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December 20, 2010 3:34 am at 3:34 am in reply to: Maybe I Should Compensate The Store Owner…? #727126WolfishMusingsParticipant
DISCLAIMER I am not addressing this to anybody in particular!!
If you say so… although then I wonder why you make this point davka in this thread as opposed to another or starting a new thread.
The Wolf
December 20, 2010 3:32 am at 3:32 am in reply to: Maybe I Should Compensate The Store Owner…? #727125WolfishMusingsParticipantWhat next? A question on how to give maser from salt?
Yes. You made your point that I’m no better than Esau. Congratulations. Happy?
The Wolf
WolfishMusingsParticipantIm with you 100% I am really bothered by that as well</em?>
Yes, but I am hypocritical in that while I get highly annoyed at people who talk through davening, I constantly talk during laining.
The Wolf
WolfishMusingsParticipantThe coffeeroom should put a “TV” mark under the screennames of posters with televisions, so others know where their non-Torah views on Jewish issues come from.
Cool… let’s see what else
CS – For those that eat Cholov Stam
CSh – For those that wear colored shirts
MO – For those that are Modern Orthodox
IN – For those that have the internet (oh, wait…)
GP – For those that say “Good Shabbos” to people of the opposite sex.
PH – For those who waste time with hobbies such as photography instead of learning Torah every possible moment.
NS – For those who got married outside the shidduch system.
JS – For those who wear jeans and/or sneakers
NY – For those who don’t speak or understand Yiddish
WO – For those who work for a living and don’t learn full time.
NHC – For those women who don’t cover their hair while alone in the house and while sleeping.
HNHC – For the husbands of the above women.
NOH – For those who don’t have Olam Habah.
NC – For those who don’t adopt every single chumra that becomes fashionable.
The Wolf (TV, CS, CSh, IN, GP, PH, NS, JS, NY, WO, HNHC, NOH, NC)
WolfishMusingsParticipantI’m sure their Rebbitzen’s opened the door for Reb Moshe and Rav Pam many more times than the other way.
I, for one, would LOVE to know how you can be so sure of that.
The Wolf
WolfishMusingsParticipantNo Wolf, but it would be a tragedy for him to wrongly judge someone.
Firstly, I don’t believe that stating that someone is factually wrong about something is “wrongly judging” them. Judging usually involves a moral or values judgment. If I state that Herbert Hoover was the first president of the US and someone points out that I’m wrong, they aren’t making any moral or value judgments — they’re simply stating that I am incorrect in my factual statement.
Secondly, if I really am wrong, then there’s really no tragedy, is there?
The Wolf
WolfishMusingsParticipantYou always remind me of my father-in-law. I know you’re not…but I feel like you would know him.
Thank you for the compliment. You’re correct… I’m not your father in law (none of my kids are married yet). As to whether or not I actually know him, I just couldn’t say.
The Wolf
WolfishMusingsParticipantAfter reading these posts, all I can say is that Eeees and I are truly, truly blessed. I always got along fantastic with my in-laws* and she always got along with my parents and my stepmother.
Not once in our near-twenty years of marriage has there been any friction between Eeees and my parents or myself and my in-laws. I only hope and pray that this continues onward forever.
The Wolf
* Interestingly, the first time I met my father-in-law-to-be was when he was sitting shiva for his father. I guess I sufficiently impressed him enough that night. I’m told that that night he told Eeees that he approves of me. 🙂
WolfishMusingsParticipantNo wolf, I’m not saying you’re wrong Chas V’shalom
Why Chas V’Shalom? Is it such a tragedy if I am wrong?
The Wolf
WolfishMusingsParticipantI think girls should open the car door for their dates.
And I also think healthy non-pregnant girls should give up their seats on the bus/subway for (same age) guys, as a matter of courtesy and mentchlichkeit.
I disagree. I think anyone should give up their seat for anyone else who needs it more (i.e. pregnancy, age, burdens, etc.) regardless of gender (although, I suppose, in the case of pregnancy, it has to be gender-based). I don’t think a healthy BY girl should give up her seat for a yeshiva bochur (all other things being equal), nor do I think the reverse should happen as well.
Of course, if a person wants to, they are free to give up their seats to whomever they want.
The Wolf
WolfishMusingsParticipantWolfishMusings: That’s a misunderstanding.
Is it? You said it was wrong “for so many reasons” including tzniyus. If you didn’t believe that it’s forbidden for a man to hold a door open for a woman (even with all other things being equal) then what did you mean by that?
The Wolf
WolfishMusingsParticipantin New York the subways have seats
No, the trains that run in the subway have seats. The subways themselves (i.e. the tunnels) do not have seats.
The Wolf
WolfishMusingsParticipantmbachur,
I don’t understand. Are you saying that I’m wrong? Are you saying that a lunar eclipse ISN’T a sign that the earth is between the sun and the moon?
Because that’s all I said. I made no theological statement on the matter at all.
The Wolf
WolfishMusingsParticipantWolfishMusings: I’m reading your comment as being equal both ways, unlike most others.
And I’m reading your OP that it’s assur for a man to hold a door for his wife/date even if it’s equal.
The Wolf
WolfishMusingsParticipantAt least WolfishMusings is agreeing there is no more reason a Yid should open it for her, than she for him. Look up chivalry before opining that it is permissible for a Yid to engage in.
But I *do* hold the door for her — you missed that salient point. You said it shouldn’t be done at all. The fact that she returns the favor on occasion doesn’t negate that.
The Wolf
WolfishMusingsParticipantAnd a Yid should definitely not be “romancing” someone he isn’t married (or at least engaged) to.
Heck, at least you’re better than some posters who say that a man shouldn’t be romancing even a woman that he is married to.
The Wolf
WolfishMusingsParticipantwhat are your takes on it (I’ve heard it’s considered a siman ra)
My take on it is that it’s a sign that the earth is in between the sun and the moon.
The Wolf
WolfishMusingsParticipantWhen Yosef brought Menashe and Ephraim to Yaakov for a Bracha, Yaakov asked, (Vayechi 48:8-9) “Mi Eileh” who are they?” Yosef answered, “Banai Heim; They are my children.” Rashi says that Yosef showed Yaakov his Shtar Eirusin and his Kesuba. The Sifsei Chachomim explains that Yaakov was afraid they were Mamzeirim and not worthy of a Bracha.
Ya’akov had already been in Egypt for seventeen years. Had he not in all those years asked Yosef whom he married? Had he not met his grandsons in all those years?
Of course, there’s also the issue that the only way Yosef could possibly have fathered a mamzer is with a close relative. A marriage between a Jew and a non-Jew does not produce a mamzer — especially in cases where it is the wife who is not Jewish. Under what possible circumstances could Yosef’s children have been mamzerim?
The Wolf
The Wolf
December 19, 2010 5:33 am at 5:33 am in reply to: How Long Have You Been Part of the YWN Coffee Room? #719277WolfishMusingsParticipantEver since I was a young pup.
The Wolf
WolfishMusingsParticipantI hear there’s a rumor to the effect that this WolfishMusings guy also posts under the name Wolfishmusings. 🙂
The Wolf
WolfishMusingsParticipantDo people who work in offices where men and women work in close proximity have issues with knowing when not to step over the line?
Some do — and some don’t.
The Wolf
WolfishMusingsParticipantSome people in the CR know who I am IRL.
The Wolf
WolfishMusingsParticipantMachlokes Rashi and the Rambam?
Or else (warning: possible heresy alert) possibly the Rambam was just wrong on that fact — especially in light of what is now known.
The Wolf
WolfishMusingsParticipantBefore you try excusing this behavior with whatever excuses you have, see if your excuse still stands after asking yourself this:
Why shouldn’t the girl open the car door for the guy?
Because it’s polite to hold a door open for someone. I sometimes hold the door open for my wife and sometimes she holds it open for me.
Got a problem with it? Does the Torah have a problem with it? Or is there some 614th mitzvah somewhere that says “Thou shalt only open your own door?”
The Wolf
WolfishMusingsParticipantWolfish – talking during davening
*Sigh* One of many. One of many.
The Wolf
WolfishMusingsParticipantMy pet peeve is people starting threads asking what other people’s pet peeves are. 🙂
The Wolf
WolfishMusingsParticipantI dont think that Shulchan Oruch is applicable nowadays
Heh… That was said four hours ago.
Had I said it, there would have been twelve posts by now protesting “how dare you say the Shulchan Aruch doesn’t apply today…” 🙂
The Wolf
December 13, 2010 3:24 am at 3:24 am in reply to: Maybe I Should Compensate The Store Owner…? #727111WolfishMusingsParticipantWe try our hardest to be honest in buisness thus; the store owner would not sell somone something on the tzad it would be harmful, same thing by the bank one would not owe the thief because it would not have been the thiefs money.
I understand that. But just because the store would not have pushed the item doesn’t mean that I might not owe them for a lost sale. The worker has the authorization to advise a customer on a sale. I do not.
did the right thing
I have no doubt that I did the right thing. But sometimes you incur expenses even when you do the right thing. *That’s* the basis of my question — not whether I was right or wrong (I’m pretty sure I was right), but whether in doing so, I owe money (much as one who takes damages another’s property while in the course of saving a life, if that’s indeed the halacha).
The Wolf
December 13, 2010 1:35 am at 1:35 am in reply to: Maybe I Should Compensate The Store Owner…? #727108WolfishMusingsParticipantThe worker gave you the authorization
That assumes the worker had authorization to give authorization. He may have, but he may not have.
but just so you know, it definitely would not be gluten free unless it says so on the packaging
That’s what I figured, which is why I answered as I did.
The Wolf
December 13, 2010 12:34 am at 12:34 am in reply to: Maybe I Should Compensate The Store Owner…? #727103WolfishMusingsParticipantwolf – If somonoe is abot to rob a bank and you stop the thief before he has a chance, do you think you have to reimburse the thief?
Surely you’re not equating potential legitimate profits with potential illegitimate gains?
The store owner is entitled to try to make a profit on the sale — which I deprived him of. The thief is not entitled to rob the bank.
The Wolf
December 13, 2010 12:14 am at 12:14 am in reply to: Maybe I Should Compensate The Store Owner…? #727100WolfishMusingsParticipanthe would have given her the same response
Perhaps, perhaps not. But as an employee of the store, he is presumably authorized by the owner to advise customers to purchase or not based on such factors — just as he can, presumably, use the store’s equipment.
I, on the other hand, had no such authorization. Again, I know I did the right thing — I’m just curious if, even despite doing the right thing, I still owe something to the store owner.
The Wolf
WolfishMusingsParticipantBTW, for those here who have claimed that all kosher marriages require a shidduch, and it is unacceptable to meet on one’s own, pray tell, who was Dovid and Batsheva’s shadchan?
Eeees and I like to tell people that we had the best shadchan — HKBH. 🙂
The Wolf
WolfishMusingsParticipantFirst of all, as many pointed out, it was downright rude behavior towards a Yiddishe neshama.
PY,
I appreciate the support. However, he apologized and I accepted. Let’s just move forward from here.
I don’t want this to turn into “pile on YIW.” 🙂 Instead, let’s just focus on the discussion at hand (which you did in the next paragraph).
The Wolf
WolfishMusingsParticipantanyone there?
I’m here. But I don’t know enough about the subject to give you any answers. Sorry. 🙁
The Wolf
December 12, 2010 11:31 pm at 11:31 pm in reply to: Naming A Child After Someone With Weird Name #1121146WolfishMusingsParticipantThe Rebbe said, no i mean did you ask the baby girl if she agrees to that name.
I understand the point the GR was trying to make, but, nonetheless, it leaves an interesting point.
Many people are unhappy about their names even if they are perfectly legitimate common names. Presumably those people were not asked about their names before they were given them as well.
Would the GR have said that such people have a claim against their parents? And if so, how can a person name his child anything?
The Wolf
WolfishMusingsParticipantFrom my understanding the reason why there are those who say the Chanuka lights are ????? ?????? even after the mitzva is over is specifically because during the mitzva one may not derive ???? from them, and therefore in the person’s mind he put that oil away for a mitzva so now he can’t use it for something else. However with Shabbos candles that ???? doesn’t apply, because they are made to have ???? from, during the time of the mitzva.
Unless I’m mistaken, we’re not discussing having further benefit from the wicks… we’re discussing the proper way to dispose of them once they’ve served their purpose for the mitzvah. In that, I’m not certain that there is a difference between whether they are “huksha l’mitzvosom” or not or whether the wicks are “assur b’hana’ah” or not.
There’s no hana’ah in disposing of wicks from Channukah or Shabbos lights. The only question (as I understand it) is regarding the proper way to dispose of something that was used for a mitzvah.
Or am I entirely misreading this conversation?
The Wolf
December 12, 2010 11:10 pm at 11:10 pm in reply to: My new "shtick" that Im trying to get others into… #716899WolfishMusingsParticipantFWIW, I always try to greet people — whoever it is — men, women, Jew, non-Jew, adult, child — with the appropriate greeting.
The Wolf
WolfishMusingsParticipantAccepted.
As I said, I understand that I don’t know everything. If you feel I’m wrong, I have no problem with you calling me out. All I request is that you do so civilly and rationally.
If you think I’m wrong about something I said about the Avos, then by all means, let’s discuss it in a rational and civil manner. I might be right, and I might be wrong. If the former, I’ll defend myself, if you convince me of the latter, I’ll admit that I was wrong.
(Of course, I find the whole thing a bit odd in that the comment was really meant to be self-deprecatory and not really about Ya’akov Avinu.)
The Wolf
WolfishMusingsParticipantWolf, it depends on who’s looking. But yes, there have been times I dropped a coin or two and decided not to pick it up based on this anti-semitic issue.
OK, I guess we just have to agree to disagree.
While there are times that I don’t pick up a coin that I dropped, it’s usually out of laziness. I don’t think that picking up a coin you just dropped should inflame any antisemites (or at least not beyond anything they would do just for your act of breathing).
The Wolf
December 12, 2010 7:22 pm at 7:22 pm in reply to: This thread is for WolfishMusings (specifically) #716343WolfishMusingsParticipantYou mean you cant translate it on your own?! Ah Nechtigen Tug! I should have known better….
If you say so. I guess that means you’re not going to summarize it for me. If so, then I can’t respond to you either way — with a proper response or an admission of wrongdoing.
The Wolf
December 12, 2010 4:18 pm at 4:18 pm in reply to: This thread is for WolfishMusings (specifically) #716328WolfishMusingsParticipantSummarize. I could have gone to the link too. Don’t copy and paste… summarize in your own words.
I would never just blindly give a text as a point. I would always summarize and provide a reference to the text for further verification. I ask the same courtesy of you.
Thanks,
The Wolf
December 12, 2010 4:05 pm at 4:05 pm in reply to: This thread is for WolfishMusings (specifically) #716325WolfishMusingsParticipantThe same can be true (and I would guess is likely true and I dont mean that to bash you) about many of the other things you think you know.
So, if you think I’m wrong, feel free to correct me. I never have a problem admitting that I’m wrong when I am.
I am well aware of my limitations intellectually and spiritually. I harbor no illusions that I am a scholar (or even intelligent at all) and that I “know it all.” I am certainly aware that I (like anyone else) can make mistakes (although, I suppose, I’m about a trillion times more likely to make them than anyone else).
So, if you think I’m wrong, don’t be afraid to call me out. All I ask is that it be done civilly.
So please Check out what the Kav Hayashar says about those who say such things and then see if maybe you have a little different attitude about it.
Again, please summarize it for me.
The Wolf
December 12, 2010 3:48 pm at 3:48 pm in reply to: Naming A Child After Someone With Weird Name #1121127WolfishMusingsParticipantGiving 2 names is worthless. The point of naming after the niftar is so it should be a iyluy for the neshoma, giving 2 names is like naming after somone else!
Since I have two names, I guess there is no point in my descendants naming someone after me when I’m gone. 🙁
The Wolf
December 12, 2010 3:46 pm at 3:46 pm in reply to: Naming A Child After Someone With Weird Name #1121126WolfishMusingsParticipantyour expected to give the name.
Ultimately, you and your spouse have to be happy with the name you choose.
When Eeees and I were expecting, we, of course, listened to suggestions regarding what to name our upcoming children — but we were never “expected” to choose a particular name. Ultimately, you have to remember that it’s *your* child — not your parents’ child or your in-laws’ child, or anyone else’s. You have to pick a name that *you* (and your spouse, of course) are comfortable with. No one has the right to “insist” that you choose any name over any other name.
The Wolf
WolfishMusingsParticipantHeh.
By Eeees and I, I paid for most of the dates, but there were some she paid for. In addition, our families split the cost of the wedding 50/50. And I didn’t make her go out and work after we got married.
I guess we’re not really a frum couple. 🙂
The Wolf
December 12, 2010 3:37 pm at 3:37 pm in reply to: This thread is for WolfishMusings (specifically) #716323WolfishMusingsParticipantRe: your two points.
1. OK, so I was wrong about the story. Thank you for setting the record straight.
2. I don’t know what “opinions,” in specific, you’re referring to. So, why don’t you tell me which opinions you are referring to AND summarize what the Kav HaYashar says and then I’ll respond as appropriate.
The Wolf
WolfishMusingsParticipantFrom Wolf and Itche’s above comments, I could think it would be okay to leave a video monitor running 24/7 in front of your home
I said nothing of the sort. I merely pointed out that the two cases (automatic lights going off when someone passes by and videotape running 24/7) are not analogous.
I said nothing about the permissibility or lack thereof.
Please contact your LOR.
The Wolf
WolfishMusingsParticipantMen are supposed to be the hunters. You are supposed to want to find a wife, provide for her and protect her. This is part of that process. If it is getting too expensive for your parents…. *gasp* you have to pay! Yes, this includes you, kollel guys.
Are you kidding? After a while, she *insisted* on paying for some of the dates.
The Wolf
WolfishMusingsParticipantI wasn’t aware that there was a “rule” that the boys pay for dates. FWIW, while I paid for most dates when we were dating, there were some times when Eeees paid.
The Wolf
WolfishMusingsParticipantHe does it for the reaction.
BZZZZT! I’m sorry, but you are incorrect, sir. Nonetheless, thank you for playing. We have some lovely consolation gifts for you backstage. 🙂
The Wolf (who, if he was going for reaction, could post things that are FAR more provocative).
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