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Assertion? That’s who Rabbeinu Bachya quotes. That is the only source earlier than the Beis Yoseph. It is not from Chazal. That’s all.
The fact that it is not on any list of unhealthy foods should be enough to tell you what modern doctors think of it. If you so please, ask your nutritionist, unless you think he’ll laugh at you.
I have nothing against keeping it. I keep it, too. But I don’t worry about it as if it is an actual Sakana. Had it been from the Gemara, or had it originated from our Chachamim I wouldn’t say this. But, once you know where it comes from it doesn’t matter how many times it’ll be quoted or mentioned.
The fact that Rabbeinu Bachya lends Divrei Torah to it and suggests a reason Al Pi Sohd is more of a reason to keep it, but that still does not render it a Sakana.
And if my attitude is to be Mashlich Acharei Gavi opinions of the 14th century doctors, well, I’m sure you know that modern doctors agree with that. They were not known to be very scientific about their assumptions. You know that the Beis Yoseph didn’t make it up, nor did he or any Posek review the data to check the assertion. They merely relayed what was told or written. That doesn’t make it more of a Sakana. Do you really wonder what modern doctors say about it? Now, that’s a bit dishonest.
Here’s another question. Does it cause heart attacks, insomnia, ADHD, hiccups, lyme disease, housemade’s knee, floaters, schizophrenia? The biggest reason to keep it is to listen to the Poskim. Perhaps it’s a Sakana not to listen, but I’m talking about it being Batul Beshishim.
OneOf, it was brought up as an illustration that even the worst book possible can be written well, if it was, and that being written well is not pertinent.
Can we please stop comparing illustrations to comparisons?
That Gemara is not talking about Mazal, it is talking about a Gezeira. However, the Gemara in Bava Metzia says that someone who cries for help but didn’t bother moving should be ignored.
You really missed the point. The source of the Sakana is not from Chazal. It is from the 14th century doctors. There is no reason that I have to take their musings into consideration.
If we were to worry about what every doctor of every period worried about we would be down to nothing.
It is kept out of reverence, but to say that it can’t be Battul B’rov is really going out on a limb.
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Frogs were seen emerging from the river. Authorities tried keeping them under control but the more they hit, the more they come. They are very noisy and are a real nusance. Two people were seen leaving the area shortly before the incident.
Uneeq, the source of this Sakana is some 14th century doctors. The proof that it is not a Sakana now is today’s doctors. It is kept anyhow since it was mentioned, and She’al Avicha Viyagedcha. Also, Rabbeinu Bachya connected it to Divrei Torah.
And Reb Yochanan punished his Talmud for fun, or to motivate everybody else? Yeah, I know your answer: the Gemara l..d about that, too. R”L.
By the way, think about how silly this famous booster theory, promulgated by Haskala, really is. The Baal Shem Tov came around to boost the spirits of the masses after Tach V’tat. That is equivalent to saying that Reb Amnon Yitzchak is just trying to make people forget about their Tzaros from World War One.
Rav Hai Gaon, the Raavads, the Ramban, Rashba, Rabbeinu Bachya, Ramak, and Arizal, who taught deep secrets and refused to reveal them at large, were merely trying to say, “hey guys, wazzup!”
Why don’t you listen to the rest of the story from those who share these views? When the Hebrews left Egypt, through the intervention of a charismatic man, they needed an identity, so…
Rabbeinu Bachya mentions this in the name of the doctors. He also gives it a reason Al Pi Sohd. I don’t think we have to woory about the opinion of doctors from the 1300s, but he says it, others have said it, and it’s done by many.
I’m talking about the part of not asking Mechilla. “Two major posters…”
Moi, AYC was referring to posters and not moderators. I’m sure AYC saw that thread and either was or was not impressed. I wouldn’t have been.
Keep in mind that the Gemara is talking about the bumps of the spine, not its make-up.
The Gemara says that the 39 Melachos are learned from the 39 times that the word Melacha shows up in the Torah. The Gemara then asks about the word Melacha that appears by Yosef. Then the Gemara says, why don’t you simply count it up and see if you get 39 without it. Well, the Gemara says, there is also another Melacha in question — Vehamelacha Haysa Dayam — and we don’t know which one to count. By Yoseph it might not mean work, and by the Mishkan it might mean the product, rather than the work.
What we see here is that if not for the question that the Gemara had about which one not to include, the Gemara would never have mentioned why that Melacha is different. We would have been asking how come there are more than 39 appearances of the word Melacha. Some Meforshim would take certain ones out of the count and WolfishMusings would have laughed at them.
Chazal say that Yetzias Mitzraim is mentioned fifty times in the Torah. If you count it you can find almost double. There are a few Peshatim about which ones to count, but the main point is that Divrei Chazal have to be learned and studied and understood after toiling over their holy words.
The Gemara in Shabbos quotes Reb Yochanan that you may not say Torah unless you are completely sure that it is the case. He punished a Talmud for not accepting a Drasha that, to us, sounds like out of the hat.
The Maharal says that someone who knows that he is far from the Chachamim is at least on the same track, that he can realize the contrast. However, one who takes their words lightly and thinks he can critique the Chachamim is not on the same track. He doesn’t begin to understand the framework.
coffee, so email me and I’ll tell you.
Have a happy CRY.
RABBAIM, if you want Klal Yisroel to have such Rabbonim, get working on it. For now, I’ll do my part. I’m logging off now.
The ‘myth’ is the train of thought to which you subscribe.
People also mistake what harassment is.
Greatest line ever, thank you, thank you.
It really is!
Y’know, I ignored this thread for a while. The topic is just too boring for me and the opinions are preset and predictable. However, I saw your name and figured it would be worth checking it out. And it was. Thanks.
Popa, you have the ability to be so level-headed and insanely wild in the same breath.
Perhaps Yeshivos should make non-pressure Melavos Malka.
Coffee, I’m not so sure that when you say Asher Yatzar it is from appreciation of the nose…
Actualy, you are just the opposite of the Nachash. The tongue has four tastes: bitter, sour, sweat, salty. Many other aspects of taste come the smell. The Nachash had its taste taken away but not its smell, as is clear from many Gemaros discussing how the Nachash likes wine and good meat.
If the baby looked, what do you do? Are you supposed to make the mirror look back at the baby?
I wish I would know someone like that, More.
I think it was clothing underneath or shoes next to.
Shouldn’t it really be snap?
Another thing is not to sleep with your clothing next yo your head. The Maharil was very Makpid about this.
The Gemara is full of the concept of Ayin Hara. It affects Halacha and Hanhaga in many areas.
The basic idea is that people’s will have a big effect. The Sefer Chasidim says that those that are hated by the public (e.g. tax collectors) don’t live long. This is built into the world.
The Tzanzer Rav used to do it. When he would visit Hungary, though, he wouldn’t. It wasn’t the Minhag in Hungary.
The widely practiced Shiur is very inflated. Besides, there are many who have Mesoros from before the Chazon Ish with a smaller Shiur. Let’s not forget that a K’zayis is not supposed to be Kidei Svia. Does it really make sense that I have to eat a whole Matza to be Yotze a K’zayis? A K’zayis is the smallest amount that is considered eaten.
Great Bear, I didn’t mean to step all over you.
Syag, the reason he didn’t say it is a Halacha is because it isn’t. He didn’t say it is from Sifrei Kabbala because it isn’t. He said that women are Makpid because that is the case.
Al Titosh Toras Imecha does not contradict anything Chazal taught us. The Gemara actually says to take advice from the wife in domestic or worldly matters. The Gemara says that a woman has a better perception of her guests. This does not contradict the other statement, that Noshim Daatan Kalos, that it is easier to convince a woman.
If you think about it, it is a balance. The advantage of being more intuitive is balanced by the ability to be easily convined, and the advantage of mostly logical reasoning is balanced by being unaware of small telltale signs.
All of this, however, is besides the point. The idea is that we don’t mock something that is Nahug, just because one person over-reacted to you about it, or because you can’t figure out why it should be the case.
I think it’s a good Minhag, anyhow. First of all, for safety reasons, it is a good idea not to walk over a baby, especially while holding something — let alone a dangerous object. Secondly, it is a respectful gesture to walk around someone instead of over them.
How weird, sam4321, he makes up a reason (that doesn’t make sense) and uses that as if it is the reason, enough to say that it doesn’t apply anymore! It’s nice to find reasons, but to be that proud of your reason is silly.
I say that it doesn’t make sense, since the ends that touch are no less baked than the dough in middle of the bread, which is thicker, and therefore further from the heat.
Here’s another reason: The Mishna says that you have to leave Peya for the Shamash. Another one: I heard in the name of the Yaaros D’vash that the end represents the ‘outsiders’. And another yet: Since Chazal tell us that wheat gives Chochma we don’t want the fringes of Chochma.
If only all our troubles would have been outsourced to proxies…
Did you try wikisource?
Great Bear, making a Drush out of his words is being insincere. It is mentioned in other Sefarim that unless you know otherwise you have to accept the Mesoros from your mother.
Sam2, we don’t make up Darkei Ha’emoris. The Chida writes that only those things that Chazal mentioned are Darkei Ha’emori, since they specifically knew that they are baseless.
This is somewhat reminiscent of the Gemara about not passing under the saddle of a donkey. Does that one make so much more sense to you?
The Maharal holds that when it comes to Tzeddaka, since everything you gave is counted into one lump sum, it makes no difference.
Learninng quietly.
Does it work with a Sheittel, too?
Yichusdik, very interesting point. The Maharal, and I think, the Drisha, write that the reason Torah Shebaal Peh was not meant to be written was so that people should not develope their own understandings. It is definitely great that so many people have access to Torah now, but we can surely see the effect of openning it up and drawing your own conclusions. Eis Laasos Lashem Hefeiru Torasecha.
DY, in Tana D’bei Eliyahu he describes himself as being from Shevet Gad. So according to himself he wasn’t saying that.
Also, as a side note, when he mentions Eliyahu in a Pasuk he never says, “that’s me”, or any first person reference.
Hey popa, you got moderator privileges? So why don’t you fix up your subtitle?
Not trusting yourself is not quite the same thing as ‘moving toward the right’. Also, if every generation adds only one Gezeira – which is not quite the same as adding a Chumra – then obviously they will pile up.
I don’t know why you brought up Nida. That is in the Gemara, along with many other Gezeiros.
As far as finding a trend, I don’t think it is consistent. You can find things in old Tshuvos that really make you wonder what was going on.
In the days before grouping there were many ‘modern’ Jews living alongside ‘Chareidi’ freinds and family. Different times and different places were more one way or the other.
The power of awareness.
Yserbius,
The Rama in y”d 246 is talking about any other Chachma. This is besides the problem of learning anything, even a trade, from an Apikores. The Maharal says Tzarich Iyun regarding learning from a book from such a person.
Oomis, R’ Akiva wasn’t either R’ Akiva.
Rabbosai, it’s Erev Shabbos of America now. Are you preparing?