent kashya!Avira, Chazal say not to take Aramaic lightly not because “a lot of Torah was said in it” — unless you can provide a source.
HaKatan, you have to know how to read and understand things. According to you, an observant Jew who has big problems with anger management renders wine yain nesech by touching it because he is an idol-worshiper.
HaKatan, please!!… Reb Elchonan meant to say that he had a problem with the hashkofah of the Mizrachi movement, not that it is literally, mamash, avoda zorah ke’pshuto!
HaKatan, so it is ossur to enter a Mizrachi yeshivah because it is a beis avodah zorah? Stop saying ridiculous things. And you know the sugyos enough to know that there was no heter for the Chief Rabbi to do what he did? Maybe, go learn some more first.
Neville, you are taking it too far. It goes on a case by case basis.
Ymwe, bring us a clear source from Chazal to this claim that no Jew will be left behind. There are clear sources from TaNaCh and Chazal that say that the coming of Moshiach will be a time of great judgement and only those Jews who are worthy will be zoche to come.
Always, the Jews with the Polish citizenship left during the Stalin times — in the mid-forties.
CS, Rabbi Shneerson killed Stalin and brought down the Iron curtain?!?!? Said who?!?
Rabbi M.M. Shneerson did not make all or majority of Klal Yisroel go in the derech ha’Torah or rebuild the Beis Ha’Mikdash or did other things which Moshiach is supposed to do. Enough of brainwashing!Jackk, like I said, learn some history. Even from the American academic(!) sources.
Also, think critically and don’t be naive.jackk, knowing some history would not hurt (just not at the expense of learning Torah — learn history in the bathroom). The USSR swallowed the Baltic countries which are not really Russian (though had been a part of the Russian empire). Putin is trying to re-attach parts of Ukraine to Russia — both of which had been a part of the original Russian state.
Jackk, they killed millions of people invading Ukraine? Are you sober?
According to the Western mindset, the USSR and modern Russia are all the same evil Russians.
Stop swallowing the propaganda.UJM, again, they were not running to join NATO when they had the whole USSR next to them, backed by the Warsaw Pact nations, and now they became nervous?
UJM, why would Finland want to participate in this stunt? Because the US and their Western allies, most likely, pressured and cajoled it.
A political stunt meant to stick it to Putin. They did not want to be in NATO during the times of the USSR and the Warsaw Pact, and now they want?
n0mesrah, and what goe on in Meiron?
Ben, it is a statement from the Zohar! These are very deep, not- simple yinyonim. For the third time — you can’t just pull out a Kabbolah statement, read it literally and draw conclusions. That is why Chazal (second perek of Chagigah) held that sisrei Torah are to be told only to few select individuals.
Ben, you do not know what you are talking about! You can not just pull out a quote from a Kabbolah seifer and take it ke’pshuto!! Any half am ha’orez knows that. What do you think I and Avira and a multitude of others do not know these statements?
Ben, on a different topic: did you ever wonder why most azahoros of TaNaCh and Chazal are on dererch ha’yirah?
Ben T., you quote Kabbalistic concepts here — excellent! Christianity and your Chabad avoda zora are all based on misunderstanig of exactly these concepts! How is your understanding of what your Rebbe is different from the concept of Trinity?
Ben Toiro, have you seen my post?
Also, Ben Toiro, don’t write so long, please.
Ben Toiro, if the Lubavitchers were just “doviek be’avar ragleihim” of their Rebbes it would not be a problem. The problem is that by them, the Rebbe partially replaces Ha’SHem, R”l. If a Lubaticher does something he should not, they tell him:” you are starting up with the Rebbe…” or “you are asid le’iten es ha’din in front of the Rebbe…”
editedAvira, I am not going to argue with you whether it is night or day now. Enough is enough!
You follow Rav Belsky on this?!? Really? I also knew him. Ok?
Avira, there is no difference between the Satmar and Agudah on Israel? I do not know what Rav Reuven Grozovsky meant. Le’ma’ase it is totally not like that. You have to be honest!
Avira, My point is they have not been following the Satmar shita either. Stop pretending not to see it. They were not as madly opposed as you and your Satmar chavierim are.
Avira, have you noticed that most Gedolim do not follow the Satmar shita? Do you think there is a reason for it?
Avira and Ujm, I replied, but the Mod did not let it through.
Avira, Reb Yoel held that Zionism was a pirtza and he was allowed to say things which are not emes to fight it. Get it?
And do not make out of him a big mekubal either.Avira, have you looked at any sources besides the Satmar ones?!? Maharal does not say what you claim he said — it is a a big stretch, to put it mildly. Check it inside. The ta’anah about the UN and therfore the Arabs not counting — Reb Moshe held like that.
Avira, what about people talking during chazoras ha’shaztz, also a public abrogation of the will of H’ — are you as upset? What about if there are groups of frei Yidden in chutz la’Aretz — are the anti-Zionists as outraged as they are about the medinah?
Always, what in the world are you trying to say? Maybe learn the about Yehu or the rebellion against Atalya or about king Yoshia?
Avira, the choimer of the aveirah makes a difference.
Also, if there are groups of frei Yidden in chutz la’Aretz, is it chillul Ha’SHem or it is only when they live in Eretz Yisroel it is a problem?Avirah, Shmittah and trumos&maaseros are de’Rabbonon nowdays.
In the US they would never ever agree to directly support that large chunk of population in kollel.Shimon Nodel, the historians say something along the Ujm’s lines, not yours. So, tone down the rhetoric, maybe.
RBZS, how do you know he did not go to the mikve and went to the wrong areas? Also, not making a brocha does not invalidate the tevila.
Marxist, who said that the Israel would have the strength to fight off Germany, especially if they (the Germans) had gotten there full force? The Nazis almost felled the Soviet Union. It is ridiculous Zionist propaganda that : “Had there been a state, it would have prevented the Holocaust.”. Who said it would have?