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  • in reply to: Different Tracks of Modern Orthodoxy #2161397
    AviraDeArah
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    Dofi, you must be late to the party; I’ve been derided quite a lot over what my job is, and I’m sure some parents here would be terrified at the thought of me teaching their children, but what can i do…

    in reply to: Different Tracks of Modern Orthodoxy #2161335
    AviraDeArah
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    Dofi, i never said those were the only two options. Chasidim are not unsuccessful in the world, and yserb agrees that the litvishe are “ok” in his view, he also agrees that MO has serious problems, but says that they’re better off than chasidim

    So i asked a pointed question to ascertain where his values are – if he had a choice between being what he thinks a chossid is, or an average MO person, which would he choose?

    I’m personally litvishe and i have a job, but that’s not the issue at hand here.

    in reply to: What’s Our Response to Environmentalists. #2161320
    AviraDeArah
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    Avram – i hear you. Direct cause and effect, like dumping the garbage, is a good example, which begs a question..why does it natter what my decision is if it’s going to happen anyway? The answer is that it depends on whether or not the decision to do something falls in line with Torah. If the Torah says you’re not supposed to waste food by throwing it out the window, or that you’re not supposed to throw garbage out of a window indiscriminately, because there might be someone there, then a decision to do so would be a bechira decision against the Torah.

    But are we commanded not to do actions which harm the environment? If we make smog and hurt people’s breathing, which is a visible, dirext consequence, like throwing garbage out of the window, then such a decision would be a bechira decision against the Torah. But as you said, the damage done would have happened anyway, and the only difference is in the judgement of those responsible.

    This is like paroh’s claim to Hashem, that He decreed the jews would be slaves, so why is He mad at paroh? Hashem answered, who asked you to be the rasha to do it?

    But for environmentalism as a movement, which believes that humans can hurt the environment or save it, we’d ask ourselves; does the Torah say anywhere to investigate things like the greenhouse effect and other things that climatologists say will ruin or damage the planet? The Torah places us as responsible for the well-being of ourselves and others, but does it ever say that we are to be tasked with protecting the world? Or is that something that we leave up to Hashem as we go about our lives living chayei tevel?

    It would be similar to a scientific prediction that a meteor is about to hit earth in 25 years. Countries will start a space race to make colonies on the moon; does that mean a Torah jew should join the movement? No, because without a world, there can be no proper kiyum hamitzvos. We either accept that the world is ending, and do teshuva and daven, knowing that it is only in the hands of Hashem, or we deny it and say that the scientists are wrong.

    Same thing here. My main problem is that frum jews who believe in the climate cult do not respond with calls to do teshuva and daven. Instead they think they can fix it on their own. I personally side wirh rav avigdor miller, who called the whole thing a left wing conspiracy. But i can definitely see room for a believing jew to accep their predictions – as long as the response is that of a jew dacing a gezerah min hashomayim.

    in reply to: Different Tracks of Modern Orthodoxy #2161308
    AviraDeArah
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    Also, while many in MO are coming around, a very large amount are moving more to the samech mem, i.e. the left, with increasing abandonment of torah, gender bender and LGBT tolerance, open orthodoxy, etc…

    More and more out of town pulpits are being taken by open orthodox “rabbis” which were previously held by young israel types.

    Modern orthodoxy in its current state presents the greatest ideological threat to the continuity of judaism outside of the yeshiva and chasidishe world. It was never as bad as it is now.

    in reply to: Different Tracks of Modern Orthodoxy #2161305
    AviraDeArah
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    Yserb, please clarify: what is worse in your view, to be successful in Torah and mitzvos while unsuccessful in worldly matters, or to be an ignorant sinner with anti torah philosophies while being wildly successful in worldly matters?

    Which would you choose if you had the choice?

    in reply to: What’s Our Response to Environmentalists. #2161253
    AviraDeArah
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    Avram, bechira allows a person to decide to do something, but does not allow it to happen unless it’s min hashomayim. There’s no other power besides Hashem in the world.

    in reply to: Different Tracks of Modern Orthodoxy #2161207
    AviraDeArah
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    Also, rav gorelick, with his family, started yeshiva of south fallsburg, one of the most yeshivish yeshivos in America.

    in reply to: Different Tracks of Modern Orthodoxy #2161194
    AviraDeArah
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    Yserb, you simply have values outside of torah if you think that lack of education causes more harm than institutionalized sin and heresy(the act of comingling and the idea that it’s proper, respectively).

    What MO does is robbing Jewish children of avodas Hashem and olam haba. What a lack of education supposedly does, according to critics, at its worst, is harm a child’s ability to get around in olam hazeh. But it’s demonstrably false, because chasidim have very strong communitiea and families. Do you live for olam hazeh? I think it sounds like you do.

    As for rav Shapiro, he didn’t spend that much time talking about his illustrious father in law, rav yeruchan gorelick, teaching in YU. He wrote that rav gorelick was vehemently opposed to modern orthodoxy, sent good talmidim away from YU, and only remained there due to parnosa necessity. Originally rabbi yoshe ber had told rav gorelick that the only yeshiva that can make it in America was YU, to which rav gorelick would krechtz about later, when the exact opposite was proven, where YU is a tiny fraction of the yeshiva world.

    in reply to: Different Tracks of Modern Orthodoxy #2160973
    AviraDeArah
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    I didn’t write much on frumteens either, but I was in touch with rabbi Shapiro quite often; i still talk to him once in a while, in fact. He was planning on writing his book on zionism for many years; originally it was going to be based on frum teens, but it ended up being a veritable encyclopedia!

    in reply to: Different Tracks of Modern Orthodoxy #2160956
    AviraDeArah
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    Ujm, were you by any chance Taon over there?

    in reply to: Stop the trend of post going to Brisk and its proxies #2160915
    AviraDeArah
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    Lernt, there are a lot of brisker hangahos which have become popular among Yeshivaleit, mostly because so many go to brisker affiliated yeshivos. This includes the brisker rov’s chumros on daled minim, particularly the “chut” for hadasim and a very strict standard for yavesh on Lulavim, as well as taking multiple types of Esrogim. Also included are chumros in tekias shofar, and having thick payos. There are a lot of other examples, but i can’t think of them off the top of my head.

    in reply to: Different Tracks of Modern Orthodoxy #2160862
    AviraDeArah
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    Ujm, you’re being mezakeh rabbi Shapiro after his writings are not as accessible as they used to be. These essays were part of my transformation from the spiritual depravity of the MO life to true torah, and reading his words gives me tremendous nostalgia and warm feelings. Thank you

    in reply to: Stop the trend of post going to Brisk and its proxies #2160861
    AviraDeArah
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    Lernt, brisk is a torah community. Rav avrohom yehoshua wouldn’t have been accepted if he weren’t reoi lekach.

    in reply to: Stop the trend of post going to Brisk and its proxies #2160823
    AviraDeArah
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    American, that was a well put explanation of bikores – thank you.

    I also find it ironic that damoshe is fine with his rebbe, who is not from the gedolei hador, criticizing rav avrohom yeshoshua, but is not ok with rav avrohom yehoshua criticizing other rabbonim…

    i suppose it’s ok because it’s your own rebbe, and maybe it gives damoshe a little more comfort in rejecting the frummest elements of klal yisroe, in favor of the fabric-wearing crowd.

    in reply to: WANTED — Looking to Hire Immediately #2160825
    AviraDeArah
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    I think anyone with the time on their hands to moderate an internet forum isn’t qualified to levy daas torah decisions, myself included. That doessn’t mean I can’t use this forum to spread the daas torah that ive acquired from my rebbeim, however.

    in reply to: Stop the trend of post going to Brisk and its proxies #2160644
    AviraDeArah
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    Da, there are conditions upon which brisker roshei yeshiva were historically very maikil with tefilah betzibur; rav avrohom yehoshua doing so under those circumstances is not a surprise to me at all.

    One of the rabbonim from the Brog family, i forget which one, gave a drasha about the importance of having a rebbe to us bochurim in camp about 8 years ago. He mentioned his literal adventures with rav dovid soloveitchik, who he developed a close relationship with. He offered to take rav dovid on a bein hazmanim trip, which rav dovid surprisingly agreed to! When it became time to daven mincha, he chose to daven alone, because he was makpid to wear talis and tefilin by mincha, and he didn’t want people around him to think he was a member of a certain chasidus that I’d rather not mention.

    Rav chaim brisker held that minyan is not a chiyuv, which is part of why brisker roshei yeshiva aren’t as makpid on it as other segments of the Torah world.

    Respecting the position of rosh yeshiva when talking to impressionable bochurim is extremely important. It’s like how parents must respect their children’s rebbeim even if they think that they’re mistaken, because of the position they occupy. Now you can switch your kid’s rebbe, but as long as he’s in the class, he needs to have a high impression of the rebbe, as representative of Torah. For a rebbe in darchei to publicly disparage noy just a rosh Yeshiva, but someone many of his talmidim will go to to learn from, is against his duties as a rebbe. To me, it’s enough to make him upgefreight; disqualifying.

    Moshe was even told to show kovod malchus to paroh….is rav avrohom yehoshua worse??

    Again, brisker “bikores” is misunderstood, the same way your rebbe misunderstood davening beyechidus. Maybe he should learn the brisker toros before talking about things he clearly has no idea about.

    in reply to: How to Reduce the Cost of Getting Married #2160642
    AviraDeArah
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    There’s precedent for giving a kallah a lot of money for kiddushin, as the bnos beis shamai would only accept kiddushin from several gold dinnarim(i forgot the number).

    Granted, a vort is noy kiddushin at all. Also, giving presents to one another in the yichud room, which are very expensive, is based on gemara as well.

    Perhaps we can switch to lab created diamonds, which many peoole have already done; they last as long as natural ones, and have exactly the same physical, molecular properties. Only under a microscope can a jeweler with a keen eye tell by the perfect uniformity of a lab diamond that it’s not natural. They’re much cheaper than natural diamonds.

    Jewelry makes a kallah feel appreciated and special to her chosson; regardless of the exact type of jewel used, it’s an important part of the formation of a zivug.

    If we’re going to look to make chasunos more affordable, there are many, many things that can be done. Cheaper halls, no schmorgasboard, no 10 man band, no liqueur on every table…there are ways of making a chasuna feel just as much bakavodik, with virtually no one noticing a difference, without spending unnecessarily.

    in reply to: WANTED — Looking to Hire Immediately #2160643
    AviraDeArah
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    Ujm, there are 4 or 5 of us yeshiva people on here….take your pick

    in reply to: Quick Quote from Rabbi Yoel Roth #2160442
    AviraDeArah
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    It’s not assur, but it’s a waste and bitul torah

    in reply to: Different Tracks of Modern Orthodoxy #2160403
    AviraDeArah
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    Yserb, yekkishe rabbonim all had doctorates; it was part of his path to the rabbinate. German Jews respected people who were educated; it was that way since the aruch l’neir.

    As for what you heard, talk to people who are into learning from Washington heights. A great deal sent their kids to my Yeshiva, and i know them personally. The Yeshiva rav breur started also teaches no such thing as secular studies being independently important, as rav Boruch ber described as pure apikorsus, that there is enlightenment outside torah, chas veshalom. Rav breuer hired people like the novominsker rebbe who certainly didn’t think fhat way, to be roshei yeshiva.

    Derech eretz doesn’t equal secular studies.

    If you heard that derech eretz has value besides parnossa, then you’re 100% right. Derech eretz, the full spectrum of worldly involvement, is a means of glorifying Hashem in the world, perfecting one’s character, and is far more than just making money or secular studies.

    Again, nowhere does rav hirsch or rav breuer, or rishonim, chazal, or anyone besides maskilim, say that secular studies in themselves have value besides helping one learn torah or earning a living.

    Rav hirsch writes, based on chazal, that the chochmos are the handmaids of Torah; they serve the torah, they are not anything of themselves.

    Torah umada, made by people inspired by maskilim like belkin and revel, believes that they are, chas veshalom equal. You’re probably somewhere in the middle of the two, but still in the category of the apikorsus rav boruch ber described to rav shimon Schwab, the rov of the yekkies after rav breuer. You can find that piece, if you’re capable of reading rav boruch ber’s writing style, in the end of birkas shmuel on kiddushin. Check it out, it might give you an idea of how far away from yiddishkeit the world outside the yeshivos and chasidus is.

    in reply to: Release of Flatbush “Kidnapper” #2160404
    AviraDeArah
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    Not *every* from Jewish news outlet reported on it. Some are more cautious.

    Also, what “duty” does a news outlet have to report the incident immediately, to make people aware of the individual, if the incident is over and the man is arrested? Who will he hurt in jail? Ywn should have done what certain other news outlets did and wait to hear the whole story before publishing anything at all. Instead, the race to be first with the news and get to clicks is more important.

    in reply to: Stop the trend of post going to Brisk and its proxies #2160405
    AviraDeArah
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    Ujm, happens to be I’ve heard the story about rav avrohom yehoshua criticizing, or in the brisker lingo, levying “bikores” on rav Moshe. He had no problem doing so publicly in his 30s when ue came out shtark against rav shach, the gadol hador. It’s not that he didn’t hold of them, it’s a brisker mahalach which is commonly misunderstood. And I’ve heard the part about a bochur saying “in America we say that a soloveitchik made a churban”

    But…it also got brisker talmidim blacklisted in the rest of the israeli yeshiva world. Not so in America; quite the opposite, actually.

    As for a rebbe publicly calling rav avrohom yehoshua by his English initials…does he call rabbi yoshe ber JB? Probably not. It’s an insult to kovod Hatorah. Whatever you think of rav avrohom yehoshua, he was respected by the brisker inner circles, despite there being plenty of politics. Darchei is a great Yeshiva, but that’s not something a talmid chacham would do – if for nothing else than for the position rav avrohom yehoshua occupies. It’s a bizayon Hatorah.

    in reply to: What’s Our Response to Environmentalists. #2160179
    AviraDeArah
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    Shimon, if there’s something in the world that requires me to get ky head out of a gemara, the dvar Hashem, and enter into the words of goyim reshoim, then I’d rather have my head in the gemara for as long as I’m able to, and I don’t have to worry about the tzar ham’nabayach, barking screaming evil doers who want there to be less life and who think that they control the world, for better or worse.

    As for evidence, when i was a kid, the scientists were saying that in 10 years, coastal cities would be submerged, there would never be any snow, and in 20 years life would all be destroyed. They made so many predictions that at least some of them happened, so they can point to them, ignore their false claims, and say “look, we were right!” And the masses gobble up their nonsense.

    in reply to: Different Tracks of Modern Orthodoxy #2160092
    AviraDeArah
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    Yserb, rav breuer said no such thing. He also said on himself that once he graduated, he never opened a secular book for the rest of this life (rav belsky said he heard this from him)

    His essays, published a few years ago, are all about parnossa and aiding learning torah. Not a word about being “well rounded” or whatever.

    in reply to: What’s Our Response to Environmentalists. #2160093
    AviraDeArah
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    Aaq, that wasn’t at all clear, it seemed that you were endorsing having fewer kids, or at least being pareve about it

    If you don’t accept that, then disregard what i said

    in reply to: Stop the trend of post going to Brisk and its proxies #2159981
    AviraDeArah
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    The exception to that is rav tzvi kaplan; no one goes there by default after not getting into rav avrohom yehoshua. You’re there because you want to be in a pressure cooker with hardcore mussar that will break every American notion in your head

    in reply to: Different Tracks of Modern Orthodoxy #2159959
    AviraDeArah
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    Dofi – modern orthodoxy represents illegitimate judaism and fake jewish values. It’s not the fault of its adherents who are brainwashed and kept ignorant of torah sources by schools which prioritize SAT scores and ivy league college admission statistics. It’s the fault of its fake rabbinic leadership which either encourages or allows this institutionalized ignorance, heresy and sinfulness to thrive.

    in reply to: Different Tracks of Modern Orthodoxy #2159958
    AviraDeArah
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    AAQ, the agudah has demonstrated in their data gathering regarding the yeshiva gezeros, that chasidim are not below the poverty line by any metric. go look at their website.

    in reply to: What’s Our Response to Environmentalists. #2159956
    AviraDeArah
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    aaq, the apikorsus, unadulterated anathema of yiddishkeit that you so nonchalantly throw around, about decreasing the population in order to help the environment, made me make a double-take. You start out with mitzvos of bal tashchis…and you end up with denying the mitzvah of lesheves yatzarta and le’erev al tanach yadecha?!!?!?!?

    it is a mitzvah to have as many children as possible after fulfilling the minimum, chazal say this explicitly. the torah is NOT concerned with limited resources, because “hayad Hashem tiktzar?”

    And to prove it in physical terms that you might be more agreeable with in your heresy, scientists predicted mass famine if the population continued to increase in the 1960s.

    Well, the population more than doubled in the worldf since then…and guess what? There’s less world hunger now than ever before in recorded history!!! That’s Hashem’s way of showing how twisted, evil and anti-life the people are who subscribe to your heresy.

    in reply to: What’s Our Response to Environmentalists. #2159955
    AviraDeArah
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    Shimon, localized air pollution is an observable phenomenon, but your theories on the use of plastics is not proven.

    Aaq, it’s true that we’re not supposed to be wasteful, but the mitzvos of bal tashchis etc are to teach us to appreciate Hashem’s world, not that we’re baalei batim on it and that we have the ability to destroy or help it without it being Hashem’s will.

    in reply to: Different Tracks of Modern Orthodoxy #2159633
    AviraDeArah
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    If you want to see the success of chasidishe tzedaka, look at where all the gemachs are, the bikur cholim, the community resources for chasanim, kallos, kimpeturins, medical referrals, clothing,…chasidim are the zevuluns of klal yisroel. The litvish are yissachar, and the MO are stragglers who contribute neither Torah nor gemilus chasadim. They keep their wealth to “philanthropy” causes that their wealth goyishe friends are into, while giving some to poor jews.

    in reply to: Different Tracks of Modern Orthodoxy #2159632
    AviraDeArah
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    Yserb, have you ever spent time among chasidim? Do you just believe the picture of the new york times? I live near a big chasidishe community. Their kids are nicely dressed. They’re nourished. They have homes and lease nice honda odysseys.

    They’re on food stamps because they’re able to use the system to their advantage. I’m happy to support other yidden with my tax dollars; far better than going to fund infanticide and gender affirming “care” for goyim on medicaid.

    And it’s not just the expo. I know tons of chasidishe yidden, and they’re all making a livelihood. They hustle, and do things that are unconventional, like Amazon businesses, or drive for frum car services, to name a couple.

    And yes, chasidim give more tzedaka, and they don’t waste money on giving to art museums like MO people do. You can see this if you daven in satmar, or if you go to the satmar Rebbe’s kever on a yahrtzeit…tons and tons of collectors from here and eretz yisroel, and they come because they know chasidishe yidden give, and give and give.

    And no, the satmar rov wasn’t against kollel entirely, and neither was rabbi yoshe ber, for that matter. The satmar rov at first said it wasn’t the mesorah, but saw the uniquell challenges baalei batim face in America, and eventually said that they should learn for a year or two after marriage before working.

    When someone asked the satmar rov why the bobover rebbe allowed his chasidim to become accountants, he said “his accountants will work for my gevirim”

    Both are good; some gedolim encourage professions and others business, and most will tell people individually what’s best for them. But almost all gedolim were/are against college for the majority of klal yisroel. But i acknowledge the minority of chashuvim who did, like rav yosef breuer, who said it was important for parnossa only, and was very against YUs ideology.

    in reply to: Have Seminaries outlived their purpose? #2159612
    AviraDeArah
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    AAQ, steinsaltz was called an apikores by the steipler and rav shach. He’s nothing. A gornisht. Chabad likes him because he liked the rebbe.

    Also, if the girls are making points you and the maggid shiur missed…probably time for a new maggid shiur. Or go to an iyun shiur where they don’t fly through a blatt in 30 minutes while drinking coffee.

    Nom – cute; I actually think I’m going to use that as a joke from now on. The gimmel chamuros are MO, Zionism, and Chabad, I like it.

    in reply to: Ethical Orthodoxy #2159611
    AviraDeArah
    Participant

    A believing Jew does, however, get credit for every little zchus and mitzvah that he does.

    in reply to: Ethical Orthodoxy #2159610
    AviraDeArah
    Participant

    Except UJM agrees that conservatives who keep some mitzvos aren’t included in “those who keep part of the torah” – because they don’t believe that Hashem commanded them to do so. If there is no commander, there is no commandment. Their actions are meaningless in halacha, they have accomplished no mitzvah, their brochos are in vain, and they are not going to receive any reward for doing things that they themselves decided are spiritual nice things to do, or traditions.

    in reply to: What’s Our Response to Environmentalists. #2159563
    AviraDeArah
    Participant

    Quay, maybe it has something to do with it being against the emunah of Hashem running the world and punishing us due to sin and sin alone, and not due to driving SUVs?

    in reply to: What’s Our Response to Environmentalists. #2159341
    AviraDeArah
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    Rocky, unfortunately many online forums, particularly of the kiruv variety, traffic in misinformation, to use a modern term.

    Aish is extremely zionistic, moreso than mainstream israeli news outlets. It’s actually very embarrassing for us, because a jewish student who is disillusioned with zionism when they learn about der yassin and the other atrocities of the secular zionists, then they see “Orthodox judaism” whitewashing it… it’s doing us no favors.

    Kiruv places like to quote the same ridiculous “proof” of environmental activism that the RCA used years ago. Chazal say that Hashem took Adam all around gan eden and said “look how beautiful my creations are, take heed not to ruin my world”

    Do you know who has ever taken that medrash to mean physical destruction or pollution?

    You guessed it – zero.

    The seforim, including the ramchal and maharal, say it means that we shouldn’t destroy the world through sin.

    All throughout chazal and tanach, the one destructive force is sin. Not pollution. Not aerosols. Not greenhouse gasses.

    To say that these non-sinul entities destroy the world is like saying that the Holocaust happened because of mikrah, just nature.

    It’s apikorsus and denial of Hashem’s hashgocha, and denying that it is sin and mitzvos which benefit and destroy the world. Not what kind of car you drive.

    in reply to: What’s Our Response to Environmentalists. #2159342
    AviraDeArah
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    Kuvult – yep, hischabrus im reshoim is something to celebrate.

    in reply to: Taxes in Eretz Yisroel #2159275
    AviraDeArah
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    Rav chaim didn’t have taxable income, as far as i know, but i assume he wouldn’t if he did based on the psak.

    Re, roads etc, it’s an ones; we want to live in artzeinu hakedoshah, and to do so one needs to walk on the street.

    Square; i agree that paying taxes is important in general. However, you ahould know that America’s taxes might be different than what chazal refer to. They’re painfully exorbitant, and make owning property a liability. The government can literally evict an elderly widow who has no money to tax her own property that her family spenf 40 years earning to own. It’s a unique evil that an otherwise kind government allows

    in reply to: Different Tracks of Modern Orthodoxy #2159279
    AviraDeArah
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    Dofi, did you hear about the satmar business expo in September? Thousands of businesses were on display. And that was just satmar. They’re not “yechidim”. The satmar rov zy”a held of going into business instead of professions.

    in reply to: Different Tracks of Modern Orthodoxy #2159280
    AviraDeArah
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    Yserb… I’m struggling to find the words.

    Rav hirsch was extremely controversial in his setting up a school with secular studies. The ENTIRE European jewish world had chadarim that were torah only. They would learn a trade from their father or someone else.

    You make it sound like rav hirsch was the….norm? And that there were a few outlying fanatics who just taught torah only? Are you serious? Are you aware of the rashba’s cherem against ANY secular studies until the age of 30? Are you aware of a single other jewish educational institution besides rav hirsch ‘s realschulle that did so?

    He was accused, wrongfully, of being modern. He was intending to save klal yisroel, and his model served as a prototype for other parts of the torah world, including most(but far from all) litvishe yeshivos in America.

    The chazon ish didn’t hold of it at all. According to your view, you would think he is an apikores, chas veshalom… because he didn’t hold of 2 achronim’s learning schedules????

    in reply to: Aryeh Deri #2159212
    AviraDeArah
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    Gadol, read the gemara; large numbers are prohibited to enter at a time. There’s no limit on how many can live there altogether.

    in reply to: Taxes in Eretz Yisroel #2159213
    AviraDeArah
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    Simcha, we’re not speaking about how good or bad a government is. Governments are imperfect. Some are better than others.

    Rav chaim’s point isn’t that the government isn’t good. He writes that it’s illegitimate. Built on sin. Doesn’t have the power of a malchus in halacha.

    in reply to: Different Tracks of Modern Orthodoxy #2159216
    AviraDeArah
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    Yserb, you’re putting your own values in Hashem’s mouth. Where do chazal say that one must or even should know secular studies? Achronim write that there’s an inyan, and that your Torah knowledge is limited if you don’t know certain chochmos.

    So having a potential limit on their torah knowledge is the same as cultivating a community that not only has almost no Torah knowledge at all, but accepts feminism, evolution, pritzus, LGBT, and the view of halachos such as intergender mingling, touching, hair covering, and many more as a “personal choice”?

    MO don’t value secular studies because they help them learn Torah…they value them because they believe in them as an ends to themselves, as normann lamm so eloquently blasphemed.

    And no, chasidim do not live in 3rd world conditions. The majority go into and are wildly successful in business. So much so that ehen they succeed, the media pans “rich jews” and when they dail, the times insults “poor, uneducated jews” – they can’t win.

    And yes, chasidim are bilingual. They know lashon kodesh, and yiddish. They spend 12 hours a day immersed in these language academically throughout their education.

    in reply to: What’s Our Response to Environmentalists. #2159221
    AviraDeArah
    Participant

    Environmentalism is a good replacement for religious fervor for secularists. While people used to use their religion to drive their passion, they now turn to phantoms of “racism” and environmentalism

    in reply to: Taxes in Eretz Yisroel #2159185
    AviraDeArah
    Participant

    Ujm, rav chaim holds that you don’t need the ran in this case. The government itself is kma’an d’leisa.

    in reply to: Taxes in Eretz Yisroel #2159158
    AviraDeArah
    Participant

    Simcha, good questions. You’re wondering why it’s ok to expect things that tax money goes to while not paying for it.

    My answer to that is “tut mir nisht ken tovos” – we didn’t ask for the state, we didn’t want it, and we believe it’s continued existence is a bad thing. They put us in a situation where they need to raise money for things to maintain their state, mostly for defense, so let the frei take care of their own mess. The frummer would be just fine if they were under a peaceful Arab or Western government. We don’t actively search for arab leadership anymore, because in the current political climate it would put millions of jewish lives in danger…. because of what the zionists did.

    It’s their mess, let them take care of it and leave us alone.

    in reply to: Different Tracks of Modern Orthodoxy #2159145
    AviraDeArah
    Participant

    Yserb, so being bilingual without knowing English and having possibly (although most are just fine) a hard time navigating the American system is worse than rampant sinfulness, apikorsus, and the upheaval of all yiddishkeit values?

    Is physical success (which again, most chasidim do have) so much more important to you than eternity in olam haba, or for some, an eternity in gehinnom because of their institutionalized heresy and promotion of sin?

    in reply to: Aryeh Deri #2159144
    AviraDeArah
    Participant

    Besalel, it’s in a letter obtained by rabbi yaakov Shapiro, author of the encyclopedic “the empty wagon.” I’ve seen it personally.

    in reply to: Aryeh Deri #2158956
    AviraDeArah
    Participant

    Gadol, ao Hashem wants people to rule against halacha, and your evidence for it is that if he didn’t, he would have brought moshiach.

    I suppose you’d say that He wants gang violence, substance abuse, murder, and child abuse, because if he didn’t, he would have sent moshiach by now to stop it.

    Twisted.

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