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Another member of the “matched by God” club here.
I wish to disagree with the implication that a match facilitated by a shadchan is not “matched by God”. I’m sure you didn’t mean that, I’m referring to the choice of words.
“hey.. thats a lot like what me and my wife do. we like to go into bars and pool halls and all kinds of low places in las vegas. then we have religious discussions about how untznius the women were and how vulgar all the talk was. its a real eye-opener and has raised our consciousness quite a bit.”
Mod-80, that’s a little disingenuous.
I disagree. I think using sarcasm and exaggeration is a legitimate and honest way to bring out a point.
DY,
In general, in Chinuch you have to strike a balance.
I would never feed them outright treif foods, only “non-kosher” foods (no hechsher).
?? ??? sarcasm.
What the balance is depends on your values. if one considers the trash put out today as “treif”, which I do, it wouldn’t figure into the balance. I would never allow secular entertainment in my home (with the exception of a few pre-screened children’s books). because 99.9% reflect non-Torah values. As a balance, I might allow some frum produced videos, although my kids’ time would be spent more productively learning, reading gedolim biographies and similar productive literature, playing sports or other games, or other healthy recreation.
Anyone who compromises what impure and unhealthy (spiritually and emotionally) media their children are exposed to is making a tragic mistake. (Not to excuse adults exposing themselves to spiritual trash; we’re discussing chinuch.)
I think the poster is referring to “forbidden fruits taste sweet”.
*kapusta*
Yes, I understood that. I think I’ll start feeding my kids non-kosher food at home so that they don’t eat so much tarfus when they go out of the house.
Anyone agree with my angle?(Scroll up)
Common sense is very uncommon.
(That’s an agreement, BTW)
i dont know why everyone is protesting its an aveirah to have one.
Unfortunately, not everyone is protesting. By the way, you’re being very conservative; according to the teshuva of R’ Ovadiah, Shlit”a, no less than six aveiros are involved.
theres all the news stories and weather, and closings and such.
I will not concede that the news (or even in some cases the weather) is okay, but even if it was, why would the radio not be good enough for that? In an honest moment, you would have to admit that the purpose of the overwhelming majority of television owners is entertainment.
its not soooooo bad.
I beg to differ.
i think kids who dont have a tv think its a very big thing to watch so when they could, they watch as much as possible. a kid who is allowed to watch whenever he wants doesnt think its such a big deal, so they dont end up watching as much.
You’ve got a fascinating perspective on chinuch. You apparently feel that whatever is bad for our children, we should give them more of, so that they should get less of it.
and so, when they do, u could monitor it.
To follow up on your logic, you probably mean that it should be monitored to ensure that the content is inappropriate, because if they would not view some inappropriate material at home, they would end up watching even more of it away from home.
you have a source for anyone near R’ Ovadiah’s stature (or the gedolim he mentions) who say it’s mutar?
Such a source doesn’t exist.
Not even a daas yochid? 😉
The Goq,
Is there anyone who knows your family who you could ask advice from, such as a rov or rosh yeshiva? I feel that it’s not for we in the CR to advise in such a case, since the proper course of action depends very much on knowing you, your niece, your brother, and, very possibly, your sister-in-law and other family members.
It would seem safer to remain quiet about it, and certainly not to put anything into writing, unless someone wise, who is familiar with the situation, advises you to.
Good luck, and just keep in mind that your “virtual friends” are feeling for you.
and I encourage those who don’t have one to give it away
Now THAT’S a feat I’d like to see. 🙂
It’s only a little bit more difficult than giving it away if you have one. 🙂
It means that it is a machloket. I was aware of R’Ovadiah’s tshuvah on the matter; not everyone agrees with him on this.
Do you have a source for anyone near R’ Ovadiah’s stature (or the gedolim he mentions) who say it’s mutar?
From a popular online encyclopedia:
In computing, a Uniform Resource Locator (URL) is a Uniform Resource Identifier (URI) that specifies where a known resource is available and the mechanism for retrieving it. The best-known example of the use of URLs is for the addresses of web pages on the World Wide Web, such as http://www.example.com/.
DY, you have television capability but have it disabled. Like Ned Flanders 🙂
I’m not sure how I have television capability if it’s disabled. Also, since my capable TV doesn’t work, I don’t know who Ned Flanders is. 🙂
(I actually didn’t, until I looked him up online.)
there is NO question (NO QUESTION) that kids who do not have one and have a friend who does, OFTEN go to those friends for the express purpose of watching.
There’s also no question (should I repeat and capitalize? 🙂 ) that a child whose parents choose not to have a TV is likely to have friends who also don’t have one in the house.
Parents who choose not to have a TV in the house are also (no question) likely to not allow their child to visit a friend with a TV.
chocandpatience_,
I don’t know how to delete history.
I don’t have a way for you to delete your history, but I know how you can have no future posts show on your profile. This was discussed about a month ago; the problem is that the method I discovered, if revealed, might be used by some to manipulate the CR discussions. One of the moderators asked me (through email) how I did it, and I responded, so try asking the moderators for help. (Sorry I can’t be more helpful than that.)
What do you think?
Probably less dangerous this way.
Are you going to have internet at home? If so, you have a TV.
Absolutely untrue. We have internet (parnassah considerations), but no TV; our internet is filtered.
From the OP: If we have a TV, we’ll be able to overlook what, if at all our kids our watching. However, if we dont have one, there’s always situations where children ‘sneak’ and watch at a friends house.
There’s something which you are now overlooking; a parent has a say in who his child visits. As the child gets older, the values instilled in the child will play a major role in the decisions he or she makes.
Mosherose, just saying “television is asur” is not helpful; there are plenty of rabbis who watch television from time to time.
I agree that it’s not helpful to merely state that it’s asur, but I disagree that the assumption that some people who are considered rabbis doing something means it’s not.
Would it be helpful if I quoted from R’ Ovadiah Yosef Shlit”a (who in turn quotes several earlier gedolei haposkim)?
??? ??? ?? ????? ??? ??? ????? ???????? [?? ?????] ???? ????, ??? ??? ????? ??????? ????, ??? ????? ???? ??? ?? ????? ?? ????, ????? ??? ?? ???? ???? ????, ?????? ????, ??? ?? ???? ???? ???? ??? ?????, ????? ???”? [=??? ???] ?????, ?? ??? ????? ????? ?????? ??? ???????, ??? ???? ??????? ???????? ????? ??? ??? ?’, ????? ???? ??? ?????, ????? ??? ???? ?? ????… ??? ???? ?? ????? ?????…????? ?? ?????? ???? ????, “?? ???? ????? ?? ????”, ??? ??? ?? ??? ?? ????? ????, ??????? ??????? ????? ?????? ????, ????? ???? “??? ?????????? ???????????? ???????” ???? ????? ????? ???????? ?????? ??? ??? ????? ?????? ?????? ???? ???.
(??”? ???? ????, ??? ?, ???? ????, ???? ??, ?”? ‘(?) ?????’, ??’ ?”?-??”?. ?”? ‘??? ???’, ??’ ?)
I found this here:
http://www.daat.ac.il/daat/maamar.asp?id=124
In a different thread, I quoted a translation of a similar teshuvah.
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/giloy-arayos/page/2#post-152657
As far as the comment regarding the computer and Avoda Zara. The OP did not ask for anyone’s opinion on TV. She asked for help in deciding whether she should start off her marriage with a TV in her home or not since she is NOT opposed to TV. How are you helping her with your comments?
Do you really expect someone to post a question about television on Yeshiva World and not get negative responses?
msseeker,
I haven’t listened to talk radio much lately, but I assume it’s the same as when I did; conservative values which I mostly agree with, but complete inability to look at any issue fairly.
I don’t think the conservatives are any more guilty of this than the liberals, but none of them are “msseekers”. (I hope you you don’t mind my using your sn like that!)
I was saying that if he saw someplace that Noshim are indeed Patur, the only context he would have seen it would be that it is usually not her Chiyuv, unless she’s living alone.
I guess I misunderstood your point; sorry.
As for the Gemara, as you said, it was not a Hava Amina, only a question as to why it is not the case.
Yes, that’s what I meant when I wrote “I know, I … realized as I was going along that the ???? probably never meant it as a real ??? ????? (based on the ???? in ?????). “
The Gemara in Kedushin, though, is talking before we established that Zman Grama is a Ptur.
Actually, I think your previous point is valid for the ???? in ?????? as well (which also knew ???? in ?????).
pba,
I agree, of course we should have sang shira. But there is what to learn from the malachim not being allowed to sing shirah; that our simcha is not supposed to be total.
I’m having a hard time with that now, though.
Thanks, Mr. 80.
shlishi,
I just heard that as well. That doesn’t change the fact that Obama desrves some credit. And even if he deserved full credit, he’s still not likely to get my vote when he’s up for reelection.
msseeker,
I like that one too.
Can anyone summarize what in says in Mod 80’s link? My filter blocked it.
I wasn’t born yet.
I wasn’t born yesterday either.
msseeker,
Good joke. Bear in mind though, that the intelligence used for this operation was only gathered over the last several months, and that the compound is supposedly only five years old.
Why is the title of this room baruch dayan haemes?!
I didn’t start this thread, but I understood the title to be tongue-in-cheek.
Give up. He got the world’s number one terrorist. That is much more important than all the cheerleading done by the previous administration.
I agree to give Obama his due credit here (although I’m not a supporter), but give Bush his due credit as well. Although he didn’t kill Bin Laden, no further attacks on U.S. soil took place after 9-11, which was a great surprise and relief to me. And was a lot more than “cheerleading”.
BTW, I’m surprised at the manipulation of someone’s screen name.
most yeshiva bochurim show up on a date and just stutter and stammer their way through making for a lot of uncomfortable moments.
I can’t argue the point; I haven’t seen most yeshiva bochurim on a date. I’m curious, though, how you managed to.
A friend of mine just got engaged and when I asked him who the Shadchen was, he said “I know this girl from work and after awhile i thought it would be good for me”
By any chance, were the chosson and kallah referred to in this thread?
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/single-guy-and-single-girl-talkin-about-shidduchim
You can try and see if this works (I haven’t) if the link is allowed through.
Rav Moshe’s tefach was a b’dieved, i.e. if it happened inadvertently. Not c”v for an eishes ish to b’davka display a tefach.
Did you read the ??????
It was because the Steipler didn’t want to sit on the seats in the train since he thought there might be shatnez and stood the whole night instead of sleeping
IIRC, there was still more to the story; the Steipler had a unique schedule, staying awake for a full day, then sleeping for a long time, then staying awake for a full day. Before traveling on the train, he adjusted his schedule, stayed awake even more than usual, figuring to sleep on the train. When the chashash shaatnez kept him from sleeping, he ended up having gone days without sleep.
Yes, that’s what I thought you meant. 🙂
It was worth it, if nothing else, for the discussion, and research we did!
95,
You friend may have mistaken the ????’s ??? ???? as a ???? ???????, or confused the ???? ????? ????? with ?????, which women don’t do.
95,
I know, I also looked (in ??????), and realized as I was going along that the ???? probably never meant it as a real ??? ????? (based on the ???? in ?????).
Haleivi,
The reason she would have been ????? would either be because of a ???? to ????? ???? or from a ???? of ???? ??? ???? (as per the two gemaras I quoted). Otherwise, as ???? ??? ??? ???? ????, she would be, (and, in fact is) ?????.
95,
Actually, you would have to find someone in ?????, because it’s a ???? ??????!
Why would they be patur, I don’t understand. A mezuza is a din in the cheftza (house) not the gavra (woman)
The ???? in two places, .?????? ?? and :???? ?? has a ??? ????? that they should be ??????. The ???? does not answer that it’s a ??? in the ????.
I do not understand this question. It is a Mishna in Berachos 20 that clearly says they are chayav in mezuzah.
Correct.
This Halacha is also brought down clearly in Shulchan Aruch Yoreh Deah 291-3, as well in Rambam mezuzah 5 -10.
Also correct, but that doesn’t mean no rishon holds differently (which is highly unlikely anyhow, since he would have to find a diyuk in a different mishna, which argues on the one you mentioned from Berachos, and pasken like it).
What’s the mitzvah of mezuza?
To kiss it as you walk thru the door?
To attach it to the doorway.
The ???? in .?????? ?? says they are ??????, but there was a ??? ????? that ????? should be compared to ????? ???? and they should be ??????. The ???? rejects this ??? ????? based on the ???? of ???? ???? ????? which the ???? holds applies to ?????, and ???? ??? ???. The .???? ??? ?? says that the ???? of ???? ???? ????? applies to ????? ????. This is asked as a ???? by ‘???, whose answer would render women ??????. It’s not impossible that a different ????? answers the ???? differently and holds that they are ??????.
I am not aware of any ????? who actually holds this way, though.
Why do you first suggest the OP should get clarity from the rav and then say you would just do it?!
I guess he would pasken for himself.
Midwesterner,
Your welcome, and yes, I’m sure that’s why; as I mentioned earlier in the thread, the holocaust discussions in camp were part of pre – Tisha B’av programs.
SJS,
I do believe that the movement is to increase awareness because it was indeed somewhat lacking. I was also not taught about it formally in yeshiva but my rebbeim often told holocaust stories (even more so in camp), and as an avid reader of frum literature, (the CIS holocaust diaries series comes to mind) I was very exposed to holocaust stories and themes. One of my rebbeim is a survivor, and we heard much from him.
http://kodesh.snunit.k12.il/i/tr/t25b35.htm
I’ve posted a link, which I hope will be allowed through. Here’s the text.
?? ?????????? ??????????? ???-???????????? ??????????? ???-?????????? ???????????? ??????????????? ???-???????????? ???-??????? ???????????? ????? ???-?????????? ???????? ?????????? ???-?????????? *
??”?:
????? ???? – ??????? ??? ??? ??? ????? ??? ??????? ?????? ?? ?????? ?? ??????? ?? ???? ??? ????? ????? ??? ???????? ????? ?? ??????? ??????? ?????? ?????? ?? ?????? ?? ??? ?????? ????? (?????? ?”?) ???? ?? ?????? ???’ (??) ????? ??? ???? ?????? ????? ???? ????
* ???? ?????? ?? ?????? – ?? ??? ??????
SJS,
Your points are, of course, valid. “Charaidim/right wing orthodox” have been printing, discussing, and educating about the holocaust since its occurrence. A recent program has been developed for holocaust studies within the curriculum of yeshivos and Bais Yaakovs. A major component of pre – Tisha B’av programming in the summer camps has been focusing on the holocaust.
The issue under discussion is merely about setting aside a specific day for its commemoration.
thats quite a statement…
What, to ask your rav?