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I am not a posek. Please contact your LOR.
That said, keep in mind that your two cases are not analogous.
If a location is being recorded 24/7, then the melacha is occurring whether you are there or not. Your going there does not change anything.
Going somewhere where you will activate something, then that may well be a different story.
Again, I am not a rav. Contact your LOR.
The Wolf
I have never picked up a coin (any denomination) from the floor in public. I think it can definitely make a minor chillul Hashem.
Even if you just dropped it?
The Wolf
Wolf there is vast diff btwn shabbos candles & Cahnuka candles
???? ??? ARE FOR OUR PLEASURE. ???? ????? ?? ?????? ????? ???
That’s absolutely true. Nonetheless, in both cases, the wicks are items that are used for mitzvos and perhaps should not be casually thrown out. I don’t think it matters whether we can use the light for our benefit or not with regard to disposal of the wicks.
The Wolf
Eclipse,
I’m happy to report that with the exception that I noted above, I did not speak Loshon HaRah this Shabbos — all because of your suggestions.
Of course, a nice white shirt with a huge red stain in the middle of it is ruined no matter clean the non-stained area is. So, in the end, I didn’t really meet your goal. Nonetheless, I thought you might appreciate the effort.
The Wolf
giving nicknames to your family (do you purposely hurt your family’s feelings with the nicknames, or are you by extension condemning every parent of an Avi, Ruthie, Shoshi, Rivkie, Malkie, etc.?)
I don’t make any statements about anyone else. Unlike other people on these boards, I would never dare to suggest that anyone else has no chelek in Olam HaBah — regardless of their actions. That’s between them and HKBH — and I am not a party to that relationship. What other people call their kids and if they’re comfortable with their portion in the hereafter regarding that is not my business.
In any event, my reading of the Rambam doesn’t seem to make any distinction between if one intends to hurt people’s feelings or not. Obviously I don’t intend such a thing. Nonetheless, I started calling Eeees Eeees well before I learned the Rambam. It’s a part of our shared relationship — and one that I do not want to alter. If I stopped calling my kids things like “kiddo,” they’d probably start to wonder if there was a fundamental shift in our relationship.
If the Rambam wants to consign me to hell for that, then that’s fine. I’m willing to accept punishment for disobeying the Rambam. I value my relationship with my wife and kids that much.
It does not make sense to think it is impossible for the world to be 5771 years old. If you believe G-d created the world, is it any harder to create a world that looks old than one which looks young?
Popa,
Suffice it to say that I find the Ompholos theory unsatisfying and just about as valid as Last Thursdayism. I don’t really want to debate the point here… I just picked it as an example. There are many other examples I could have picked. So, please, let’s not argue age of the universe here. Just accept that we agree to disagree.
The Wolf
you can come to the point where you regret it
I can’t foresee any set of circumstances where I will regret calling my wife and kids by nicknames.
I can’t foresee any set of circumstances where I could be convinced that Young Earth Creationism is correct*.
Either of the above causes one to lose their chelek in Olam HaBah according to many opinions.
There are other things as well, but those are the two that come to mind first.
The Wolf
* Just to be clear — I *do* believe that HKBH created the world and is a manhig in the world. I just believe it’s well over 5771 years old.
Well, as long as we’re doing Groucho quotes, I’ll throw in my favorite:
Outside of a dog, a book is a man’s best friend. Inside of a dog, it’s too dark to read.
The Wolf
Anyone can change and its never too late.
EDITED
In any event, it doesn’t matter. I’m not abandoning doing mitzvos. I’m not going out and eating pork and saying “what does it matter?” Nor do I have any plans to abandon observance of the mitzvos at any time in the future.
Furthermore, I can’t do teshuva because I don’t regret most of the things that cause me to lose my chelek in olam habah anyway. I went over that in another thread (sorry, I’m too lazy to look it up now).
The Wolf
BTW, don’t get me wrong… I think that eclipse’s idea is a good one, and one that most people should join. I’m not knocking her (it is her, isn’t it?) idea at all.
The Wolf
Well, I believe that I’m doomed in the afterlife regardless of what I do in shul on Shabbos — but that’s a whole other discussion I suppose. This is just one more “nail in the coffin” so to speak.
The Wolf
I did not mean to imply that at all. Nor was I attempting to be humorous. When I attempt to be funny, I’ll usually include a smiley.
The Wolf
Isn’t North Dakota’s main tourist attraction Lawrence Welk’s birthplace. 🙂
The Wolf (who has never been west of the Poconos in the US)
And as far as a Jewish outlook goes- how in the world can someone justify not picking up the penny????
I do it often, but in a different context.
More than once, after getting a soda from the machine at work, I have found an extra quarter in the change return bin. Invariably, I take only what is rightfully mine. My reasoning is twofold:
1. If the money belongs to the vending machine owner (i.e. the machine returned the wrong amount of change), then it’s simply not my money. The fact that someone else may come along after me and take it does not change that fact.
2. If it belongs to someone else (i.e. the person before me forgot to take their change) then they may come back for it. The fact that they may not and that someone else will take it does not change the fact that it’s not mine.
The Wolf
Sorry, no can do.
As a Ba’al Kriah, I am going to read Beraishis I am going to read the pasuk where Ya’akov Avinu says that the days of his life are “m’at v’raim…” an act for which he was later punished.
So, I plan on saying Loshon Harah this shabbos — publicly. I guess that’s another reason that I’m doomed in the afterlife — every year I say LH about people in the Chumash.
The Wolf
Interesting. I wonder if that applies as well to the wicks from the Shabbos lights (Eeees lights with oil). Offhand, I can’t think of a reason why they wouldn’t (although, with my kurm hashkafos, who knows, right?)
The Wolf
John Doe,
Since you have one of each, why don’t you give us what you feel to be the comparison. This way those of us who might be facing a purchasing decision (Me!!!) soon can have additional information.
Thanks,
The Wolf
I breathe on Sundays.
The Wolf
I’m always of two minds about it.
On the one hand, I’m somewhat lazy, and so, I generally don’t have a great urge to stop and pick up small change.
On the other hand, I’m pretty sure that when I get up to Heaven, HKBH will say to me “since you obviously don’t value small change (because you did not pick it up) then the small change you gave for tzedaka during your life shouldn’t count — since you deem it worthless.”
The Wolf
To those who assume that the judge has to be lying (or has no credibility) because she’s not Jewish reminds me of a scene from my favorite movie:
Inigo Montoya: But, I promise I will not kill you until you reach the top.
Man in Black: That’s VERY comforting, but I’m afraid you’ll just have to wait.
Inigo Montoya: I hate waiting. I could give you my word as a Spaniard.
Man in Black: No good. I’ve known too many Spaniards.
The Wolf
In the words of the immortal Woody Allen:
So, I can relate. I want to be remembered for not dying. 🙂
The Wolf
You’re as naive as the German Jews in 1937
Oh, please… I invoke Godwin. Comparing the situation today to that in Germany in 1937*.
The Wolf
* I’m certainly aware that anything can happen in the future — but to compare the *present* reality to Germany in 1937 is just ludicrous.
Wolf, you’re probably wrong
Granted, it’s possible
– and unbelievably naive.
Oh, come on. If you’re going to try to insult me, you have to do better. I can give myself better insults in my sleep.* 🙂
The Wolf
(* I’m just fooling around with you… I know you didn’t really mean to insult.)
WolfishMusings, his other names were blocked last night, so he’s using this one now.
I know. That was the point. 🙂
The Wolf
Hey, The Rov — welcome back. 🙂
The Wolf
Wolf, your wrong…we are hearing this might get some media attention….
Granted that I could be wrong. Let’s hope I’m not.
The Wolf
this story is about to get national attention.
No it’s not. Please. You think that if they lied on TPC that they’re the first? The only reason it’s big news with us is because it’s one of us. The rest of the world forgot about it by the time the next episode aired.
the media is hiding near their house.
Yeah, right.
they better have some good answers for the cameras.
No, they need to have good answers for the people in their community.
and tell mrs blondie to put some cloths on, not like when she pranced out onto national tv dressed like a you-know-what, with her husband sporting a beard and yarmulka.
She was dressed perfectly fine and in complete conformity with halacha. For heaven’s sake, you talk like she went on the show in a bikini. Get a grip.
what a disgrace. why isnt anyone talking about that part of this? did it not bother anyone else?
Because she was dressed perfectly fine.
The Wolf
You might want to check out the MTA’s FAQ. I haven’t looked, but I’d be shocked if there’s no complaint contact number there.
http://mta-nyc.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/mta_nyc.cfg/php/enduser/std_alp.php
The Wolf
Not all dashes are minuses – they can be put to other uses. 🙂
The Wolf
FWIW, to me, the decision to do this on television is far worse than the alleged fraud.
Listen, we’ve all been tempted in the past and we’ve all done wrong. None of us are tzaddikim gemurim. I can understand (even if I don’t condone) how the couple might have been tempted to get more than they may have deserved. They’re human and subject to the same temptations as the rest of us. Sadly, there are times that each and everyone of us succumbs to that temptation.
But what possessed them to do this on television is utterly beyond me. *That’s* far worse, IMHO. I believe Chazal were wise in their statement that if one is going to sin, he should go somewhere where he won’t be recognized so as to minimize the “bad publicity.”
Had they continued this in small claims court and lost, the worst that would have happened would have been a dismissal and maybe, maybe, a small blurb in the papers the next day — and then it would have been forgotten. This is far, far worse.
The Wolf
Sorry if it’s a little off topic but how do you become a moderator and what are the guidelines?
You become a moderator because you are born to a Mommy moderator and a Daddy moderator. 🙂
The Wolf
EDIT: FTR, I typed this before I saw your response. 🙂
FWIW, flying is statistically safer than just about any other form of transportation.
The Wolf
I bake challos.
So do I. You don’t want to be keeping company with me now, do you? 🙂
The Wolf
In any event, if the standard for the loss of a chelek in Olam Habah is telling LH without asking mechila, then just about everyone on earth lost theirs a long time ago.
I just want to make clear that with that statement I am NOT minimizing the sin of Lashon HaRah or discounting the damage it can do… but I am pointing out that if that’s the standard for Olam HaBah, then Olam HaBah is going to be a very sparsely populated place.
The Wolf
Its unbelievable that some people here have forfeited their chelek in olam habo.
Some of us determined that we had no chelek long ago for issues unrelated.
In any event, if the standard for the loss of a chelek in Olam Habah is telling LH without asking mechila, then just about everyone on earth lost theirs a long time ago.
The Wolf