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Gavra, I don’t disagree, from the POV of the school, but what ‘m really advocating is non acceptance to pre-school. There are plenty of Orthodox schools which don’t have our crazy, kanousdik’e hakpados.

Not sure how many issurim this statement violates

I agree. I think it’s not merely L”H, I think it’s motzi shem ra, and whatever issurim may be involved in negatively impacting one’e parnassah.

True, Gavra, but no one would get so worked up about it or eve bother to call it brainwashing. We object when certain techniques are used by the tobacco companies, but we wouldn’t if used by a veggie salesman.

So you agree with me?

I don’t think I do 100%. I think that a psak can be evaluated in context and applied to other similar cases (by someone qualified to do so).

My opinion of that video specifically (as I recall it from a while ago) is that he felt that a lot of the exclusionary practices were based on gaavah, not chinuch, but that he wasn’t ruling out the idea of legitimate chinuch based exclusion.

I personally don’t think working families and kollel famlies can’t share the same chinuch institutions; they frequently share the same goals and ideals.

I also agree with the little I know (the poster) that the availability of other schools is a very important consideration.

I will point out, since he brought up the Chazon Ish, that a story has been printed about when there was a yishuv in which chareidim moving in wished to open their own gan, because they didn’t like the hashkafos of the ganenes, but the existing settlers waned the newcomers to join the existing one. The Chazon Ish advised that they offer to join, on condition tat pictures of zionist leaders be replaced by pictures of gedolim. She refused, and a new gan was started.

Of course, to be fair, there’s a difference between the influence of a teacher and that of fellow students, but I think there’s still something to be learned.

Okay, now, my personal agenda in this, as a parent: shouldn’t I insist that my sons not be in a class where a number of classmates are on their phones sharing shmutz with each other other IN SCHOOL? Is this not pikuach nefesh for my kids?

Even if the school were able to enforce their official no phone policy, am I not correct for not wanting to have my children surrounded by friends whose topic of discussion is total (and I mean by anyone here’s standards) shmutz? Is this what R’ Aron Leib was referring to as gaavah?

Yes, this type of behavior can come from the “best”, most “yeshivishe” homes, but that’s not been my personal experience, and in such a case, I would also want my kids separated. OTOH, I would have no problem with my kids becoming friends with kids from “less yeshivishe” homes with wholesome, frum values (according to my definition, of course 🙂 ).

I’m being misunderstood. I know he is against discriminating against working people; so am I, long before I saw that video. Again, I am asking how far this goes, playing off of Wolf’s assertion that if we take this to its logical conclusion, every child will have his own yeshivah.

Instead, should every type of family within the frum spectrum, from those who send to coed institutions to Satmar and Bais Hatalmud, from Mizrachi to Toldos Aharon, have the same school system?

Must I expose my children to children who are given unfettered access to secular media sources? To assume that R’ Aharon Leib meant all of this is absurd; he was referring to the educational system within the chareidi world, the values of whose families are much more closely aligned than that.

You did not speak. Can a golem post?

Wolf?

It’s not yesh mei’ayin.

the common Maoz Tzur tune

That’s been discussed here before. It’s origin was as a folk tune, and was later used in a religious context.

I highly doubt the prices are literally double (although I haven’t personally shopped there, other than stoping in for a danish once, I know people who have, and they say it’s more expensive, but not nearly double). Are you comparing regular prices with sale prices?

I might not recommend it for a shopper on a budget, but some people feel it’s worth paying extra for the convenience and service, maybe even double.

T613,

I’m poking fun at the guys who want to marry girls much younger than them.

Was she told right away that it was a cz?

often to the detriment of the person being manipulated”

That’s really the key line, and that is certainly subjective.

Nitpicker, Chaim Bloch, and/or Yudl Rosenberg.

If the teacher said, “when you have your own kids, you’ll understand”, would she be brainwashing the students into marriage and having kids?

We have wonderful, beautiful,, amazing girls, who have good middos, are tzanua, are pleasant, and sweet, who have good jobs, and looking forward to raising a family

Why do you consider beautiful to be a factor? Isn’t that superficial?

Gavra, there is still a long term effect.

Would you consider the fact that we constantly say “Baruch Hashem” as brainwashing our kids into believing in Him? You can argue that most of chinuch is brainwashing.

You will not be seen as chutzpadick or disrepectful toward the professors (assuming you disagree respectfully) etc

In some cases, professors have taken disagreement quite personally, and it’s known about certain professors that if you want to pass, you’d better not disagree.

There is not nor was there ever such a creature, so the question can not be answered.

Sanhedrin 65b

If Microsoft began making cars, would they crash for no apparent reason?

Pomegranate is a total ripoff.

That’s unfair; they’re not selling the exact same product; the shopping experience is different (and that would hold up in beis din in an ona’ah case).

the Law of the Excluded Middle does not apply to Judaism.

I can only understand that as a product of the concept of “eilu v’eilu”, but it’s really just using a different definition of truth.

Wolf, I, too, would like to know if your sarcasm was at the entire idea, or at the extent to which some people take it.

I will again assert that the word “brainwashing” is being used incorrectly on this thread, and that it’s being used in a very relative sense, depending on each one’s worldview.

Sam2, in the Mishkan they actually wrote.