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  • in reply to: Looking for advice on a yeshiva high school #1212947

    Assuming your description is not a euphemism-laden attempt to describe someone entirely different, perhaps you should look into Yeshiva Ohr Yisrael in Boston. It is a small yeshiva, with excellent secular studies, an understanding of the need for leisure activities, and a hanhala that is par exellence second to none.

    It is also discussed elsewhere on this site; perhaps you can search.

    in reply to: Has Asking if Things Have Gone too far Gone too far? #1208855

    Yes. It must stop immediately, or we are in grave danger that people will begin to ask whether asking if things have gone to far has gone to far has gone to far.

    in reply to: What are we asking when we ask whether things have gone too far? #1208823

    Yichusdick, that is a terrific point and is fertile ground for discussion. Another point I would raise in connection with it is that eventually you realize that people don’t necessarily want qualified leadership but they want the pretense of qualified leadership.

    For example, maybe the reason CEOs are paid millions of dollars is not because they are the most qualified, they are worth it and nobody else is. Rather, it is important for the success of the company that people believe the CEOs are worth millions of dollars, and are the most and only qualified people. One way to inculcate that belief is to pay the CEO millions of dollars. V’dai lachaki b’remi.

    in reply to: Switzerland forces mixed swimming #1208968

    I am likely among the more liberal Coffee Room denizens and I agree with lilmod ulelameid that this is sick. It is unquestioned even in secular society that it can be uncomfortable for women to wear bathing attire. Here, there is a clear, widely observed religious stricture that coincides with the widely recognized secular sensibility. The state should make accommodations for its religious citizens. In this particular case, Switzerland allowed the girls to wear “tznius” bathing suits, which makes it far less egregious. But it is still a bad idea, IMO, to favor something as random as swimming lessons over religious observances.

    As far as the comparison to sex education, I don’t love mandatory sex education either. But at least the case can be made that it is necessary to ensure that children learn the things they need to know and that we know from experience may be difficult to teach. That does not apply to swimmming.

    in reply to: Favorites lines from Shmuel Kunda Z"L tapes #1210978

    In the car yesterday my son turned on When Zaidy Was Young 2. I must have listened to it literally a few hundred times, but I still found it so enjoyable. The lines are the lines, and some of our favorites are below, but the characterizations are hysterical and true to life. We have all encountered people like Mr. Osborne (mainly at the DMV), like Mr. Farzammelt, like Mr. Genugshoin. Maybe I am reading too deeply into it, but when Mr. Genugshoin yells in his heavy (and yet untraceable) accent about the the Bullzoders coming up to the shul, one wonders whether he flashed back to his formative experiences of anti-semitism in Europe. The invocation of the saying “mayors never go to bar mitzvahs” is pitch-perfect, leaving Hyman and Zelda constantly on the line where we can’t tell if they are as comically foolish as the rest of the characters, or if they appreciate as well as we do the preposterousness of the goings on.

    The story is so entertaining that you almost forget that the plot is this: some people daven in a run down building. They get an eviction notice. Instead of looking for alternate accommodations to rent, they do nothing. One of my favorite lines is when Eli asks Zaidy whether they did anything about the notice, and Zaidy says, “for the next two weeks, the Chevra Mishnayos and Free Loan Society met every night!” The bar mitzvah approaches, and still they do nothing. The only people doing anything are Heshy and Manny, and their plan has several flaws.

    Finally, as the bar mitzvah is about to begin and the bulldozers are about to tear down the building, the mayor arrives, and threatens to prosecute a city worker for doing his job. But the characters are so endearing and the story so entertaining that the nonsensical story line doesn’t even register.

    Some favorite lines:

    “But by unz yidden, our hopes and our dreams and our dreams are our hopes. Do you know what I mean kinderlach?” “I hope so”.

    “I imagine so, Zaidy, I imagine so…”

    “Heshy and Manny are tearing up the city?”

    “With deepest regards, Mr. Untervelt”

    “There was a little nice hall where you could leave your coat.”

    “Of course there were stains on the glass on the windows. And on the tables and chairs too!”

    in reply to: my dream shul #1197685

    In my dream shul, there would be lots of interesting people to talk to the whole davening. There would be no uptight yekkes (redundant?) shushing everyone because they are having trouble focusing – after all, if they’re focus was so intense, they wouldn’t notice the chatting. In fact, they already don’t notice that nobody likes them.

    There would be a rollicking kiddush after davening on shabbos where people who like to drink would drink, and people who like to eat would eat, and it would be paid for by the $5 fines that would be issued when people shush ($10 when they shush a crying baby).

    There would be lots of seats in the shul and at kiddush. Every speech would be voluntary, i.e. not in the middle of davening (and they would thus be sparsely attended, unless the speaker took pains to make them really interesting).

    And on behalf of my son, they would do Moshe Emes between each aliyah on shabbos and also on Monday and Thursday.

    in reply to: boston yeshiva #1197109

    There are not enough boys in Ohr Yisroel to draw general conclusions about “type” or “yeshivish” or “going off the derech”. Also, the yeshiva is trying to be something that doesn’t really exist in the yeshiva world, so it is difficult to label.

    From what I have heard, the yeshiva is well-run, and both limudei kodesh and chol are on a high level. For a few reasons, I imagine this is going to continue.

    First, the rosh yeshiva comes from a strong yeshivish background but has strong ideas about development of the bachurim in areas other than learning as well, including chol and middos. Conversely, the baalei batim involved in the yeshiva are accomplished in limudei chol and careers, but are strongly committed to ruchnius. The yeshiva is a product of an idea that the founders, including the rosh yeshiva and baalei batim had, to create a particular type of yeshiva. They have b’h been successful to this point, but if it does not work out, unlike some other yeshivas, they will not re-brand themselves as another kind of yeshiva so that people can maintain their shtellars.

    in reply to: A soporific story of moderate coincidence #1195996

    So does anyone here think it was him who I discovered?

    in reply to: A soporific story of moderate coincidence #1195984

    I am not talking about any “good old days”. My point is that all the people asking about which seminary to go to are 3Ls at Columbia Law School trying to present themselves the way they think bais Yaakov girls would.

    in reply to: Do Normal People Post in the Coffee Room? #1196400

    I can only speak for myself. Absolutely not.

    in reply to: A soporific story of moderate coincidence #1195974

    Interestingly, Fact 4, which calls my conclusion into question, was that the person I think I have identified cannot possibly be a Columbia 3L because he did not go to Columbia Law School. He did go to another prestigious school, which is located in Philadelphia (not Penn Law School, though).

    in reply to: Place to Daven Shachris in Downtown Boston #1194674

    I don’t think there are any Jews in Boston. I know people think there are butbif that were true they would have maybe a decent kosher restaurant.

    in reply to: goyish music #1188308

    I once listened to goyishe music and now I am a Christian missionary. I will never forgive the goyishe music I listened to for doing this to me.

    in reply to: Chofetz Chaim boys #1187679

    All the Chofetz Chaim guys I know are baalabatim.

    in reply to: Should a frum girl be in Los Vegas by Herself? #1188187

    If she is looking for a supply of salt. But I guess the question is whether I am wrong for pointing that out to my brother and neice.

    in reply to: Rabbi Yair Hoffman – does he really exist? #1164739

    He just called me to let me know I should pass this along – he does not exist.

    in reply to: Footsteps, ?????? ?????? #1166011

    (raises hand)

    in reply to: Funny Shidduch Stories #1227662

    1: A friend of mine was pressured to go out before he was ready. He was not planning to date, but the shadchan convinced his parents that they had already agreed, and that since the girl was in town only for another day, the date had to happen immediately. He barely had time to shave and he had to borrow a (borderline) decent car and didn’t really have time to clean it, etc. etc.

    The shidduch didn’t work out. A few months later, another friend of mine got engaged to the woman with whom the first friend had gone out. Some time later, I asked the second friend if his wife had discussed this date she had had with a tzifloigeneh guy who couldn’t be bothered to shave or rent a decent car. He said she had mentioned it, without mentioning names of course because they don’t speak lashon hara. I told him he could tell his wife that the guy wasn’t really that bad…

    2: When I was dating my wife, she asked, what is your reaction when you find out that you are wrong or made a mistake? I thought about it for a few minutes, and then answered very seriously, “I don’t really know, I can’t say that has ever happened before.”

    She married me ON THE SPOT.

    in reply to: KIPPOT SERUGOT #1159265

    I don’t know why this question is even relevant. Only a goy would wear a kippah serugah.

    in reply to: Chasan and kallah learning together #1157340

    Could lead to dancing.

    in reply to: Lakewood�Off the Derech #1156437

    “What about someone who does not like math, or social studies, or school in general. Is sending them to school considered abuse?”

    In fact, sending such people to school is not considered abuse. A better question would be whether sending them to school ought to be considered abuse. That would be a more difficult question to answer, but I lean toward something like, if you need to medicate otherwise functioning children so that they can sit through school, it ought to be considered abuse.

    in reply to: Lakewood�Off the Derech #1156421

    I completely agree with DaasYochid. It is useful to ask people who are off the derech what led them to go off the derech. It is also useful to ask people who observed them, their rebbeim, their families, etc. Every answer you get will be a useful data point but every answer will also be based in large part on the biases of the person giving the answer. Additionally, there are probably almost as many reason for going off the derech as there are people who went off the derech.

    My highly biased answer, which applies to everyone who went off the derech: Because they were not getting enough out of frumkeit, at least in the short term, to keep them on the derech.

    in reply to: Conspiracy theories #1153935

    Daasyochid just when I found the final missing piece to the puzzle, Popa graduated.

    in reply to: Conspiracy theories #1153922

    Not sure how Obama’s birthplace is a conspiracy theory. Do people think that the Democrat establishment had a brilliant idea in 1961 to hire a couple to have a baby overseas, whom they would then raise and promote to the presidency? If so, I wholeheartedly agree.

    in reply to: What to do (law school question) VERY IMPORTANT #1152916

    Mods, please remove all the personal information Brony posted. Also you forgot study for the LSAT with Fish.

    in reply to: What to do (law school question) VERY IMPORTANT #1152913

    “Veltz Meshugener–

    Great post. I’m curious as to whether you are actually a 3L (as implied by your first post?) or working. Not that it changes the veracity of your statement, but I know my thoughts on this issue have changed a bit since I began practicing and I’m curious as to whether you share that experience.”

    Thank you. I don’t want to go into great detail on a public board. I am not a 3L though.

    in reply to: What's Wrong with WhatsApp? #1152226

    Joseph: Not really. Not every problem requires a ban as its solution.

    in reply to: What's Wrong with WhatsApp? #1152223


    “I have been advised by someone involved in phone and computer filtering and monitoring programs that people should stay away from WhatsApp – not because of some theory a rebbe or rav came up with, but based on real life experiences.”

    The conclusion does not follow from the implied premise. I have no doubt (he wrote sarcastically) that thousands of otherwise entirely innocent people are attracted to a life of crime by Whatsapp. However, I am not making a decision for thousands of people. I am making a decision for myself and my family. I am confident that neither me nor my siblings are in danger of (to use the euphemisms) getting “caught up” in a “web of aveiros” simply because we use the same communication app as other people who have used those apps for wrongful purposes.

    in reply to: What to do (law school question) VERY IMPORTANT #1152908

    Brony, now that you clarified your hypo, I can elaborate more in response.

    If you think the senior associate is lying and deliberately covering up the connection between the different actions, you should escalate to the partner and take other steps to ensure the matter is addressed properly. There are more subtle or less subtle ways to do this. For example, you could email the partner something like, “I just want to make sure that if the SEC were looking at this they would accept our assertion that we reached a good-faith conclusion and the matter was appropriately disclosed.” This would frame it as though you share the senior associate/partner’s interests, and would simultaneously create a documentary record that the matter was raised and possibly not addressed appropriately.

    If the higher-ups refuse to address it and you have grounds to believe they are motivated by bad faith; sure you should be willing to quit and blow the whistle. But this is unlikely for several reasons. First, public disclosures are put together by a team including trustees, underwriters, investment bankers, and all of those entities’ lawyers. All a junior associate would have to do to get the team’s attention would be to call a junior in any of the other groups doing diligence. Any one team hoping for a quick, convenient payday would have a hard time convincing the others to put the legality of the deal at risk. Second, none of the lawyers I have encountered would have any interest in doing this at all, let alone in using it as an excuse to bad-mouth a junior associate on a review. Notwithstanding Top Law Schools rhetoric, big firm lawyers are human and most often try to do the right thing both in crafting disclosures and in reviewing co-workers. There are perverse structural incentives on both counts, but if you work for a firm where a single protestation like this could result in firing, you should not mourn the loss of your job – you should have been looking to leave as soon as possible before this.

    in reply to: What's Wrong with WhatsApp? #1152189

    I have always been amazed at the ability of rebbeim to immediately assume all of the terrible things that will be done with technology. I have done a lot of terrible things in my life but with respect to Whatsapp and texting, the worst thing I have done is curse when I realized that I couldn’t easily contact my siblings who don’t have Whatsapp or texting.

    in reply to: What to do (law school question) VERY IMPORTANT #1152905

    Brony, your example is no different from a business owner choosing to cheat someone and confiding in his employee. It is not unique to a lawyer. If there is any doubt about the necessity for a disclosure, it is up to the senior associate or perhaps the partner to make the determination. Certainly a junior associate should feel comfortable saying, “I understand you don’t think it’s worthy of disclosure but if you don’t mind I am going to run it by Stephen*”.

    If there is no doubt about the necessity for disclosure, and the senior says, “I don’t care, nobody will find out” then the junior should escalate it to the partner and yes, threaten to quit and blow the whistle. But, as with bakeries making poison bread on the last day of pesach, it doesn’t really happen anymore.

    *In this scenario, the partner’s name is Stephen.

    in reply to: What to do (law school question) VERY IMPORTANT #1152882

    Little froggie, I am not actually a veltz meshugener. I took that name to throw people off my tray’le

    in reply to: What to do (law school question) VERY IMPORTANT #1152881

    Daas Yochid: a similar thing can happen to a shoichet. Or a hedge fund manager.

    in reply to: Need Suggestions – Our Son Needs Yeshiva #1149025

    If the OP in this topic is accurate, it is very depressing. If the responses are accurate, I should go buy a faster vehicle to race off the derech.

    Fortunately, I don’t think the responses are accurate. You should get in touch with Ner Yisroel – they are perhaps the best combination of a stable institution with a diverse student body. They understand that it is their mission to facilitate Torah, not to sell it at a markup to the people who could have it anyway (and then expect kavod to boot). They are meticulous about tuition, but IME experience tend to be reasonable as well.

    in reply to: Of course it's a moral issue! You think I am stam ploppeling? #1144329

    Golfer, why should I comment on everything? I am not an expert in everything, nor would I claim to be. Are you an expert on everything? Such a claim would be quite gaavahdik IMHO.

    My observation is limited to articulation of opinions, as it should be since it’s important to be mefarsem such yedios without being megazem.

    in reply to: Of course it's a moral issue! You think I am stam ploppeling? #1144327

    DY, I might still use it. You think I stam give away stuff for free? I’m very makpid not to engage in such hoitzaois chinam.

    in reply to: Does a Mesora need a Mekor? #1144348

    Of course a mesorah needs a mekor. That is why we are so careful to make up a mekor for each of our mesorahs.

    in reply to: Halachic Riddles #1137422

    Q: When do you not eat the afikoman because you have another chiyuv that trumps it?

    A: When tisha b’av falls out on the second night of pesach.

    in reply to: Two groaners #1196836

    A man was mekadesh a woman with one of those things you use to warm up chocolate so you can dip strawberries in it. The woman was diabetic and for medical reasons was unable to eat creamy or fatty things, so it was unclear whether the kiddushin was chal. They went to a rav, who paskened that it was a good kiddushin, because “Tav l’meisav fondue mel’meisav armelo”.

    in reply to: How Do I Know I've Ever Properly Performed Any Mitzvah? #1136317

    I had the very same problem as OP, so I worked on disliking myself to the point I was sure that I loved all my friends as much as myself.

    in reply to: Is all the kvetching hour own fault? #1119863

    Mashiach agent I agree that we live in a totally ME generation, its like the generation of instant gratification. I blame it on the microwave and the internet where if you don’t have something in ONE SECOND your all upset. And everything is gashmuyis with the fancy weddings and clothing that is not tznius because I want to be happy RIGHT NOW even though I’ll will be in hock for the next ten years to pay it of. That’s why Reform and Modern Orthodox are such a big nisayon because they tell you u can have all of the ruchnius without losing any of the ME ME ME gashmuyis.

    in reply to: Sholom Zechorah #1118644

    I wonder if the reason we make a shalom zachor for boys and a kiddush for girls is because women cannot be chayav in a mitzvas asei shehazman grama.

    in reply to: Is all the kvetching hour own fault? #1119859

    RebYidd23 thank you for participating unfortunately I cannot understand you’re comment.

    in reply to: Who composed the World Famous Sholom Aleichem? #1119720

    Daas Yochid, I hope you are incorrect, because Mendy Wald’s song “R’ Chanina Ben Tradyon” was taken from a song called “Via Dolorosa” which is as churchy as can be.

    in reply to: Is it just me…. #1118284

    IME “Modern Orthodoxy” is a straw man that a lot* of black-hat Orthodox Jews use to make themselves feel better.

    *Specifically, the ones who need to feel frummer than other people. This is not by any means a tenet of black-hat Orthodoxy.

    in reply to: MODERN ORTHODOXY: The Fundamental problems #1119041

    OP has clearly never met a single Modern Orthodox person.

    in reply to: Have we gone too far with fashion? #1118066

    No, we have not gone too far. At least I have not. I am a high-class corporate-attorney and I am sitting in my office on the 57th floor wearing a rusty-old bathrobe.

    in reply to: Wife put houseplants in the chicken soup–WWYD #1111428

    Put some chicken soup in the houseplants.

    in reply to: Real talk: Present day frumkeit is aimed at 110 IQ tenth graders #1108337

    Joseph, the malach taught them everything in their mothers’ womb.

    in reply to: Friend wants to marry girl he met online #1187464

    They did get married, and a beautiful simcha it was. But I never told my kids.

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