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July 9, 2023 6:59 pm at 6:59 pm in reply to: Question of an ignorant, closed-minded Lubavitcher #2206822Menachem ShmeiParticipant
Jude,
I thought this was originally clear, but I will oversimplify:
When I mentioned Torah, my point was NOT to say that using the term “rebbe” has the halachic ramifications of discussing Torah. My point was that it’s not only Hashem’s name which is prohibited from mentioning in mikvah, but other holy things as well.
Therefore, when a chossid doesn’t use the term “rebbe” in mikvah (although many do), it isn’t chas v’shalom because he deifies the Rebbe. It is because he feels a special sanctity when mentioning the title of the tzaddik that he’s personally connected to, so he feels uncomfortable mentioning it in unholy places.
This isn’t some sort of new shtik in Lubavitch. See for example the notes of Frierdiker Rebbe describing the chassidim of the Tzemach Tzedek, through the eyes of one of the maskilim of the time (Mordechai Aharon Ginzberg) who tried to infiltrate Chabad (רשימות אדמו”ר הריי”צ – אדמו”ר הצ”צ ותנועת ההשכלה):
לא אירע אשר אחת הנשים – המספרות – הזכירה את שם הרבי טרם נטלה ידי’ וקנחה אותם בסינורה או באלונטית!
הדרת הכבוד והמורא מהרבי מושרש אצלם בעומק נפשם ועל כל צעד וצעד יזכירו את הרבי וכל הגה הנאמר בשמו של הרבי, בלי
הבדל אם נוגע בנפש או בממון, קדוש הוא להם ומקיימים במסירת נפש.Loose translation:
“The women never mention the name of the Rebbe before washing and scrubbing their hands.
The fear of the Rebbe is rooted deeply in the chassidim, and they mention the Rebbe regarding every step they take. Anything said in the Rebbe’s name, whether regarding their spiritual life or monetary matters, is holy to them and they fulfill it with mesirus nefesh.”If you want to accuse Chabad of AZ (ח”ו וח”ו) for giving too much respect to his name – you’ll have to go all the way up to the Tzemach Tzedek.
Menachem ShmeiParticipantInteresting experiment:
I wonder what would happen if someone would post a controversial taanah on four Moshiach threads at once.
Would the rebutters respond the same response on all the threads as well?And would the rest of the conversation continue with four copies until someone breaks the chain?
Hmm…
July 9, 2023 10:39 am at 10:39 am in reply to: Question of an ignorant, closed-minded Lubavitcher #2206646Menachem ShmeiParticipant>>>It’s not normal for yeshiva bochrim to use slurs about other types of yidden. That’s not “kid’s being kid’s.” That’s a serious problem that your community needs to address. Also, if no adults ever use it, then where do the kids learn it? They re-invent the word every generation?
I agree with most of what you wrote (that even bochurim should be talking respectfully etc.) but not with this: “That’s a serious problem that your community needs to address.”
This is not a problem specific to our community. I refer you to the parentheses in my earlier post, which I’d rather not go into.
אין להאריך בדבר המבהיל והמצערJuly 9, 2023 10:38 am at 10:38 am in reply to: Question of an ignorant, closed-minded Lubavitcher #2206643Menachem ShmeiParticipantCorrection: not all letter and sichos (sometimes it is ה’תש”י) but it is quite common
July 9, 2023 10:38 am at 10:38 am in reply to: Question of an ignorant, closed-minded Lubavitcher #2206642Menachem ShmeiParticipant>>>Only G-d’s name may not be uttered in the bathhouse.
And any words of Torah. You can’t mention a simple halacha in mikva even without mentioning Hashem’s name due to the holiness of Torah.
Likewise, some people may feel uncomfortable mentioning “rebbe” (title for a holy man) in the mikva. Most Lubavitchers do mention him there, some don’t. This has nothing to do with deifying ch”v.It’s crazy to see the lengths that people will go to imply the completely fabricated deification ch”v.
I once heard a “shiur” from David Bar-Hayim on the “issues” with Chabad. When he quotes a sicha, he points out that the date is printed as אחש”פ השי”ת – which he claims is implying that chassidim are calling the Rebbe השי”ת.
This ignorance would be amusing if it wouldn’t be accusing a group of Yidden of Avodah Zorah ch”v. In all letters and seforim of the Rebbe and his father in law, the year 5710 is referred to as השי”ת (swapping around the letters ה’תש”י). Just as the Rebbe refers to 5744 as תשד”מ and 5751 as תנש”א etc.
July 7, 2023 8:52 am at 8:52 am in reply to: Question of an ignorant, closed-minded Lubavitcher #2206302Menachem ShmeiParticipant“If you loved misnagdim you wouldn’t call them snags”
Regarding your obsession with this “snag” illusion, I feel the need to emphasize once again:
The term snag is rarely heard in Chabad. It is used mainly by immature bochurim in yeshiva, and I’ve never heard the word said by an adult.
Most adults who don’t hang out with young bochurim or online don’t even know the term.(Talking about immature bochurim, I will refrain from getting into the filthy curses heard from the mouths of countless Yiddishe bochurim and children (as young as 9-10 years old! – chassidish and litvish alike) toward Lubavitchers during joint summer camp trips and the like.
בדידי הוה עובדא, וכו”כ פעמים. ואין להאריך בדבר המבהיל)Non-chassidim are usually referred to as “litvishers” or “olamishers”.
If addressing a non-Lubavitcher who attacks Chabad, they are usually referred to as “misnaged”.I don’t know why you are so obsessed with this fabrication that Lubavitchers call them snags.
As I’ve said before, this is a machlokes b’metzius. I think that as a Lubavitcher I would know the metzius better.Menachem ShmeiParticipantAAQ,
This is from the Frierdiker Rebbe’s personal diary describing the arrest by the G.P.U. in Sivan 5687-1927 (רשימת המאסר):
ראשונה הלכו לחדר בנותי מ’ חי’ מוסיא ושיינא יחיו, לבקר בשם וידרשו מאתם לאמר להם: מאיזה פּאַרטיע המה, ויענו כי הם בהפּאַרטיע של אביהם, בנות ישראל בעזפּאַרטיינע [בלתי מפלגתית], מחבבי ארחות ישראל סבא, ממאסים בשאיפות החדשות. מפני מה? — נשמע קול נחמנסאָהן בשאלת תמהון — מפני מה — ענתה בתי שיינא תחי’ — מפני מה אינני מחויבת להשיב לכם, אתם שואלים איך היא השקפתי, ועל זה עניתי לכם ועל שאלת מפני מה אינני מחויבת לענות או לתת טעמים על
השקפתי, כי הלא לא לשם דיסקוסיא באתם לבקר את כתביי ואגרותיי.They first went to search the room of my daughters Chaya Moussia and Shaina and asked them: “Which party do you belong to?”
They answered that they were “members of our father’s party, apolitical Jewish women who hold dear Jewish traditions and despise the new trends.”Menachem ShmeiParticipantAvira,
Great points about Sheva mitzvos and לתקן עולם
Allow me to add the halacha ruled by the Rambam in hilchos melachim:
וְכֵן צִוָּה משֶׁה רַבֵּנוּ מִפִּי הַגְּבוּרָה לָכֹף אֶת כָּל בָּאֵי הָעוֹלָם לְקַבֵּל מִצְוֹת שֶׁנִּצְטַוּוּ בְּנֵי נֹחַTo answer er,
The reason this wasn’t practiced throughout the generations was because for most of history Yidden weren’t exactly on talking terms with goyim…Menachem ShmeiParticipantI think jackk said it perfectly!
The democrat and republican parties were both not founded according to Torah (shebiksav, and certainly not shebaal peh) so they cannot be the perfect Jewish view.
On the other hand, there are obviously various aspects of both parties that align with Torah (this can even be said of communism, totalitarianism, etc.), and its possible that at times one party will align more than the other.
When the previous Lubavitcher Rebbe was being arrested in the USSR in 1937, the KGB asked his daughters which political party they affiliate themselves.
They didn’t say democracy or capitalism. They said they belong to their father’s party, which is the party of Hashem and the Torah.
If only all frum people would speak this way today.
Menachem ShmeiParticipantCommon,
Please, this is completely out of context.
Why would you bring up a random post from the height of the covid debate in 2021 here in this thread?
(It didn’t even have to do with the vaccine. Chanie315 actually agreed with the vaccine. They were arguing about the severity of the virus).This is just asking for an argument. And in a sinas chinam thread.
Come on.Menachem ShmeiParticipantCommon,
I didn’t take the shot, but why bring up old fights in this thread?
Menachem ShmeiParticipant>>>There is NO INDICATION WHATSOEVER regarding a Rav , Rebbe or R’Ys Shitah re Chabad , when it comes to their theology because of 2 reasons…
I assume that you are referring to the Rav Hutner discussion, which you are taking completely out of context.
I was not trying to say that Rav Hutner holds of Lubavitch. Frankly, it makes as much of a difference to me as it would make a difference to you if the Lubavitcher Rebbe holds of Rav Hutner.The correspondents of Rav Hutner was brought in response to avira’s post:
“And i was waiting for someone to mention putting on tefillin once as an example of returning jews to Torah. It isn’t. Because, as rav hutner explained, the rishonim are clear that in order for a mitzva to count, even according to the opinion that mitzvos don’t require kavanah, one must believe in their existence and be aware of their existence, otherwise it’s a maysoh kof b’alma….”It’s absurd to claim that Rav Hutner was against mivtzah tefillin without knowing the lengthy correspondence where he asks the Rebbe all of his questions. He also writes that he made sure not to go public with his opinion, etc. It’s also interesting to note the sensitivity he uses in his argument.
To ignore these letters and just claim (or imply) that Rav Hutner was against mivtzah tefllin is burying your head in the sand.July 4, 2023 2:36 pm at 2:36 pm in reply to: Does ‘giving land to Arabs’ not make things worse? #2205554Menachem ShmeiParticipant>>>Does ‘giving land to Arabs’ not make things worse?
It does.
It’s a clear ruling in Shulchan Aruch OC siman 329:
עכו”ם שצרו על עיירות ישראל אם באו על עסק ממון אין מחללין עליהם את השבת באו על עסק נפשות ואפי’ סתם יוצאים עליהם בכלי זיין ומחללים עליהם את השבת ובעיר הסמוכה לספר אפילו לא באו אלא על עסקי תבן וקש מחללין עליהם את השבת: הגה ואפילו לא באו עדיין אלא רוצים לבא
Regarding non-Jews who besiege Jewish cities: if they come for money, we do not desecrate the Shabbat [to protect ourselves], but if they came to kill or come with no presented reason, we go out with weapons and desecrate the Shabbat. In a city that is near the border, EVEN IF THEY JUST COME FOR STRAW OR HAY, we desecrate the Shabbat. Rem”a: Even if they haven’t come but they want to come.
Mishna Berurah:
(יד) לספר וכו’ – עיר שמבדלת בין גבול שישראל דרים בה לגבול העו”ג וחיישינן שאם ילכדוה משם תהא הארץ נוחה ליכבש לפניהם:Menachem ShmeiParticipant@yungermanS,
Thanks for the inspiration. Hopefully we’ll indeed succeed in uniting despite our opposing views, and bring Moshiach.
@amiricanyeshivish,
❤️😂Menachem ShmeiParticipantGoldilocks,
Description from Women of the Wall website:
“As Women of the Wall, our central mission is to attain social and legal recognition of our right, as women, to wear prayer shawls, pray, and read from the Torah, collectively and aloud, at the Western Wall.”i.e. Their mission is to wage a war against Hashem Himself by publicly going against His will as it is manifested in halacha.
And all this – in the holiest place in the world – the place where the Shechina rests! ר”ל ר”ל
May this abomination be obliterated immediately.As a Lubavitcher, I follow the path of the Chabad rabbeim of being mekarev every Yid, even those with the status of מורידין ולא מעלין (See Likkutei Sichos vol. 2 pg. 620).
As the Gemara says: יתמו חטאים ולא חוטאיםWhile I wouldn’t hate Women of the Wall (since they are Jewish), and I would try to be mekarev them, their actions are definitely deplorable.
Menachem ShmeiParticipantThe Rebbe Rashab has a very sharp maamar know as החלצו תרנ”ט where he discusses the concept of sinas chinam at length and how to rid oneself of it.
This was particularly hard for me to learn because it so aptly describes the the relationship I have with some people, and the struggle of overcoming these feelings. I’m still working to rid myself of this sinas chinam.
Here are some excerpts:
שנאת-חינם היא, שאחד שונא את חברו סתם כך, על לא-דבר. לפעמים הוא ממציא טענה כלשהי, מדוע הוא שונאו, אבל אין זו אלא תואנה ועלילה להצדיק את שנאתו. הסיבה האמיתית היא – ישותו העצמית, שאינה מניחה מקום לזולתו. חשוב הוא בעיני עצמו, ולכן הזולת ממעט את מציאותו.…
כל אחד בונה במה לעצמו, בתורה ובעבודה, על-פי דעתו ושכלו דווקא, ואין אחד מתאחד ומתחבר עם רעהו. כל אחד מבטל את הטוב שבעבודת חברו, וכל חיסרון שימצא בה – יגדיל וירחיב עשרת מונים (אף אם אינו אלא חיצוני, שאינו נוגע בגוף ובעצם עבודתו). התנהגות זו מעידה ששונא הוא את חברו בליבו ואינו חפץ כלל בטובתו. ומהי הסיבה לשנאה זו? ישותו והרגשת עצמו, או בלשון אחרת: העדר הביטול והעדר הנחת עצמותו
Menachem ShmeiParticipantSquare,
Well said, you took the words out of my mouth.
July 3, 2023 10:12 am at 10:12 am in reply to: Problem with Melech HaMashiach from the Dead #2205067Menachem ShmeiParticipant>>>Re, rav hutner; I’d trust what his talmidim say over online people…
Great. You still refuse to check the written correspondence – a mouseclick away. You would rather trust word of mouth as long as it’s hateful. And then you wonder why people call it “chinam”…
Go ahead, bury your head in the sand.July 2, 2023 5:29 pm at 5:29 pm in reply to: Question of an ignorant, closed-minded Lubavitcher #2204947Menachem ShmeiParticipant>>>The problem I have with Chabad is that you look at yourselves as the chosen people within the Chosen People
Hated people within the hated people.
(Reform hate them for being too frum, litvish – for being too frei.
Mizrachim hate them for being anti-zionism (which they are), Satmar – for being zionist. etc. etc.
Sounds familiar?)(BTW, all the above is על דרך הצחות)
>>>Menachem appears to be highly allergic to this question.
Allergic? I’ve already explained several times why I’m not interested in answering your question.
This is not evasion. This is refusal.
If you don’t understand, no problem.
I would say that you are more obsessed with this question than I am allergic.Menachem ShmeiParticipant>>>Lubavitch information flat out spreads falsities about what gedolim said about Lubavitch.
I can say the same about Chaim Berlin.
Most people’s words can’t be blindly trusted for the fear of bias.That’s why I posted a link with written correspondence between the two gedolim. The letters speak for themselves (unless you are afraid of forgeries. Though if you look at chabadpedia you can find the original letters of Rav Hutner with the Rebbe’s handwritten response).
As usual, you would rather argue about facts without checking them despite them being a Google search away (whereas taking a trip to chaim berlin is very impractical for me). This seems like cowardice to me.
July 2, 2023 10:47 am at 10:47 am in reply to: Problem with Melech HaMashiach from the Dead #2204870Menachem ShmeiParticipant>>>Lubavitchers make lots of claims about how gedolim viewed their rebbe; if you want to know what rav hutner held of him, talk to a chaim berlin person.
Or: Read the aforementioned correspondence (google: anash correspondence Rebbe Rav Hutner) and see for yourself their relationship. Also, you will see there the status of Rav Hutner’s “hisnagdus” to mivtzah tefillin.
June 30, 2023 9:42 am at 9:42 am in reply to: Chabad Inspires all Jews to Yearn for Mashiach #2204578Menachem ShmeiParticipant>>>The Vilna Gaon is who people refer to when saying “The Gaon”. The Rogotchover I don’t believe is ever referred to by that title, he’s always “The Rogotchover Rebbe”.
In Chabad also “the Gaon” refers to the Vilna Gaon, though he is usually referred to as Vilna Gaon or Gra.
I’ve never heard anyone refer to the Rogatchover as “the Gaon” but neither is he called “rebbe”.
I think he is universally called “the Rogatchover gaon” or הגאון הרוגצ’ובי
Menachem ShmeiParticipant>>>a leader of [hi]s generation … has to be accepted by virtually all of klal yisroel”
Something to think about:
Was Moshe the Jewish leader because every Yid cared about and respected him, or because he cared for every Yid?
June 30, 2023 9:41 am at 9:41 am in reply to: Question of an ignorant, closed-minded Lubavitcher #2204575Menachem ShmeiParticipantThanks everyone for your level-headed insights.
Lots of food for thought to chew over…
June 25, 2023 4:20 pm at 4:20 pm in reply to: Is there a greater meaning to the Titan accident? #2202975Menachem ShmeiParticipant>>>I don’t know which is worse
Making fun is worse. It’s not nice to make fun of death.
On the other hand, looking at everything through the lenses of how it affects Yidden is a very good thing, as Avira wrote.
I’ll add to Avira that not only is everything that HAPPENS in the world for the Yidden, but the very existence of the world is only for the Yidden.
As Rashi writes on the first posuk:
בראשית – בשביל ישראל ובשביל התורה שנקראו ראשיתMenachem ShmeiParticipantProblem #4886 with Lubavitch:
There is a Lubavitcher who doesn’t know who Reb Shamshon Refael Hirsch is.Another reason to put them in cherem.
Menachem ShmeiParticipantRULES OF THE YWN COFFEEROOM (updated):
There shall be (at least) two threads about Lubavitch-Moshiach running at at every given moment.
If a day passes without this discussion, the CR will automatically be shut down forever.
Thanks for understanding.
June 13, 2023 1:14 am at 1:14 am in reply to: Chabad Inspires all Jews to Yearn for Mashiach #2199181Menachem ShmeiParticipantCorrection to my previous post:
The Shulchan Aruch says ואינו מנהג
(Nasty spell check)mdd1,
Please explain why all attack Chabad for דוקא being נוהג like an accepted leniency, while I have yet to see anyone attack the chassidish velt (and many litvishers) for going AGAINST the halacha in Shulchan Aruch and Mishnah Brurah.Again, Shulchan Aruch mentions the minhag of not sleeping in the Sukkah and supports it (albeit בדיעבד), while it mentions the Shmini Atzeres minhag and CONDEMNS it!
I am not chas v’shalom pushing to attack anyone’s minhagim. I think every yid should follow the mesorah from his rabbeim and the tzaddikim of previous generations.
I am just upset by the blatant double standard.
If it’s a mesorah from the Baal Shem Tov passed down by polisher chassidim – it is welcomed with open arms.
If it’s a mesorah from the Mitteler Rebbe (during the times of the Baal HaTanya) passed down by Chabad rabbeim – it is “akiras mitzvos” (ח”ו עפ”ל)!June 12, 2023 9:36 pm at 9:36 pm in reply to: Chabad Inspires all Jews to Yearn for Mashiach #2199121Menachem ShmeiParticipantI’m shocked by those who attack Chabad for not sleeping in Sukkah, yet defend not eating on Shmino Atzeres.
Regarding sleeping the Shulchan Aruch says that today most are נוהג not to sleep, and give a few reasons. Chabad explains another reason according to our mesorah from the Mitteler Rebbe.
Regarding eating in the Sukkah on Shmini Atzeres, the Shulchan Aruch writes that there are those who don’t eat on Shmini Atzeres ואנחנו מנהג – This is NOT A MINHAG!
There is no classic halachic source for not eating in Sukkah on Shmini Atzeres other than a mesorah from the Baal Shem Tov (which, btw is not accepted in Chabad) yet everyone is fine with that.
The vina gaon writes that one who doesn’t sleep in the Sukkah on Shmini Atzeres is chayav misah for violating divrei sofrim.
Certainly so regarding eating!The anti chabad bias is clear as day.
Menachem ShmeiParticipantSquare,
Your disrespect is shocking. If the topic doesn’t interest you, don’t post.
This fast is brought in Magen Avraham (או”ח סו”ס תקפה)
נוהגין להתענות עשרים בסיום בכל מלכות פוליןEven for those who don’t fast, it is a day that can be spent in teshuva and introspection. Davening for the end to our suffering in golus and the coming of Moshiach.
See Sefer Hasichos 5751 vol. 2 pg. 611
June 8, 2023 10:18 pm at 10:18 pm in reply to: Chabad Inspires all Jews to Yearn for Mashiach #2198168Menachem ShmeiParticipant>>>This language was removed from subsequent prints.
This is a lie. There is no edition missing these words, because Lubavitch has no need to cover this up.
Since this has been discussed at great length hundreds of times in the CR, it is pointless to rehash.
June 8, 2023 5:06 pm at 5:06 pm in reply to: Chabad Inspires all Jews to Yearn for Mashiach #2198093Menachem ShmeiParticipantInteresting point: Here is a quote from the Rebbe a few days after he said the sicha about sleeping in the sukkah (Shabbos Bereishis 5730):
איך האב געהערט א גירסא בשמי אז איך האב געזאגט אז מען טאר ניט שלאפן אין סוכה – איז דאס בפירוש ניט אמת, ואדרבה: דער וואס וויל – זאל שלאפן געזונטערהייט, ושכבת וערבה שנתיך, און עס זאל זיך אים חלום’ן גוטע חלומות וכו’, און קיינער זאל אים ניט שטערן. דאס וואס איך האב גערעדט, איז געווען אויף פארענטפערן מנהג רבותינו וכו’, ומנהג חב”ד, אויף ניט שלאפןJune 8, 2023 4:01 pm at 4:01 pm in reply to: Chabad Inspires all Jews to Yearn for Mashiach #2198083Menachem ShmeiParticipantDaMoshe, mdd1
If you also think Shulchan Aruch Harav and the Mitteler Rebbe are “oker Torah” (ח”ו עפ”ל) then we indeed have absolutely no שפה משותפת (neither do you have with most bnei Torah of this generation or previous ones).
June 8, 2023 3:33 pm at 3:33 pm in reply to: Chabad Inspires all Jews to Yearn for Mashiach #2198077Menachem ShmeiParticipant>>>the mitteler did not admonish people for sleeping in the sukkah. the way everyone else has the story, his statement of “how can I sleep….” was said regarding himself, to explain his own practice of not sleeping in a sukkah.
Avira, you are obviously only interested in picking fights. You continue to argue and lie in order to bring out your point, and you refuse to check any sources I gave you to see if you are factually correct.
This is the quote from the Frierdiker Rebbe:
פעם אחד סיפרו לאדמו”ר האמצעי שאברכים ישנים בסוכה, האט ער – אדמו”ר האמצעי – זיי געגעבן דם אמת’ן חלק, ואמר: שלאפן אין מקיף, מילא לערנען אין מקיף הרי זה דחק ונכנס, אבער שלאפן אין מקיף?! עיי”שJune 7, 2023 5:22 pm at 5:22 pm in reply to: Chabad Inspires all Jews to Yearn for Mashiach #2197648Menachem ShmeiParticipant>>> most jews did not sleep in a sukkah in Europe. The mitteler rebbe had a valid, normal halachik heter not to.
Again, you obviously only learned the sicha from those who seek to twist the Rebbe’s words, but not the original. This is like arguing about pshat in a Rashi without learning the Gemara!
Lubavitchers are extremely machmir in Sukkah, not even taking a sip of water outside of the Sukkah when it’s pouring rain. Yet, when it came to sleeping in the Sukkah, Chabad was never machmir. This, the Rebbe points out, is very strange.
The Rebbe brings a story (told (and printed) by the Frierdiker Rebbe – Sukkos 5699) that the Mitteler Rebbe (who was appointed by his father – the baal hatanya – to lead the younger chassidim during his own lifetime) admonished the yungeleit for sleeping in the Sukkah “ווי קען מען שלאפן אין מקיפים דבינה”.
The Rebbe then supports this minhag on a halachic basis. The Rebbe is not being mechadesh a new minhag, rather being מיישב a minhag of several generations.
***>>> and no, there’s no reference to look at tzafnas paneach or other seforim from the rogotchover.
I’m not exactly sure what you’re referring to, maybe something earlier in the posts?
Anyway, there are two points in the sicha which are based on the Rogotchover, and of course, both are clearly referenced in the footnotes:
Seif daled discusses Tzofnas Paneach on the Rambam הלכות סוכה פ”ו ה”ב.
Footnote 63 discusses Tzofnas Paneach מהד”ת כה, רע”ג.
***>>>where is the source for not washing for shalosh seudos? It just doesn’t exist. He was mechadesh these things
You asked a question, yet decided the answer on your own.
The Frierdiker Rebbe mentions several times in his sichos that minhag Chabad (and the minhag of the baal hatanya, mitteler rebbe, tzemach tzedek, etc.) is not to be קובע סעודה for seuda shlishis, rather to eat a small snack.
See סה”ש אדמו”ר מהוריי”צ תש”ב ע’ 29, and more.
Also, Hayom Yom 22 Adar Beis, the Frierdiker Rebbe says:
אאמו”ר כותב באחד ממאמריו: הא דסעודה שלישית היום לא גו’, היינו שאין צריך פת, אבל צריך לטעום איזה דברThe Rebbe is מיישב (not מחדש) this minhag halachically in Likkutei Sichos. That’s it.
https://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14944&pgnum=97P.S. Sorry for writing so long, but really much more should be written to defend כבוד התורה.
Honestly, the sichos speak for themselves and my explanations are unnecessary, but it seems that no one is interested in looking in the originals despite them being widely available online, so I feel the need to provide the general ענינים.
I encourage everyone to read the truth for themselves in the original seforim before reading them in books whose entire purpose is to be מזייף ומסלף the holy words of tzaddikim.
The amount of nonsense and lies on every page of על התורה ועל התמורה is endless.June 7, 2023 5:22 pm at 5:22 pm in reply to: Chabad Inspires all Jews to Yearn for Mashiach #2197650Menachem ShmeiParticipant>>>the rise of people openly saying “boreinu” in their yechi liturgy..
Throughout my life of meeting and talking to thousands of fellow lubavitchers, many of whom are quite diverse in their beliefs, I have only met ONE Lubavitcher who espouses this heresy, and he is a know yungerman who is shunned by all.
The very notion that this is a “group of people” that is “on the rise” is a vicious slander.
June 7, 2023 11:05 am at 11:05 am in reply to: Chabad Inspires all Jews to Yearn for Mashiach #2197146Menachem ShmeiParticipant>>>you’re mixing up the books that Wolbe wrote. He received a haskama on yechi hamelech
This happens to be irrelevant to the point I’m trying to make, that it’s ridiculous to learn a sefer from it’s attacker.
However, I am not sure you’re right. Unfortunately I don’t have the sefer at my disposal, but according to my research it seems that he did give a haskamah to Yedaber Sholom. Rabbi Wolpo references it in his second volume.
>>>He “proves” from the gemara about rebbe hillel, that moshiach won’t come, but rather Hashem will redeem us Himself
Which page? I went through the entire Yechi Hamelech (also using otzar hachochma search) and couldn’t find it.
This is also surprising, since the Rebbe often brings and supports the Chasam Sofer that anyone who holds like R’ Hillel is כופר בכלל התורה.
June 7, 2023 10:18 am at 10:18 am in reply to: Chabad Inspires all Jews to Yearn for Mashiach #2197149Menachem ShmeiParticipant>>>The Lubavitcher rebbe would have to prove to us that the rogotchover said it
Happens to be, the Rebbe is extremely careful to source every single quote in Likkutei Sichos. You will never find him quoting anyone without a footnote and source.
One of the wonderful things about על התורה ועל התמורה is that they often show pictures of Sichos but they cut out all the sources, so you shouldn’t chas v’shalom see that most of what they attack is just direct quotes from other places in Torah.
How many people know that the minhag Chabad of not sleeping in the Sukkah or not eating bread for Shalosh Seudos have nothing to do with the seventh Rebbe, and have been part of Chabad minhagim since the baal hatanyah?
The Rebbe’s sichos source all these things from the Frierdiker Rebbe’s seforim, the tzemach tzedek, etc.
Al Hatorah conveniently hides these facts to make it look as if the Rebbe was mechadeshMenachem ShmeiParticipantNeville,
We have reached the stage of מחלוקת במציאותJune 6, 2023 5:20 pm at 5:20 pm in reply to: Chabad Inspires all Jews to Yearn for Mashiach #2196867Menachem ShmeiParticipantAvira,
Learning Likkutei Sichos from על התורה is like learning Avi Ezri from Yedaber Sholom
(the difference being that Yedaber Sholom is more lomdish with less attacking (nevertheless, the Rebbe forbade Rabbi Wolpo from printing another volume), and has haskamos from Rav Moshe Feinstein, the Gerrer Rebbe, Rav Grusman, Rav Weiss (Eida Hachareidis), Rav Ovadia Yosef, etc.)Additionally, על התורה is obviously extremely one-sided, perfect for people looking for clickbait to attack Chabad.
Anyone honest would (in addition to learning the Rebbe’s Sichos in the original) also read books that oppose the claims in Al Hatorah.
If you have an otzar hachachma, see הוגה בתורה which tears apart all the taanos brought in על התורה.
קבל את האמת ממי שאמרוMenachem ShmeiParticipant>>>The old guard in Chabad is very strict to never use terms like “Litvisher” or “yeshivish,” or anything non-offensive, so they simply aren’t aware of them.
What a lie. I have never heard the term “snag” from anyone’s mouth other than immature bochurim and online posters (היינו הך?)
All older people (yungeleit, mashpiim, teachers, baaleibatim, etc.) refer as veltishe/litvishe, or “misnagdim” if referring to someone who is attacking Chabad.The average Chabad adult who doesn’t hang out online or with bochurim doesn’t even know what a snag is!!
This is just more anti chabad slander.
Menachem ShmeiParticipantAvira,
My point was that when it comes to the midrash, you look in mefarshim to understand what it meant.
When it comes to a sicha, you refuse to even open up the sicha itself and see what it says, let alone ask someone learned in these subjects to explain it properly (excluding those in the CR. Online discussions just go in circles.)You hear that the Rebbe quoted a Midrash, and suddenly it’s kefirah!?
And your Rambam problem is even more ridiculous.
What kind of lomdus is this? Imagine you hear a chiddush of a rosh yeshiva, and you are told that he discusses how it fits with a Rambam, yet you are stubborn that “it’s impossible to explain it any other way” without even taking a peek at his explanation!Did you check the link I sent? Did you look at seif daled:
“לכאורה קען מען אויף דערויף פרעגן: דעם רמב”ם פסק’נט: אלו שכותבין מבפנים…”???Did you see that the Rebbe’s original statement (which seems to contradict the Rambam) was based on a diyuk in the ב”ח and the טור?
You would rather “refute” what the Rebbe said without seeing it.
If this isn’t called burying your head in the sand, I don’t know what is.Menachem ShmeiParticipant>>>his outlandish statement that a mezuzah is a shmirah without it being a mitzvah – this is something that likely falls under the rambams classification of using a mezuzah like a kamayah, which he says makes one lose their share in olam haba.
The Rebbe’s statement about mezuzah is taken from an entire pilpul of the Rebbe on THIS VERY Rambam, where the Rebbe discusses this very question, in connection with a ב”ח and a טור, etc.
Did you look up that sicha to see how the Rebbe explains the Rambam???
Find me one other rosh yeshiva whose shiurim are refuted by people who don’t even learn them, using sources that he himself brings and explains. What a chutzpah!
See the full sicha here:
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14942&st=&pgnum=134>>>The author also shows something else that’s probably kefirah; in likutei sichos, the Lubavitcher rebbe says that Moshe was only taught the klalim of Torah shebaal peh, and not the pratim… because of a kasha….how could he have learned it all in 40 days; I’m shocked at the arrogance of this kasha – it was Hashem teaching! And Moshe was the talmid! What limit on Hashem’s teaching ability can there be? It’s also against open chazals
This “statement of the Rebbe” which you call “kefira” (ח”ו עפ”ל) actually happens be a direct quote from Shmos Rabbah:
וְכִי כָּל הַתּוֹרָה לָמַד משֶׁה, כְּתִיב בַּתּוֹרָה “אֲרֻכָּה מֵאֶרֶץ מִדָּהּ וּרְחָבָה מִנִּי יָם”, וּלְאַרְבָּעִים יוֹם לְמָדָהּ משֶׁה?! אֶלָּא כְּלָלִים לִמְדָהוּ הקב”ה לְמשֶׁה.The same is with all the other attacks. They come from pulling one-liners out of long and complex shiurim.
If you hate someone who has thousands of pages of pilpulim and chidushim, it is very easy to find a few lines and statements that sound strange when taken out of context and feed them to the ignorant public to help stoke the flames of machlokes.
This is called לימוד התורה לקנטר ר”ל.If anyone wants to be intellectually honest, look into the Rebbe’s sichos yourself, they’re all available on HeberewBooks.
Or, ask a Lubavitcher to direct you to some. You may be surprised.Menachem ShmeiParticipant>>>the only maamar i need to know is that he thought that a rebbe is the essence of god wrapped in a body. It doesn’t matter to me what other ideas or teachings he had, or how much Torah knowledge he had.
That’s like saying that all you need to know about Zohar is that it says “who is the face of the Master Havayeh? This is Rabbi Shimon bar yochai”
Or: all you need to know about the Yerushalmi is that it says “Havayeh in His holy chamber – this is R’ Elazar in the Beis Midrash”
Or about Midrash rabbah: “Moshe from his top half is Elokim and from his bottom half human”
Do you disregard all these seforim immediately (chas v’shalom) because you found a statement that you don’t understand, or do you look into the context to try and understand it better?
Menachem ShmeiParticipant>>>It was expected in Chabad that you accepted whatever he said. No one asked him kashes on it
Complete ignorance.
Lubavitch yeshivos around the world printed (and continue to print) weekly or monthly kovtzim where they discuss, explain, and ASK QUESTIONS on the Rebbe’s Sichos (in addition to pilpulim in shas and poskim).
The Rebbe often discussed the questions that were asked in the kovtzim, and clarified and answered.
Instead of arguing if the Rebbe is “known” for lomdus, open his seforim and see for yourself.
Unless you’re not interested in honest discussion, feel free to put your head in the sand.
Menachem ShmeiParticipant>He is also committed to correcting some of the outright lies often repeated, examples include: the Rebbe having studied at the Sorbonne
I haven’t read Deutsch’s book, but he would have to prove that Lubavitchers forged the Rebbe’s handwriting in two different places in the Sorbonne registration book in 1937 & 1938.
Highly unlikely.Google “in the halls of the Sorbonne”
Minute 4:00 of the videoMenachem ShmeiParticipantAvira,
What you say is interesting.
If you look online, you will also see some lubavitchers at the parade putting tefillin on people, even though the Lubavitcher Rebbe forbade lubavitchers from being anywhere in the proximity even for the purpose of mivtzoim, lest it be seen as giving a hechsher for Zionism, chas v’shalom.
Menachem ShmeiParticipantYumgermanS,
The world you describe is what we are indeed waiting for every moment of the day – Yemos Hamoshiach.
As the Rambam writes in the final halacha of Mishneh Torah:
וּבְאוֹתוֹ הַזְּמַן לֹא יִהְיֶה שָׁם לֹא רָעָב וְלֹא מִלְחָמָה. וְלֹא קִנְאָה וְתַחֲרוּת. שֶׁהַטּוֹבָה תִּהְיֶה מֻשְׁפַּעַת הַרְבֵּה. וְכָל הַמַּעֲדַנִּים מְצוּיִין כֶּעָפָר. וְלֹא יִהְיֶה עֵסֶק כָּל הָעוֹלָם אֶלָּא לָדַעַת אֶת ה’ בִּלְבַד. וּלְפִיכָךְ יִהְיוּ יִשְׂרָאֵל חֲכָמִים גְּדוֹלִים וְיוֹדְעִים דְּבָרִים הַסְּתוּמִים וְיַשִּׂיגוּ דַּעַת בּוֹרְאָם כְּפִי כֹּחַ הָאָדָם. שֶׁנֶּאֱמַר (ישעיה יא, ט) “כִּי מָלְאָה הָאָרֶץ דֵּעָה אֶת ה’ כַּמַּיִם לַיָּם מְכַסִּים”:Menachem ShmeiParticipantGoing through these posts, it’s amazing to see the coffeeroom of old. Wish I would’ve joined then.
Just imagining if this discussion would have been started in the current CR. Oy.Menachem ShmeiParticipantDaMoshe, thanks for wrapping up the story. Very heartwarming!
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