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DY: I don’t think I agree that we believe Rishonim can’t make mistakes. We believe that it’s dumb to think we can catch them because they knew a ton more than us and that if/when they did make mistakes, people in the centuries between them and now would have and did catch them. Those that made it into our corpus of Rishonim are those that knew so much that they (almost) never made mistakes. That’s why they are Rishonim.
(As an aside, I knew a massive Talmid Chacham who was once approached with a manuscript from a Talmid of a Rishon-I think it was the Rashba-and asked to help edit it for publication. He looked through it and said that there was a reason it had only been a manuscript until then; the whole thing was Naarishkeit. This Talmid wasn’t one of the Rishonim because his writings weren’t good enough to be one of the Rishonim. The person with the manuscript called this Talmid Chacham an Apikores for arguing with a Rishon and went on to find other Talmidei Chachamim who would help with his project. After 4 or 5 similar answers, he finally got the point.)
I won’t say the Ri made a mistake because I am far from knowledgeable to ever say such a thing, and 2 days is far too short to ever say such a thing. If I knew Kol HaTorah Kullah and couldn’t answer this Kashya for 60 years, then maybe I’d begin to entertain the possibility that the Ri gave an impossible example.
Oh, and I think it’s in the Shmoneh P’rakim.
Sam2ParticipantDancing is for sure no. According to R’ Moshe one cannot sing to themselves during the 3 weeks (listening to a recording of oneself should be the same). No one seems to hold like that in the slightest.
Sam2ParticipantYou’re not being fair. A ceasefire that allows Israel to continue destroying tunnels and with an understanding that it would lead to an eventual demilitarization of Gaza is all Israel could ever want. I really don’t know why everyone is so mad at Obama and Kerry over this.
Sam2ParticipantAl Regel Achas, I would say that within Zman T’fillah one should still say it because it is part of the Seder Hayom (just like we still say Eizehu Mekoman even though the entire point of that is to learn Torah to start our day). After Zman T’fillah, though, it is no worse than a regular Korei BaTorah, which is Assur on Tishah B’av.
Sam2Participantben: I thought for a while that that was Pshat in the Passuk. But I think the Esnachta splits it up differently. It means “because you did not worship Hashem your God with happiness and goodness of heart, while you had plenty.” The Esnachta splits up the sentence with B’simcha Uvtuv Levav going back on the Asher Avadta, with the Rov Kol defining why we should have had no issue being happy serving Hashem and why it’s a punishable offense (implying that it’s not as bad to serve Hashem unhappily in bad times, which makes sense).
Also, if all three phrases (Simcha, Tuv Levav, Rov Kol) were referring to the conditions in which we should have served Hashem, then they would have the same prefix. They don’t. The Mem before Rov Kol tells me that my reading of how to break up the Passuk is correct.
Sam2ParticipantThe above means whatever you want it to mean. It’s attributed to R’ Nachman of Breslov. I cannot claim to be at all holding in R’ Nachman’s Hashkafos and philosophy, but I can definitely assume that it doesn’t go against Halachos.
Sam2ParticipantDY: Good. If it’s subject to interpretation, then how can someone tell me I’m lacking something integral to my Judaism by not seeing that interpretation?
And I think the Rambam disagrees with your interpretation of that phrase.
Sam2ParticipantThe Passuk says that we are punished “Tachas Asher Lo Avadta Es Hashem Elokecha B’simcha Uvtuv Levav”. HKBH wants us to be happy when we perform His Mitzvos. That doesn’t mean there is a Kiyum in randomly being happy otherwise. At some points we should be happy with life and some points in life call for more solemnity.
See the Aruch Hashulchan 551:1-4.
Sam2ParticipantSIDI: He doesn’t think those people will be alive Bimos Hamashiach.
Sam2ParticipantDY: I didn’t see a response to that point. I saw where you quoted it, but you didn’t actually respond to it. And you won’t agree to it, but my source is “Ravina V’rav Ashi Sof Hora’ah”. If you have a Hora’ah not included in their works, you are claiming they missed something.
August 1, 2014 5:03 am at 5:03 am in reply to: For PF to Vicariously Rant Endlessly About the Over-Emphasis of Iyun through PAA #1045907Sam2Participant100: A title change does not necessarily have to add words.
Sam2ParticipantInteresting. Looking back on this, I see that neither DY nor HaLeiVi had a response to my point that it should be impossible for someone to claim that a Mesorah is integral to Yiddishkeit when that Mesorah can’t be found anywhere in Chazal Um’farsheihem.
Sam2ParticipantPBA: Your Pashut answer can’t be because that’s not what Tosfos says. Tosfos explicitly says the issue is that the one who is Horaso Shelo Bikdushah V’leidaso Bikdushah might be M’yabeim and then everyone will think she is now Pattur and really she will be a Shomeres Yavam who is Mezaneh whenever she is with the brother who was improperly M’yabeim her (or any other future husband). Tosfos explicitly says that the issue is that people will think she’s not Z’kukah any more to the other (real) brothers, which makes your answer about it being a future Chashash if this brother dies untenable.
Sam2ParticipantI object to this thread on the grounds that it may lead to Iyun.
Also, I object to this thread because it’s been on my mind for 2 days now and I have no good answer whatsoever.
Sam2Participantcoffee addict: I cannot claim to be a Baki in Zohars, but that doesn’t make sense. It’s against a Passuk and would be an Issur D’oraisa. He’s not from Aharon.
Sam2ParticipantSomething tells me the Rambam disagrees strongly with this thread.
Sam2ParticipantDifferent Minhagim everywhere. It’s not so simple to just break out down to this, though it does sound pretty logical. Some, though, would Asser even the third while some would Mattir the first two.
Your example made me smile, though. From what I know, the Maccabeats don’t have a lot of people that make it sound like music. They just have a really good beat-boxer.
Sam2ParticipantAbout Time: I’m just curious, what do you mean when you say “codex”? Because you are not using that word properly.
Sam2ParticipantDY: Why? Let’s say (and there are many who claim that those allegations are not true in the slightest) that a Beis Din is under political pressure to have a certain number of Geirim. As long as all of the Geirim they find are sincere and are Mekabel Ol Mitzvos, who cares?
July 30, 2014 4:23 am at 4:23 am in reply to: Lets All Make Non-Nasty Comments About Other Posters! #1037545Sam2ParticipantPAA: It’s a dismissive. Apparently there is debate whether the origin was a Simpsons episode or a random internet chat room about some TV series (don’t remember what). Either way, though, I like it.
From dictionary.com
meh [me]
interjection
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adjective
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unimpressive; boring: The first few songs were meh.
3.
bored or apathetic: I’m feeling a little meh.
Origin:
1990-95; popularized on the TV show The Simpsons
July 30, 2014 3:22 am at 3:22 am in reply to: For PF to Vicariously Rant Endlessly About the Over-Emphasis of Iyun through PAA #1045901Sam2ParticipantPAA: So what’s your secret for all of these Mareh Mekomos? I’m guessing there’s an extended series of Seforim Blog articles on this topic?
July 30, 2014 3:20 am at 3:20 am in reply to: Lets All Make Non-Nasty Comments About Other Posters! #1037539Sam2ParticipantRebyidd: Meh. Boring thread.
PBA: Meh. Disagree.
PAA: Meh. That one.
Sam2: Meh. You were Soseir yourself.
Sam2Participantramat: I can’t verify it, but I was told he skipped Hilchos A”Z due to pressure/censorship from the Russian government.
Sam2ParticipantPAA: Meh. Bizman HaZeh there is no such Eitzah to be “Metaher” Mamzerim.
July 25, 2014 2:58 pm at 2:58 pm in reply to: Things so pashut that even TSB"R know them, but people nowadays don't #1026790Sam2ParticipantDY: Are we sure he was an Am Ha’aretz in the classical sense of “ignoramus”? Am Ha’aretz can also mean someone who is anti-Talmidei Chachamim. I would assume that’s what it means in this context, unless you have a Ra’aya from the story (which I’ll B”N look at again).
July 25, 2014 1:26 pm at 1:26 pm in reply to: Things so pashut that even TSB"R know them, but people nowadays don't #1026788Sam2ParticipantDY: There’s a Tosfos that says he was a Chacham before that, then went off the Derech and became a bandit, then was Chozer Bitshuvah. He proves it from a weird Lashon that R”L used in one place.
July 25, 2014 12:16 pm at 12:16 pm in reply to: Things so pashut that even TSB"R know them, but people nowadays don't #1026782Sam2ParticipantThe vast majority of Pesukim in Chumash.
July 25, 2014 2:55 am at 2:55 am in reply to: maybe we all should stop getting drunk on purim #1056702Sam2ParticipantC’mon mods, it is far more likely that I call PAA a Kofer and believe it than vice versa. 🙂
If it makes you happy, you’re both kofrim.
July 24, 2014 6:44 pm at 6:44 pm in reply to: maybe we all should stop getting drunk on purim #1056699Sam2ParticipantPAA: The Church made the Cheshbon that people cannot be good and righteous all year round, so Carnival is an “out” where you can do anything wrong and it is forgiven.
Sam2ParticipantHaLeiVi: Interesting. Well, having a human child isn’t considered this Issur. So maybe the Issur doesn’t apply when creating a living person?
Sam2ParticipantI would assume that 3D printing a human being is an Issur D’oraisa unless you use whatever Limud Zchus we have to allow dolls.
Sam2Participantlz: There are many Gazans that would live in Israel if they could. Israel won’t let them (for good reason). The fact remains that, even if the majority of Gazans are complicit in Hamas terror, you certainly cannot say this about all of them. Frumnotyeshivish said it very well.
Sam2Participantrecipes: The people who run on to roofs to block rockets aren’t really innocent. But plenty of actual civilians have been killed by mistake and/or just by being in the wrong place at the wrong time. It’s sad and unfortunate, but it’s the nature of war. The IDF is doing everything they can to avoid actual civilian casualties, but as in any war some do unfortunately happen.
Sam2Participantmordern: I refuse to believe that R’ Avigdor Miller claimed that a social statement (with potential Halachic Nafka Minos) is as important as being M’kayeim one of the most important Aseis D’oraisa (which makes you a M’kayeim Asei B’gufo).
July 23, 2014 6:13 pm at 6:13 pm in reply to: maybe we all should stop getting drunk on purim #1056686Sam2ParticipantPAA: Is that backing me up and him thinking that Chazal gave people an “out” to do Aveiros and not be Chayav for them? Is that what you’re saying Pshat is?
Sam2Participantmordern: That doesn’t make sense. Lich’ora there shouldn’t be a Mitzvah of Chinuch on Tznius. I think the general assumption is like the Minchas Chinuch and those Achronim who point out that the only Chiyuvim on which Chinuch is Shayach are those that become Chiyuvim at Bar/Bas Mitzvah. Since a girl has a Chiyuv of Tznius before that time (because a girl 11 or younger could be attractive to teenage boys in an inappropriate way) then there shouldn’t be a Chiyuv of Chinuch on it.
July 22, 2014 7:49 pm at 7:49 pm in reply to: Kerry: U.S. will provide $47 million to help humanitarian situation in Gaza #1024494Sam2Participantlive right: Which is why I would probably not have such a problem if the US gave military aid to the PA. Hamas, though, is a recognized terrorist organization. As such, if the US gives it any “humanitarian aid”, it better make darn sure that that money actually goes to humanitarian purposes.
July 22, 2014 5:36 pm at 5:36 pm in reply to: Kerry: U.S. will provide $47 million to help humanitarian situation in Gaza #1024491Sam2Participantlive right: That’s because American aid to Israel is specifically for “defense”. We know it’s going for weapons and research. And the US government has decided that that is a worthwhile funding endeavor. Mah She’ein Kein here, where the money is supposed to go for humanitarian aid. Frankly, if the US gave “humanitarian aid” money to Israel and Israel in turn used it for weapons instead of rebuilding what the rockets destroyed, I would be upset as well. Such a subterfuge would be both Assur and wrong on any moral scale, no matter what scale you are using (unless you’re using Hamas’, apparently).
July 22, 2014 2:46 pm at 2:46 pm in reply to: Kerry: U.S. will provide $47 million to help humanitarian situation in Gaza #1024486Sam2ParticipantHonestly, if the money actually goes to help destitute people rebuild, I can’t see how anyone can be against it. If the money goes to the “government”, though, then we all know that it’s just going to be given to Hamas to build more rockets and tunnels. In theory, it’s a nice gesture, in reality it probably will not be done properly.
Sam2ParticipantPBA: Right. We’re agreeing. Shaul thought he was within the bounds of Ratzon Hashem. He was wrong because nothing within the bounds of Ratzon Hashem goes against a direct Tzivui from Hashem. So not killing animals even when required is being “too much of a Rachman” and evil. Finding a sensitivity to not want to kill animals outside of that, though, feels like a potentially very nice thing (except when you try and push it on others).
Sam2ParticipantThe Rambam wrote an entire Iggeres about such things.
Sam2ParticipantPBA: Not a fair Dimyon. Shaul had an explicit order which he violated. That would be similar to saying, “Killing animals is bad so I won’t bring a Korban.” That would be too merciful because it goes against Hashem’s command. Saying, “I won’t kill animals except for when absolutely necessary because I feel bad about killing them” seems like a great example of being Mekadesh Atzmo B’muttar Lo.
Sam2Participant(Assumption) They didn’t want to call it a chat room because that had a bad connotation in the early internet age and that bad connotation seemed to have persisted in the Frum community. (Even though chat rooms really ceased to exist by the time the CR was founded; this would more properly be described as a message board; which pretty much entirely replaced chat rooms by the early 2000s precisely because of the reasons that chat rooms had bad reputations.)
Sam2ParticipantThen again, I would also not be able to have Taanos on anyone who gave a Heter for limited (even non-a capella) concerts in certain places in E”Y this year, even during the 9 days.
Sam2Participant42: Meh. If you hold by the minority opinion that it’s only Assur Al HaYayin (which is probably the best Limud Z’chus for the Minhag HaOlam; either that or saying that everyone falls under the Rama’s Heter nowadays because music isn’t as reserved for royalty/gentry as it used to be), then a concert shouldn’t be a problem.
R’ Schachter says that if you count Chol HaMoed Pesach as part of S’firah, then you have to treat it like S’firah.
And Pashtus is that RebYidd is correct, at least according to the Shevet HaLevi.
Sam2ParticipantDY: Who is ever tolerant of religious differences? 🙂
Sam2ParticipantHaLeiVi: You’re right. I meant to write Chukas Aku”m instead of A”Z in my last post.
Sam2ParticipantIvdu: I don’t know. It’s hard to call things with actual health and/or psychological benefits Avodah Zarah. I once saw at someone’s house a book which detailed yoga positions and “why” they have the effects that they have. That was certainly Avodah Zarah.
Sam2ParticipantMatan1: From Wikipedia (read more there for more; bold mine)
[1] in Hinduism, Buddhism (including Vajrayana and Tibetan Buddhism[2][3][4]) and Jainism,[5][6][7][6] the best-known being Hatha yoga and Raja yoga. The term yoga is derived from the literal meaning of “yoking together” a span of horses or oxes,[1] but came to be applied to the “yoking” of mind and body.[1]
The origins of Yoga may date back to pre-vedic Indian traditions. The earliest accounts of yoga-practices are to be found in the Buddhist Nikayas.[8] Parallel developments were recorded around 400 CE in the Yoga Sutras of Patanjali,[9] [10][11]”
Most ancient Far East martial arts contain aspects of A”Z at their core, though Yoga and Tai Chi are by far the worst.
Sam2ParticipantIvdu: No, it would not have a status of A”Z that is Assur B’hana’ah, though owning one (if it’s meant to represent the idol) would be Chukas Aku”m. It’s not an A”Z itself and I wouldn’t seriously claim it as such (this whole thread has been fairly not-serious), but we should be sensitive to utilizing things, even children’s toys, that come from A”Z sources. You wouldn’t let your kids play with a cross, would you?
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