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Avira and Ujm, I replied, but the Mod did not let it through.
Avira, Reb Yoel held that Zionism was a pirtza and he was allowed to say things which are not emes to fight it. Get it?
And do not make out of him a big mekubal either.Avira, have you looked at any sources besides the Satmar ones?!? Maharal does not say what you claim he said — it is a a big stretch, to put it mildly. Check it inside. The ta’anah about the UN and therfore the Arabs not counting — Reb Moshe held like that.
Avira, what about people talking during chazoras ha’shaztz, also a public abrogation of the will of H’ — are you as upset? What about if there are groups of frei Yidden in chutz la’Aretz — are the anti-Zionists as outraged as they are about the medinah?
Always, what in the world are you trying to say? Maybe learn the about Yehu or the rebellion against Atalya or about king Yoshia?
Avira, the choimer of the aveirah makes a difference.
Also, if there are groups of frei Yidden in chutz la’Aretz, is it chillul Ha’SHem or it is only when they live in Eretz Yisroel it is a problem?Avirah, Shmittah and trumos&maaseros are de’Rabbonon nowdays.
In the US they would never ever agree to directly support that large chunk of population in kollel.Shimon Nodel, the historians say something along the Ujm’s lines, not yours. So, tone down the rhetoric, maybe.
RBZS, how do you know he did not go to the mikve and went to the wrong areas? Also, not making a brocha does not invalidate the tevila.
Marxist, who said that the Israel would have the strength to fight off Germany, especially if they (the Germans) had gotten there full force? The Nazis almost felled the Soviet Union. It is ridiculous Zionist propaganda that : “Had there been a state, it would have prevented the Holocaust.”. Who said it would have?
Also, why do you not look at the famous case of Eliyahu ha’Novi that I brought down? He spoke badly only about a part of the Northern Kingdom of Aseres Ha’Shevotim.
Avirah, I am not telling you my chiddushim. Adas Korach? You find Klal Yisroel castigated all over Tanach — because there was a big toeles in saying and writing down those statements. When therei is no toeles though …The chiddush that it applies down to a small city is from the Chafetz Chaim. Just read carefully what I wrote.
About Eliyahu — it is in Rashi in Melochim 1, perek 19, on the posuk 16. There is also a Zohar about this episode which says that even though there is not a better tzadik than Eliyahu in all the generations, but he became very bad in the eyes of HKBH when he said kategoriya on the Jewish people.
I remember seeing it in the Chaftez Chaim’s seforim. I have to go back and find the exact places. Also, the mekoros from Chazal. The famous case of Eliyahu ha’Novi when he said that bnei Yisroel violated your bris and killed your neviim. He was obvously talking about reshoim. And the case of Hoshea ha’Novi from the beginning of perek Ha’isha in Pesochim. He was also talking about the reshoim.
Avira, the halochah applies to speaking about the Chareidim also. Obviously. Try to read what I wrote — it is a din about a tzibur.
Ujm and Avira, there is such an issur as limud kategoriya on Klal Yisroel. Namely, if a group of Jews (even if they are reshoim and even if we are talking about only the people of one town) do something wrong, it is forbidden to mention it unless there is big toeles in doing so. For sure, it is forbidden to make up slander about them.
Also, Avirah (of Phylistyn?), your claim that thet never bothered the old Yishuv is sheker. They never bothered them the way the later bothered the Zionists.
Buddy, when you “flipped out” you lost your “balance” a bit. Time to work on it.Avirah, I said they did not start the violence. The Altalina was kind of killing be’din malkus. I do not accept everything Reb Chaim said, and even him -you have to know how far he meant. Again, I do not deny the Der Yassin — but you have to look at the context! Why just jump to accuse other Jews — “bo u’ree ma bein poshei Yisroel le’neviey Umos ha’Oilam…”! I know many of them were reshoim ben adam le’Mokom, but you do not have to slander them like that! Comparing them to the Nazis and the Japanese invaders!
Avirah, and the expulsion from the rst of the Arab villages happened shortly after Der Yassin — during the Israeli independence war. The Arabs were asking for it — big time.
Avirah, Der Yasssin happened after almost 30 years of Arab attacks and in response to the murder of thousands Jews that had been slaughtered right before that! Historians you are getting it from are the revisionist, or lefty of anti-Semitic types. Again shame on you!
Avirah ,the Arabs started the violence and were responsible for the most of it. The Jews only responded. Shame on you!
Avirah, go learn some history (even from non-Israeli sources). Stop with your outrageous lies! The Arabs officially rejected the partition plans a number of times.
Catch yourself (indeed!), the mainstream opinion is that we are free to reject Midrashei Chazal? Who told you that?!?
Avirah, (with his kanaus) do you have anything to answer to the Shlomo’s story with the two Battei Din in E. Yisroel?Also, I agree with Aviira.
Yabia, following the Torah properly is an IMPERATIVE ISSUE for Klal Yisroel.
1, if one Rov holds that something is muttar and 5 other Rabboinim hold it is not, it not just muttar.DaMoshe, which terrible situation?
Philosopher, vaccines have been saving lives! Stop with propaganda initiated by the barbarians.
How about the mitsva of ‘lo sechaye kol neshama” regarding the 7 nations of Kena’an? Mitsva to execute those who are chayav misa? Kanolm pogim bo? Etc. AAQ and others, what do you say?
In the overwhelming majority of cases it is the ancestors who went off or were forced off.
It is by far, by far more of a second (the ancestors going off) than the first.
Yabia Omer, you are so clueless about how the Ashkenazim are! It is impossible to keep in the fold those 80% without compromising Halocha. Nobody was mafkir them, they did it to themselves or their ancestors went off and the descendants are not easy to repair.
Jackk, when there are a lot of Jews together, like in Uman on R. H, then it is different. It is difficult to attack a crowd.
Regarding the Chabad it is a blatant, verifiable propaganda lie!AAQ, no, no, you can not let those horrible Russians bomb anything even the Hitler’s bunker in Berlin. Oh, those Russkies!
YO, I already answered your question. “The Yeshiva world” is an idiom with a certain meaning. Stop pretending you do not understand. AAQ, the same goes for you.
When they say “the Yeshiva world” they mean what I wrote. Just explainnig the idioms to YO who pretends not to know them.
Jackk, AAQ, do you know that it is sakonas nefoshos to wear a yarmulke in the street in Ukraine?!? In Russia it is also dangerous, but in Ukraine it is worse.
Jackk, what in the world are you talking about? How many shuls are there already in Ukraine? And again, Putin does not target neither the shuls, nor the Jews ,nor the Ukrainian civilians. Stop with the propaganda hysteria.
According to AAQ, the US has not gone to war in the last 80 years. Yep, sure.
And partially to philosopher.
You have been swept by the ignorant and biased media frenzy. Learn the true facts.
Yabia Omer, The Yeshiva world is BMG, Mir, Beis Ha’Talmud, Chaim Berlin etc. Do not pretend you did not know this. Having a cheilek in Torah and being a Torah Jew are two different things. Do not pretend to be that ignorant. Is an OTD fellow a Torah Jew? However, potentially he has a cheilek in Torah.
Avira, what’s your point?
Avira, wearing tzitzis and a yarmulke are enough reminders of Jewishness, strictly speaking.
Yabia, what do you mean by “the Sefardi derech”? We do not know what you refer to.
Ujm, Rav Shach was in theory “land for peace”. Le’ma’ase he was strongly opposed to it as he did not trust the Arabs. I think he was also opposed to joining a left-wing government in Israel.UJM, you are totally misinformed about what Rav Shach held.
Yabia, Shas was lead by Chacham Ovadia. He did not know about the Sefardi mesora? Or according to you, the Sefardi mesorah means kullos through the roof and anything goes, chas ve’sholom?Ujm, Germany is a separate story. There the assimilation started much earlier. Yaakov Doe was referring to the Eastern- European Jews who immigrated to the US.
Chiefshmerel, there is also a statue of Symyon Petlura in Kiev. His army did a repeat of the Tach ve’Tat in 1918-1920.
I meant, the north-eastern parts threw off the yoke of the Mongols.
The Ukr. nationalists did not want to be friends with Russia — they hate Russia. Always…, the vote took place in 2014 only in Crimea.
Yea, a Russian troll who reveals to you that it is dangerous to wear a yarmulke in the street in Russia.Always, wrong guess. Try again.
So, in the 13th century, Rus’ was overrun and demolished by the Mongols. Its’ north-eastern part fell under the overlordship of the Golden Horde, a Mongol state, but they were allowed to retain their government structure with a broad autonomy, and the local leaders were dukes descendant from the old Grand Dukes of Kiev. The western parts of Rus’ were divided between Poland and the Grand Duchy of Lithuania. They, however, did not retain autonomous government structures and just became parts of the Grand Duchy or colonies of Poland. Eventually, the north-western parts overthrew the yoke of the Mongols and formed an independent Russian state. After Chmelnitskiy, imach shmo, rebelled against the Poles, his people decided to become an autonomous part of Moscow’s Russia, and Russia agreed to defend them against the Poles.