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It doesn’t mean they are, either.
Yes, that’s what I’m talking about (first sentence).
I agree with the second sentence.
The OK and Tropicana are the only ones claiming there are no bugs. The OK even implies that the Belzer Dayan, Rav Asher Anshel Eckstein, found no bugs, but in his teshuvah, he acknowledges that there are bugs. Take a look, it’s right there with the article.
The OK has lost a lot of credibility here.
Yekke2, so we agree that rodef isn’t relevant. We’re not discussing killing him (as much as some people would like to), we’re discussing reporting. I’m not sure why you brought it up.
Of course, I am referring to locking up the abuser. He is deserving, and he brought about the situation that locking him up is a deterrent through his own actions.
I similarly wouldn’t support locking up an accused abuser who is actually an innocent person, though it might be a deterrent.
The motive isn’t revenge; the motive is prevention, but we still need to differentiate between the innocent and the guilty.
And I think that this is the bottom line of what the OP is driving at: is punishment/revenge sufficient reason to report/ lock someone up, or does there need to be a benefit? If there does need to be a benefit, which type of benefit might be excluded? These are theoretical questions, and they may indeed ve of no practical import.
And this one…
Well, SDD, I beat you to this one.
Goq, we are talking about a theoretical case where reporting may be against halachah, specifically where we don’t know for sure that there was a crime committed. You are comparing it to a case where a crime was definitely committed.
Yekke2, forget about the technicalities – isn’t he a “rodef” because we know how abuse ruins the victims’ lives? I don’t mean literally to Jill him, but shouldn’t we do whatever we can, including reporting to the authorities, to prevent him from hurting someone else?
I also don’t know why deterrence shouldn’t be in the same category. If locking him up will prevent others from abusing, that will save victims from untold agony, serving the same purpose as preventing him from repeating his crimes.
LC, I’ve heard that the courts sometimes will leave an abuser out of jail if he undergoes therapy and supervision.
I guess you agree to the aveiros part. This itself might override your concerns.
I disagree with your concerns, though. A lot of the relationship issues are based on ????? ??? ?”? ???? ????????, so I disagree with your implication that contact during the engagement would diminish the problems which can occur afterwards.
I don’t think the relationship can fully develop until ???? ????????, and trying to do so, too much, too early, is detrimental.
Yes, Sam, everyone. So are you recommending that all Jews leave NJ?
http://beta.hebrewbooks.org/tursa
Click on ??? ????.
This was discussed here:
Weird, but I don't know if this has any halachic implication
and probably several other places.
No, he said, “you can’t ask a shilah and you must report”. Then he said, “If you or your rabbi has trouble with that, you need to live somewhere other than New Jersey” (emphasis mine).
If he’ll explain that he meant as you say, I’ll accept it. However, I won’t agree that New Jersey should be without frum Jews, or that no Jews should be teachers or therapists (or whichever professions are mandated reporters).
It’s pretty far fetched to say that nobody should live in a state or take a profession in which you’re a mandated reporter because maybe you’ll know of suspected abuse and maybe you’ll be caught asking a shailah (or not reporting if that’s the teshuvah) and go to jail.
Yes, but the Torah doesn’t call it that, it calls it good and bad.
The Brisker Rov held there were nissim, in the z’chus of limud Torah.
The Satmar Rov held it’s all sitra achara.
It’s not my pshat, it’s Rashi’s pshat.
And there we have it. ???? ??????? ???? ?? ?????.
It is inherent ??? ???.
How do you want to define them – pickles and lemon juice? They’re ??? ???.
Of course taste is subjective; I’m just saying my opinion.
It does seem to say that the heter should generally be applied only b’sha’as had’chak.
Here is a link to that teshuvah:
http://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=922&st=&pgnum=205
Agav, the magiah there refers to ??? ?’ ????? ?”? as saying that people should be machmir on a Jew seeing the milking when the price is similar and it’s not inconvenient; however, unless I missed it, I only see him saying that about the cheese shailah he deals with there, not the milk shailah.
Does anyone see where I missed something in that teshuvah?
http://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=920&st=&pgnum=239&hilite=
Do you think CY ice cream is just as good, or that other products are also significantly better? If so, which ones?
I think he is saying that in this case, thinking about the ???? will help him do the ????, properly. I don’t think he is saying a ??? that thinking about a ???? is part if it, otherwise ????? would be the same.
Good job, I must say.
??? is ??? and ?? is ??. If the ???? says there is something called ??? and something called ??, that means there is ??? ???.
I don’t know why this is up for debate.
??? ??? ?????? ???. If it’s in the Torah, it is true. Any ideas which can only exist outside of the Torah are false.
????? ???????? ???? ????. The Torah doesn’t exist outside of inherent truth; it is inherent truth.
What do you mean?
Minimize towards the goal of reducing unnecessary tension, friction, and misunderstanding, and having fewer aveiros.
I don’t think that pasuk is relevant because it is working within the Torah’s system.
I don’t understand you – if it’s in the Torah(‘s system), how can it not be relevant?
????? ?’ ?”?
Some tips:
Short engagement.
Minimize contact.
No texting.
Minimize contact.
Always keep in mind that it’s easy to misunderstand each other, so be careful what you say, how you say it, and how you interpret what the other says.
Minimize contact (did I mention that already?)
Individual being offered? Money is being offered.
I lost you there, ubiquitin.
Really, HaLeiVi? When there’s a story about a crying getchke, you tell your kids to believe it because otherwise they might become apikorsim?
True, I didn’t address that.
I don’t think at this point it’s so much a battle; at least in chutz la’aretz, I see many smartphones in chareidi communities. The issue is education, that it’s dangerous and therefore precautions should be taken.
As others have pointed out, the danger is indeed great, so even should you choose to call it a battle, I don’t see why, other than the fact that it’s uncomfortable for you since you have one, you think this particular battle should be the one given up.
ZD, that is a much better answer than the previous ones given by you and others.
It doesn’t seek to minimize the danger, it doesn’t say it doesn’t matter because there are worse problems, it doesn’t justify it for shiurim (for which an MP3 would be sufficient), or for other useful Torah apps. It simply says that for you, it’s a necessary tool for your parnassah.
I don’t think anyone on this thread has said that you, ZD, shouldn’t have a smartphone. I think the two things which were said were: someone who doesn’t have a pressing need, such as parnassah, shouldn’t have one, and that someone who does have one should install a filter and monitoring program to minimize the risk.
It was an insane comparison
I think you misunderstood the comparison. I don’t think mw13 was comparing smartphones to smoke detectors as much as comparing reaction to the rebuttals.
Some posters are saying that we shouldn’t focus on technology nisyonos because we have other, more pressing issues. Others are responding that one issue doesn’t wipe out the need to deal with another.
The comparison of claiming that we shouldn’t deal with the smoke detector issue because we need to deal with more pressing issues was quite apt, in my opinion.
And if you are so against smart phones, why are you here?
This site is available from a PC.
LanderTalmid, not mishing saves from embarrassing someone, so it has some of the same effect.
??”?: ??? ???? ????? ?????. ???????? ??? ??? ?????? ????? ???? ?????? ???? ?????? ????? ?? ???? ???? ??? ????? ??????? ???? ??? ????? ??? ????
Yes it is the machashavah which patters him; the tirda is a t’nai.
Because he’s thinking about a mitzvah. Yet, doing a mitzvah is better.
What’s shver?
One doesn’t preclude the other. Zionism may have been started to combat antisemitism, yet may have had the opposite effect
AFAIK, the only product which doesn’t have an equivalent (or close) version in CY is ice cream.
I figured (but nevertheless omitted the emoticon).
It means ????? ????? is itself a good thing, and there’s no requirement to be ???? ??? from it in order to do another ????. However, ????? ????? doesn’t have such value, so one is required to be ???? ??? from it in order to perform a ????.
It means he didn’t read the whole thing.
Why is this about Satmar and your dislike for them?
????? ????? is desired.