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☕ DaasYochid ☕Participant
We’re all up Pesach cleaning/cooking.
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantSam, two pounds of matzoh?
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantSyag, it tastes the same.
Update: I saw all three kinds of TC on the shelf, plus a R’ Charmion certified decaf. I’ve also been told that the OU does approve of the FR.
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantCharlie, I am moche. You don’t seem to have enough respect for talmidei chachomim to grant them the wisdom to decide when it might be necessary to get involved in politics.
Benignuman, were there, or were there not, quotas?
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantSF, because yeshivah bochurim are human beings and need some time off.
You’re implying that bein hazmanim is for no purpose, which proves that the yeshivos are in favor of bitul Torah. That is patently ridiculous.
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantBen,
That reminds me of the story R’ Wein relates about the time he ran the OU kashrus. He was at a catered affair, and went to the kitchen and asked for the mashgiach. He was nowhere to be found. He searched for him, and finally found him outside smoking. “Shouldn’t you be in the kitchen?”, he asked. “What could be wrong?” he answered, “the whole affair is under the OU!”.
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantAs YTW says, it’s really a halachic shaila and depends upon the conditions of employment.
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantCharlie, you may not have meant that, and I will certainly take your word for it, but I think it is demeaning (although it wasn’t your intention) to call him a politician.
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantLet’s start with the fact that there are seventeen fewer months to learn.
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantMatza. Not gebrochts, but can become dairy.
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantAvrahm Eliezer zizman ben Bump?
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantCharlie, his piskei halacha were not based on politics, his politics were completely based on halacha.
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantI just put the bleach in my coffee instead of milk.
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantI think your YCT teshuvas thread was pretty cynical (leitzanusa d’A”Z).
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantRd, Rav Elyashiv zt”l was a posek, not a politician.
I don’t know how someone can defend conversions done to fill quotas.
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantThere are two types of specially marked K4P TC (or at least there have been in the past – I haven’t done most of the Pesach shopping yet). One is the regular plastic jar with a Gefen sticker (Volover Rav’s hechsher) as an extra seal over the container (the kind zdad would have a fit about).
The other is the old fashioned glass jar with Rav Charlop’s hechsher. It’s manufactured somewhere in the Americas.
The regular TC is on approved lists as well, even without special Passover certification.
Decaf always needs special Passover certification.
I don’t know if French Roast is included in the approval; from the way the list is worded, it seems not (but I wouldn’t be surprised if it was).
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantAt the seder, I lean to the left.
In the coffee room, I lean to the right.
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantIf it were just you, you’d have to have bought a lot of Apple products for the company to be as big as it is.
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantLethal beans
Pickle jar
Still
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantIt’s supposed to be a way of being well groomed without shaving off peyos hazakan, and without issues of beged isha.
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantInquirerr,
You are quite correct.
You can try to reach some through their yeshivos (I’ve reached R’ Shmuel Kamentzky that way).
Hatzlochah!
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantYes
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantOr perhaps, if I have the oppurtunity to ask someone bigger than my rav, I should.
It’s if my rav would have an issue with this, that I would feel that I need a new rav.
Good Shabbos.
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantYou stole my line
Do I owe keifel?
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantGedolim are expremly busy and are always either learning, fundraising or otherwise helping their fellow jews. Its best to minimize contact with them with other than most urgent Shailos
Yes, but balance that with the fact that we gain from our contact with them.
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☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantIt’s too late for me not to read this thread.
But your taking the wind out of my sails was better than mine out of yours.
Good job.
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantToo late…
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantI was addressing wolf’s implication that you need your rav’s permission to speak to a gadol.
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantZD, there was some evidence, but more importantly for me, I knew the person and trusted him.
I understand that this won’t mean anything to you.
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantMaybe his insurance doesn’t require it.
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantA New Conversion Scandal
by Jonathan Rosenblum
Yated Ne’eman
May 17, 2006
In order to protect themselves from being pressured to perform questionable conversions, some rabbis have a blanket rule that they will not participate in any beis din for the purpose of geirus, and will only refer would geirim to other batei dinim. For the past quarter century, various proposals to create standing batei dinim to handle conversion matters have been mooted in the United States. A series of recent conferences of rabbonim sponsored by the Eternal Jewish Family program under the title “Universally accepted conversions in intermarriage” has given new impetus to the idea.
Despite the inherent contradiction involved in setting numerical targets for conversion, there have always been rabbis within religious Zionism prepared to play along for there own ideological/theological reasons. For religious Zionists, who attribute theological significance to the State of Israel, no less than for old time Zionists, like Sharon, the importation of hundreds of thousands of gentiles into Israel, under the Law of Return, constitutes a stain on the State of Israel.
Another pressure acting upon national religious rabbis is the fear that if they fail to do the bidding of the political echelons and dramatically increase the number of converts, the State will turn to the Conservative and Reform movements to pick up the slack, and they will have opened the door all the way for official recognition of the heterodox movements.
That fear explains, for instance, the willingness of the Chief Rabbinate to consider a joint conversion panel plan, advanced by leading figures at Yeshiva University, nearly two decades ago. The plan called for panels made up of Conservative, Reform, and Orthodox members who would then recommend candidates for conversion before a beit din made up of those possessing semichah from Orthodox institutions.
When confronted by Attorney-General Mani Mazuz with the discrepancy between the certificate and the facts, Rabbi Druckman explained that he had cancelled at the last minute his flight to Warsaw, but since he had promised the prospective converts (i.e., more than one) that he would convert them, he signed the certificates anyway.
In a subsequent court proceeding, the party mentioned in the falsified certificate testified that she wanted to convert in order to marry and make aliyah. Both the financial incentive and the desire to marry would have rendered her conversion halachically invalid. And given her own express admission as to her reasons for seeking to convert, it appears unlikely in the extreme that there was ever any kabolas mitzvos.
In his letter to Mazuz, attorney Shimon Yaakobi, the legal advisor to the rabbinical court system, mentioned that there were at least ten other cases in his files of affidavits signed by Rabbi Druckman that raised suspicions similar to those in the case under discussion. (In a subsequent letter from Mazuz to Rabbi Druckman, he mentions these other files.)
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantTaster’s Choice
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantZahavasdad, I met someone who claimed that he saw items from the Beis Hamikdash in the vatican.
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantGoogle “A New Conversion Scandal Jewish Media Resources” for an article describing these conversions. To summarize, Ariel Sharon set quotas for Russian immigrants to convert, in order to maintain the state’s “Jewish” identity. The Russians’ motivation for going along with it was for citizenship and army purposes. Their “kabalas ol mitzvos” was a complete formality and a sham. Their insincerity was evident from the outset, and they were completely nonobservant from the moment their “conversions” were done.
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantI don’t know him, and I didn’t hear him make this statement. According to the quote attributed to him (or at least his spokesperson) he did not change his mind. He is saying that his personal viewpoint is not in accordance with halachah.
The quote: “The Kippa website regularly responds to Halachic questions. The respond (sic) given by Rabbi Piron reflects the Halacha, but it is not reflective of his personal viewpoint” does not refer to two different opinions in halachah, a halachic response tailored to a specific hashkafah, a way of trying to appease the secular with a halachic perspective, or a change of mind. It clearly refers to his personal viewpoint being against the halachic viewpoint. In other words, “The Torah is racist, but I am not”.
That idea (which I don’t necessarily attribute to him, but the quote does) is repulsive.
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantCharlie, interesting spin, but that’s not what it sounds like. It sounds like there’s a disconnect in his mind between Torah and reality.
Josh, he’s not personally understanding the sugya differently than the poskim. He’s putting politics ahead of truth.
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantMdd, when Eretz Yisroel is secularized, nebach, and a group legally uses the system to salvage as much kedushah from the tuah as possible, it’s not a chillul hashem, it’s a kiddush Hashem. The state is a cheftza of hisgarus ba’umos, not a minority who simply want to learn torah and serve Hashem in peace.
TS, if it was the norm across the board, that would be one thing, but when the whole state is secular and merely a small percentage are learning full time, the state is a chillul Hashem.
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantI will bl”n try the Maxwell House, after I finish my awful Folgers. If I remember, I’ll let you know how it is. It’ll be some time after Pesach (since I won’t get the Haggadah anyway) 🙁 .
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantZD, wow, and you keep on going? I would have left a long time ago if 90% of my posts were rejected.
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantI’m the one with thousands of years of mesorah on my side.
Indeed, even in the times of the gemara there were people, such as ??? ??? ?????? ????.
Whose mesorah do you have?
I’m really not trying to insult you, but you can’t go on saying that the lomdei Torah are not “sharing the burden” without the obvious being pointed out .
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantYes, GAW, criminals, just the benevolent medina will be very kind and not throw them in jail.
How you can claim that a terrible scenario is a victory, because it could have been worse, is beyond me.
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantSo you’re okay with b’nei yeshiva being considered criminals in Artzeinu Hakedoshah for sitting and learning, with the benevolent medina, although not allowing them to leave the country (sounds like communist Russia to me), not throwing them in jail. What a nice guy.
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantLet’s see, truthsharer vs. Chaza”l. I think I know whose side I’m on.
BTW, thanks for demonstrating my point.
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantSo you don’t agree with the state. No one forces you to live there.
The secular have no right to make a government in Eretz Yisroel which runs contrary to Torah and then say that those loyal to the Torah should get out.
Yes, please remind me.
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☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantDa’as Yochid, whom you want to convince with that ma’amar Chazal? The frei?
Most are not likely to be convinced so easily (although there are some frei who do understand the importance of limud haTorah), but we can hope that they can be made to understand that this is our sincerely held belief. I think many think we’re just making excuses (R’ Moshe Grylak wrote about this a few weeks ago in Mishpacha).
The MO who do not want to support all those people in learning anymore?
Those who really believe in divrei Chaza”l – yes. (To reiterate, I am only referring to those who are actually learning. Those who aren’t are responsible for their lack of contribution to the welfare of Klal Yisroel.)
What about the Chillul HaShem?
We’ve been through this before (although you’ve really gone off the deep end now, because we’re not currently discussing taking money). It’s not a chillul Hashem to live according to Chaza”l’s dictum. We may have an obligation to try our best to teach them what the truth is, but we certainly have no obligation to change our way of life and avodas Hashem because of the apikorsus permeating secular culture (which has unfortunately made major headway even into the mindset of some shomer Shabbos Yidden). Quite the contrary. We must stand strong in our beliefs.
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantSharp, I’m not talking instant. on another thread, I opined that Starbucks Via is the best, and TCFR is second.
I’m referring to brewable ground coffee. No, I haven’t tried Maxwell House (do they make non-instant?). If I do, do i get a free Haggadah?
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantDY is not a mod.
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantIfti99, of course we believe that learning is ideal; the ol parnasah is a klalah. It’s obviously necessary, but it’s certainly not the ideal.
As far as serving the state, if you mean State, then i’m sure by now you realize that the founding of a secular state in E.Y. is a very painful thing to us.
If you mean contributing to the welfare of its inhabitants, need I remind you how Chaza”l categorize one who doesn’t believe that lomdei Torah contribute?
☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantOld man, I answered your question. If someone does an integral part of the process specifically shelo lishma, the matzos are not usable for the mitzvah. Whether he needs therapy or mussar is an interesting question, though.
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