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zahavasdadParticipant
I think my point was kind of lost. I was not looking for any reasons or excuses for OTD. Thats for another thread and another time.
During the 9 days we are suppose to be sad for a loss. Frankly for most its really hard to be sad. I want you honestly admit you are really sad for the destuction of the Bais Hamigdosh. It can be hard to be sad about that.
Its much easier to be sad about things we can more relate to and see in our everyday lives.
There is so much blame and sinchas chinum today, I was trying to pick something we could all agree on to be sad about.
zahavasdadParticipantMaybe the wording I used was incorrect.
But for this 9 Days and tsha B’av just mourn for the OTDers, The parents and siblings of the OTDers, Mourn for the children of OTDers. Mourn for the friends of OTDers. Mourn for the Klal Yisroel loss.
zahavasdadParticipantPeople who dont know anyone or THINK they dont know anyone dont understand.
Its not just why people react in negative ways, Its why someone would pay the price to go OTD. I dont understand it myself.
zahavasdadParticipantI know people who have gone to Meir Shearim and while dressed tzniut for their community were not dressed for Meir Sharium standards and were harassed by the Sikirum.
genenerally they enforce the standards on their own people and its not always true people are doing it for the love of the Mitzvah, Some do out of fear.
zahavasdadParticipantDY
I read the aricle from YWN, the names listed are Yair Lapid, MK Aryeh Deri, Minister Yaakov Peri, Minister Naftali Bennett, and MK Elazar Stern .
Except for Aryeh Deri none are from Charedi Parties
zahavasdadParticipant@Health In non-charedi communities the lay people would come out regardless what the leadership says and the leadership would then come out against as well
In the Charedi communities the lay people very rarely come out without rabbinic approval. I think most people understand this. Thats why people expect the Rabbinic leadership to come out against it. And more so in Israel when the Rabbanic leadership does make statements on more general issues.
zahavasdadParticipantThe difference between Charedi and Non-Charedi communities is very apparent in this incident.
The charedi communities are more homogeneous and want much more solidarity than non-charedi communities.
In general (but not always) you cant even join a charedi community if you dress differently. However the other communities there is much less uniformity.
Citizens of Tel Aviv relate to each other very differently than citizens of Bnei Brak. I describe it exactly but it is different.
Charedi communities tend to like the uniformity .
Thats why poeople might demand the Rabbis condem such actions but would not demand the same from the mayor of Tel Aviv for a mugging
zahavasdadParticipantThere is really no such thing as a community anymore except maybe Kiryat Joel and New Square and maybe Williamsburg.
Everywhere else including Borough Park is a hodgepodge of comminities
zahavasdadParticipantYiddish is not spoken today.
I dont know what they speak in certain communities , but its not Yiddish.
zahavasdadParticipantIm not sure you really want this.
Its been asked many times about issues like Ramat Beis Shemesh why the Rabbanim havent dont anything.
If they “enforce” tzniut, One should expect them to stop the Zealots in RMS and Meir Sharim. One should expect them to control the abusers. One should expect them to control other scandals that have rocked us lately
zahavasdadParticipantlamborghini
zahavasdadParticipantThere is a famous Frum Actress Mayim Bialik
zahavasdadParticipantBenjamin Franklin cuz he’s on the hundred dollar bill
Personally I prefer Salmon P. Chase.
If you have any pictures of him on some green paper, Ill take them all
zahavasdadParticipantYou can get houses for under $100,000 3 hours from Brooklyn
Scranton, PA
zahavasdadParticipantShelo Asani Isha is not biology
Biology,
That is not apikorsus. It’s is idiotic and halachically problematic but not apikorsus.
If the study how plants and Animals reproduce and grow is a Problem, then we would never know such things as how to grow enough food and studying cures for diseases
zahavasdadParticipantBTW I think the OP was also referreing to
On the other side, you have those who work within the “orginized community”, and interface between the community and its leaders. These are the “Gaboim”, “convincers” and “Hockers”, who push the leaders of the community to do things they would not have done otherwise. They create a layer of separation between the leaders and the people, and those are the problem.
And not Hatzalah, Tomche Shabbos and Misakim
zahavasdadParticipantGAW I think you decribed it best.
I was always told Hatzalah, Tomche Shabbos and Misaskim were more Tzdekahs not Askans
An Askan as I was told is
On the other side, you have those who work within the “orginized community”, and interface between the community and its leaders. These are the “Gaboim”, “convincers” and “Hockers”, who push the leaders of the community to do things they would not have done otherwise. They create a layer of separation between the leaders and the people, and those are the problem.
zahavasdadParticipantEVD stands for Eugene V Debs , he was a socialist. he ran for president in 1912 on an anti-war campaign and got 6% of the vote
zahavasdadParticipantIt actually was a conservative answer
Marriage was always controled by the states not the federal government, Take it up with Albany not the Supreme Court if you want the law changed.
The California Prop 8 wasnt decided at all, they just decided they litigants didnt have legal standing as was ruled by a lower court. Again dont like the law take it up with Sacramento or make another citizen prop
zahavasdadParticipantIt might be that some askanim do good things
However the possible poisoning of many situations There are others that you can think of that wont be named here have far been worse than any good they might have done
zahavasdadParticipantWithout getting into the Rav Stav , Rav Yosef affair to far.
I was told a list of controversial poskenings of Rav Stav was published and passed around and out of context they looked bad. However upon further review they were reasonable.
They are murmurings that askanim gave these Pskaks out of context to Rav Yosef
zahavasdadParticipantWe all know the Vilna Gaon put chassidim in Cherem .
I think we all also know that the Baal Shem Tov was a great Tzadik as were many of the early like Reb Levi Yitzchak of Berdichev. (They were all Tzadikkim)
Have you ever wondered why the Vilna Gaon put them in cherem.
zahavasdadParticipantAn Askan is an advisor
zahavasdadParticipantAn Askan went to the Vilna Gaon and told him he saw a Chassid eating on Tshia B’av with a female on his lap.
The Vilna Gaon then declared Chassdim Apikorsus and put them in Cherem.
The Askan DID NOT tell the Vilna Gaon the the Female was his grandaughter and it was Shabbos Tsha B’av (When eating is permitted)
zahavasdadParticipantNo matter how you want to spin it Most do not hold by the Eidah
zahavasdadParticipantMy yeshiva called me for a donation. I told them they did not support my ambition to work then so I will not support them now either since my money should be considered treif and donating would be considered Mitzvah Bo Bavayrah.
I have heard similar stories to this and many times the persons reaction was similar
zahavasdadParticipantEverybody is different. Different people need differnt paths in life.
There is no correct path for everyone. For some people the Kollel path is the correct way and for others trade path and others College and then a profession.
You cant paskin from an internet blog and say one rav is correct or incorrect without knowning the individual
zahavasdadParticipantegalitarian means men and women equally
zahavasdadParticipantNK were expelled from Satmar
Meeting with abedinejad and denying the holocaust was too much for most of their leadership
zahavasdadParticipantNK were expelled from Satmar
Meeting with abedinejad and denying the holocaust was too much for most of their leadership
zahavasdadParticipantIf you are willing to go a little further
Try Mt Marcy in the Adirondacks, Highest Mountain in NY. Its near Lake Placid
zahavasdadParticipantDelaware Water Gap
zahavasdadParticipantDaMoshe
Thats what I heard as well
zahavasdadParticipantAdelson’s money mostly comes from a Casino in Macau. I doubt many jews gamble in Macau
zahavasdadParticipantIn general the Non-Chassidish Charedi world is led by Litvish Rabbanim because thats who survived the Holocaust.
Rav Aharon Kotler in the US and Rav Kahaneman at Ponovitch in Israel.
zahavasdadParticipant“How many frum institutions were built with money from people like Meyer Lansky and Bugsy Siegel”
In the bialystock synagogue there is a memorial Plaque to Benjamin (Bugsy) Siegel right below his father Max Siegel.
zahavasdadParticipantIt seems Rav Moshe did allow the honoring of Non-Jews at dinner for things they did in the past (ie Righteous Gentiles)
zahavasdadParticipantYou have to look up all the sources including more contemporary ones
zahavasdadParticipantIm sure the Tur and the S”A never thought that a Non-jew like Wallenberg would deserve more respect than a Jew like Madoff
zahavasdadParticipantWho votes for the Chief Rabbi is it a public election or is it voted on by the Kenssett or some other body?
zahavasdadParticipantThere was an article and letter in one of the jewish newspapers (I think it was Mispacha, but I could be wrong)
Apparently many of the bochrim wish to earn a few dollars during bein hazmanim. The writer lamted that such holy angels should not be lowered to work for a few extra dollars.
zahavasdadParticipantFrankly sometimes is not even Halacha, Its just presentation
A Chiloni just might feel more comforatable with a Rabbi who speaks Hebrew with an Israeli Accent as opposed to a Yiddish accented hebrew. And the Hebrew accented on might speak to them in a matter they are accustomed to in their venacular. (as opposed to constantly quoting posukim and talking indirectly)
zahavasdadParticipantWe should allow them to produce mamzerim (whose grandchildren might marry mine and yours)?
Rav Moshe was generally very Makil on these issues when dealing with non-religious people. In some cases he probably made a bit of a stretch to prevent mamzeros. (Ie he claimed the Aidim werent kosher)
zahavasdadParticipantWhy don’t you question why the syntax of Modern Hebrew is European, not Hebrew?
It’s the same reason. People use the syntax of their first language.
Because when one speaks english, one should use the proper syntax of english.
Since modern hebrew was basically re-invented and there was no syntax, the syntax of European languages was used
zahavasdadParticipantMy understanding it was written by a Yeshiva guy on Purim
zahavasdadParticipantI think it has something to do with Yiddish, I think Yiddish is spoken that way and when the Jews came to the US they just adopted that grammar to english
zahavasdadParticipantIn case you hadnt heard it, the joke in the song is that the “averiahs” arent really averiahs, they are chumras like skipping Rabbenu Tams teffillin one day
zahavasdadParticipantBecause, in fact, the status if the marriages, divorces, and conversions of thousands of Jews lay in their hands.
The problem is you can be a makel ,Machmir or chumra machmir. When dealing with Chilonim (and I mean non-religious people as opposed to anti-religious) you have to treat them differently. many Chilonim might very well up to a religious wedding, but it doesnt mean they want to go overboard. Charedi control of the wedding beraeu has caused approx 20% of Israelis to marry in Cyprus. Exactly what was accomplished by being machmir?
Being Machmir doesnt always get your desired results
zahavasdadParticipantThe Chief Rabbis is for the Chilonim and the government not for the Charedim
No matter who the Chief Rabbi is the CHaredim will look to their own Rabbis. Ger to the Gerrer Rebbe, Belz to the Belzer Rebbe, Litvaks to Rav Shteinmen, the Sefardim to Rav Yosef etc.
zahavasdadParticipantYet you and your ilk insist that Rashi’s daughters wore tefillin.
Yeah the talking fish told me they wore tefillin
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