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The Gemara about Raban Gamliel is asking how he could look at her enough to take notice of her beauty. That is Histaklus, the Targum of Ma Esbonen El Besula. Normal, necessary looking, as in a conversation that is Mutar does not fall into this category. However, the Rosh’s son, Reb Yehuda writes that although this is the case one should refrain from all looking.
Al Tarbe has nothing to do with pleasure. Sam2 quoted a Nusach — which I believe is in Avos D’rav Nosson — that says Al Tarbe Sicha Im Isha Bashuk Afilu Im Ishto Mipnei Ma Yomru Habrios. And if you go Kepshuto, and not even Ishto Nida, then the Pshat is, like Toi quoted from the Chazon Ish, that it refers to what is outside and beyond what is called for in a normal relationship. It happens to weaken Shalom Bayis in many cases when the husband hangs around too much.
The Kol Bo brings a Medrash about a tour of Gehenom, with descriptions of punishments for those who caused men to look at what was not Tzenius.
Please. If only that would have been the extent of the Galus, that a deranged person would yell insults.
Perhaps the Chazon Ish waas talking in the context of his time and place, where they all knew the score and it can never be considered completely innocent by first generation OTDs.
America might be different, though. It doesn’t cross a goy’s mind that something is wrong with a formal handshake.
I understand that it has to do with Halachic opinions, but the Halacha depends on how normal it is and how integrated you are. Therefore, it usually follows the ‘wings’.
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They are 10 years too late in realizing that you can’t Assur it, and should instead focus on the ‘how’ rather then the ‘if’. Don’t push them off another 10 years.
Now, to be fair to Rabbanim, decisions are often made by Daas Askan and shoved under the rubber stamp for approval. Had Gedolei Torah discussed, analyzed, and pondered the status and the Nolad, perhaps it would have been approached differently.
You are feeling sick? Put a Sefer Raziel Hamalach under your pillow.
This way more secretaries get hired by the programmers and servicemen.
Well, intelligent means that the person learned a lot. Being insightful and full of wisdom doesn’t necessarily depend on exceptional intelligence, although it does help.
Now wasn’t that intelligent, insightful, or wise?
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Which part am I supposed to change?
Could it be worse than looking at the Sota?
Sam2, are you taking that to a business handshake? I think that’s one area where the ‘wings’ come in to play. Either way (or wing), it can’t be Yeihareg V’al Yaavor.
Avi K, something about your careful selectin of examples tells me that you understand this well enough. Why didn’t you ask about getting solace from the saleswoman?
Mistakel is Targum for Misbonen. It means to gaze, not just looking.
The Yaavetz learned and believed in the Zohar Hakadosh. He quotes it often, too, as well as the Arizal. He held that certain things were mistakes that somebody wrote in his margin and over time made it into the text. The Kamarna writes the same thing.
I was thinking that if not for the direct association by all the Rishonim, I would also say that the Moreh wasn’t written by the Rambam. There are clear contradictions to what he writes in the Yad. For example, in the Moreh he says that all Mitzvos have rational reasons, including Sheluach Hakein, which is about having Rachmanus. He applies that to Shechita, too. Then he says that although you find a Mishna implying that SHeluach Hakein is clearly not about Rachmanus, that Mishna is going with the Shitta that Mitzvos don’t have Taamim, and we are following the approach that Mitzvos do ave Taamim.
In the Yad, he quotes the Mishna of Modim Modim Meshaskim Oso and Hegia Rachamecha El Kan Tzipor Meshaskim Oso. Then he explains that this is because the Mitzvos are given for these reasons, for if Rachmanus was the reason then we wouldn’t be allowed to eat meat.
I am aware that it is possible to reconcile the two, but at face value they contradict each other. Karbanos, too, are approached very differently. In the Moreh it is to keep busy those who were used to it, while in the Yad he praises the concept as the ultimate in Avoda.
All Rishonim associate the Moreh with the Rambam, so either that Sefer is his musing, so to speak, but he wouldn’t incorperate his thoughts into his work on Halacha. In the Yad he fed us Daas Chazal as is. Another approach, shared by many Gedolim, is that he wrote the Moreh for the rationals of his day, not unlike many writings of Reb Shamshon Refoel Hirsh. The Maharal writes this at the end of his Derech Chaim.
Or, you can go through each seeming contradiction and reconcile them. This is definitely the most fun, and not impossible.
If you spaced out and you lost the train of thought, try again. If you are young and new in the Beis Medrash there might be many thoughts flying through your head. With persistance you will prevail.
If you find it hard to stay concentrated for extended lengths of time, take a few small breaks. That what the coffee is there for.
I wonder if there is a Hetter to listen to a recording of a woman that you knew, but was Niftar. The Gemara says is Sota that the Yetzer Hora is not Sholet on someone who is dead.
My point was that any feelings are petty in Halacha or in contrast to the holy words of a Tanna.
Keep in mind how Reb Yochanan punished a Talmid for having a hard time digesting his Drasha on a matter of Aggada. Reb Yochanan said, at another time, that one may only say what he is completely sure is the case. The Gemara says in more than one place that Hakadosh Baruch Hu quoted the words of the Chachamim.
Abaye said that when he had a small chore to do on his way home, his learning wouldn’t be the same. So completely engrossed in his learning was he. Their explanations were never off the bat. Every word is loaded with Chochma.
There are plenty of Sefarim explaining the depth and wisdom of Pirkey Avos. Whether or not we follow a particular Mishna, it never makes sense to say that it can’t be the Halacha because it’s not nice. A Tanna said it.
It is appropriate to express your Kasha. Sometimes it can remain a Kasha; most times not. In this case, I think the story mentioned by Toi explains it very well.
Sam2, Yichud is Muttar Bedochak. You can’t make him move out.
Oomis is making a grave mistake. Regardless of whether we Pasken like a certain Mishna or Tanna, you can’t dismiss the words of a Tanna with your petty feelings and arguments! If we end up not Paskenning that way, it is not for your reason.
When we don’t Pasken like Beis Shammai, it is not because we laugh or even dislike their Shita. Eilu Va’eilu Divrei Elokim Chaim. The Halacha happens not to be like them.
Mekomos Hamegulim is only Assur when the intent is to have Hanaa. Singing is Assur even without explicit intent.
The Gemara in Kedushin is hard to base things on, anyhow. As the conversation went on you see that he didn’t want to send regards to his wife even through the husband. It seems like, as MDG said, Kol Isha is sort of a relative, or borrowed, term.
“In the eyes of Hashem” — wuh-hoh!
Think about it. Inertia and momentum are actually one concept. An object retains its velocity until changed from the outside. So, once you are moving it is much easier to keep going.
Don’t think about the work that has to be done. Focus on what lays in front of you.
Hey Mocha,
Rav Ashi Chazzered Kal Hatorah in thirty days. If that would be referring only to Shas Bavli then it means he went through 84 (K’minyan Daf) Bletter a day. I hope he didn’t get punished for those thirty days of Bittul Torah.
Truth is, though, that if he learned for 20 hours those days that would be around four Blatt an hour. 7-8 minutes an Amud. Not that bad.
In feet or in decibals?
Good point there, Mocha.
The OP asked how many capita.
Which Chassidus has the most Rebbes? And, which one has the most Rebbes per capita?
WHen you need a break from the toil of Torah, for a few minutes, open a book on complex physics and calculus and relax over it.
Avi, not for that reason, though. He was punished for saying that the Torah was so easy to him, as a song.
The Bach brings it, I think from the Trumos Hadeshen. The reason is it is/was often dried in ovens that were used for Chametz, or even alongside Chametz.
What about now? There was an article about the effort to try to get him home for Pesach but there was no follow up.
Wine doesn’t cause toothaches, it cures it. Even Rav Papa’s cow knew that!
Are these Mareh Mekomos of your upcoming Shiur?
A monarchy under a good and just monarch operates much better than a democracy. The problem with monarchy is that there is no way to insure that.
A monarch has the ability to get things done that are better for the long term without the need for a shortsighted four-year result. He can get things done without a congress full of local-minded individuals hampering his efforts for the sake of their own re-election.
When Moshiach comes we will see the benefits of a righteous king. Until then, democracy is the only safe way to go. But as Ben Franklyn said, the minute people figure out that they can vote themselves money democracy is doomed.
After the fact, of course you should realize that obviously this is what Hashem knows is good. Beforehand, you place your trust in Hashem that things will be good, in its true, simple, regular, meaning.
A person has to be able to disengage past experience and completely believe in Hashem. Remember and point out to yourself the times Hashem clearly answered you, and dismiss the times you were disappointed.
Emuna is like a pendulum: The stronger you push the more it comes back, and the stronger it comes back the further you can throw it. Someone with a strong Betachon sees many results, which in turn enables him to build upon his Betachon. But you can start off small.
Read Rabbeinu Bachya in his Kad Hakemach on the topic of Betachon. He says that in the Zchus of the Betachon alone you will be helped. He also adds that, of course, there are times when things fall through. Then we must focus and realize that Hashem knows best what is best.
The difference between before and after is like any strong friendship. You are positive that your friend won’t leave without you. If you think otherwise you are doubting your friendship. However, if the friend did leave without you, then an undoubting friend starts to think that obviously something urgent came up.
Well, the worst is those places that yell out, “Emes Torasaini Hakdosha”, while you’re saying your Bracha of the Aliya. The first time I got that, I though I made some kind of mistake.
If I recall correctly, the only problem the Rosh had with saying words along with the Chazzen is that you might say Hashem’s name, too.
When I am by the Amud I appriciate the humming along, as it gives a positive feedback that all is going well.
However, I think Krias Hatorah is worse. Ignoring the Baal Koreh is like ignoring the voice from sinai. So sayeth the Sefarim.
Acedemics with an ax to grind aren’t worth anyone’s attention. Gedolim, who had Kol Hatorah with one scan, were very well aware of Leshonos that were popular.
Like the Gemara, there are additions from later times. The Kamarna says that Raya Mehimna was written in the time of the Geonim. Many Midrashim are from then, as well.
One example of their great Kashos is that the Zohar Hakadosh uses the term, Af Al Gav, while the Gemara uses Af Al Pi, and supposedly, Af Al Gav only shows up in later liturature. When I heard of this Kasha, the first thing that came to mind is that I bet they looked at Bavli, while Most Midrashim were written in the Yerushalmi dialect, as Rashi writes. A simple Google shows many Af Al Gavs in Yerushalmi.
But, as pointed out, there are certain words or sentences that staryed out as someone’s marks and made it into the text. Many Gedolim have said this, including the Yaavetz and the Kamarna.
Reb Aviad Sar Shalom, in his Emunas Chachamim, writes that even if Reb Moshe de Leon would tell him to his face that he wrote the Zohar himself, he would not believe him. There is especially no room for questions after the Arizal, who understood its full depth, testified as to its greatness and origin.
Anyone who is lucky enough to have some insight into its depth will not comprehend the notion that a certain 14th cetury Mekubal fabricated it. It is not a tale, it is deep and profound. Tzadikim and Gedolim spent their lives understanding its wisdom and reached great levels through it.
Until 40? So the Arizal never learned Zohar Hakadosh? How about the Ramak or Reb Chaim Vittal? Actually, I don’t think anyone who actually excelled in Kabala started after 40.
Sam, a Polo shirt is not unique to any group of Ovdei Hashem. At most, it can be acceptible.
Tzaddikim did encourage the Levush for the specific purpose of hindering the person’s free wanders. When you are constantly aware that you stand out as one belonging to a group that doesn’t belong in such places, you’ll feel akward going there.
It’s a secret.
Not the black hat, the long Reckel.
I think I left a bag here. Did you see it?
Of course! You think I have that much time on the computer? That’s what red lights are for.
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Ouch!
Abaye was Over on Lo Sinachashu!?
If everything you don’t like or understand is Lo Sinachashu, what’s Lo Se’oneenu? Kosem? Kishuf? Ochez Einayim x2? Ov? Yidoni? Doresh El Hameisim? Darkei Emori? Chukos Hagoyim?
Wouldn’t you think the ones who wrote these Halachos understood them?
Hey, why does this remind remind me of something?
I’ve seen it mentioned in Sefarim. I just checked up Reb Reuven Margalis, and he brings this from the Sefer Vayakhel Moshe (entry 54), the Chida (Pesach Einayim on Avos Perek 5 on that Mishna of Machlokes L’shem Shamayim), and the Malbim (Torah Ohr Chukas 147)
By the way, there is no doubt about Mitzvos after Moshiach comes. The question is about after T’chiya.
I found more’s trick to work for me. When I had that, I played it on the keyboard until I had enough.
It doesn’t make you hate it. If you constantly sing a song because you like it, that is not the discussion. Sometimes, especially when you aren’t feeling great, a song sticks in your head and drives you batty.
Hey ZeesKite, if you don’t like the music why don’t you just make your own music?