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Avirah, there are people in Lakewood and other places who know Shas.
Also, there is a Gemora in Nidah 22B which talks about 2 occasions when Chachomim did not know about certain medical metziyus and they asked the doctors for help. According to you, what happened?!? Why did they need the doctors’ explanations?AVirah, it is all in principle in the Torah, it does not not mean every Talmid Chocham ,even in times of Chazal, knew it. And why in the world does thinking that Chazal did not know all the science there is to know make one into an apikores?!?! Is it one of the Yesodos Ha’Emunah? Buddy, there is a Gemora in Nidah that when Chachomim needed to know a certain biological/medical fact they had to rely on what the doctors of their time said!!!
Avirah…, so you are saying that one is obligated to believe that Amoroim knew how to make nuclear bombs, computers etc.?!? I believe it is you who is twisting the sources trying to read things in there which were never meant.
Seichel!!! Becoming a min, a kofer is not serving HKBH!! You show what is wrong with the Chabad approach indeed!!
SEichel, for crying out loud! Azahorah shamanu not to understand those statements literally. The Christians went down that path!
You can love and fear HKBH even without learning Kabbola. And it is better to loose out on a portion of a mitsva than to end being a min!!!Kuvult, the mass immigration of Jews had been restricted from 1924 on.
Sechel83, there are statements in Medroshim and Gemoros which are Kabbola-based.
Gemora in the second perek of Hagiga is very clear that Kabbola is to be studied only by people who meet a number of strict requeirements.
Those who understand the sources that you brought down literally are minim whose wine is yain nesech etc.
Menachem, it is enough Kabbola for people to stumble in as we see here and elsewhere among the the Chabad people.5783, it just shows in plain sight what happens when people who are not holding by it learn Kabbola.
Common siechel (Joe), did the Jews in the times of the Beis Ha’Mikdash or in the times of Rashi insist on wearing shtreimels? If no, why should it be done now? Did they insist on speaking Yiddish in times of Ravina? If not…
1. I moche/protest against the bizoyon of a Talmid Chocham — Rav Sorotzkin!
2 Zeff, have you ever heard of the issur of being united with reshoim?Avirah, their not sleeping in the sukkah has nothing to do with that Ramo. We’ve discussed it here!!
Avirah, not sleeping in the sukkah started with the second Rebbe.
Avira, you are wrong, but I am not going to start a long argument with you.
Avirah, the way they argue it is clear that, at least, sometimes they consider the other shitah plain wrong and not a 70 panim le’Torah.
Why only Or Ha’Haim? And what — a Yid who thinks that is a real apikores?Avirah, that Gemorah talks about Amoroim. Plus, it lav davka implies that his opinion was guided by ruach ha’kodesh. Also, with your understanding of ruach ha’kodesh, how can one ever argue on an opinion of an Achron?
Avirah…, LUbavitch goes with the Ba’al Ha’Tanya’s opinion on shkiyah from his siddur (later in his life) against the psak of his Shulchan Aruch.
Avirah…, how do you know that the Sh”Aruch ha’Rav was written with ruach ha’kodesh?
Emunas, we are a Chazal-defined religion, not an Arizal-defined one.
Also, what is your definition of kesher with H’, and why, according to you, it is possible only through tefilah (at least, in our time)?Emunas, who are these hundreds of Gedolim?
Emunas, that is the shitah of Chabad and Mekubalim, and it is a chiddush. Look what I wrote to CS. Even a statement from Arizal about everybody learning Kabbola can not help against the chashash of the stumbling block. The Shabbtai Zvi and Ya’akov Frank sects and Chabad are primary examples of this concern being fullfilled.
CS, I do not know why you decided to address me with these questions.
As far learning Kabbolah goes, it is okay to do it only for a few select indivduals in Klal Yisroel. Mishna in Hagigah says: “we are not to give over sisrei Torah but only to a wise one who understadns on his own…”. There are other mekoros, and that is the mesorah of the Ashkenaz Jewry. One of the main reasons is the possibility of coming out with a terribly wrong pshat.
I personally have knowledge of Nistar on an introductory level.Menachem…, I did not mean every single mechaber. I meant generally speaking.
Avirah, you are talking about the times of Moshiach, I am talking about olam ha’ze.
Ujm, you do not realize the unbelievable chashivus ascribed by Chabad to the statements of Arizal.
Always, where does it say that in the last week’s parsha?!?
Follow…, taking Section 8 and food stamps by many is chilul H’ and hisgarus be’umos.Menachem…, I wrote what I did because it is accepted by Klal Yisroel – from the Litvishe to Sefardi Mekubalim that Rambam did not learn Kabbolah. Arizal said so (!!), Arizal (!!). I mean which bigger source would Chabad want?
Your sources to the contrary do not appear to be strong. And the Besht argued with the Arizal?!?!CS, Rambam never learnt Kabbola.
Avirah, reality check! By the frumer Litvishe everybody goes to kollel and some do by the Chassidim. It is not a tiny percentage by any means!
OP, Gemora in Eiruvin says that divrei Torah get preserved only in those who are as cruel to their children as a crow (by giving them substandard food).Always, we are not talking about your political preferences, we are talking about da’as Torah. Advising people to move from western Europe to Russia was impractical — you have to know the metzius of the situation.
And, be’chlal, who could have advised anyone to move to Russia in view of the fact that their army would go into Ukraine in 2022?Ujm (Josef’s younger brother), extreme chumros are not beautiful Yidddishe minhagim.
Ba’al ha’Tanya was greater than Rebbi Yochanan ben Zakai?!?!? Another thing which shows what is wrong with Chabad.
Always…, Chofets Chaim ended up beyond the Russian/Soviet borders after the Soviet-Polish war of 1920.Sechel83, “Hashem” must be spelled with a capital H!
Secondly, so, according to Kedushas Ha’Leivi Yirmiyahu ha’Navi was no good (c”v!!)?ARSo, if someone has heretical views, it is not okay to just let it go without challenging them.
Things, exaggerated propaganda.
Nomesorah, #$%@!&*^$%$$###%##!!!!! Okay?
Yabia Omer, DO NOT START UP! Sefardim being Sefardim: who cares if people do aveiros?
Nomesorah, guess what? Some Rishonim hold that conversion to Islam is not “yehareig ve’lo’yavor” as it is not an avodah zorah. Those who hold it is “yehareig…” is because they view conversion to Islam as a kefirah in a part of nevuas Moshe Rabbeinu. Christianity is an avodah zorah for a Jew.
Before writing your posts here, maybe go learn the sugyos.Nomesorah, CHAS VE”SHOLOM!! You are as wrong as wrong can be! Why were Yidden going to be killed instead of accepting Chirstianity?!?!?
ARSo, “Atzmus besoch ha’guf” is a Christian-type heresy.
CS, about the determining who is a tzadik according to the Tanya by talking to him etc.: I am really sorry, but your answer really does not hold water — you can’t tell if a person killed his yetzer ha’ra by talking to him. A person can be on the level to control his yetzer ha’ra and say and do the right things, but it does not mean that he killed it. According to the Tanya’s definition of a tzadik, no one can really tell who he is.
How does one know that a person is a tzadik in the Tanya’s definition? In Shamaim they know, but people?
Menachem…, why do you think Chabad has so many misnagdim, way more than other Chassidic groups?
CS, just because someone accepts responsibility to help every Jew it makes him a Nasi Ha’Dor? This is ridiculous. And then there are many Nsiei Ha’Dor according to your definition. Rav Shach included.
Yankel Berel, but that is the problem — that one may learn the wrong pshat. Also, not many people learn really deep Kabbola.
Menachem…, a big reason why Chazal opposed learning Kabbola by everybody is because of a big hashash michshol! Understand? The Arizal’s heter helps only for the reason that it is kovod Shamaim to keep it hidden. It does not help for the hashash michshoilim!
CS, the Yidden believed that Moshe Rabbeinu was a real messenger of Ha”SHEm, a real novi.
Nomesorah, stop with your shtussim. The problem with the Christians was not that they stopped observing Halochah. The main problem was that they believe(d) that Yoshke is a part of G-d. That’s why it is considered an Avodah Zorah. That is why Yidden throughout the ages would rather die than accept their faith. These are basic, well-known facts of the Jewish law and Jewish history.
So, all the Chabaniks here, what is the problem with Christianity? Why did the GR”A put Chassidim into cheirem?
After reading your statements I came to realize that Chabad is a much bigger mess than I had thought.Ujm, Noam Elimelech was. As far as the other mekoros go, were you asleep all this time? I did write that there are statements, especially in sifrei Kabbola, which can be misunderstood that way. And that’s why most people should not be learning Kabbola.
Menachem…, you mentioned a whole number of Chassidishe Rebbes in your list. Well, the GR”A was afraid that the Chassidim would make their Rebbes into avoda zorah.