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The following was on one of the news networks.
“The man who made the widely seen cellphone video of the shooting, 22-year-old Raysean White, said he saw Blake scuffling with three officers and heard them yell, “Drop the knife! Drop the knife!” before gunfire erupted. He said he didn’t see a knife in Blake’s hands.
The Kenosha police union said Blake had the knife and refused orders to drop it. Blake fought with police, including putting one officer in a headlock, the union said. Police twice used a Taser, which did not stop Blake.”
Question, if the facts are as this report, what other options did the police have at the time?
Taser, already deployed and did not seem to work.
So what now? allow the suspect who is armed with a knife to get into the car with the children?
Are the cops only to use deadly force if their own lives are in immediate danger?
Syag,
Most people that had oxygen levels that were low usually had some breathing issues. What was weird was that the low saturations usually was way worse than the presentation. Usually, only patients that are very sick have very low oxygenation levels, with COVID even people with general decent presentations, and only mild respiratory symptoms had low oxygen levels.
Syag,
Disagreement is healthy.. But I believe that if one has zero breathing related issues. (zero as in not feeling short of breath after a brief walk around the room), it is unlikely that their oxygenation is effected.
If someone suspects they have COVID and does not have any breathing issues, such as shortness of breath, coughing, or any other breathing related symptoms (such as shortness of breath after a relative normal exertion), there is no need to check the oxygen saturation.
Jackk
“N0mesorah, if it is true that a health risk does not bother you on Trump then it shouldn’t bother you regarding Biden”
Different health concerns have different implications, cognitive issues will impede a president from doing his job the way he should.
The same cannot be said for something such as high blood pressure or other chronic illnesses.
A lot of people do not like Trump, but he does not have a cognitive issue.
Jackk
“2scents, are you a Doctor that can confirm that when someone needs two hands to lift up a glass of water there is no concern?
I did not say he had a stroke. If you can question Biden’s health, I can question Trump’s.”I would never use the argument of authority in a discussion, its silly and distracts from the actual argument.
You made a statement about two incidents that are months apart and mean nothing. You are not questioning the president’s health, you are just making absurd statements without any basis.
I am not questioning Bidens mental capacity, since we cannot evaluate him ourselves, it will all be subjective.
The facts are that he is being controlled and not on the open, there are no free questioning and everything he does is carefully monitored. This is a deviation of normal practice and is concerning.
That seems to be an objective observation.
Jackk
“It takes a great deal of chutzpah and hypocrisy for Trump to hammer Biden on an issue that he might also have”
a. The alleged condition that you brought up was for a CVA/TIA, not at all what is being pointed out on Biden.
b. He might have, but also might not have, which as per your logic would make it OK for Trump to point it ou.
c. You have not made a good case regarding Trump having a stroke, but for some reason you accept it as fact.
d. I do not know what Biden has or not, but it is fact that he is not doing what presidential nominees usually do, he does not take random press questions, and appearances are limited to a very small number of people at a time. This is not how things are supposed to be done, and it does give the appearance as if they are hiding something.
daniela,
“Why no one is mentioning that AVOIDING covid-19 is a very real possibility, has no side effects, and works?”
Because we are not really sure what works and what does not work.
Jackk
I am not sure what you are latching on, I just checked the alleged incident that might or might have not happened was in November of 2019. The claim is that the president had a stroke, yet the facts are not adding up, as there is no evidence of any symptoms that people with strokes have.
Oh, and the water incident appears to have been in June of 2020.
If you see a person picking up a cup using two hands, yet has no other noticeable neurological deficits, no need to be concerned.
Your handing on to conspiracy theories, it seems that Trump is not the person you would prefer being the president of the United States, I understand this and might even be that I share the same sentiment as you. But that does not make it ok to make up your own facts.
Jackk
You have certain statements that are unfounded. Those statements do not add up with the neurological deficits one would normally see on a patient that has the conditionyou alleged the president had.
jackk
Those are conspiracy theories. People with neurological deficits would have obvious signs, such as unsteady gate and unilateral deficits, and if this would have been an active medical issue Trump would need to disappear for more than just a few hours.
“The virus is not a hoax, It is real and affects our communities. I don’t care if others think its OK to protest and risk getting themselves sick.”
a. we still do not really know how best to contain it. NY despite its aggressive measures was hit the worst.
b. was there any increase in hospitalizations after the protests? Maybe mass gatherings and more asymptomatic positives are a good thing, as it increases herd immunity?n0msesorah,
Thanks for admitting that the facts are not clear (to us), which is enough of a reason not to rush to judgment. There are enough ways of explaining this in a way that justifies the actions of the police and there are a lot of questions that should be answered.
But the mainstream media and looters are capitalizing on this unfortunate situation and don’t really care about the facts, whatever they may be.
“I am not referring to what you think. I am recalling some of the drivel that has been inferred on this topic. If you can please enlighten me, as to what the implications of your post meant to you’
I dont think much, and my opinion doesnt matter much. It is the facts that are available and the due process that matters. If the facts turn out to prove one way or another that is all that we have.
Your post is based on the implication that Floyd was killed by the cops.
Yet it might very much be that all the cop did was hold Floyd down to the floor without occluding his airway or any blood vessels and it was the large dose of opiate that Floyd (might have) consumed that caused the respiratory depression or apnea.
Whatever did or did not happen, its for sure the optics are not good and Floyd did not ‘deserve’ to die. Yet, the question really is if he was killed by the cops or by the opiates in his system. Would the outcome be any different if he would have been seated in the back seat without any force. Fentanyl is pretty fast acting, if he just consumed a rather large dose of fenatnyl, he might have arrested in the back seat of the police vehicle.
Unless one gets a kick out of looting and rioting, any rush to judgement is bad and might one day come back to bite someone else.
The latest filing of the Hennepin County Medical Examiner shows that George Floyd had fatal levels of fentanyl levels and had Floyd been found dead at home, it would have been ruled an overdose death.
Furthermore, the autopsy revealed no physical evidence suggesting that Mr. Floyd died of asphyxiation.
I do not know the answer to this, and some Chassidim are makpid on davenining before the zman tefilah. Yet I believe this was done intentionally by the chassidishe rabbonim post WWII who believed that it is a necessary change.
It might very much be that the Biden campaign is trying to give credibility to the notion that Biden does not have full mental capacity, and when the republicans use that as their primary hock against Biden, Biden will then show that this was all a distraction and he is sharper than ever.
CTL,
The services that you listed are not funded on the federal level, and some of them actually do cover themselves financially as they get compensated by billing insurance companies for their services.
yet, if the expenses exceed the income, the local government will use tax-money that they collected, so the local communities can have access to these vital services.
CTL
Reforms are necessary and those services that people usually get from the post office should not be discontinued. There are a number of alternative options.
Charlie,
I believe the idea is to reform the USPS, not shut it down.
I get it, the usps charges a fraction than non government shipping companies.
Yet, its coming at a massive monetary costs, something needs to be done so it can either break even or at least burn a few billion dollars less per year.
CTL
Maybe because the actual cost of delivering the parcel actually costs a lot. Hence the reason the USPS is losing billions of dollars on a yearly basis?
I am no logistics expert, but for those worried because they are reliant on the postal service, there are other companies that offer similar serviecs, such as FedEx, UPS or DHL.
With the extremely rapid rate of transmission it would be fair to assume that the areas that were infected first were the first ones to be exposed to the virus. Which is why some are saying that it was released from a lab and maybe the Wuhan lab.
Why are you saying that it was not the Wuhan lab?
health,
I was responding to n0m, who stated that viruses are a part of our existence. As to dismiss the fact that viruses are harvested in labs and there is a possibility that they might have been released.
“Viruses are part of our existence. Blame whomever you blame for your own existence.”
yet we try very hard to minimize becoming infected from viruses, which is why we have vaccines and try not to release dangerous contageous viruses from labs.
n0mesorah,
a. What are your sources for these claims.
b. Please tell us that your not going by the data that the Chinese government released.
Silly discussion, blaming politicians from the opposing party. As if the local politicians from your own party had any clue what they are doing.
jdf007
Are you posting from China?
If the true numbers were transparent and the rapid transmission and the loss of treatment options were communicated, the world would have a chance to properly prepare for this pandemic.
jdf007
Shanghai lab shut after posting the genome of the Covid19 virus.
All news reports indicated massive coverups going on in China with scientists and doctors that veered from the official line, to be punished.
These are just two examples.
Interesting, seems like Charlie and the Netura Karta have pretty similar views.
akuperman,
Obviously the question the OP raised was if the Chineses government are to blame about the virus, not the actual Chinese population.
Personally, I believe that due to the nature of the Chinese being so secretive it will take a while if ever, for the truth to be known. At this point its all speculation.
We do know that it originated in China, and that it was initially downplayed by the Chinese government.
“Why was a braindead person put on life support if the foetus was no longer alive or viable”
I am not sure about the case your referring to. However, usually the say this works is that patients are placed on life support prior to them reaching an irreversible state.
Reb Eliezer
“The question is if then, is it worthwhile to take on any risk?”
The question is if it helps.
For patients that are already very sick, that we know it does not help, for the patients that are still at the early stages of the disease some are arguing that it does help.
As of yet, there is no conclusive evidence to this, some argue that desperate times call for desperate measures. Usually, we like to have clear evidence before a treatment protocol is widely accepted.
If this treatment turns out to actually be effective, the potential risk for most patients is minimal.
Ubiq,
My post was directed at Charlie Hall who put down other posters making it sound like some states got all wrong and as if there is some authoritative consensus as to how to deal with the virus.
While progress has been made, there are still a lot that is unknown. Including as to why other states have much less hospitalizations and death rates than others.
How does that add up?
Less hospitalizations, but similar mortality level?
Are these people dying at home, or do they have a greater mortality rate once hospitalized?
Some good news it seems like a vaccine will be available shortly and initial testing seems that it is safe and effective.
No one is enjoying any deaths, let alone mass deaths.
Not sure you can be taken seriously when you make such vile accusations.
Charlie,
Can you explain as to why once the lockdown has been lifted, the cases remained extremely low?
Also, why is the hospitalization and death rate not matching those of NY/NJ despite the higher positive rate?
With regards. to the studies that were stopped, can you elaborate as to the patients that were included in the study, patients at home with just mild symptoms such as were seen in the early phases of the illness, or those already admitted to a hospital?
Charlie,
To summarize, Trump is bad, Cuomo is good. Decisions on the local level including within the local healthcare system and hospital decisions as well as PPE stock is all the federal government’s fault.
Got it.
“It is a shame that you feel this is a political issue. I guess on some level the great depression was a political issue as well as it gave rise to fdr and Nazi Germany.”
Actually, your proving my point.
This is NOT a political issue, yet both sides are inserting their biases into this discussion.
To rephrase, this is not a political issue, yet it is being used for political reasons with no regard for the science.
The problem is that politics and biases are a factor, on both sides of the argument.
This should be a scientific and fact-driven discussion.
Even your post has politics in it, you have demonstrated your political bias and even inserted it as part of your argument. You are guilty of the same thing you are accusing others.
“I was asking if you are advocating for Federal Agents, like Portland has. I have no idea how it is helping. And it seems to be at least borderline unconstitutional. Is it a dress rehearsal?”
It seems like they are vandalizing federal property. Now, I am not sure if that changes anything from a legal perspective. But at least some can understand as to why the federal government is getting involved.
Furthermore, if the population is being threatened by vandalists and looters, and the local municipality and the state are refusing to take action, while it might not change much legally, it would seem justified for the feds to move in and establish normal order.
Charlie
“My wife has lost jobs because she refused to work on Shabbat.”
Kiddush Hashem!
They should ask their doctor about it, its a medication. Medication is not something that you just decide to obtain and take on your own.
I dont believe that anyone is making the argument that one political party is equal to the Jewish religion. Rather that one is more in line and should be supported over the other.
n0mesor,
I am not sure the source for Floyd swallowing drugs prior to his arrest. However, the amounts found in his blood were pretty decent, especially if you combine all the different types of opioids together. When that gets mixed with meth, it can do really bad things.
Now, people respond differently to different levels of opioids, depending on how often and much they ‘use’ these drugs.
We can save lives if we all started walking around with helmets.
I just read the autopsy report, from the Hennepin County medical examiner. There is nothing in the report that would indicate the cause of death. Yet, they do list pretty decent doses of opioids found in the patients blood and that was mixed with meth.
This leaves room for the defense to argue that what actually was happening was the opioids kicking in, which cause respiratory depression and not the knee to the neck.