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YYA, I was just objecting to your assertion that “fighting is more honorable than being a pushover” has no mekor in the Jewish Hashkofah. That is all.
YYA, the kovod of Malchus Yisroel is an aspect of the Kovod of Malchus Shamaim. But was is it increased by fighting sometimes?!? Maybe it should be increased by being pushovers? That is my whole point.
YYA, for crying out loud! I am not saying that the current state of Israel has a valid Sanhedrin and a fully valid king. I am talking about about the Haskofic reason for going to war.
And increasing “shemao” is not just deterrence.YYA, LOOK in Rambam Hilchos Melochim (5:1) where he paskens that a Melech Yisroel is allowed to wage war to increase his renown. Ab kdei kach!
YYA, are you thinking or just shooting from the hip? Stop being so self-assured. I was talking about the Hashkofic reasons for going to war.
Anyhow, the war was actually started by the Jews. The beginning of the fighting happened “at the opening of the city” of Rabbat of Ammon. Or nearby – according to Divrei Ha’Yomim.
Btw, you were also this way self-assuredly wrong about the money for Keren Ha’Torah.YYA, the Rambam paskens that a Melech Yisroel is allowed with a premission of Sanhedrin to go to a war of reshus.
An example of such a war is Dovid Ha’Melech’s war on Ammon which was declared because the king of Ammon gravely insulted and expelled Jewish diplomats. I suppose for the kingdom of Israel being publicly pushed around is enough of a reason to go to war. See anything about “dying with honor”?YYA, on a different note: there are reports about negotiations (between the Chareidi leadership and others) to pass the Chareidim draft law. So, what happened to the money that was sure to arrive from chutz la’Aretz which would allow the Chareidim to be independent?
Qwerty613, I am no fan of Chabad, but I think it is unfair to suggest that last Rebbe learned from Hitler.
YYA, both, Rav Chaim Volozhiner and Ba’al Ha’Tanya based themselves on Kabbalistic sources. How to interpret them was (is) a matter of great dispute. The Gra held that the Chassidim dangerously misunderstand them. He was afraid (one the things) they may make their Rebbes into avoda Zora’s ( as happened with some in Chabad).
Flaming Achmed (the troll), at first, I wanted to answer your claims point by point, but then I thought that you yourself should know why your claims are false, outrageous slander. So, I decided not to waste my time on a detailed response.
Do teshuva before you end up flaming in Gehennom.YYA, I, have never said they were psulei K’hal, chas ve’sholom.
Ujee, get over it — you are wrong.Ujm, stop with your propaganda. Even if you find some Litvishe Gedolim who held of certain Rebbes, IT DOES NOT MEAN that those Gedolim were not opposed to the Chassidishe shittos. And Chozon Ish was a Misnaged.
Flaming …, firstly, the name of G-d should be spelled using a capital letter at the beginning of the word.
Secondly, do you know what the word “genocide” means?!?Chiefsmerel, not being buried in a Jewish cemetery means not being buried next erlache Yidden. The Halochah is that we bury even Jewish reshoim in a Jewish cemetery — just not next to the erlache Yidden.
Ujm, you know firsthand about the Beis Ha’Levi? You met him? Sober up, please.
Ujm, so I heard from a very Yeshivishe person. I doubt you are so baki in the Beis Ha’Levi shittos to know it is for sure false, but I do understand that it is not up your alley to believe this info.
Ujm, the Beis Ha’Levi held that Chassidim may not be buried in a regular Jewish cemetery because the cheirem was still in force.
And DO NOT TRY to stir the tread away from it’s real topic!Somejewiknow, how do you spell “emes”?
Akuperma, COVID killed mostly older (including enough people in their 40-s) and people with medical conditions? But we want those to live also, right? Not only the unborn babies. The vaccine side-effects? Who told you about them? And, yea, the doctors and the scientists do not know what they are talking about. Only the conservatives with no medical degree do. STOP repeating the wicked conservative distortions!!!
YYA, already during the second year visit the Gedolim have not reached their fundraising goals, and they were told to reach a compromise regarding the military service, and the Gedolim said that they never knew they would have to come again. Ok?
And the over 100 millions is not all the money the government can cut.YYA (somejewiknow ?), right. And that’s why the Gedolim from E. Yisroel have been going to chutz la’aretz to try to collect money to the tune of over 100 millions a year.
Satmar? They have able to have so many people in E. Yisroel and in kollel?Ya’akov Yosef, you are insane. I meant that the non-Chareidim can cancel all the monetary support and so on and so forth. And so, the Chareidim might be forced to negotiate, Comprendo?
Ujm, it is not a question of what I or you would like. It is a question of which deal it will be possible to work out.
YYA and ujm, I was talking about a person that I personally know. There are many other such stories. What about the shtark Mizrachim who go in shtark and come out shtark? Truth only, please.
Somejewiknow, I told you already your style of arguing just pushes people away from your shita.
Ujm, I personally know an Israeli who went to the army frei and came out a Ba’al Teshuva in a black yarmulke. Etc.
Somejewiknow (who does not know enough), are you familiar with the Gemora in Pesochim, perek Ha’Isha, in which HKB”H told Hoshea, the prophet, that the Jews have sinned (including avodah zorah); to which Hoshea suggested that HKB”H exchange them for a different nation, and HKB”H got angry with him? Any comments?
Somejewiknow, if a secular Jew really has never been exposed to Yiddishkeit, he is a tinok she nishba.
ujm, you mean the state that has been supporting all those yeshivos and kolleilim with TONS of money?!?
Ujm (!!!!) and somejewiknow (!!!!), CUT IT OUT!! Positively. I mean with your crazy, very exaggerated and totally misplaced name-calling! You are not convincing anybody thus way either — just making people resent or hate your ilk.
none2.0, stop with your apikorsus! If you want to learn something – stay and learn, but stop posting your kefira.
Sensibleyid, I don’t think that most Achronim were Sefadic.
Also, something I should have done before — I do strongly protest against the way none2.0 wrote irreverently while writing about G-d (and le’havdil, his Moshiach).
None2.0, stop with your apikorsus!
Also, none2.0, I do strongly protest your bizayon of The Written Torah!
The Moderatots, why do you allow such denigration of the Torah to be posted here?none2.0, Torah is the morality. You are clearly not an Orthodox Jew. It is clear from the things you say.
Somejewiknow, STOP being motzei seim ra on the Jews. And you are not drawing anybody to your side doing so either — just getting people angry.
Keith, the crazy kanoy just does not like Trump. About him hating conservative values — I have not seen that at all.
Coffee addict, he is not saying the Democrats are good. Are you capable of admitting that Trump is wrong about anything?
Somejewlknow, according to the Rebbe’s seforim one should be taking action to dismantle the state of Israel. So, it is really interesting that his oral statements contradicted that.
Square root, you may not insult the Satmar Rov — he was a big Talmud Chocham. You do not have to follow his shita, but you may not mevaze him.
Square Root, I heard it from one of his sons.
HaKatan, chill out! Do us all a favor.
Yankel Berel, secure Zionism is based on kefira. They deny that the golus and the punishments are min Ha’Shamaim. They say it is all derech ha’teva. And that they can save the Jews by having a strong army and a medina (which is also silly in addition to the apikorsus). And they say that the golus could have been prevented by having a strong army and a strong medinah (shoitim!!).
Ujm, Rav Moshe Feinstein held there was no violation of the 3 shvous because the Nations gave their reshus. Reb Ya’akov also did not agree. AND THE REASON WHY THE OTHER GEDOLIM DID NOT AGREE WITH THE REBBE ABOUT WHAT TO DO le’ma’ase is because THEY DID NOT AGREE WITH HIS SHITTA IN HIS SEFORIM. Stop dreing the kup already and dispute the obvious and well-known. And I am not even talking about Chacham Ovadia who made Shas a part of WZO. ENOUGH already!
Ujm, it is absolutely not true that all the Gedolim agreed with the Satmar Rebbe on the issue.
Menachem Shmei, when other Yidden say “tzaddik” they mean what the Gemora and Medroshim imply — someone who does the right things, does not do aveiros be’meizid (and if, chas ve’sholom, he did derech mikre, he does full teshuvah right away). It is very different from the Tanya’s chiddush of how to define one.
CS, your views on Moshiach are in divergence from what Klal Yisroel held for 2,000 years. You are pushing yourself out of Klal Yisroel!
Number 1, I do moche on the CS’s bizui of the Torah !!! (What she said about learning Nazikin).
Number 2, “there is no public record of the Rebbe doing an aviera…”. That is the proof that he like Dovid ha’Melech killed his yetzer ha’ra (which is the Tanya’s definition of of a tzaddik). Are you for real?!?!Coffee addict, Hitler threatening to use military force against Chechoslovakia did not damage Germany either (at least, not in the short term).