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The American People won because they don’t have to listen or view another of these freak shows
Our Wifi reaches our sukkah at full signal strength, the sukkah is about 15 feet from the modem.
Typing this on my laptop in the sukkah while enjoying coffee and cake. Great, warm night for sleeping outside.
Golfer…………..
Clients were always given a choice and prices. A typical 4 tier wedding cake to serve 300 guests back then was about $450, a show cake with real 6″ top tier and sheet cakes cut and plated in the kitchen was $150. 9 of 10 clients chose to save money.
As a practical matter we could bake and frost sheet cakes and the 6″ round topper on Sunday for Sunday night chasunahs. But a 4 tier wedding cake would have been baked on Thursday and decorated Friday morning….by Sunday night guests would not be served a really fresh dessert.
flatbusher……
I was in both the kosher catering and kosher bakery business in the late 1970s. Most of the wedding and Bar Mitzvah cakes we sold/provided for show were made of styrofoam, cardboard cake circles and hard royal icing.
The actual cakes cut and served were sheet cakes held in the kitchen during the meal. The exception was that the top 6″ tier of a wedding cake was real so that the photographer could get a shot of a bride or groom feeding the spouse a piece of cake (at non-frum but kosher cuisine weddings).
OOT…sales of Lulav/Esrog is part of the shul rabbi’s parnassah (as is selling chometz on Pesach).
I don’t know the going price 65 miles away in NY, here I just pay $180 per set for myself and grandsons (sons and SILs are ole enough to buy their own) and one set for use in shul by those who do not have their own.
This is just another roll of Ball Baatim that I am glad to fulfill
Joseph……….
The gantze frum veldt does not live in your area and there is not a Siegelman’s cake at every Vort.
It is sad that people have no imagination and feel they have to have exactly the same things as their neighbors, family and friends.
When our last married daughter’s vort took place a year ago Mrs. CTL and her mother baked and decorated the cakes and it wasn’t because I couldn’t afford to buy expensive cakes.
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I also broke the fast with alcohol. Family tradition is to break on a shot of whiskey before leaving shul. On arrival home I had a cup of black coffee and after changing clothing I had a brisket sandwich with cole slaw.
I did not have milchiges until the following morning.
whiskey, black coffee, beef….as my father, grandfather and great grandfather always broke the fast.
My wife had lox, bagel, whitefish, cream cheese….none of interests me.
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To all…and I’m leaving politics out of this post
Joseph…
The Electoral College system varies by state. If you vote Trump in CT you are vote for a slate of electors pledged to vote for Trump and his running mate. You are not voting for electors who are free to cast their ballots in December for another person.
In some states the delegates to the Electoral College are free to change their votes, but it is very rare that it happens.
As for a replacement VP candidate, it is not the same matter. No one votes for VP or the electors for VP, the Vote is for a particular Presidential candidate and his/her running mate. One can’t vote R for Pres and D for VP.
Akuperma………..
Clinton as President will not be a disaster for Frum Jews as you claim.
Legal abortion, same sex marriage are already the law of the land. No one forces you to have an abortion or marry a same sex partner. The choice is merely available for those who want to do so.
Most Frum Jews in America live in Liberal states. For example the Equal Rights Amendment never was ratified and made part of the US Constitution, BUT it was made part of our state constitutions in NY, MA and CT (I’m not a member of the Jersey Bar so I didn’t bother learning their constitution).
Very little of US foreign policy affects your ability to live as a Frum Jew in the USA. I look forward to traveling to Cuba this winter…I haven’t been there since 1958. If I never get to Moscow or Tehran again, I don’t mind.
The change of President will have no affect on your religious rights..they are granted by the Constitution and the courts, not the Executive Branch.
Syag………
My post here is about the mechanical impossibility to remove and replace Trump on the ballots in 50 states plus territories and DC.
I also gave a shteck to the Republicans who nominated him.
My support of Secy Clinton is as the best choice of a candidate who can win the election…the choice is really only Clinton or Trump. The 3rd and 4th party candidates don’t have a chance.
BTW>>>>>>>>if you have read my posts this past year, I have made it clear that I personally know the Clintons since they were law students at Yale more than 4 decades ago.
I admit to being socially Liberal. I don’t live in a self imposed Ghetto. I live in the real America with people of all backgrounds. I don’t want school vouchers taking tax dollars to pay religious schools that do not provide basic education (math, English) requisite for graduating students to earn a living and not live on the public dole.
I would never want my daughters or granddaughters to have abortions, but that doesn’t mean I want laws requiring victims of rape or incest to bear unwanted children. The choice belongs to the people involved, not Congress. I’m old enough to remember the wealthy flying to San Juan for a weekend abortion, while the poor had the illegal/unsafe back alley abortions. Prior to Griswold v. CT a doctor could not prescribe birth control in Connecticut. How many of us have heard of or know frum women who are on Birth Control approved by their Rabbi and doctor for reasons of mental stability, not just convenience.
I don’t approve of the death penalty…3 words sum it up: Sacco and Venzetti. You can’t undo a wrongful execution. This doesn’t mean I don’t approve of ‘hard labor’ in prisons that should not be all about prisoner comfort. Prison is for punishment.
To sum it up: this year I prefer a very intelligent lady, who has served as a child and woman’s advocate, Senator and Secretary of State (whose husband cheated on her) to a charlatan businessman who has been married three times, committed adultery on the first two wives, has declared bankruptcy multiple times, stiffed workers and suppliers…and until it was convenient espoused the same liberal ideals as Secretary Clinton.
To be perfectly honest, in our current election system, if it requires 100 Million dollars in expenditures to win a $400,000 position the winner will owe payback and favors to many people.
Too late for replacing Trump on the ballots in most states. Early and absentee ballot voting has begun.
The Republicans picked a charlatan and now are suffering for their poor choice. Better the party members should suffer than the whole country if G-d Forbid this disgusting pig won the election.
Dump Trump…………..
That’s the mantra of sane Republicans.
You picked him, too bad…it’s too late to get a substitute candidate on the ballot in most states.
RebYidd23…………….
you serve pigeon soup at the seudas mitzvah for the redemption of the first born male………….
If you love soup and it’s not being served…you misyosoup
dovrosenbaum……….
You are correct it was NOT Danbury. It was an immediate suburb of New Haven. Even our LOR belonged (the clubs has a special clergy rate). 95% of the clubs members were Jews. My parents were founding members back in 1962. The other two country clubs in that suburb were about 75% Jewish.
Yehudayona…….
It’s a masseur. In the good old days every JCC and steam bath had one who gave rubdowns (massages) in their health clubs. You can still find this service at some JCCs as well as goyische Ys and Russian Bath houses.
I grew up in CT. We belonged to a country club, they employed a full time locker room attendant who also was trained to give massages. Nothing like a schvitz followed by a massage.
I wouldn’t even vote for Trump for dog catcher!
As mentioned in other posts, I am in local government here in CT. Our area schools are closed first day RH and YK. Teachers may use personal days for religious observance, NOT sick days. Sick days are for illness. If a known Jewish teacher attempts to use sick days for Yuntif observance they will be asked to provide a doctor’s note for the absence.
Unpaid time will be granted for religious observance. After all, the municipalities have to pay substitute teachers to cover classes when a teacher is out.
Joseph, a person entering the restaurant/bar does not have the right to stay until asked to leave. The CT Supreme Court defined a “Public Invitee”
“A public invitee is someone invited to enter or remain on land as a member of the public for a purpose for which the land is held open to the public.”
Thus the owners invitation to the public is to enter for the purposes of dining/drinking. The public is not holding an invitation to enter and try to convince the proprietor to change his business model.
You are correct that the owner should be contacted via phone or letter.
Popa……….
Note the specific 6 year program I attended at Penn. This was unique and while a Harvard MBA has gained cache in recent years 40 years ago it did not compare with Wharton.
I have no disdain for Harvard. I’ve stated before that a family member is a law professor there.
Illegal in many states including CT.
Selling blood was outlawed by many states in the early 1980s due the spread of Herpes, Aids among intravenous drug users who then sold blood to support their habit
Mashiach Agent
Who gave you authority to speak for all members of the coffee room? Your statement “better of the 2 which we would all say trump” is a LIE. Yet you in the same post accuse Secretary Clinton of lying. How ironic.
You don’t speak for me, I DON’T think Trump is the better of the two.
Only if you don’t regularly clean it.
Certainly no more tacky than Crushed velvet and tassles
Lilmod
A small removable memory card that can be used in devices such as digital cameras and then inserted and read by a computer
Geordie613
The definition as you present is the way it is taught the last 20 years in the USA. But back in the 1950s and 60s only the word Homonym was used in our schools.
I fully understand your menu. Our 28 year old is employed as chief steward on a Mega SuperYacht in the Med. Approx 1/3 of the crew are from South Africa. Last year, 6 came to stay with us for a week while touring USA on holiday. Made an authentic egte braaivleis that Sunday afternoon for the homesick boys. One of them used my smokehouse to make 20 lbs of Biltong to take back to the ship. All fall these goyim were eating kosher Biltong. Makes me yearn for JoBurg and Salisbury in the 1970s
Geordie……….
and when you speak of a Braai…I know it’s meaqt cooked on the grill as opposed to Brei….fried matza.
When I was a child we’d have called those words Homonyms, now they teach the kids that words that sound alike and are spelled differently are call homophones.
It’s enough to cause homophobia
huju…………..
My all time favorite quote of my late father (Z”L)
Fair? Who ever told you life is fair?
Yehudayona……………..
When we are members of an international Coffee Room it is ok to explain words that are unknown to those not in our own country. In this case, I’d wager 90% of Americans do not know what the word meant, while 50% would recognize the slang ‘vittles,’ especially those old enough to have watched TV western or the Beverly Hillbillies.
I expected that Joseph would have understood the word, the comment was specifically addressed to him.
Meanwhile, Lilmod expanded his/her English voabulary.
Actually, the Presidency is much less strenuous than the campaign. Far less travel with multiple stops in a day, trying to win the support of crowds. Much more one one one meetings with support staff having smoothed the way, medical staff in attendance in the White House and while traveling, better diet controlled by White House Chef, etc.
Lilmod
Victual(s) is an archaic English word for food and/or provisions. It was in common use in the English colonies in North America. In southern American slang it has been corrupted to the word ‘vittles’ meaning food.
To this day, food service establishments in the State of Rhode Island must display their “Victualling License”. Here in Connecticut they would have a food service permit.
Since a reference was made to food falling on the floor and Virtual reality, I put the reference in about Vicutal reality to see if anyone understood the term.
huju………….
The difference between used car salesmen and new car salesmen is that New Car dealers have to uphold certain standards to keep their franchises. If there are too many complaints to the manufacturer the franchise can be pulled.
Victual reality
Joseph…
If C”V a patient sued my nephew regarding dental work and the suit was for less than $5 million it would be defended by his malpractice insurance carrier, not an independent attorney.
I specialize in trusts, estates and family law and not be the ideal defense attorney in such a suit. That said I’d offer to review and explain all the legal papers to my nephew at no charge. I did set up the trust that bought all the dental equipment and leases it to the practice, as well as trusts for his children, advanced medical directives and wills, etc.
Used car salesmen have a bad reputation.
Because the law considers anything they say to induce to to buy the car as puffing (meaning they can’t be held to claims made) they stretch the truth.
Only what is reduced to writing in the 4 corners of the contract binds the seller.
So if you are told the car was only driven on Sundays by an old lady to drive to the market and actually that Mercury Grand Marquis was a livery vehicle, you lose.
As for mechanics they don’t care if they get you under the hood or in the trunk
This is a common problem. I’m not in Brooklyn and don’t share the same dentists. 9 years ago my dentist did a temporary repair to a front corner tooth. He told me that within 6 months I’d need, a post, pin and crown fro $6000. The temporary repair is still holding up. I can’t say the same for the dentist; his funeral was last week (aged 60).
In 1980 I needed a root canal, post and crown on a tooth all the way back in my mouth. I told the dentist (another city, another man) to put in a stainless steel crown as no one could see it when I opened my mouth. No need for porcelain or gold.
The next day brushing my teeth I see a gold reflection in the mirror. I had not yet rec’d the bill (the good old days when you didn’t pay before leaving the office.
The bill came at the end of the month and I was billed for a gold crown. I called the dentist to complain that I was specific that I wanted a stainless steel crown, not gold, and was not paying for it. He could replace it or eat the cost difference. He told me to tear up the bill and find a new dentist.
I filed a complaint with the CT licensing authorities. They got the records from the dental lab. I was billed for a gold crown that was actually gold colored base metal. The Dentist lost his license to practice in CT.
I no longer worry about my dentist, it’s my sister’s 2nd son. I don’t pay for dentistry, he doesn’t pay for legal work. 100% family discount.
Lightbrite
Your first question asks about inheriting a engagement or wedding ring from a family memebr who git divorced or had an unhappy marriage.
The inheritor has little say in inheriting. Ownership passes under the terms of the will or the laws of the state it there is no will.
Your question is really whether one should reuse an engagement or wedding ring in these circumstances?
Our family passes down diamonds for use in engagement rings, but never reuses the settings. Each kallah deserves a new setting made for her. We’ve never recycled wedding rings. There is a box in the vault with an accumulation of ancestral wedding rings, their value is strictly sentimental.
I don’t personally believe that any ‘bad luck’ or karma attaches itself to a stone that is reused. If you go to a jeweler to buy a engagement ring, unless the stone is cut to order or has a tracable serial number engraved you have no idea if it was previously owned by a consumer and reset for sale.
Sparkly…..Instead of retail pharmacies try the hospital pharmacies. Also, since retail pharmacy in many states such as CT have pharmacists doing things such as vaccinations, consider some short courses that will expand your know how, get certifications and licenses and make you a more desirable hire.
My almost 20 yo daughter is doing a BSRN then law school. She had a semester off between graduating HS in Late Jan and starting college in August. She did a CNA 10 week course and passed the state licensing test. She is way ahead of her BSRN classmates now that they have begin clinical work. She also works one shift per week at the University hospital for $23 hr while the work study kids get $8. She is home every Shabbos and takes an afternoon shiur for women
Sparkly…
are you the one studying to be a pharmacist?
If so, I’d get a job as a pharmacy tech on a chain pharmacy and get hands on experience. It’s not about the money, in the medical and allied professions hands on practical experience is invaluable and will give you a real edge up in getting your full time job after your education is complete
Health
Webster’s is a layman’s dictionary and is not a standard for trial. I would not be bringing an action on behalf of anyone who you may have libeled. It is not my area of practice.
A better definition and explanation when the word ‘criminal’ should be used is taken from an edition of Black’s Law Dictionary sitting on my bookshelves:
criminal
1) n. a popular term for anyone who has committed a crime, whether convicted of the offense or not. More properly it should apply only to those actually convicted of a crime. Repeat offenders are sometimes called habitual criminals.
Learning law doesn’t make you a lawyer, only passing the Bar Exam AND being admitted to practice makes you a lawyer.
You now accuse me of threatening you, That is a boldface LIE on your part. You owe me an apology and a public retraction. I never threatened any action against you.
BTW>>When one answers a civil suit with a counter-suit one had better be prepared to prove damages. You, who hides behind an internet handle would have no damages for which to seek compensation.
Your use of DemonCrat sounds like either an uneducated fool or an 11 year old. Sounds like you’ve listened to too much right wing hate radio.
I’ll not reply to you again, you are not worth my time. You like Trump have been caught lying.
Sparkly……….
No, I would not recommend it. NCSY is an organization that functions best for members who belong through their teenage years, not join in college. A newbie in college would feel totally out of place. It is not the purpose of the organization to serve that demographic.
In my day the MO organization serving college students was Yavneh (I don’t believe it exists anymore). Very,very few NCSY girls get married within a year of ending being a teen (and certainly most not to Yeshiva bochrim). You say you are more on the MO side, but you appear to be to the right of most MO.
I’m sorry you have not found the right group to volunteer in Kiruv efforts. I think you should look for a non-membership based organization who does not develop its own leadership so you will not be automatically excluded.
Try volunteering at events hosted by NJOP (National Jewish Outreach Program) they are a dot org, not dot com and you can google their website for contact info
Health….
I’m an attorney…labeling someone a criminal who has not been convicted of a crime and publishing it on line as you did is libel.
Yes I’ve heard of Vince Foster and service personnel killed in Libya. I also remember hundreds of marines killed in Beirut under Reagan. If you enlist in the military you go knowingly and willingly putting your life at risk.
As for a Secretary of State using a private email server: two words Colin Powell. Other words: President George Bush. This is a non-issue constantly brought up by talking heads and empty suits on the Trump campaign.
I am not convincing you to vote for Clinton, nor would I try, There is no way I’ll be voting for Trump. That said Trump will not win the electoral votes here in CT or in NY. (My prediction). I am not voting for Secretary Clinton because she is a Democrat, I’m voting for her because she is a better choice (IMO) for the USA than Trump.
I wish we had better choices this year, but as long as elections are financed the way they are, we never will have great choices. As my late father A”L always said: “anyone willing to spend 100 million dollars to chase a $400,000 job has to be getting some personal return for friends and family.” Gone are the days of patrician families such as the Roosevelts who were independently wealthy and dedicated their adult lives to public service, not personal enrichment and power grabbing.
Sparkly………..
NCSY used to be for HS students only…it was refocused as an organization to serve teens. So, if you are over 12 and less than 20 you should be able to participate.
In the olden days HS seniors and college freshman were often used as volunteers helping with Junior NCSY groups (grades 7 and 8). I don’t know the current model.
Sparkly………
What I am really saying is that NCSY in NYC, and parts pf northern NJ is quite different from the rest of the country and has ffb members and staff. Outside NYC area there is a big difference between ffb and Hareidi. FFB OOT is often the LOR’s kids who went to the only day school available, not the Bais Yaakov model. OOT there is less politics and the entire shomer shabbas world mixes well.
I make no bones about being a liberal Dem who is involved in politics and was in attendance at the convention.
I personally know Both of the Clintons since there days at Yale Law School. Mrs. Clinton is a brilliant person with a trues grasp of national and world affairs and in the Senate showed she can work across the aisle to accomplish her agenda.
Trump is an opportunist, a failed businessman and husband. His multiple bankruptcies and pattern of not paying contractors in full for labor is despicable. He has no grasp of foreign policy, hires terrible advisors and if they don’t have the nerve to agree with him all the time he utters his famous ‘you fired’ and they are gone missing quite a bit of salary raised.
Trump has turned the campaign into a personal cash cow, enriching his companies and family. It would be an embarrassment to have Melania as First Lady. Bill Clinton may have had his sexual indiscretions years ago, but there are no disgusting nude photos of him circulating in the media.
Remember one thing, if President Obama had stood on the convention podium with 5 children born of three mothers white America would have torn him to shreds. Because Trump is supposedly wealthy (no tax returns released) his infidelity, multiple marriages to questionable women is excused. Grandpa Trump was a saloon keeper and pimp, running prostitutes in the Klondike. Daddy Trump was a housing magnate who discriminated against blacks. Donald is a serial adulterer, liar and failed businessman. You could send the whole clan back to their hometown in Germany and there’d be no loss to America. Just because one Trumpette had a conversion and married Jewish doesn’t sanitize the family.
Sparkly…………
Back in the early 1970s I was on the preferred staff list for New England Region, as well as the approved kitchen staff list maintained at National NCSY HQ which was then at 84 5th Avenue. Having working in summer camp kitchens during high school and college I had both the ability to direct kitchen volunteers while serving hundreds of meals hot and on time, as well as respected kosher knowledge and and trust by the shul rabbis whose kitchens we used. I often was hired by these host rabbis to come back to their communities and cater synagogue events.
Once Mrs. CTL and I had our second child we dropped out of advising at events unless they were in our home community. It was too hard for locals to arrange housing for ‘married with children staff’ at shul hosted events, and too costly for NCSY to house families at Hotel based events. Once our children became NCSY members we stopped completely (while continuing in adult boards and fundraising) as it is embarrassing for an adolescent to have his/her oarents as staff at an event.
Sparkly,
I think that you are referring to the type of ‘occasional’ advisor who staffs a Shabbaton or other event. These are not paid chapter advisors, but young college aged people recruited by the regional director and through networking of other advisors.
It is the chapter advisors, usually at least grad school age or married members of the local community who are hired by the host synagogue, paid a salary and responsible for programming regular meetings and events throughout the academic year.
50 years ago when I started the local advisor was a teacher in the public high school who taught history and Hebrew language. He was MO and required all students in his Hebrew classes to join NCSY for the tarbut component of the class.
While in college and law school I was an advisor at many a Shabbaton and regional convention, and when early on in our marriage Mrs. CTL and I were advisors at Nation Convention for a few years.
From a practical standpoint, if you are being shutout from being an advisor at these events it is usually for the following reasons:
1. You are not an NCSY alumna..familiar to the regional director
2. There is not a contingent of advisors being raised from your school dorm (Stern or Touro)
3. The cost of housing and/or transporting you may be against you. You don’t live in the neighborhood of the event, or you don’t have a car and there are only so many spots in available vehicles
I was involved in New England Region…it was much more economical to seek event advisors from colleges in the Boston area for Massachusetts, RI or Maine events than bear the cost of bringing young adults from NYC. I always had my own car, don’t ask how many times I met the MetroNorth train in New Haven loaded up with advisors from NY and drove another 3-6 hours to events.
sorry for all the typos in the above post. I was a at friend’s home this evening and had an allergic reaction to something and my eyesight is a bit fuzzy
Sparkly
Please read my very long post on the other NCSY thread. I have been involved with NCSY for 50 years, as a member, advisor, adult board member, parent, grandparent. As a shul president I have hired many advisors over the years, and as a regional adult board member I have hired and raised the salary for regional directors.
NCSY has changed drastically over the decades.
I was a member 50 years ago, and it served as a social networking mechanism for OOT orthodox Jews. The word Hareidi was generally unknown outside the NY Yeshiva world. NCSY’s goal was to develop observant adults who could lead OOT orthodox synagogues in the future. The vast majority of members were public school kids with some day school kids (usually the children of the LOR). This a a place Eurotraditional parents could send their children to meet eligible Jewish mates and the food at weekend events and conventions would be kosher. It was not so frum. Local chapters in OU shuls held mixed dances, etc. The goal was tp get NCSYers to continue Jewish education by steering them to YU or Stern, later to Touro.
Each 10 years since, NCSY has moved farther to the right and has far more members not form public schools. This is not because NCSY doesn’t appeal or reach out to them, but because the subsequent generations to the post WWII baby boom of orthodox or Eurotraditional OOT Jews left the public schools at cities became more Nd more minority and public education went down hill.
In the 1970s there was a wave of advisors from Shor Yoshuv and Rebitzen Friefelds (sp?) in Far Rockaway, the 1980s brought the Chofetz Chaim crowd. Then there were the sexual scandals that forced out certain leadership. Ever since the Founding Director Rabbi Pinchas Stolper moved on the organization has drifted right.
That said chapter advosors who are paid are hired and paid by individual synagogues and OOT they are not amenable to advisors trying to make kids more frum than their parents and wanting to move their shuls to the right.
NCSY is an arm of the UOJCA. It is NOT an umbrella organization for frum young people. Originally it brought together new chapteres in UO synagogues, YUSCY (Yeshiva University Synagogue Youth) and from Chicagoland- TSY (Traditional Synagogue Youth) many of whose congregations had an orthodox siddur but no mechitza.
<y oldest grandchildren are now 3rd generation members, but they live OOT and are on the more observant side of membership. I have been a member of the adult board and the National Honor Society more more than 40 years. It has an important place in making sure that orthodox communities can survive OOT, but it is not a place for yeshiva yungerleit and Bais Yaakov girls to spend time.
Yes, they are a Kiruv organization but their is the need to understand the politics of association. If you consider yourself a Black Hatter and not Kipah Serugah, NCSY is not the place for you.