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Right…so instead of doing what the neviim say moshiach will do (rebuild the bais hamikdash, bring all jews back to eretz yisroel, restore malchus yisroel, make all of the world know Hashem, bring world peace, heal all the sick, etc..)

Nope – his job is to teach chasidus.

Avi – agreed that you’re not supposed to tell a person if no harm was done, the chofetz Chaim writes that.

But confession isn’t only about making amends to the aggrieved party; vidui, to Hashem and publicly, is part of teshuva according to the rambam.

Mdd, there are valid defenses for those practices; sukkah on shmini atzeres is based on a tosfos which can be understood to mean that if one would not normally sit in the sukkah due to it not being pleasant, one would not be allowed to do so due to bal tosif

This would not apply to eretz yisroel, however. I can find the tosfos if necessary.

Davening late…i wrote rav meir shapiros explanation above.

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It should be noted that toras hamusar accomplishes pretty much the same goal as chasidus. Moshiach will come when penimius hatorah – whether it be chasidishe torah, or a deep piece of sichos kussar – will spread. People need to be oved Hashem with their hearts; the goals are the same.

The yeshivos kedoshos are not holding back the geulah.

Nom, a bedieved is both – it’s not optimal, because it’s shaky in halacha.

Rav belsky didn’t deny the existence of rav moshes heter; he told me openly, in clear language, that lechatchila one should not rely on it.

Sechel, lechatchila the halacha is to wash. It is not a strict chiyuv, which is why if one forgot retzeo he does not bentch again. But there was never a minhag to specifically not wash and do the Mitzvah in a bedieved way.

Sukkah….no. being metztayer that you’re not mitztayer that you’re not mitztayer ad infinitum is not mentioned anywhere in any shape or form.

Eating before davening was never meant to be a thing that everyone does; it’s for individuals who are sick or weak. But if someone says that they need it to be able to daven…. it’s not the end of the world, and if this were the only thing neo chabad did i wouldn’t care. But even the shu”a harav does not allow the large amounts of food eaten without concern for davening that some people do. I myself have eaten a bite of cake a couple of times when my stomach hurt or i was feeling extremely exhausted.

The original yiddish in the sicha, not translated(in likutei sichos 1st edition, before the Lubavitcher rebbe ordered the line removed due to accusations of kefirah) – the words are “a rebbe is der atzmus elokus vohr ehr hut areingeshtelt in a guf”

This means, one can daven by the kever of a rebbe, because a rebbe is the essencd of god which he has placed inside a body”

It doesn’t mean the nefesh elokis, if that’s what he meant he would have said so, but even then, you can’t daven to the nefesh elokis of a tzadik, you can only daven to Hashem – so are you davening to Hashem or the tzadik? The Lubavitcher rebbe js saying you can daven because you’re davening to Hashem, because god is there, i.e., Rebbe is god.

This is undeniable kefirah.

I also don’t know where you got the idea that islam teaches that god has a body. It doesn’t; this is why the rambam held it was mutar to pretend to be a Muslim, because they believe in the same G-d as we do, essentially. Christians developed the god body thing, they said that god put himself in a body, i.e. yushke r”l.

Muslims say Mohammed was a prophet, and some groups say that Hashem gave over control of parts of creation to him, which is shituf and problematic( i don’t think this was the case in the time of the rambam)

I don’t know why my post with the sources is not being posted…i found the Gaon, and others

It wasn’t rav belsky’s shitah himself; I asked him what rav moshe held, and he said that rav moshe held that cholov stam was bedieved. He also said that the story about rav moshe throwing up upon hearing that he accidentally drank cholov stam milk is true.

As to why he had it in his house – thats true, because he was not machmir on his children. Thats why his sons were maikil themselves(rav dovid was, and yblch”t rav reuvain only started being machmir on himself like 10 years ago)

But he does write that yeshivos should not serve it. Very clearly.

There are also teshuvos which indicate that it’s a bedieved, but they’re in chelek 8.

the chazon ish that you quoted says nothing about relying on company regulations. what he says is that, by cheese, you might be able to count the minhag of goyim in a certain medina using plants to make cheese as a tziruf to allow the cheese if the yid sees the goy make the cheese, because in that situation, there’s no Lo Plug in the gezerah of gevinas akum – BUT he only says it as a “din nosen” and ends with a “tzarich iyun” at the end, so he is not paskening lemaysoh.

Tuna, i don’t give much thought to what his status is, because it doesn’t concern me. That’s between him and Hashem. What does concern me are his teachings and his movement, which have veered off of the derech Hatorah in profound ways.

Doom, maybe not at first, but Hashem intended all of us to be bnei Torah, even those with ADHD, etc..

When i first started learning, i was 17, and couldn’t handle more than like 30 minutes.

Imagine if someone(and there were) convinced me that I wasn’t cut out for learning, and i would have just gone to college(which these people always seem to have patience for…)

I would have been a hollow ignoramus

Bemekomom omedes**

Menachem, he was being “meyashev” why the mitteler could not sleep in a sukkah and why neo chabad doesn’t either. His answer is not brought down anywhere else, it’s the metztayer that you’re not mitztayer stuff, which the mitteler never said. The mitteler made those remarks, but he was not without a normative heter on top of his kabalistic intentions.

This is akin to rav meir shapiros answer as to why rebbes daven late; rebbes say kabalistic reasons, but, says rav Shapiro, they have a valid halachik heter underneath it, namely that s rebbe is oatur from tefilah as he is a toraso umnaso. Same thing here. The mitteler was patur because of the russian cold. He remarked that he couldn’t sleep with the ohr makif there as well, but that on its own is not a halachik heter.

It’s also just a remark. It’s not a teshuva. Chabad makes way too much out of remarks made by gedolim. Sometimes they’re meant kfff the cuff; you need to be a talmid to see this. It’s like when the rashash wrote that a gemara was a kasha on “those who say that there are gulgulim” – he wasn’t doubtful about it, it’s nust shigra dilishna.

Re, shalosh seudos – hayom yom is quoting the Rayatz, but the Rayatz did not write that sefer, as far as i know. Same thijg eith the Lubavitcher rebbe saying things beshem him – you can’t prove the legitimacy of a person by quoting him as a reliable source; מאן לימא לך דבר סמכא הוא

Nom…when did i mention Iraqi jews?

The chazon ish is recorded in maaseh ish as saying that it’s a good taanah. He didn’t “agree,” with him in psak.

And to those who learn the sugya of anan sahadi, it fits, but it’s still a chidush. And rav moshe writes in many places that, for instance, yeshivos shouldn’t serve jt, because they are meant to teach ideals and keeping away from things which have even a slight doubt as to their kashrus. He also writes that it’s a bedieved in other places.

His sons held that he said it lechatchila – and kovodom bemolomlm omedes; they are totally entitled to that view, but the other talmidim of rav moshe, including more verabi rav Belsky, did not agree with that.

So i misread something in al hatorah – he quotes that paragraph from Wolbe, but not from yechi hamelech; he just cites Wolbe as rhe author OF yechi hamelech. I did a google search on the words wuoted, and haven’t found it yet – i have no idea who wrote the al hatorah, and who knows? Maybe this paragraph was a forgery..
He doesn’t say where it is.

But this was in the early 90s – more things have come out since then, like shlomo cunin saying that the Lubavitcher rebbe runs the world(on video, it’s easily accessible) and the rise of people openly saying “boreinu” in their yechi liturgy..

Could be that the author (s) of al hatorah saw the god/body ideology common in chabad circles but couldn’t find any other kpen references to it besides the Lubavitcher rebbes sicha where he says you could pray to a tzadik because he’s the essence lf god wrapped in a body.

Or maybs he’s quoting an obscure pamphlet or book that Wolbe wrote – i have no idea, but i wish he would have sourced it.

I’ll admit that it could be a pious forgery.

nom, I’ll take the words of the chofetz chaim over your wikipedia information – he writes in tiferes odom that it was most definitely the practice of klal yisroel to have beards, and that it is part of the tzurah of a Jew.

it’s the opposite…it wasn’t until Italian Jews began removing their beards that such a thing ever existed.

while it was not assur (and still is not assur) to use things aside from a razor, that doesnt mean that Jews removed their beards…the rishonim also say that “megalchin” used in the mishnah doesn’t mean to remove a beard, but rather trimming.

Asking “whats the source” is aa hateful statement against the Lubavitcher rebbe?

And why is he “the” rebbe?

Tuna – criticism of gedolei yisroel from chabad usually just boils down to “sinas chinam,” “why are you soool against chabad, look at all the great things we do(for the sake of our rebbe), or completely fabricated stories about rav shach.

Criticism of neo chabad is just reading the statements of their rabbis and their rebbe and showing how against the Torah it is. Because it’s criticism, not emotional defense mechanisms protecting one’s self from the blithering truth that the “nasi hador” was hardly accepted as such outside of crown heights.

Raw, what kefira have i expressed? I said i would give my life rather than believe in a rebbe god. How is that kefira? Because denying your rebbe is tantamount to denying, cv”s, Hashem? Because Hashem and the rebbe is the same thing to you r”l?

I’ve learned Tanya; i cherish it, but neo chabad has very little in common with the sefer. The Lubavitcher rebbe wrote in the God body piece that he hasn’t seen it in chasidishe seforim, but it’s what he feels from what he calls his studies of it.

Shu”a holds that scizzors which accomplish essentially the same effect as a razor are allowed(misparayin k’ein taar)

So…no, having a beard is not an obligation in basic halacha

Neville, perhaps that’s true, but it’s important to be mocheh when his rulings are mentioned, because he was previously known as a normative, rabbi Hershel shechter-esque figure. But he isn’t. He is one of the most dangerous rabbis in the world, with the ability to bring in goyim into klal yisroel, which could cast doubt on the entire next generation of non charedi Israelis.

Lake – we shouldn’t praise any reshoim.

But a mechalel shabos, or a ganav, or even a rotzeach, has not distorter and contorted the tzelem elokim and natural creative state of man. Man has vices and evil urges. But homosexuality is inherently evil, a corruption of the very essence of a person. It isn’t unchecked anger, greed or lust, which have a kosher flip side.

Rav moshe writes, while beijg sympathetic to one who has undesired attraction to men, that it is “lehacis,” and just evil on its own.

It is the opposite of what Hashem programmed the world to function with. It is not a miscalculated middah, it is evil incarnate.

But one who has such an urge and doesn’t sin, is kodesh kedoshim, holier than most people can imagine. It is a great lofty level to rise above such a desire and not sin.

Chabad would have us walk around thinking instead of the boundless love Hashem has for us, and the feeling of being in His warm embrace….we should focus on the love that their deceased rebbe has for…us….how does he even know we exist? They don’t show niftarim everything in olam haba; only things they are privy to, and family, etc..

The level of being meshtatef Hashem with a human being is on full idolatrous display here folks.

Unless the Lubavitcher rebbe and god are synonymous….

Sechel – part of how i convince people is to showcase how triggered and emotionally insecure chabadniks get when their religion is challenged.

The rishonim fought christian second-coming ideology tooth and nail. It’s not judaism.

Then again, it’s not the only thing chabad took from Christianity. The idea of a rebbe being god in a body is straight yushke stuff, that god walked among us in a physical form, etc…

If you look at that sefer al hatorah veal hatemurah( it’s on scribd for free) he compares the writings of Christian priests to the Lubavitcher rebbes words, and they’re eerily similar. Take a look; maybe don’t limit your yiddishkeit to one mortal man.

And maybe don’t do mitzvos to please the rebbe, but rather to please Hashem…who is incorporeal and has no division and who nothing is tofes.