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OP’s question has already been answered, but I wanted to address people’s practical concerns. Realize that I live “out-of-town” in a State that doesn’t have NY/NJ/MD’s restrictions and practical inability to obtain conceal carry permits.
1. I absolutely agree that not every Chaim and Yankel should just “go out and buy a gun.” First of all, not everyone is the right person, i.e. if someone struggles with ka’as, isn’t good at ascertaining situations, etc. This is true of anything. HOWEVER…
1a. In most of these horrific situations, the rasha is a coward who will run at the first sign of any resistance. So even if the mispallel misses, or, chas v’shalom, hits someone else, it will generally lead to the rasha running away and will save lives anyway. Ma kol shekein if there’s several people.
1b. The bigger concern with lack of training is just someone not carrying properly and leading to a negligent discharge, i.e. doesn’t have the right kind of holster, isn’t familiar with the different aspects of the pistol, etc.
1c. The NRA has a good online course that gives people- especially people with 0 prior knowledge- a good grasp on the very, very basics that should help prevent most “Chaim and Yankel” problems. (I don’t care about their politics, I just know that this course is a good intro course.)
2. Becoming decently proficient does not take a lot of time, but costs can add up, especially in-town where ammo is much more expensive, and you can’t order in bulk because no one will ship there due to the aforementioned laws and regulations. So before someone decides to do this, they need to be able to budget between $30-$50/mo for range time and ammo.
3. People from in-town often seem to have the mentality that Reb Eliezer has, that regular people are not trained to use firearms. However, as Chaim Eliezer alluded to, the truth is that most responsible gun owners tend to do much, much, MUCH more training than the average police officer. Most police departments only require officers to qualify once a year, whereas, as I mentioned above, you should go to the range at least once a month, if not twice monthly. Will it make you the bulls-eye shooter that Jack Wilson was after owning a shooting range and being a firearms instructor for decades? Obviously not, but like I said above, that’s not what you need in most circumstances, whether in Shul or at home.
4. Akuperma brings up the Mishna in Shabbos. Several people in my Shul carry, and besides for a few who like to talk about it, I’m pretty sure no one besides the Rav knows the name of everyone who carries. Conceal carry works- again, when you take the couple of hours to actually learn how to do it, and not just assume you know. It’s really not that complicated, but that initial training/book reading MUST be done.
5. The other big thing that people don’t think about is the law. If you don’t know the laws of self-defense, you can easily find yourself the suspect instead of the hero. You must learn the laws of self-defense in the State you live, possibly by reading the book “The Laws of Self Defense” by Andrew Branca.
5a. Because of the legal concerns, especially in States that don’t like guns to begin with, I would highly recommend having carry insurance. This insurance, which can buy from the USCCA, U.S. Law Shield, and other companies, will cover your legal fees should you be charged and prosecuted after a shooting.
I guess what I’m saying is that people who aren’t familiar with guns drastically overestimate how much training and knowledge is required, however the basic stuff really should be done, even if the law doesn’t require it. (And no, even NY/NJ’s required courses don’t qualify.) Guns are not magic kaballah talismans that will ward all harm away from you. They’re powerful tools that, when used properly (or even owned properly) can help save your life and the life of others.
Ahh, I see what I was doing wrong. I was clicking on my name at the top of the page, which brought me to https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/author/chaimss. On that page there was nothing to edit. I didn’t think of clicking on name in the thread itself… Thanks!
@Joseph: I agree with you that the Halachos of L”H and DL”Z are in full force, but I think OP has a point worth considering.
Whether or not this is true, what is true is that Frum Yidden often rely heavily upon government assistance, and, for a large enough number, they are ok with bending certain things in order to get more money. These may not be illegal, but it has given our communities a “sheim” in the world, both in the non-Chareidi Frum world and in the non-Frum/non-Jewish world.
Whether or not any crimes were committed and whether or not anyone did anything wrong, it’s fact that many people in Lakewood were calling up in the following days to correct some perceived errors and downgrade or cancel their assistance. This means that- illegal or not- there were perceptions of impropriety that were occurring, and according to the article posted by YWN June 28, 2017 9:30 am, even perception can lead to CH”S.
I think that- without talking L”H about people, and without judging whether they were right or wrong- we can take this opportunity to conduct a general cheshbon hanefesh into how we’re dealing with the government as a community (or as multiple communities) and if we should possibly change some of the things we’re doing.
I’m trying to change my e-mail address, but it looks like the directions above have been changed. When I click on my user name I only see my number of comments, no “edit” (I even tried searching the page for the word “edit,” no luck). How can I change my e-mail address? Thanks!
Fair enough, I guess I’m just surprised you found me so fast! As for your question, I can’t answer that in a public forum. 😉
@Joseph, it has been, I’m surprised anyone noticed!
As a current Servicemember, it actually bothers me a lot. That being said, they’re not celebrating Memorial Day, they’re celebrating the First Day of Summer.
I think it has a lot to do with the “ladder” mentality. If someone never wore a hat, then not wearing a hat is no big deal. But if someone did, and now doesn’t, it’s important to find out why. Not because wearing a hat (or not) is the definition of OTD, but because it shows a slip in observance, something that should be discussed with him.
(BTW I have a friend who no longer wears a hat who is still perfectly Frum. His family has no problem with him and neither does our very-black-hat community.)
It’s not only E”Y, it works that way in Monsey. At the Spring Valley train station you can pay from your phone, or, if you pay by the meter, you don’t have to back to your car! That’s right, you can throw away the receipt and it doesn’t matter! They track it by parking space, so as long as it’s paid for (and again, you can extend it from your phone) you’re good.
I do it now, it really is nice! I don’t have checks sitting around anymore!
Never mention on the date whether you want to see each other or not. Just thank them for the time, wish them a good night, and that’s that. Deal with the “what’s next” question with the Shadchan only.
@yitzyshalom-
There’s a HUGE difference between typical Halachic Shailos and this case. Typically you’re right, if you hold of a certain hechsher then that item is perfectly Kosher for you and might be not Kosher for me, that’s fine. My family got our first microwave because a friend “treifed-up” theirs with cholov stam, so gave it to us. To them they couldn’t use it, but we could- no problems there. Same thing with anything else.
The problem here is that the results don’t affect only the individual. Yes, according to one shitah the person’s a mamzer and according to another (s)he’s not, but what happens if- as happens often- that child decides to become a follower of the more Yeshivish derech? Suddenly now they’re considered a mamzer? The simple “I used to not keep Cholov Yisroel and now I do” just doesn’t apply here, and I would never enter into a marriage if one day my kids might have to consider themselves mamzeirim, or if potential Shidduchim might consider them mamzeirim.
@simcha613- There are ways to do it- including, perhaps, a pre-nup- but it would have to be written up differently so that there’s no ch’shash get meusah.
yichusdik: When I got married I signed a prenup that simply committed me (and her) not to use the get as leverage in case the marriage broke down. I had no problem signing it, and in fact was prepared to do it even in advance of the civil side of things.
I’d have no problem signing something like that in theory, but the question is would Rav Elyashiv? Is it not considered forced because there’s no financial penalty?
Ok, people have been throwing P’sakim around, but it doesn’t help someone like me to whom this is nogeiah l’maisa. Are there any actual ma’areh mekomos as to what different Poskim hold today, both from a Halachic (possible mamzer problem vs. possible aguna problem) and Hashkafic (prenup makes it easier to get divorced vs. prenup evens the playing field) standpoint?
Chulent (or anyone else) – Do you know where Rav Elyashiv said that, and if any other Poskim agree?
“There’s no such “minhag” in Judaism.
How do you know?”
I believe the burden of proof is on those who want to say that there [em]is[/em] such a minhag, not that there isn’t. Apparently no one else here has heard of such a thing.
“Be careful, as this may mean your kids won’t get accepted into a good yeshiva.”
As long as the screen isn’t connected to a TV or cable box I don’t see why it would matter. (Unless they have a problem with the Wii in the first place, in which case the screen wouldn’t matter…)
Yeah, never forward a chain e-mail before Googling a few of the sentences.
I should have realized it was a joke because they used proper English with0ut 3n7 h@k3r lingo.
Npoe, I’m tpying this in IE9 and no corecttions.
A white list sounds like a good idea. I’d also recommend torah.org, aish.com, and simpletoremember.com to be added to that list.
I’m sure people from Atlanta, GA, Charlotte, NC, Norfolk, VA, etc. don’t appreciate being bundled together with NY/NJ…
Also, while being from OOT may not be a sole reason, it’s definitely true that there’s generally a mentality difference that could definitely come into play.
… that’s not how it works- you can ban by IP address.
The OU put out a video ages ago about this. You never know unless you truly know. http://www.ou.org/torah/article/the_kosher_video
The OU put out a video ages ago about this. You never know unless you truly know. http://www.ou.org/torah/article/the_kosher_video
Of course the solution is to change the font of said period to white!
Maybe, just maybe, they’ll get their act together and reopen somewhere else!
Two points- one about dorming, one about the OP’s point.
1- Saying “assuming they’re equal” is very difficult because no two Yeshivos will be. Dorming is a risk. I started dorming around halfway through 9th Grade (I lived less than a ten-minute drive from my house) and although I was surrounded by my Rabbeim during the day (just like before I dormed) at night I was surrounded by a bunch of high school kids- some whom were good influences, some who weren’t. For some being surrounded by those learning 24/7 is a very good thing, but sometimes it’s better to be able to leave the bad influences behind. It’s a case-by-case decision that can’t be made in one sweeping statement.
2- This completely depends on the parent. Some parents are like that, some aren’t. Those that are have to speculate whether or not that’s a good idea, but that being said, do you really want a six-year old to be fixing the sink? He shouldn’t have to be that mature yet, and we see it as a tragedy when an eleven-year old have to take over as the “man” of the house. Kids should have their childhood and shouldn’t have to act mature until they’re of that age. Until then pretending to be is cute, and that’s a good thing.
“girls know that most boys smoke”
What??? I’ve been in Yeshiva for almost ten years and I assure you, most boys do NOT smoke. There are those that do, yes, but it’s a minority, not a majority.
Uh, pardon my ignorance, but what is this AMEX deal?
I’ve heard this argument time and time again so I just want to say two things:
1. What’s wrong with having a legal gun? If you have a permit and you’ve taken the safety course so what’s the problem with walking around with it?
2. I always find it funny when people say “well I’ll look and see if he has Facebook.” It’s possible to completely hide your account so it’s not searchable unless you have the actual link. It’s also possible to have a generic profile picture (say, a flower) so you’d never know if this “Yehuda Goldstein” is the same Yehuda Goldstein you intend to go out with. True, it’s possible to see if this isn’t done, but just because you didn’t find one doesn’t mean (s)he doesn’t have one.
@Jothar- Because then someone asks a question and 20 different people answer it. Or someone posts something that you want to comment on, but since your unseen comment came after their unseen comment it wouldn’t make sense.
I was also thinking that maybe some people could be given “trusted status” for immediate posting if they earn the trust of the mods for never posting anything inappropriate or edit-worthy. Obviously this could be revoked if needed, but at least it would help some conversations move faster.
I think I can give a better perspective, considering I’m probably one of the younger posters in this thread. I’m in Yeshiva in the mornings, and in the afternoons/evenings I’m currently a Senior in a “regular” college (i.e. not a Jewish one) majoring in Computer Science. I went to college because I felt that it is a necessary evil in order to have a degree and make a decent living for my family.
That being said, I would not recommend it to anyone who’s actually considering learning all day or getting into klei kodesh (Rebbi, Shochet, STA”M, etc.). The environment is most definitely NOT what an ehrliche Yid should be in, in all regards of how people dress and act, as well as the required classes. While I have no complaints about the contents of the CompSci courses I took, some of the requisite courses in literature and other topics contained material that literally made me walk out of class on several occasions (I spoke with the Professor and explained my objections and he understood).
I’ve routinely had to have dealings with females in my class, and unlike in a work environment (I’ve had experience with that as well) it is expected to go beyond a working relationship. It’s very difficult for me to explain that no, I don’t want to go to the bar with them after class, and it takes even longer for them to accept that.
The way these girls dress- even in the winter!- is the type which you simply don’t find in the working world where (hopefully) you work for a company that has some sort of professional dress code. While I haven’t seen too much of the boy-girl thing I’ve had many friends from my Yeshiva who have.
Bottom line, getting an education is important, yes, but from someone who’s doing it, for many who want to keep their neshamos pure, a secular college just may not be worth the risk.
Joined the military- with the full backing of my Rebbi and other Rabbonim.
I’d say either a pocket dial or your phone was on mute.
(Obviously I meant 50,000 in my above post, not $50,000…)
If we get it above the current #1 which is over $50,000. Very possible but we have to spread the word.
I disconnected for three hours, but I really think they picked the wrong day to do this. They should have picked a day like Chol Hamoed when the family is actually together, not a fast day when everyone is tired and hungry.
The point is that we shouldn’t be chewing the non-Kosher gum. We shouldn’t be taking goyishe hashkafos that have no place in Torah and try to bring Torah into them. I will go out on a limb and say that maybe here and there there are things that do “shtim” with Torah Hashkofa, but perhaps that’s not for us to decide.