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“Why is the wife of a King called Queen, but the husband of a Queen is a prince?”
Participant: Because the title King is a higher title than Queen. So if the Queen is the sovereign, her husband cannot have a higher title than herself, namely King. But if the King is the sovereign, his wife may have the lower title of Queen.
Amil: Incorrect. Firstly, Queen Elizabeth just seven months ago expressed her “sincere desire” that Camilla be known, recognized and titled as the Queen Consort once Charles ascends. Secondly, that decision by Elizabeth replaced the *informal* announcement at the time of Charles’ marriage that it was their “intention” that Camilla be known as Duchess after his ascension.
But even had that earlier intention not been changed by Elizabeth this year, Camilla would still under British law have been the Queen Consort and would have formally had that title, even had she chosen to refer to herself as Duchess.
All hail for Her Majesty The Queen Consort Camilla!
“Can the Chief Rabbi attend the service at Westminister Abby?”
Absolutely not.
Long live the King!
Reb Eliezer, send a memo to Charles to abdicate, Edward VIII style.
Elizabeth’s health is deteriorating.
Marxist, if you don’t like a Halacha you think you can simply reinterpret a word to change its meaning? Or, even better yet, claim that a common word with a known meaning is some kind of mysterious unknown meaning that, therefore, needs to be set aside and ignored?
moishek: G-d forbid that dating is essentially either flirting or engaging in with no intention of marrying. Both are indeed forbidden.
Reb Eliezer, yes, it’s true. I met that bochor (now married to an African wife.)
Is the bird feeding neighbor a woman?
How can you possibly get rid of something another person is doing that is permitted?
ubiq: No one is in any such “club”. Everyone knows it is very wrong, are embarrassed about any such desire, fight that desire and would never create or join any public club having anything related to such desires.
On the other hand YU, is openly boasting of creating support groups, giving sensitivity training and presenting public events so that their students, rebbeim and faculty better understand the toeiva experience.
Rocky: Bingo! And toeiva homosexuality SHOULD NOT be a public issue either! Why is YU accepting this toeiva as a public issue but adultery not? Only because the perverted toeivaniks DEMAND that their sickness become a public issue. No other reason. And YU plays ball with this. YU, in the long emailed statement two people posted above says YU hosts support groups for them, YU gives sensitivity training of their rebbeim and professors about toeiva people and YU presents public events so that all of their students better understand the toeiva experience.
YU boasts of doing all this on behalf of toeiva people, to push it over the rest of their non-toeiva students, faculty and rebbeim, but does no such thing on behalf of adulterous students.
E.I.E.: I’ve discussed it with multiple Roshei Yeshivos. None of the people you mentioned are close to the top tier. And, yes, we can compare levels – in fact, we need to in order to judge who is an authority in the first place. If you can’t compare levels then how are you to know that someone is a godol? The fact that he is accepted as a godol only means that many people have judged his level to be that of a godol. But if you cannot compare levels, then these people have no right to accept him as a godol in the first place. Part of knowing who to follow is to know who is greater. Godol mimenu b’chochma ubaminyan is an assessment that it legitimately made. And as Rav Shach writes – if you dont know who to follow, follow whoever is greater – and, he adds, you can of course tell who is greater. If you yourself dont know, then thats fine – not everyone can know the answer to all questions they encounter – but why in the world would you say nobody else can know.
Rocky: Don’t they love people who are struggling with the yetzer hora to commit adultery? If so, why isn’t YU support for adulterous students mentioned, with the hosting of a support group for them, sensitivity training of their rebbeim and professors about such people and presenting public events so that all of their students better understand the experience?
“>>>Also, could you imagine RIETS being under the umbrella of the Mennonites?
No comparison. The umbrella YU organization is not under the control of the toevah crowd. Nor will it ever be.”
smerel: Yet the YU organization is condoning, funding and supporting the toeiva crowd.
The Mennonites, like YU, also is not under the control of the toevah crowd. So what’s the difference, if anything?
“Does Yeshiva University welcome LGBTQ students in its undergraduate schools?
Absolutely.
We welcome, love and care for all our students, including our LGBTQ students. We place a specific emphasis of importance on supporting our LGBTQ students. There are a number of ways we express this support, including hosting an LGBTQ support group, requiring LGBTQ sensitivity training to all of our rabbis and faculty and presenting public events so that all of our students better understand the experience of being LGBTQ and Orthodox.”
This disgusting official statement speaks volumes. Does YU welcome, love and care for all our students, including their adulterous students, murderous students, sexual abusing students, Christian missionary students, and atheist students? If so, why aren’t they announcing all those students as well? If not, why not?
And, note that YU in this statement is referring to its undergraduate/RIETS program, not its postgraduate programs.
Does YU
Ubiq, my point is those real Rabbonim who decades ago taught at YU didn’t do so for parnassa; similar to those who teach in Conservative schools they taught in YU for Kiruv purposes.
ubiq, how do Orthodox Yidden teach in Conservative Jewish schools?
Also, could you imagine RIETS being under the umbrella of the Mennonites? And the Roshei Yeshiva of RIETS saying we protested other Mennonite subsidiaries worshipping getshkes but we have no control over what they do? If not, why would anyone think being under the YU umbrella, with YU condoning and funding many aspects of outright kefira, any different?
What Gedolim, DaMoshe? There are none there. Sure, there are still a few kosher rabbis there, despite all the horrendous things otherwise, much like Jewish Theological Seminary had some kosher rabbis in the early 20th century (the same rabbis, in fact, that were affiliated with the Orthodox Union.) But Gedolim? No, sir.
And before you get all bent out of shape over being told this truth, think about the fact that you yourself offer no respect or recognition of any “Gedolim” at YCT. Just as your justified in disrespecting YCT, others can similarly say so regarding YU.
Jack, I can put you in touch with one of the people there who heard him say it.
MBO: I have two. (And it makes Dora crawl out of his skin.)
Rabbi Yeruchem Gorelick ZT’L was asked what induced him to go work in YU. He said (in Yiddish), “Rabbi JB Soloveichik convinced me that the future of Torah in America depends on YU.” Then he slapped his head, as if to say “What was I thinking?”
There’s nothing more insane than starting troll threads.
The issue mentioned in the OP pales in comparison. But Zionism is a close second.
Point is, YU was really bad even long before YU got toeiva clubs. The toeiva clubs changed it from terrible to horrendous.
Rav Ahron Kotler refused to set foot into YU even for one of his talmidim’s levaya. Instead, he stayed outside and didn’t come in.
And that was in his time already.
Baruch Dayan HaEmes
המקום ינחם אתכם בתוך שאר אבילי ציון וירושלים
Who is fighting? You must be hanging out with the wrong crowd.
147 is an old timer. He is real and he is serious.
If the law was that universities are required to have all students bow in front of a cross once a week, would YU require all its students to bow in front of a cross once a week, because — after all — that’s the law?
Many Yeshivos never stopped.
The Goyim are catching up.
Amil, I take it that you’d oppose the government taking antitrust action against the monopoly?
Did the boy ask his rebbi for mechila?
commonsaychel: Why so cynical?
Sounds like the internal politics of the National Socialist Party in the Weimar Republic, circa 1930s.
AJ: Anyone, including those with no insurance and no money, can walk into any Emergency Room in the United States and receive service.
The vast majority of Jews cannot speak Hebrew. Most religious Jews understand written Hebrew but still cannot speak Ivrit.
Y2836: That story has absolutely zero credibility. There’s no way that Rav Isser Zalman Meltzer ever referred to himself as one of the Gedolim.
Avira, how did so much information about him only become available recently?
Y1836: Rav Isser Zalman Meltzer never said anything closer to “We are only Gedolim…” Where do these bubbe maaisas come from?
RW: Many Litvish speak Yiddish.
You still are ignoring the fact that Ivrit is a different language than Loshon Kodesh.
Zushy, can you repeat your last paragraph in understandable language? It is very unclear.
Jack, in 2009 the Democrats were running the government.
“Yes, it might be but the CR is public. Writing is better than talking.”
Reb Eliezer, you’re saying writing to a woman (Pen Pal/Email Pal) is a Yichud problem. Presumably you’d say the same problem exists with phone calls. Apparently you’re basing this on the quantity of the letters/emails/calls; and you’d say that a single (or very small number) of phone calls or emails or letters between a man and woman is okay. But on what basis are you asserting a Yichud problem is only a problem if it is too often? Having Yichud even once is assur.