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“a person created through Sefer Yetzirah”
In a weird way this reminds me of the story told over by Rav Shalom Shwadron Z’l about the Shagas Aryes biheima (no he didnt create an animal using sefer yetzira).
“The R”Y agreed with his talmid.”
I heard that the R”Y was Rav Gifter Z’l.
This thread reminds me of the story (whether it is true, or an urban legend, I dont know) they say over about the steipler z’l. An avreich approached him explaining how his house is always “flying” until the last minute on a friday afternoon, and how his wife cant seem to go any faster (seems he was looking for a nice way to get his wife to move faster). The steipler z’l is reported to have told him “grab a broom” (translated from the yiddish).
Are they really “rioting” (am using the word of the OP – I have NO idea what is going on at all) against a girls school, or is there some underlying issue that is really at the core and the school is just a way to bring it out?
hashkafic issues aside..
i dnt wnt my kds txtng bcz thy wl looz the art of prpr comm and spllng. I also have a soft spot for vowels and I dont want to see them go the way of the penny.
Perhaps she doesnt know everything she wants to say by heart, so she has a siddur. Even when she is busy, she is trying to find time to daven. I find that laudable.
Please elaborate?
When my wife was a full time stay at home, most of the household work fell to her. Now that she is out working, I help pick up the slack with housework which includes dishes, laundry, shopping and cleaning.
The credit card company knows exactly who to refund the money to. Call them. Tell them what you told us.
I was in a major department store and an item clearly marked $18.95 rang up at the register as $1.89. Someone obviously entered it wrong, in the computer. They honored the price that rang up on the register, then advised me to play the numbers 189 in the lotto 🙂
They also told me not to bother trying to go back to the shelf because they already corrected the error. 🙂
“a tefillah here and there.”
That is exactly what she is doing. Brachos on this block. Korbanos on the next. Ashrei on yet another block.
Please try not to be so negative when looking at people. I know we are not all on the magreiga of the Berditchiver, but less than 2 weeks away from the Yom Hadin it cant hurt to try. We all know that we want the Ribbono Shel Olam to view our actions the same way.
I work with married and single women, both Jewish and non Jewish. When I asked my Rav he told me that there is no issur to address the women by the names they are called by everyone else in all business settings. As a result I work with cheryl, sindy, chana, maria, rebekkah, mrs johnson and svetlana.
I think it’s best to leave the esoteric, to those involved with the esoteric.
About 20 seconds.
I agree. Food and booze should be available to everyone.
In the state where I live (NY), you can download the materials from the DMVs website. You can go to www dot dmv dot ny dot gov (links to outside sites are not allowed). If you dont live in NY State, I’m sure the state you live in has a similar set up.
This is only an issue with the Bubbies?
Bottom line. Whats is the issue with the bubbies of Ramat Beit Shemesh (their recipes for gefilte fish notwithstanding)?
FIXTHEWORLD. The only definitive statement I made was regarding your use of hyperbole. Otherwise, I clearly stated I dont know what goes on in RBS, nor do I know what it is that irks you about the way the “not tznius bubbies” are dressing there. Perhaps you would like to clarify your opening post?
You made the statement that they are dressing like non jewish high school girls. Does this mean they are wearing skirts that barely reach mid thigh? tops that reveal way more then they cover? body jewelry such a studs on their tongues?
Did I justify anything or did I say I am not their Rav or husband? Lack of education is not a justification, but if it IS the reason, reach out and teach them, otherwise nothing will change.
Aside from the comment “dress like non jewish high school girls” which is clearly hyperbole, why do you assume they are dressed according to degenerate western standards? Perhaps the standards the OP wishes these women to be held to is the one upheld in Meah Shearim. You can engage in all the hyperbole you wish, it is counterproductive.
Which court in Ramat Beith Shemesh would you like to enforce hilchos tznius? Whose standard will they enforce?
I have never been to Ramat Beit Shemesh and have no idea what type of population lives there or how it dresses. This thread reminded me though of another “not tznius bubbe” who I accidently met this past summer. While waiting in Monticello for the heimishe bus back to Brooklyn, a car pulled up and asked if anyone wanted a ride back to Brooklyn. The man seemed nice enough and I took him up on his offer. Once in the car, I had the pleasure of meeting his wife, a very not tznius bubbe. I quickly learned a lesson in not judging people when they started telling me about their family. Turns out, this “not tznius bubbe” supports 3 sons in law and 1 son who are learning in Kollel. Perhaps she was not raised the same way as girls are today and does not have an appreciation for what tznius means. I dont know, and I cant change someone else. Is her support for her childrens torah for naught because she dresses inappropriately? thats not for me to answer, that is for the beis din shel maalah. If I was her Rav or confidant, I would think about how to approach her manner of dress. Until then, I can only assume she doesnt know better, or simply does not have an appreciation for tznius because she was never taught to appreciate it.
While I do not have a solution, I do believe it is safe to say that hyperbole such as referring to how they dress as “non-jewish high school girls” is nothing short of inflammatory and will solve nothing. As an aside, to illustrate just how foolish a comment this is, this is what is considered an acceptable standard for non jewish high school girls, (this is from an article from the San Jose Mercury News, you can google it if you like) …. “the move to make cheerleaders wear sweats under their uniforms was enforced so they could fall in line with a dress code that requires all skirts or shorts to stretch lower than mid-thigh”. Hyperbole, it gets nobody anywhere, fast.
“its not derech achila”
And depending on how yoshon it is, it may not be rauy liachila either.
“”bite the bullet”,”
Is it yoshon? Whose hechsher?
Tell them to eat before they come.
I am married b”h over 18 years, perhaps things have changed in that time. If your daughter is ready when the young man shows up, you can introduce them and usher them out after exchanging pleasantries. Always worked for me. The longer I had to sit and nurse a soda and some rugelach and make small talk with the girls parents until she made her grand entrance it was awkward for everyone. As the young man keeps coming back you will be more comfortable with him. May all your daughters find their zivug quickly.
As much as you dont want to hear this, your parents are wrong in discussing this with the rest of the family. Probably lots of lashon hara and rechilus and possibly some motsi shem ra for good measure going around the house right now. The only one who must agree with the decision of your brother in law, is your sister. Can we assume he make the decision in consultation with his Rebbe or Rav?
You should stay out of it. When your parents discuss this walk away, you are not obligated to listen. If your parents keep this up, your sister and brother in law will stop visiting altogether and will probably break off contact. Do your parents want that?
As for your shidduch, if your parents keep badmouthing your sister and brother in law it will eventually get around. the other side will probably start to say things about your parents. Then 3rd parties will get involved (to defend the honor of their chashuve friends). Word will get around, do you think anyone would want to touch your family with a ten foot pole?
Your parents have a right to disagree with his decision to go to work. As adults, they might want to try having a rational discussion with their daughter and son in law to understand what is behind his decision. They dont have to agree with it, just respect the fact that he made a decision that they disagree with.
There is surely more going on than just this.
About as many that manufacture bekeshes.
What is most disturbing about the story though is not the purported facts, but rather, how people are so quick to say negative things about whole communities.
“Chassidim can choose between a thousand different shirts/sweaters/suits/shtreimels/bekeshes/shoes.”
True. There are thousands of black pants, shoes, suits, streimels, sweaters and bekeshes to choose from. Equally true is that there are thousands of white shirts to choose from.
Sigh
So nu, log off and engage Larry in such a way that you will create a positive impression of torah in his mind, so that he might consider shopping at another dealer.
“I just don’t understand why a picture of a woman’s head/face needs to be blocked.”
Remember the brouhaha over the hemishe publication that edited hillary clinton out of a photo? I and a lot of other people agree with you, but many disagree. I cant explain their reasoning though.
Regarding these “images”, doesnt the midrash describe some rather “forbidden” images that shlomo hamelech had put on the walls of the beis hamikdash? I vaguely remember my sisters discussing this when they were in seminary and learned sefer melachim. Its been a while.
“in response to the resistance argument the story of the satmar rav is well known.”
What story might that be?
Some other Yogi classics.
Never answer an anonymous letter
Its deja vu all over again
You can observe a lot by watching
The future aint what it used to be
“who said, “Always go to other people’s funerals, otherwise they won’t come to yours.”
he also famously said, “When you come to a fork in the road, take it.”
The same guy who supposedly said, “it gets late early around here” and “nobody goes there anymore, its too crowded”.
Shlishi. Please quote all the words of the SA for us (alternatively, please tell us where it is so that we can read the words for ourselves).
Dont provide just the answer. Please also provide the specific question asked.
There is a sucker born every minute.
“There is no purpose or heter to smell her perfume (pashtus).”
Why do you assume that people wear perfume or cologne for the express purpose that other people should smell them for enjoyment? People wear cologne so that they smell plesant. Pleasant does not equal attracting. However, since you are of the opinion that there is no heter (which I will extrapolate to mean that you believe it is assur), can you cite a posek who concurs with you?
There is a difference between being aware of a fragrance and “smelling” a fragrance. When you walk down the street and there are McDonalds burgers grilling nearby are you “smelling” the aroma of the burgers, or are you aware of the aroma? You dont see a difference between being aware that of an aroma and smelling the same aroma for enjoyment? why is a girl allowed to dress in her shabbos clothes for a date, she should dress in rags according to your logic. no makeup either. in fact, a frumpy sweatshirt should be the requirement.
If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck,looks like a duck, sounds like a duck don’t assume it is a duck, if you don’t know what ducks look like, it might be a snake.
Don’t spend money on women you don’t know.
Try Yesodei Yeshurun in Queens (I know you dont want 5 boros, but is worth a shot) or their sister Yeshiva in Monsey, Yesodei Yisroel.
I heard that on some of the more modern dairy farms, the cows have been trained to go over to the milking machines and connect themselves and get milked whenever they feel they must be milked.
Try the fancy cakes and pastries gemach. they have wooden and styrofoam miniatures and full sized mock ups of all your favorite cakes and pastries. Why pay $75 for a cake nobody will eat (well, the men will, but these fancy cakes and pastries always get set up on the ladies side) and only oooh and aah over how it looks, when for a minimal donation to the gemach, you can have all the eye pleasing cakes and pastries decorating your tables. they have stuff for a good many themes and color schemes.
I dont know where in Kensington this meeting took place. I may be wrong, but not all areas of Kensington are coverned by ANY Eruv. The eruv from BP doesnt go all the way to Ocean Parkway and the flatbush eruc doesnt extend all the way down either. It IS possible that the person was actually in an area where there is no eruv, according to any opinion. Whether that should be the very first thing you say to someone you happen to meet, is another story.
Regarding Kensington, I dont live in the neighborhood, but the friends and relatives that I do know in the neighborhood are all very friendly people, in fact, some of the relationships were started by a conversation waiting for the pediatrician, waiting on line in a store, so yes, people from Kensington DO engage people they dont know in friendly conversation.
BPT. Dont know about still worn, but I do know you can still buy it. It was right next to the bottle of Drakkar I recently bought.
“perfume is not tzniusdik.
the smell makes people get attention from strangers.”
So does the odor caused when one does not bathe for a week. Perhaps we should institute that women bathe daily on grounds that it is untsniusdik otherwise?
“I just spoke on the phone to a great Rabbi.”
Did you explain to him that you are “going on chat rooms and private messaging women, trying to seduce them to marriage”? You are lucky he told you to engage a shadchan, and didnt call the police that you are harassing people.