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YYA, already during the second year visit the Gedolim have not reached their fundraising goals, and they were told to reach a compromise regarding the military service, and the Gedolim said that they never knew they would have to come again. Ok?
And the over 100 millions is not all the money the government can cut.YYA (somejewiknow ?), right. And that’s why the Gedolim from E. Yisroel have been going to chutz la’aretz to try to collect money to the tune of over 100 millions a year.
Satmar? They have able to have so many people in E. Yisroel and in kollel?Ya’akov Yosef, you are insane. I meant that the non-Chareidim can cancel all the monetary support and so on and so forth. And so, the Chareidim might be forced to negotiate, Comprendo?
Ujm, it is not a question of what I or you would like. It is a question of which deal it will be possible to work out.
YYA and ujm, I was talking about a person that I personally know. There are many other such stories. What about the shtark Mizrachim who go in shtark and come out shtark? Truth only, please.
Somejewiknow, I told you already your style of arguing just pushes people away from your shita.
Ujm, I personally know an Israeli who went to the army frei and came out a Ba’al Teshuva in a black yarmulke. Etc.
Somejewiknow (who does not know enough), are you familiar with the Gemora in Pesochim, perek Ha’Isha, in which HKB”H told Hoshea, the prophet, that the Jews have sinned (including avodah zorah); to which Hoshea suggested that HKB”H exchange them for a different nation, and HKB”H got angry with him? Any comments?
Somejewiknow, if a secular Jew really has never been exposed to Yiddishkeit, he is a tinok she nishba.
ujm, you mean the state that has been supporting all those yeshivos and kolleilim with TONS of money?!?
Ujm (!!!!) and somejewiknow (!!!!), CUT IT OUT!! Positively. I mean with your crazy, very exaggerated and totally misplaced name-calling! You are not convincing anybody thus way either — just making people resent or hate your ilk.
none2.0, stop with your apikorsus! If you want to learn something – stay and learn, but stop posting your kefira.
Sensibleyid, I don’t think that most Achronim were Sefadic.
Also, something I should have done before — I do strongly protest against the way none2.0 wrote irreverently while writing about G-d (and le’havdil, his Moshiach).
None2.0, stop with your apikorsus!
Also, none2.0, I do strongly protest your bizayon of The Written Torah!
The Moderatots, why do you allow such denigration of the Torah to be posted here?none2.0, Torah is the morality. You are clearly not an Orthodox Jew. It is clear from the things you say.
Somejewiknow, STOP being motzei seim ra on the Jews. And you are not drawing anybody to your side doing so either — just getting people angry.
Keith, the crazy kanoy just does not like Trump. About him hating conservative values — I have not seen that at all.
Coffee addict, he is not saying the Democrats are good. Are you capable of admitting that Trump is wrong about anything?
Somejewlknow, according to the Rebbe’s seforim one should be taking action to dismantle the state of Israel. So, it is really interesting that his oral statements contradicted that.
Square root, you may not insult the Satmar Rov — he was a big Talmud Chocham. You do not have to follow his shita, but you may not mevaze him.
Square Root, I heard it from one of his sons.
HaKatan, chill out! Do us all a favor.
Yankel Berel, secure Zionism is based on kefira. They deny that the golus and the punishments are min Ha’Shamaim. They say it is all derech ha’teva. And that they can save the Jews by having a strong army and a medina (which is also silly in addition to the apikorsus). And they say that the golus could have been prevented by having a strong army and a strong medinah (shoitim!!).
Ujm, Rav Moshe Feinstein held there was no violation of the 3 shvous because the Nations gave their reshus. Reb Ya’akov also did not agree. AND THE REASON WHY THE OTHER GEDOLIM DID NOT AGREE WITH THE REBBE ABOUT WHAT TO DO le’ma’ase is because THEY DID NOT AGREE WITH HIS SHITTA IN HIS SEFORIM. Stop dreing the kup already and dispute the obvious and well-known. And I am not even talking about Chacham Ovadia who made Shas a part of WZO. ENOUGH already!
Ujm, it is absolutely not true that all the Gedolim agreed with the Satmar Rebbe on the issue.
Menachem Shmei, when other Yidden say “tzaddik” they mean what the Gemora and Medroshim imply — someone who does the right things, does not do aveiros be’meizid (and if, chas ve’sholom, he did derech mikre, he does full teshuvah right away). It is very different from the Tanya’s chiddush of how to define one.
CS, your views on Moshiach are in divergence from what Klal Yisroel held for 2,000 years. You are pushing yourself out of Klal Yisroel!
Number 1, I do moche on the CS’s bizui of the Torah !!! (What she said about learning Nazikin).
Number 2, “there is no public record of the Rebbe doing an aviera…”. That is the proof that he like Dovid ha’Melech killed his yetzer ha’ra (which is the Tanya’s definition of of a tzaddik). Are you for real?!?!Coffee addict, Hitler threatening to use military force against Chechoslovakia did not damage Germany either (at least, not in the short term).
Ujm, she was a part of the crowd trying to break in. It was in heat of the confrontation etc.
Ujm, there was a crowd breaking in, fighting the police. There was pandemonium. Nobody knew how far the rioters were going to go. Some were calling for Pence to be hanged or were looking for Pelosi. She was a part of that crowd.
In fact, the police should have been tougher on them.Ujm, some of them were “on the front lines” fighting the police almost reaching the chamber of the proceedings. This is where she was shot.
Besides, the whole crowd were insurrectionists trying to take over the Capitol.Ujm, those rioters were storming the Capitol intending to subvert the orderly transfer of power, and some threatened to hang Pence. The police were right to shoot!
and how do you like Trump demanding land from other countries?! (And no, he is not allowed to do it according to the Torah — look in Sanhedrin 59A).And it is not a posuk — rather, a ma’amar Chazal.
Happy New year, what are you saying? It does not say that once all the neshomos are out of the guf, Moshiach must come right away. It says he can not come earlier.
Always, what in the world are you talking about?!? I advised you to read a serious history book on the Eastern-European history. Have you followed my advice? By September 17, 1939, there existed only 2 possibilities: either those lands falling under the Nazis or being taken over by the Soviets. There was no third choice. Which hunger are you talking about?!? The hunger happened in 1932-1933.
Stop with your uninformed anti-Russian propaganda.Always, I do not condone the Stalin’s terror, but those territories were majority Ukrainian or Belorussian. Poland unfairly grabbed them after WW1. If the Soviets had not been there, it would have been the Nazis.
Plus, we were just discussing if those areas were a real war zone.EX-Citylawyer, learn the facts. When the USSR forces entered the Ukrainian and Belorussian areas of Poland to prevent them from falling into the German hands, the was not real fighting there as the Polish government ordered their soldiers not to resist the Russians because it was pointless by that time. There were only some skirmishes – not a real war zone. And, for sure, not in the central Ukraine.
HaKatan, before the Zionists the E. Yisroel was a 3rd-world place. Now, it is a first-world place.
Gadol…, cut out your apikorsus – you can’t dismiss a Gemora like that. Also, you misunderstood it. The Gemora says that Torah protects the Talmidei Chachomim themselves. There is another Gemora nearby which says that their Torah provides a degree of protection to others as well. It does not mean, however, that it is guaranteed that nothing can happen to them.
Akuperma, Germans not supporting anti-Hitler conspiracies – a far-off sfeik-sfeik-sfeika argument. When one has no other arguments.
Chaim87, any names of G-d must be spelled with a capital first letter.
DaMoshe, +1!! Do not be fazed by all the krume attacks on you! I do not have time now to help you respond.
Hakatan, STOP twisting things — MOST of the kings of the Malchus Yisroel were self-appointed.
The Zionists caused the Holocaust?!? Yea, right, all the other aveiros were insignificant, but the the Zionism…
And you need to calm down.Hakatan Yerovam was not the worst of them.
Hakatan, most of the malchei Yisroel were self-appointed reshoim. You need to learn NaCh.
And, yes, of course, according to your ideology, it is better to have kings-reshoim from a legitimate dynasty who killed Neviim or attempted to do so than to have Netanyahu.Ujm, let’s be honest — if not for the the Israel’s government money (and the Zionists building up the economy), the kollel system there would not have been able to exist. Let us be honest. Was there such a system in Russia or Poland 150 years ago?!?
LT, a miracle like kriyas Yam Suf?!? Yeh, sure. Obviously, you can’t take this guy seriously. And do re-read my post about ISIS!“The last 75 years saw less Jews killed” than any other period since Churbun — absolutely false! Over 20,000 were murdered. Between 1805 and 1880 it did not happen. Learn the Jewish history!