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mdd, do you view Ukrainians as ethnic Russians or do you consider Ukrainians to be distinct from Russians?
Avira answered exactly (and everything) that the he OP asked.
mdd, how could you ever consider the city of Lemberg (with its German name and partial Jewish, German and Polish population that was originally under the Austrian Empire, that the Soviets changed its name to Lviv after stealing it from Poland) to be Russian in any way, shape or form?
ubiq’s grossly misinformed view of how Satmar views non-Satmar Shomrei Torah uMitzvos Yidden is a parody of how some five and six year old children might think.
New York might soon find itself with 100,000 “truants” whose parents refuse to budge one inch. Let’s set how successful the District Attorney’s in New York will be in prosecuting the parents of these 100,000 truants.
ubiq: You simply assert Satmar parents can’t sent their children to Chasan Sofer, Vien, etc without explaining why they cannot. That doesn’t cut it. You simply assert a family can’t switch affiliations from Satmar to Bobov or Stolin etc without losing their community and uprooting their children, without explaining why they cannot. That doesn’t cut it.
As far as point “b”, if Satmar started providing a basic education at the elementary school level for math and reading, you think that would shut up most of the critics? Satmar NEVER provided a “public school equivalency” education, as the law demands, however many decades you go back. Doing so is absolutely against the essence of Satmar.
mdd, are you suggesting that we need to thank Stalin?
ubiq:
“to get a kid a basic education required by law, they should have to change theirentire lifestyle, lose their community, home friends, uproot their children.”
Three points, each independent but all important —
a. Satmar parents (while remaining Satmar) sending their boys to Vien, Chasan Sofer, Stolin or another Chasidish mosod that gives the Regents and/or otherwise has a notably more advanced secular studies program than Satmar, is not even close to a major change in lifestyle — and there’s surely no loss of community or friends (anymore than any child changing from one school to another). This IS a practical option.
b. Even if the above weren’t an option (or if you assert that it isn’t a viable difference), the fact of the matter is that being a part of the Satmar community by definition means forgoing any serious secular education. This is part and parcel of being Satmar. Just like you can’t be Satmar and still go to the movie theater to watch (even) “G” rated cartoon/animated Hollywood movies designed for children — because that’s a contradiction to being Satmar; you also cannot send your children to an Orthodox High School that is designed to get the students at an educational level to have a chance to get accepted into Harvard or other universities (whether or not they pursue that option.)
c. If the family changed to another Chasidus, say Bobov, Stolin, Vien or whatever, such a change does NOT entail “changing their entire lifestyle, losing their community, home friends, and uprooting their children.” It, too, is a viable option.
The US Supreme Court has today, on technical/procedural grounds, reversed the temporary injunction blocking the New York court order from becoming effective. As a result, YU is effective immediately now obligated under court order to implement the court injunction requiring the university “to immediately grant” the RIETS Homosexual Club “full and equal accommodations”.
Beginning tomorrow will YU/RIETS fulfill its legal obligation per the New York court injunction supporting the RIETS Homosexual Club and thereby violate the Torah *OR* tomorrow will YU not violate the Torah but rather violate New York law and a court order by refusing the implement the injunction?
What’s your choice YU — Torah or America?
ubiq, if a Satmar Chosid is unhappy with the Satmar school choices he can send his children to a non-Satmar school. If that means changing Chasiduses (and I’m not sure that is even necessary) to another, say to Vien, Bobov, Stolin, Ger, or any of dozens of other large or small Chasiduses (or try Oberlander or Yeshivish for that matter), that too is an option.
akuperma, Sweden is about to get a new government. It remains to be seen whether their NATO application will remain unchanged.
Whatever is on sale.
Yseribus: The rich Chasidim did NOT go to college. Any exception is rare.
“A secular education is necessary in this American golus”
It is no more necessary than a Polish and Russian education was necessary for Yidden in Poland or Russia. We did without learning Polish history or Russian history and we did without science.
“I guarantee that if a hispanic “latinx” community wanted to keep their kids speaking spanish, and have a spanish speaking school, they would not be treated this way. They would be appreciated as diverse, etc.. no matter what the results of their system would be.
But if Jews speak yiddish and hebrew, and run businesses, and don’t father children and run away….that’s not ok.”
NYC public school tech math, science and a host of other subjects in Spanish for members of the Hispanic community.
Only the Big Bad Jews are not allowed to teach all secular subjects in a non-English language — such as in Yiddish.
“For everyone proclaiming that Jewish education is “just fine”, what objective studies or reports can you present to support your position?”
2,000+ years of survival in exile despite severe persecution.
Where is the Roman Empire, the Persian Empire, the Greek Empire and countless other empires?
Reb Eliezer, is there anything available from a man?
southerner: Can a nice country boy or hillbilly bochor who is a mentsch relatively easily find a nice shidduch in one of those out of town communities that you mentioned?
ubiq: “However for those few who want to be frei are stuck.”
That’s absolutely the way it should be. And must remain.
AAQ: Which Acharonim allowed you to accept or use the non-Jewish cash sent to you by Uncle Sam during the Covid pandemic?
It’s important to add that (by Ashkenazim) if the husband wants to divorce but the wife wants to continue the marriage, barring specific extenuating circumstances where he might be entitled to force her (in Beis Din) to accept a Get, the general rule established by Cherem Rabbeinu Gershom is that she’s within her rights to veto his request to divorce and she can legitimately force him to remain married to her.
Dr. Pepper,
The Halacha regarding Heter Meah Rabbonim says it needs at least one rabbi from three countries. Most opinions say three different US States suffices for this purpose. If you want to be more careful you can get one rabbi from each Canada and Israel in addition to 98 Kollel yungerleit in Lakewood.
Yes, air travel in the past made it more difficult to procure. I don’t suppose anyone will insist sending a horse and buggy to Toronto (or to New York, if another State suffices) for the out of state/country signatures. Many things became “easier” in Yiddishkeit due to advanced technologies.
A HMR is not limited to the type of cases (and related thereof) that you mentioned. It is far more expansive to include any case where the husband has a reasonable reason to desire divorce whereas the wife is unreasonable in refusing.
As far as acceptable, the only person that will need to find the issued HMR acceptable is the one rabbi that will officiate for the husband’s future marriage. Anyone else’s opinion has no bearing. (Halachicly you don’t even need a rabbi to perform a marriage.)
The Supreme Court of the United States has ruled that parents have the right to stop all education after eighth grade.
Any 100 kollel yungerleit with smicha can sign a Heter Meah Rabbonim. It shouldn’t be hard to put it together, if one wants to.
Ashkenazic husband’s cannot give a Get against the wife’s will since Cherem Rabbeinu Gershom prohibits them from doing so. Any non -Ashkenazic husband can give his wife a Get against her will. Non-Ashkenazim can also be married to multiple wives.
OP/Besalel:
1. You must completely separate the discussion of education pertaining to Limudei Kodesh from secular studies. Some/many parents, may desire — fully within their rights — to forgoe any secular education and focus entirely on Limudei Kodesh and on being a Ben Torah, Yid and mentsch with stellar middos.
This is not only their natural right, but it is a highly commendable choice. Even if you disagree with the parents.
2. To answer your OP, Torah education has not declined with time over the last 75 years. Au contraire. It has markedly improved.
3. Those spending 50% of their income on their children’s education are clearly and absolutely focusing on their second education. To the detriment of their Torah education, I might add, as the secular is then occupying a significant amount of the child’s limited time per day.
No one needs to spend remotely nearly 50% of their income of their children’s Torah education.
4. Not every of what you call “kosher fields” is as kosher as you may think. Some are less kosher than others, even if not outright forbidden. There is very good reason to educate one’s children to the exclusion of gaining a taste or ability to choose a less kosher line of work environment over a more kosher/Jewish field.
Amil, anyone who would even consider inviting Jackson could not be properly described as frum.
The Queen is simply referred to as “Queen Camilla”. Although her full legal title is Camilla, Queen consort of the United Kingdom, she’s formally referred to as Queen Camilla, much as Elizabeth II’s mother, Queen Elizabeth The Queen Mother, was simply known as Queen Elizabeth when her husband King George was alive.
Ebonics?
If Paskesz disconnected the confection, it is a safe bet that it wasn’t commercially worthwhile maintaining.
How is Her Majesty, Queen Camilla doing, after a few days on the throne?
Mr. Paskesz doesn’t live in an Ivory Tower. You can easily find his contact and give him a quick friendly call.
Reb Eliezer, Rav Moshe is very against making a Bas Mitzvah party. He has three teshuvos in the Igros Moshe against it. He calls it a Reform innovation.
Past “upgrades” of the Coffee Room (bbPress) have gone very badly and ruined/mangled/destroyed many (perhaps most) old threads.
ymr: You’re building in too many assumptions. A goy might risk it even if it wasn’t “worth the risk” on an actuary table.
CS: Have you ever met a troll that you agreed with his post? Or do you consider anyone you disagree with to be a troll?
chiefshmerel: Avoda Zora is worse that eating chazir.
If someone claimed an opinion that it’s okay to eat chazir to supposedly avoid chilul Hashem, he’d rightfully be called a reformer. And, yes, the Reform had what you’d refer to as a “greater talmid chacham than anyone on this site.”
Reb Eliezer: the mother threw herself under the bus. And she got herself run over.
Goldilocks: Absolutely.
chiefshmerel: If the King offers you chazir, will you eat it to “avoid chilul Hashem”?
Diana and James Hewitt were guilty of the Treason Act 1351, starting in 1986, a mere five years or less into her marriage. But were subject to (and frankly should have been) executed under the law for having committed treason.
Reb Eliezer, Diana was much worse.
It is prohibited to attend a church service. It is even prohibited to simply enter a church sanctuary.
Reb Eliezer, Diana’s commiting adultery is inexcusable. Under British law at the time, she was liable to be executed, as the law provided the death penalty if the wife of the heir to the throne committed adultery.
“Divorce and separation,” Queen Elizabeth said, “are responsible for some of the darkest evils in our society today.”
And to answer the inevitable questions regarding her children’s divorces, the Queen’s self-proclaimed description of them was “annus horribilis”.
Amil: Queen Camilla’s formal title and style today is Her Majesty The Queen Consort. From 2005 until this morning it formally was “Her Royal Highness”.
By the way, Camilla now being the Queen of England and all her Commonwealths is sweet payback for the adulteress Diana. (Even though Camilla herself is guilty of the same.)
Amil: The London Beis Din never permitted it, despite Mirvis’ church attendance. Indeed, prior to Sacks no Chief Rabbi attended church services.
“Why is the wife of a King called Queen, but the husband of a Queen is a prince?”
Participant: Because the title King is a higher title than Queen. So if the Queen is the sovereign, her husband cannot have a higher title than herself, namely King. But if the King is the sovereign, his wife may have the lower title of Queen.
Amil: Incorrect. Firstly, Queen Elizabeth just seven months ago expressed her “sincere desire” that Camilla be known, recognized and titled as the Queen Consort once Charles ascends. Secondly, that decision by Elizabeth replaced the *informal* announcement at the time of Charles’ marriage that it was their “intention” that Camilla be known as Duchess after his ascension.
But even had that earlier intention not been changed by Elizabeth this year, Camilla would still under British law have been the Queen Consort and would have formally had that title, even had she chosen to refer to herself as Duchess.
All hail for Her Majesty The Queen Consort Camilla!
“Can the Chief Rabbi attend the service at Westminister Abby?”
Absolutely not.
Long live the King!