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zahavasdad -“How many Yeshivas in the US deny education to kids IN THE USA because the parents “Arent Frum enough””
And why are you posting to me? Did I ever say that I agree with what these Yeshivos do?
Yenta – Ok; and now what’s the Heter to hate his kids and deny them a Frum education?!?!
Matan1 -“Health,
You said you know 2 rabbeim that didnt sent their children to YU. 2 cases does not substantiate your claim. It is just anecdotal evidence.”
You’d be right if they were just Hebrew teachers, but one of them was an Odom Godol and everything he did was for a good reason.
“Im not lying. The level of learning in YU is on par with any other yeshiva in north america, not to mention that YU has the largest collection of roshay yeshiva in north america.
Please come to the gleuck bais medrish and join in our learning. You will not be disappointed.”
Ok, I’ll take your word for this. So it must be the other reason I mentioned – that they didn’t send – that YU’s environment is Not conducive for Bochurim to become Bnei Torah!
For s/o with so much college behind him -you can’t seem to comprehend my simple point. My point was that in the workplace because of all the laws that there are – people tend to hesitate to mingle with opposite genders because they are afraid of them taking it the wrong way and possibly complaining to the bosses, Gov., etc. about it. People in college have no such fear and mingling is commonplace.
“You are missing the point. I went to both Touro and Co-Ed.”
And so did I, but not to Flatbush division.
“I know what went on in both.”
And so did I.
Actually I’m enlightening you that whatever goes on in Touro – it’s worse in regular college.
“The Nisayon is harder in Touro because you think you are in a frum environment. In Co-ED College, your walls are up and you are wary of everything.”
Well wake up and smell the coffee. Not e/o is wary of Not mingling with opposite genders in regular college. Plenty of people fall in, whether the opposite Gender is Jewish or not.
That wasn’t the question I posted. Here it is again:
“What is preferable – to go to a co-ed school or a Non co-ed school if the whole difference will be how much money you’ll have afterwards from your job?”
Why don’t you ask him this question and then post his answer here?
I did go to Touro after the others. There are reasons I didn’t go there first, but one of the main reasons was – there isn’t a Touro near Lakewood.
“Health & Shmoel: A college can not discriminate and must accept everyone. Even Touro Hakodosh has a Toeva club…. I wonder if Rabbonim will come out against Touro.”
We had this discussion about the clubs previously in the CR. You can search the CR for all those posts. I’m Not interested in rehashing this aspect of the topic.
Matan1 -“Health- there could be a hundred reasons why they didnt send there.”
There could be, but the most logical reason is that the Torah learning and/or Torah environment is Not up to par. If it was for a different reason some of the kids would have gone, but maybe not all. Look I know these people personally -so it’s not a coincidence that not one of them went.
You want to live in your little lies -it’s fine with me, but coming here and trying to convince the world that your lies are true is when I’m going to stand up and expose them.
And my post is Not to say that there aren’t any Bnai Torah there.
Some people excelled in spite of the environment, but that doesn’t mean s/o should take that risk.
We have had this argument many times before in the CR. If s/o is looking for a Yeshiva like a YU, the best bet is NIRC in Balto., MD.
This is a massive Chillul Hashem. First perpetrated by the Frum community here in NY, then by the community in Belgium and then by him.
I make a Machoh here in public that noone has the right to take revenge on s/o’s kids because of the parent’s actions.
There is always exceptions -like where the parents will move out of town when they are suspected criminals, if you deny access to the schools for the kids.
Matan1 -“Health- Have you ever been to the YU batai midrashim?”
Actually I have for a few minutes. I didn’t judge them up for those few minutes.
I personally knew 2 Rebbeyim from there that didn’t send their own kids there. Now I wonder why?
anon1m0us -“Funny, did you grow up in a secluded area where there are no women around? Do you think women only exist in the workplace or in the kitchen? Women are in colleges, streets etc. The same laws that apply in the workplace apply in College and outside your work. I am sure you are aware that every college has their own HR, security and also work closely with the police if any crimes take place.”
Who’s talking about crimes?
If you’re saying that bad things go on in Touro, do you really think the Nisayon is less in a Goyish college? Sounds like you have a guilty complex. Your Hashkofos are way off base. Why don’t you ask your Rabbi, if you have one, what is preferable – to go to a co-ed school or a Non co-ed school if the whole difference will be how much money you’ll have afterwards from your job?
“The world does not revolve around you or your problems. If you are going to miss the exam, take it early or whenever they tell you need to take it.”
Again you repeat the same nonsense. I didn’t say it wasn’t possible – I said you get a hard time. Why have a hard time when you can go to Touro?
Matan1 -“Have you considered Y.U.? Its ranked by U.S news and world report as the 46th best college in the country and has learning on par with lakewood.”
Most Frum people disagree about the learning level there. So they stay in their regular Yeshivos and go to Touro at night. (Providing that their Yeshiva allows this.)
zahavasdad -“I went to a public university and never had any classes on Shabbos either and since in college few people want to go on Friday, there were rarely any classes on Fridays after 12:15”
This has changed in many colleges nowadays.
anon1m0us- “Health: Please do not confuse respect with Hate. I don’t care enough about Touro to even put forth any hate emotions. I am stating my experience and as it indicates, I do not respect it. However, B’h it’s LH and not Mozyzi Shem Rah, cause that would mean I also lied. And yes, I went to the one on Ave J and probably knew about 50% of the guys. I stand by what I said.”
But since you’re just qualifying your statement now -your original statement is Motzay Shem Ra! And how you can say you don’t hate Touro when you just made a negative statement about all of Touro colleges because you didn’t like one. This is simply hate – more than lack of respect. S/o that doesn’t respect something doesn’t seek revenge by putting down everything about the place, like you did. Your statement applied to All their schools whether you admit it or not.
“Also, the same halacha issues you have in coed schools you have working. I can’t fathom what halacha issues you are referring to, but I realize it’s never to late to create a new chumrah.”
Funny, are you MO that thinks the workplace is the same as college? Either you’re very ignorant about what goes on in college or your Yeshiva education didn’t include these Halachos.
First of all, there are all sort of legal rules that you have in the workplace, like ____ harrassment that doesn’t exist in college. Do you think it’s a Chumra not to have to mingle with people from the opposite gender? Do you think it’s a Chumra not to have to do a project with the opposite gender when you’re assigned one from the professor?
“What college have you went to where they had class on shabbos?!! I went to undergad and grad school and NEVER had a class or exam on shabbos!! You either take weekday classes, night classes or weekend classes. If you are not signed up for a weekend class, you NEVER have class on shabbos. As far as Yom Tov, why is it any different than anything else in life. Yes, you can take off, but you are still responsible for what happens! Do you use that excuse at work? “Sorry, I was off for my holiday so I missed the deadline.” No, you get the work done before Yom Tov starts and follow up after Yom Tov.”
First of all, some schools are now including Fri as part as weekday scheduling which are making Frum scheduling harder.
As far as Yom Tov goes I didn’t say you can’t take off, but they give you a hard time. I once had to take off Yom Tov and they made me take the test that was scheduled then – beforehand, limiting my study time. Why should s/o make their life harder when there are schools like Touro?
akuperma -“If you have the grades and scores to go to NYU or Columbia, they are better schools than Touro. If you can get into a public university (e.g.CUNY or SUNY for a New Yorkers), the in-state tuition is much cheaper. Some people lack the grades to get into a public university, and they’ll find Touro is an option. Some people find a co-ed non-Jewish environment to be too intimidating if not hostile, and Touro is an answer.”
Let me explain you the reason why many Frum Jews pick Touro. Even if they have the grades for Ivy league schools they pick Touro. Even if it costs a little more they pick Touro. Why? In the non co-ed schools Frum people pick it not because it’s intimidating otherwise, just it makes keeping Halacha easier. There are a lot of Halacha problems that can come up in Co-ed schools.
And even in the Co-ed schools Frum people go there because they will never have class on Shabbos or on Yom Tov and only part of the day on Erev of these days. I’ve gone to other colleges and I always had to make my schedule around Shabbos and when I needed to take off Yom Tov, even though they had to legally let me off – they gave me a hard time.
anon1m0us -“Health:
In addition, I never stated I hated Touro. The OP asked information on Touro which I responded to 1) higher tuition, 2) Ranked 104 compared to other in state colleges, and 3) its high school. As I stated, if you liked High School, you enjoyed Touro.”
You might not have stated you hate it outright, but it was quite obvious from your post. So if you don’t hate it how could you make a blanket statement that it’s high school? Which Touro is high school -the one on 23rd St. in Manhattan or the one in Flatbush? Or perhaps all of them are even though they have schools all over the world? Even if your statement was true, it can’t even be LH, only Motzay Shem Ra because you can’t possibly know about every single Touro college. But this didn’t stop you from speaking about all of them.
I think you should have been more concerned where you went to Yeshiva than which college you went to. You obviously didn’t have much of an education when it comes to the laws of LH!
anon1m0us – I also went to Payscale and this is what I found:
“Rank School Name Region School Type
191 – tie Touro College (New York) Northeast Private Schools
Starting Salary Mid-Career Salary
$50,200 $84,000
% with High Job Meaning
58%”
Touro is ranked – just from it’s four year college, not from any of it’s Grad schools, 191 out of over a thousand colleges listed!
And the % with High Job Meaning is higher than even Princeton Univ.
anon1m0us – I also went to Touro and don’t hate it like you do.
Instead of insinuating that poster (“greatest”) is a liar because of your bias – all you had to do was ask him for his source!
E/o knows the rankings that you quoted and quite frankly those rankings are Not as important as salary rankings. But you’re scared that you might not be right in regards to Touro -so you wrote this long-winded post. And your rank out of Lakewood is duly noted.
old man -“5. From a halachic point of view, you are doing an aveirah. Shame on you.
Please, lay off. She asked for advice, not mussar.”
While you have a point, this OP might be interested in what the Godol HaDor has said regarding this. She might be ignorant about Bas Mitzvahs and the posters can make her informed.
Joseph previously quoted R’ Moshe zt’l and I’m reposting it:
“Max Well – Joseph
2. Iggros Moshe, OH, 1:104″
“In the matter of a Bas Mitzvah:
Regarding those who want to make a ceremony and celebration for the girls when they become bas mitzvah. Behold, one should not do this in a synagogue, regardless, even at night, because the synagogue is not a place to do optional, non-mitzvah matters, even if it was constructed with a stipulation. And this ceremony of the bas mitzvah is certainly only an optional matter and it is a matter of nonsense and there is no basis to allow it to be done in the synagogue. Certainly this is even more so since the source of this practice comes from the Reform and Conservative. Only if the father wants to make a celebration in his house is he allowed. But there is no basis to consider this a mitzvah matter or the meal a mitzvah meal, for it is nothing more than a birthday celebration.
YW Moderator-007 – “That’s why you are being escorted to the door. You are nothing less than a bored troll. Let it be known, that “shmendrick” has in the past used “goldenpupik” as a screename, before he was quickly blocked for being a troll.”
I knew it would end this way.
From above:
“This I don’t believe for a second. Trolls have many reasons why they post but they aren’t gonna stop on their own. If forced to stop – they try to return under another SN!”
Is there a way to block his IP address – so he doesn’t come back with a new SN?
zahavasdad -“Either accept these reposibilies or dont hold these offices. You cannot kick the issues to other communities who might not want these issues either”
This line of yours I agree with to the Nth degree.
We have to remember we are still in Golus. Golus is in Yerushalyim and in Bnei Brak. And it’s even in Lakewood, NJ.
E/o here keeps screaming to the Frum local Gov. that there is a problem, but they don’t want to listen to the only Mentchlich solution which I have already mentioned.
hershi -“bb8: Are you saying the risk of cancer increases if someone with a gallstones problem does NOT have the surgery to remove it?”
He’s not saying it – Medical Science is.
From the University of Maryland Medical System (amongst many):
(I didn’t post all of the article, nor all of the complications.)
“Gallstones and gallbladder disease – Prognosis and Complications:
Other Complications:
Gallbladder Cancer: Gallstones are present in about 80% of people with gallbladder cancer. There is a strong association between gallbladder cancer and cholelithiasis, chronic cholecystitis, and inflammation. Symptoms of gallbladder cancer usually do not appear until the disease has reached an advanced stage and may include weight loss, anemia, recurrent vomiting, and a lump in the abdomen.
Research shows that survival rates for gallbladder cancer are on the rise, although the death rate remains high because many people are diagnosed when the cancer is already at a late stage. When the cancer is caught at an early stage and has not spread beyond the mucosa (inner lining), removing the gallbladder (resection) can cure many people with the disease. If the cancer has spread beyond the gallbladder, other treatments may be required.”
2scents – “Thanks for the freebie,”
No problem. Here’s another one:
“However all I stated that one should consult with a doctor or surgeon that specializes in gallbladder surgeries.
Before opting for surgery it makes sense to have someone study your case, someone that specializes in studying it.”
This is not always feasable. You should know this because You Claim to be an EMT who brings pts. to hospitals. Let’s say you bring a pt. in your town to Good Sam and the ER Doc says he’s admitting the pt. and getting a Surg consult who then tells the pt. he wants to operate in a day or two. I highly doubt that this hospital has what you call a gallbladder specialist. Even if it does most hospitals won’t have one of these. So you can’t call one in to look at your case -so what do you do now? Do you go ahead with the surgery or do you check out of the hospital AMA and go look for this gallbladder specialist? You might say leave the hospital, but I’d recommend staying and having the surgery.
shmendrick
Pathetic Troll
“I have been labeled a “pathetic troll” – which may disgrace kovod haTorah. Should I continue posting and sharing my wisdom or is it time to leave the CR quietly?”
What is “disgracing Kovod haTorah” you or the label?
“Should I continue posting and sharing my wisdom or is it time to leave the CR quietly?
I am open to hearing and being mekabel the opinion of rov ha’tzibur.”
This I don’t believe for a second. Trolls have many reasons why they post but they aren’t gonna stop on their own. If forced to stop – they try to return under another SN!
I think the reason by you it seems that you have a histrionic personality. You need that attention whether it’s negative or positive – hence this topic.
Ben Levi -“However the solution is not for a “Tent City” to be put up right near families with little children.”
Noone put them there. They live in the woods because they don’t have anywhere else to live.
“Not when people in the Tent City are not just homeless many of them are not mentally stable and the problems from the residents of the “Tet City” are quite dangerous.”
This is your bias speaking. Yes, mentally ill people can be homeless and they can also be living in a home. Homeless people can be mentally ill and they can also be mentally normal.
One thing has nothing to do with the other.
The solution is for the County and/or township Gov. to build/buy a least one shelter. I give them permission, if they claim they have no money, to stop providing schooling to illegal immigrants and their kids and use this money towards a shelter!
2scents -“I differ with you, I know this first hand, as I was with the PT, the ER doc and the general Doc stated that this must be removed, we did some research and found a reputable surgeon who did a more extensive investigation and advised to hold on the surgery.”
This is your right.
“I was not trying to put anyone down, just stating what happened, and hopefully someone will use this as a lesson and not jump for surgery when told so by o=a general doctor.”
I’m not hear to teach you medicine, but when those Docs say what they did, almost always will the Surgical consult back them up.
“Removing and organ is not a joke, I am surprised at how lightly people take this. surgery should be a last resort. In other words consult with Doctors and surgeons that specialize in this.”
Noone who practices medicine takes this lightly.
“Please explain why someone should opt for surgery when the pain and symptoms can be controlled with a regulated diet.”
This one time is a freebee. I honestly don’t know why that Surgeon didn’t say cut it out. Perhaps you/he/she refused surgery or some sort of medical reason why they couldn’t do Surgery. But the fact remains that Medical Practice dictates for Symptomatic Gallstones and/or Gallbladder inflammation – the main treatment is Surgery. The ER doc and the general Doc didn’t make up medical practice – they just follow it. Where medical practice comes from is complicated, but if you look in every standard Medical book or article you will find that they all say the same thing with regards to this disease. Medicine and surgery many times work hand in hand and this is one of those times. This is why students who are going to practice medicine have to do rotations, not only in Medicine, but also in Surgery. And it doesn’t matter what field you’re actually going to practice in.
2scents -“Having stones on its own, is not yet a sufficient reason for removal, most doctors just look at the sonogram and say oh, you have stones so go for surgery.”
Actually you just made this derogatory remark, perhaps not realizing it, against Doctors.
“most doctors just look at the sonogram and say oh, you have stones so go for surgery”
No, actually most docs Do Not.
Well actually it depends. If the pt. came in with upper abd. pain and an US was ordered and they found stones -then almost all practioners will recommend surgery. This is consistent with current medical practice. (Something that they don’t teach in EMT/Medic school.)
If it’s just an incidental finding and the pt. has No symptoms related to their gallbladder, then Most practioners will Not recommend surgery. Instead they will take a wait & see approach.
Mind reader -“So for all those that think they know it all let me give you a little background as to what is really going on.
yes lakewood does not have a shelter for them but they were offered a shelter in Toms River now the reason they dont want to stay there – and these are in the words of the homeless- is because in the shelters they need to follow rules and cant have drugs.”
Actually I think you need to know what’s really going on. There is no Public shelter anywhere in Ocean County for adults and this includes Toms River. Because of your post I actually did a search on the net and the HUD website only lists one single shelter in Ocean County for adults in Southern Ocean County (Waretown) which isn’t Gov. owned. The statement attributed above was because some guy asked s/o in tent city that was high on drugs and that’s what he answered.
The real answer is there is No Gov. shelter!
The local Gov. has tons of our money (property taxes) to send illegals here in Lakewood to public school, but they don’t have any money for a shelter. In spite of Yalmulkas on their heads the Lakewood Gov. doesn’t represent me or my views which are based on Torah.
Wake up & smell the coffee!
Das -“Health – Not sure if you were serious or not but it doesn’t sound like they’re having such major marriage problems that would require divorce or therapy c”v. Although seeking advise from rabbanim and other knowledgeable people is always a good idea, you seem to imply that their marriage is on the rocks. Every one has differences and arguments in a marriage (and this is a pretty typical one) – nothing wrong with that! Question is how to deal with it.”
Yes, I was serious. By the time a person comes to a public forum, like YWN, seeking help – it’s because they are at the end of their rope.
Now is the time to seek professional help before the resentment amongst themselves is too great.
WIY -“There is a segulah (I think it is mentioned in the Gemara but not sure so don’t quote me on it) that when faced with a barking dog recite the pasuk “Ul’chol bnei Yisroel lo yecheratz kelev l’shono” and it will cause the dog to back down. People say it works.”
If the dog was loose -I’d be too scared to think about this because I’d be in the mode of “Flight or fight”.
But it does work. I once had my car parked next to a police car in a parking lot. He wasn’t there, but his dog was. The dog saw me and started barking and yelping through the car. It was very loud -so I said the Posuk you mentioned. All of a sudden, the dog was quiet. I didn’t think it was a coincidence.
PBA -“the frum world is inherently petrified of dogs.”
“Most frum Americans are descendant of holocaust survivors. Maybe that’s why.”
Nope. The reason is – there is an Inyan not to own dogs. I actually think s/o once mentioned this here in the CR.
miritchka -“Being afraid usually stems from a past experience. If a child (or adult) gets startled by a dogs bark, chased by a dog, etc.., could make one afraid of dogs for life.”
Yup. As a kid I went to visit a Frum neighbor who owned a dog and I was scared to get too close. Me and the dog had a staring match and then all of a sudden the dog started chasing me and I ran and then the dog jumped on me before the Frum owner was able to call it off. Ever since then I’m petrified of dogs.
2scents -“Someone I know was having Gall stone attackes, two doctors recomended that he remove the gallbladder right away,
At the meeting with the surgeon, the surgeon did a thourough invesitagtion and stated that in his opinion any surgery should be a last resort, he recomended that the patient start a diciplined diet and see if the stones give him any problems.”
While every case is different -so I’m not about to say this surgeon is wrong – this is not the standard.
“He stated that a large percentage of people have stones yet do not have any problems with the gallblader.”
This is true, but from your own words this wasn’t the case here –
“I know was having Gall stone attackes” – this means they weren’t asymptomatic. The treatment for Gallstone attacks is removal of the Gallbladder. There are other options, but they generally are Not recommended. I posted this above:
“There are other treatments like Actigall -takes upto two years and only works half the time. They can do lithrotripsy (ultrasound breaking up the stones) -this works about 35% of the time.”
“Therefore, I think that you should get a few opinions and not jump for surgery.”
While it’s always a good idea to get a second opinion – this doesn’t mean shopping around until you find an opinion you agree with.
Surgery is the main treatment for inflammation of the gallbladder and/or Symptomatic gallstones.
The reason is because the chance of getting a complication from the surgery is much less than the chance of getting one from the disease itself.
hershi -“Is it really that difficult to get a barber’s license?”
Not “That” difficult, but why pay money to the Gov. when you can make the same or more without them?
neenee -“Why can’t they move the tent city resident’s to a shelter.”
Ahhh, Ehhh, because there isn’t one. Lakewood, nor Ocean county have shelters for homeless people. The township had thousands of dollars to pay their lawyer to try to evict them from tent city, but they have “No” money for a shelter. If you and the other residents are so concerned let these people live in your basement free of charge. I’m sure most residents of tent city will agree to this deal.
The little I know – You missed my point. I’m very against smoking and that first cig of the addiction is also Ossur. But if s/o smokes a pack or two a year and this lets him avoid having the Taavah for smoking as an addiction -this IMHO is fine!
trim – It’s easy for anyone to spend male or female, but it’s very hard to do the income part.
I’d say to divorce her, but you’ll end up spending a thousand times more in our American society for the whole process and afterwards.
So if nothing has been working so far -it’s time for a marital therapist/counselor.
G-luck.
2scents -“Is this a sick person, or just an innocent young lady?”
Never was a young lady by his own admission. And you could look for the post yourself.
akuperma -“If your scanner is operating illegally, shut up and stop scanning before you get arrested.”
It’s not illegal unless you do it on purpose.
“If her phone is operating on the wrong frequency (which is the only way you could be legally getting her conversations), tell her since her phone is broken (and she could get in trouble for it).”
She can’t get in trouble for this. What happens is the junky phones can’t stick to their frequencies and anyone with a receiver/scanner can pick it up. It happens more often with other handheld phones -you can pick up others’ convos if they are in range. Either buy an expensive cordless that can only be picked up by the base/cordless of that set or use a landline for privacy.
GAW – It’s where the homeless here live. They live in tents. They haven’t invented Shelters for them here in this County like they have in NYC.
The little I know -“In other threads in the CR, the discussions about smoking included the overwhelming majority of rabbonim and poskim who stated unequivocally that smoking (yes, even the single cigarette) is a clear issur mid’oraysa.”
While I agree with the rest of your post -your statement of “even the single cigarette) is a clear issur mid’oraysa” -I totally disagree with. When you make something totally Ossur, when it’s not, then it is much harder for people to comply. One pack a year is clearly not dangerous and probably even more than that. People tune out the message when it’s over the cliff.
Mammele -“I didn’t think of “not touching” the bread, but I’d probably need gloves/plastic bags for that.”
These breads usually come with a wrapper -you could use that.
“My point was that the OU/chufK/OK I’m not really sure who, would do many patients a favor by making it mezonos.”
It’s the hospital staff that puts together the meals -they can choose a Hamotzay product or a Mezonos product, nothing to do with the Kashrus orgs.
Sam2 -“He is a member of a minority and some try to read him as well as saying that Ein Hachi Nami it’s Avodah Zarah, but we’re allowed to do business with those that keep this Avodah Zarah.”
Can you name these Shittos/Achronim?
“Also, it’s entirely possible that there are censorship issues here. Many editions of the Shulchan Aruch in Orach Chayim 114 (104?), where he calls a cross Avodah Zarah, were censored out. And the Rama doesn’t disagree there.”
First of all, a Tzelem (Cross) could be AZ without the religion being one for Goyim. Second of all, I’ve heard this from many people, everytime I mention this Rema -they say the censor. To me anything that doesn’t personally agree with your Shittos -you can wipe away the S’A by just saying the Censor did it.
Also, if it was the censor – then Achronim wouldn’t Pasken like this Rema. They knew at least as much as people nowadays regarding censorship. I’ve seen at least one Achron Pasken like this Rema Halacha L’meysa!
See my post under “Haircuts”.
dhl144 – If you like medicine why not become a PA or a Doc? Nurses can’t practice medicine – unless they go back to school and become a nurse practioner.
twisted -“If you peel off the sauce and cheese from one slice and scrunch up the crust, you wont have a k’betzho or more? How about if you hold a kzayis is the size of a medium big olive?”
I honestly don’t understand your point. I tried to find R’ Moshe’s Teshuva about pizza, but I couldn’t. Let’s say that pizza is a Mezonos – if you do a web search -a lot of Kashrus agencies say that it is – and they say two is a Hamotzay. Now how could two be a Vaday Hatmozay? This I did find in the Teshuvous that R’ Moshe says 4 K’beyos is a Seudah. I really doubt two slices is four eggs for sure.
sof davar -“I object to your disrespect towards many talmidei chachamim. Mocking their status as rabbonim because they have a psak with which you disagree is a display of tremendous chutzpah and arrogance. I will not continue discussing halacha with you until you retract and apologize.”
I have already done the same with that poster.
polisha chosid -“Many years later I was sitting at a meeting of Rabbonum and Dayonim and sandwiches were served. A discussion pursued regarding washing and hamotzi. The Dayan who gave the hechser for the sandwiches stated that one may make a mezones if he was eating only one or two sandwiches,”
Yes, this proves that I was right when I said above they actually hold it’s Mezonos and Not that the owners of the restaurants made it up.
The reason that I posted on this topic is that I find posters and people in general to have an attitude that my way and my Rabbi’s way is right. Any other opinion is wrong.
This is quite evident from this poster:- “There is no halachik basis whatsoever to make a mezonos on a mezonos roll.”
When people make comments like these, even if they got this from Their Poskim, I feel I can’t keep quiet.
147 -“That is good:- At least s/he doesn’t have to worry about the issue of the tent city”
Stop with “tent city” already.
If the people in this town & county were normal -these homeless people would have a Nice, Warm shelter to live in. It ain’t these peoples’ fault, no matter how much the selfish people try to portray that it is.
Goq -“she had never really gone off on me before so i wasnt expecting an expletive filled tirade but i will not put up with it in the future.”
Now that you know – never have anything to do with these people again.
recipes -Also when I rearched the Net last night all I saw from many Poskim nowadays was that 1 slice is Mezonos and 2 slices you wash. I didn’t see noone who says differently.
Now R’ Moshe zt’l said 2 slices is a Soffek and they all are saying for sure Hamotzay.
IMHO it’s just the opposite. Those days the slices were bigger and the people skinnier. So if anything changed nowadays, from R’ Moshe zt’l’s time, it’s this – two slices isn’t even close to a meal because the slices are smaller and people on the avg. are fatter. So it would take more food for a person to get full on – than less.
FYI, on a side note, I knew a real skinny guy who could eat a whole pie -I’m not talking about those personal pies, in one sitting. That’s eight slices in a shot. I honestly don’t know where he put it!
Mammele -“However, when I was hospitalized (usually after giving birth) the ou slice of bread always irked me. I usually abstained from eating it.”
Why? Even if not a Choleh -you can eat it. If no water around just don’t touch the bread. Even with water around you wash your hands without a Brocha (I don’t know if you even have to wash your hands at all). And then you make a Hamotzay. And Bench if you ate a Kzayis.
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Mr. Health -“I didn’t see the Teshuva from R’Moshe you mentioned, but it’s possible that that’s why he holds in America it’s Mezonos (bec. he holds eats mainly eaten for a snack) not bec. of the Shitas Hataz.”
It’s possible that’s what he holds, but there are those who say Pizza is Pashtida, like our very own PBA from a previous topic.
PBA says -“I think you are making a mistake. Pizza is pretty clearly in the category discussed by the shulchan aruch in 168:17 regarding pashtida. The din of pashtida is that it is not pas kisnim at all, and one always makes hamotzi.”
And I honestly agree with him. Even though I just read online a lot of articles saying this Chiluk that Pizza is Not Pashtida and if you’re eating it as snack it’s Mezonos -this really doesn’t make any sense. First of all, some Achronim hold Pas without anything sweet is definitely Hamotzay like Pashtida and this is the definition of Pashtida. So right away R’ Moshe zt’l has to argue in this definition and you don’t find he argues. But let’s say he argues and Pizza doesn’t have to be Pashtida because it’s on the outside instead of the inside -to me this is a big Dochek.
I think it’s a less Dochek to say he holds like the Taz. Therefore
if you eat your hamburger slider (I picked a small burger -so people can’t say -“1 regular burger is a Kveias Seuda which I really doubt) with a Mezonos roll then you make a Mezonos.
To make these Chilukim between Pizza, burgers and Pashtida is ridiculous to me. People here tell me that there is no such thing as a “Mezonos roll” and therefore this slider is Pashtida and Hamotzay, but pizza with the cheese on top is Not Pashtida acc. to R’ Moshe zt’l. So what if I put the slider on top of the bun -so now I can make a Mezonos? To make all these Chilukim just to say R’ Moshe doesn’t hold like the Taz is in my mind a bigger Doichek than saying he Paskens like the Taz.
I saw written by the Rabbonim of YU that they hold a “Mezonos” roll is Hamotzay is because you can’t taste the apple juice.
This I don’t understand because the Mechaber holds that bread made out of “other” things is Mezonos. All he says that the “other stuff” has to be recognizable, if the Pshat is tastes like it – why wouldn’t he hold like the Rema that you need all or most May Pairos? This would be more likely to taste the May Pairos than a little bit of Fruit. And yet he holds it’s Mezonos, even with a little stuff inside.