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JayMatt19 -“@Health, you are missing my point.
1st of all, as I said in my into, I am not going to discuss Levin, so I will not. My post was solely based upon Joseph’s comment that Hurricane is directly Yad Hashem and that the cruel animal in CT had bechira, so that somehow limits the ability for it to have been a gezaira from Hashem, thus preventing it from being for a certain reason (note, I am arguing the Torah here, not the individual events and not their causes)”
Yes, I did answer this -“We just had a discussion in the CR that many Shittos hold you can Kill s/o without Hashem’s permission.”
So they hold this 20 yo massacre has nothing to do with G-d.
And even if it did – like those Shittos – nothing would make it point to Toeiva anymore than any other Aveira, as opposed to a hurricaine. They do many Aveiros here. As a matter of fact, the Jews should think what they did wrong because “No punishments come to this world only because of Jews” (Chazal). One of the exceptions to this that you see from the Torah is Toeiva.
“Thanks for toning it down and not calling mt a lying antisemite”
Oh, btw Pollard is in the news again. It seems he never even passed info about the US to Israel only about other countries. Talk about Antisemitism.
chalilavchas -“So what is it you suggest Klal Yisroel do to stop homosexuality in the world?
If you answer- vote the politicians backing it and fighting for gay rights, out of office, its not happening in this life. The ultra-frum velt is SO dependent on programs (mainly because of lack of secular education and the current state of the economy), they need the liberal politicians in office for survival, to put bread on the table. The same politicians offering goodies to the masses, are the ones who are pro-gay rights.”
Good guess. That is exactly my suggestion! I don’t vote for these types, even though I don’t want Yidden who Need it to lose Social Programs. Because this is another liberal lie. Even the most staunch con can’t possibly stop all the programs overnite. Yes, they will limit it -be more strict, etc. And this is a good thing -it will only go the ones that Really Need it.
Do you have any idea how much fraud there is in just Medicare & Medicaid?
As far as Jews not changing their voting policies -they are not the least bit Ehrlich & will have to give a Din V’chesbon – how it’s more important to them to line their own pockets than to stop this Toeiva madness!
Ctrl Alt Del -“The Torah states quite clearly “V’Talmud Torah K”Neged Kulam”.
Talmud Torah (learning Torah) is equal to all other Mitzvos.
Ben Levi,
Please tell me where it says this in the Torah.”
S’A -Y’D 246:18.
Jay -Your logic is faulty. We just had a discussion in the CR that many Shittos hold you can Kill s/o without Hashem’s permission.
And even if you hold like those that you can’t -what makes you think this has to do with Toeiva?
A hurricaine is similar enough to a Mabul that a person can link the two without being a Novi.
What is bothering you? That a Rabbi or two got up and said that destruction comes from Toevia marriage? That he told the Goyim that there is a G-d and he is a punishing G-d? That he spoke in the name of Klal Yisroel and he didn’t ask you permission? To answer this – he spoke in his own name.
Because a lot of Jews don’t like the publicity he gets -so they say he can’t possibly know what he’s talking about.
Yes, he can surmise that hurricaines come from Toeiva. This is what Hashem wants Jews to do. This is why we have many “Stories” in the Torah. He never claimed he knew the reason 100% but he is learning up from the Torah.
If you learned the Toechacha -you’d see that if a tragedy befalls us we have to try and learn from it -if you ignore it -Hashem gets even more angry and brings even worse punishment.
This topic is pure Motzay Shem Ra. You don’t have to agree with these two Rabbis in their outspoken views on Toeiva, but who gave you the right to start a topic making fun of them for no reason? It’s not such a far fetch to say hurricaines have to do with Toeiva -it has nothing to do with Ruach Hakodesh. The bible story of the flood wasn’t just given down for childrens’ bedtime stories. Everything in the Torah is meant for us to learn from. They are just learning from the Mabul and applying it in our day & age.
You don’t have to listen to their Mussar about Toeiva, but why make fun? You could just be like the Goyim -nothing happens because of G-d – hurricaines are because of global warming. But there is nothing wrong with learning some Mussar from the hurricaine.
I’m surprised the Mods let this OP pass through the screening.
HaLeiVi – “HaLeiVi is Supposedly not Joseph”
Who decided you’re not, maybe you are.
“Not only don’t you regret shaming someone, you actually think you deserve an apology!?”
Whoever you are – you just lied. I never shamed anyone in this situation. Why do you think you can just make up things and then ask questions on them?
Yiddishe Kup -“So you may decide they are all lying, or Howowitz is lying but it isn’t only one person’s testimony.”
How about a Torah Kup? I never said this guy was innocent. I said the evidence that was presented in no way made him guilty even circumstantially. If the DA would have brought other victims -then I’d be comfortable that it was a just verdict.
I posted this before -So why didn’t he? Because he knew the biased Jury wouldn’t believe a white middle-aged man over a young girl. The young girl couldn’t possibly be lying -she must be a victim. They based their verdict on their emotions, not on the facts only.
chalilavchas – Mr. Rabble Rouser from Willi – Maybe the same guy who got bleach thrown on him – maybe not?
“The Weberman case reveals the tip of the iceberg in how low we have sunk in terms of corruption, extortion, and yes, violations of arayos.
We have our own home-brewed mafia.
This mafia is not represented by poskim, rabbanim, or by batei dinim. Indeed, our Torah leaders are frightened to take a stand against their excesses. We need to take steps to remedy this situation, and we need to do so now.
Firstly, we must abolish the current organizations now and disenfranchise them from any power base that we can. The Vaad HaTzniyus organizations and everyone involved in them must be directly run by batei dinim and poskim. The beis din must have oversight over every individual involved in these activities and anything said and done must have the approval of qualified poskim.”
Now the first question you’ll ask me is why copy & paste so much? The answer is because I agree about Vaad Hatzinuses. Let them go back to wherever they crawled out from.
Now here’s comes the rant: I see no proof from the case that this guy is guilty. If anybody here learned any Torah you know we need two Eidim, even in a Goyishe court you need at least one. Nothing even close to that here. And even where Bais Din would do things in circumstantial evidence – it was where it was clear about the perp’s guilt -here it’s not clear at all.
But the biggest joke of your post is that you said the only ones that should have power are the Bottey Dinim, noone else. This would be correct if they were all honest. I know two different principals in two different towns that are molesters. The evidence by one I know first hand (And No – not personally involved) – the other I read evidence against him by more than one person. But what did these two separate Bottey Dinim do? They said it’s all lies – so these people are still in their positions. So what’s up with the Willi bashing -you think it’s better elsewhere – LOL?
Naysberg -“If a couple divorced, does that necessarily demonstrate that they lacked shalom bayis?”
In my case there wasn’t so much Sholom Bayis and I’m divorced, but the honest truth is I know couples much worse than I was with Sholom Bayis and are still married.
What – one for every hour of the shift?
If you need scrubs because of a job or training the place of work usually lends them to you. When I needed it -that’s how I got mine.
shmendrick – “Your postings may have caused readers to be nichshal in melacha b’shabbos!! Ignorance is no excuse for being machshil ess harabbim.”
Again you are Megaleh Ponim B’torah Shelo K’Halacha. You didn’t even read or understand your own post. There’s No Chiyuv.
Also, I said there could be an Inyan because of Maaris Ayin. R’ SZ Auerbach says Tarti Disasrey which is very similar to Maaris Ayin, even though not exactly the same.
There is only a basis to keep this Chumra if you’re a Talmid of those two Rabbonim in EY. (Or a Talmid of the RY Z’tl in Brooklyn. Or a Talmid of anyone else who holds this.)
You are still Megaleh Ponim because you said before the BH (Chofetz Chaim) Paskens like the R’ A. Eiger. So since we hold like the C.C. usually – there is no reason like R’ SZA says “Indeed, the stature of HaRav Akiva Eiger is so great that it is proper to be concerned with his halachic positions.” R’ SZA doesn’t have to hold like the CC, but unless you’re a Talmid of R’ SZA you don’t have to hold like him over the CC!
To those posters that insulted me -now that you see I was right -you should apologize to me. If you still don’t think I was right -ask Aries. When I cast a poster as s/o else like I did in this case -it’s because I had a gut feeling.
Wolf -“And if they did see it, they are probably bound by legal law not to discuss it in public (possibly making them fools if they did).”
They did see it and they didn’t tell others what it is, just that the Gov. didn’t have a strong case. They know basic law and a lot more than that.
Yatzmich -“And as far as getting your kids in to schools in Lakewood, be prepared to be humiliated and degraded and thrown from one bin to another.”
Excuse me. Not if you have a lot of money and then they will be chasing after you.
AZ -“Health: I addressed a comment you made which was both incorrect as well as a inaccurate representation of the age gap problem. I did not address anything you wrote on any other thread.”
And which comment was that? I further clarified my statements that my suggestions were for older females, not young girls.
Do you believe that a 35 y.o. woman should only marry another 35 y.o.? Maybe this is why I see so many women becoming spinsters -they think the same way. But I personally have no problem if 20 y.o. only went out with other 20 y.o.!
And btw, with all your Rabbonim & RY’s behind you – your Takanas aren’t being listened to, at least not in my community. Here in Lakewood esp. BMG, I see many guys marrying younger girls. This is fact, not speculation.
12 has also been significant to me since my creation.
12/12/12 was my birthday. 🙂
The Wolf -“How could you possibly know this?
If you’re not in the intelligence community, you could not possibly know the evidence that may or may not exist against Mr. Pollard.
And if you are in the intelligence community (with knowledge of the case), you’re a fool for posting about it here on a public message board.”
It’s funny that you’re calling me a fool. Usually you post with intelligence – this is not one of those times. I know this info because that is what the people defending Pollard claim -they have a web site where you can access this info. Google it.
The people making this claim are legal experts that have seen all the evidence – all I did was repeat it over.
That’s right I’m entitled to believe their claim even if I didn’t actually see all the evidence myself.
JayMatt -“@Health
Try reading the official court documents, not the articles in the media. You might learn something”
Look, I’m not a lawyer; but are you a lawyer or a law student?
I’m not going to repeat my comment to you I made before, but you definitely are showing bias towards the Gov.’s side. What makes you think I just read the articles in the media that you so hauntingly claim? Maybe you should read all the legal documents in his defense before you boldy claim that the Gov. is right and his punishment was just? Ya’know many Goyim have come out publically that this is an injustice and they don’t even have a Chiyuv to be Dan s/o L’caf Zecus.
From a former lawyer of Pollard’s:
“6. The Government’s Breach of the Plea Agreement:
You agree in your memorandum that there are “legitimate questions” regarding the government’s conduct at the time of sentencing in conjunction with its plea bargain. However, you selectively omit a full discussion of the issue and the pertinence of it to Mr. Pollard’s request for a commutation of his sentence.
The fact is that the government violated its plea bargain with Mr. Pollard in several fundamental respects. Nearly everyone who has examined the circumstances agrees with that conclusion. Indeed, this situation was severely questioned by the federal appellate court that reviewed Mr. Pollard’s sentence. Despite the government’s agreement in exchange for Mr. Pollard’s plea of guilty to temper its rhetoric at the tide of sentencing, not to seek a life sentence, and to point out that Pollard’s cooperation with the government had been valuable, the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit found that the government had engaged in “hard-nosed dealings,” Pollard v. United States, 939 F.2d 10110, 1030, cert. denied, 113 S. Ct. 322 (1992), and that the government’s conduct was “problematic” and “troublesome.” Id. at 1026. Dissenting Judge Stephen Williams concluded that the government violated material terms of Mr. Pollard’s plea agreement, resulting in a “fundamental miscarriage of justice.” Id. at 1032. And the government’s forceful, bitter and antagonistic rhetoric produced the very life sentence it had agreed not to seek. Although the courts declined for technical reasons to set aside Mr. Pollard’s sentence, there are no such constraints on the President’s constitutional power to commute Mr. Pollard’s sentence and thereby to redress the injustice of a sentence of life in prison despite the government’s promise not to seek such a sentence.
NJCRAC’s characterization of the facts is revealing. It says that Pollard’s claim of a government breach of the plea bargain is “not entirely a myth”. This is a very peculiar choice of words to describe an audacious, deliberate and manifest injustice.”
HaLeiVi -“Health, but as I wrote earlier, being Mekabel Shabbos is treated like a Nedder.”
But my point is saying Good Shabbos is Not being Mekabel Shabbos, nor is it a Loshon of Neder. People think by using fancy Jewish terms they can fool others into thinking that this is a Halacha or some Chumra based on Halacha. Unless you say it’s some sort of Maaris Ayin -I see no basis for this “Chumra”.
peacefull -“Btw,in a Neder there can be Divorim Sh’blev, if it’s said out in a Loshon of Neder but wasn’t meant so.”
In no way is saying “Good Shabbos” a Loshon of Neder.
notasheep -“Health – then tell the girls to date at age 20 instead of focusing on gaining ‘careers’ to support husbands in kollel! There are too many girls who want to finish college before they settle down.”
I don’t tell anyone what to do. And if I did – would anybody listen?
I’m just making a suggestion to stop this trend that I see of many women going throughout life being single.
CH -“Nope. He and his ex-wife violated the terms of the plea deal by giving interviews without permssion. Prosecutors and judges are not lenient with people who violate plea agreements.”
JM -“It’s just a matter of how much prison time.”
Even if he violated the terms first – the usual treatment is to throw out the whole agreement, not to keep the Guilty plea and throw out the light sentence.
So the issue isn’t a matter of how much prison time -the issue is once a plea agreement is thrown out -then the defendant has a legal right to a trial by his peers.
If he would have had a trial – the Gov. probably wouldn’t have won the case. There wasn’t a lot of evidence against him. If he would have been acquitted – he would have not served any time in Jail.
Stop buying the lies from the Gov. and the media. Unfortunately many Jews have bought into these lies as you can see from this old topic!
This is a question for Superman. No really – contact the Org. “Relief” – they can help you. They will fit a Shrink for you. It will be the best for you whether Frum or not.
DY – At a young age they can marry the same age, I don’t care about his project, but getting close to the age of Not being able to have kids -they should broaden their horizons alot!
HaLeiVi -“It comes from “1” Rosh Hayeshiva
Do you have someone specific in mind, BTW?”
I do. I heard it from s/o who said it in the name of a RY in Brooklyn. I didn’t hear it from him directly and he isn’t alive anymore, nor was he my RY, so I’m reluctant to post his name.
GAW -“To quote myself:
Chossid Shoite!!! He at the very least has the Din of a Safek Roidef, and everyone is mechuyav to be mefarsem the fact. Haven’t you heard of Gedaliah Ben Achikam?
Don’t get all “frum” trying to go kneged Halacha.
I can’t understand what you are thinking.”
Simple – even if he is a Rodef – all the Torah requires is stopping him. Here at the most it’s a Sofek. I don’t know if a vindictive Freye young girl can even make it that, but let’s say she can. So he never was accused outside this setting of therapist -so the Torah wouldn’t allow him to play therapist anymore. Btw, he shouldn’t have been doing this in the firstplace. There is no reason to think he would go lure people from the streets and therefore needs to be put away for life. To make that jump is Keneged any Daas Torah.
And my personal opinion is – he’s a fool, but not a molester.
I could be proven wrong – if many more victims testify against him.
chalilavchas -“Wrong! Chassidishe Men? Only the arrogant, seemingly guilty ones, who feel they dont have to answer to anyone! Im in awe of the heroic Rosenberg. Seems to me he’s Chassidish, or do you feel he’s not a man, so he doesnt count?”
I dunno. Are you him?
“Health, kindly address why you think Weberman didnt have any interest in keeping Hilchos Yichud if he was so stringent on other Halachos, and why you think Satmar was ok with this?”
I never said this guy was an outstanding Jew. I just said I’ve not seen any proof of his guilt.
“There is no debate that he took the girl on a long trip alone, because he wanted an apology from the mother for complaining about it.”
He said he also had his wife there. How do you know he is lying?
“There is no debate on his not keeping Hilchos Yichud, only on how many locks he locked.”
Do you believe in the Torah? Even by a Soitah where the woman was warned Not to have Yichud and she did anyway with Eidim -it just makes a Sofek. So we test her. She in no way is guilty after Yichud. So how are you sure he is guilty after Yichud?
“He and they did themselves in. Aizehu Chacham HaRoeh es Hanolad.”
Sorry, they convicted him on a very weak circumstantial case. The Anthony case was extremly strong, but still she was found innocent. How do you coinicide the two?
JayMatt19 -“Pollard also isn’t falsely imprisoned, he committed espionage and admitted to it, the claim with Pollard is that he was given too harsh of a sentence.”
You’re a lying Antisemite! He had a plea agreement deal. Whether he broke the deal first and then the Gov. is irrevelant. Once a plea agreement deal is broken the standard practice is to have a trial with a Jury of his peers. It’s the only case that I know about that the deal was thrown out And Not his Guilty Plea!
chalilavchas – I will not respond to your post, but it seems some very logical posters have, like “the little I know”. There are ways to deal with issues and there are ways to make a lot of smoke without much fire. I personally don’t know this guy, but if most people in Willi are against him they all aren’t wrong.
Just a question – are you him or are you related to him?
Btw, he ain’t much on the ball. He let EMS or Hatzolah (if they responded) take him to Woodhull. If they refused to take him elsewhere – call a cab or relative or friend (if he has any) and go to Manhattan. His life wasn’t immediately in danger. You’d think the guy that has his finger on the pulse of all molesters would have the sense Not to go to the worst hospital in the city.
AZ -“Health: I guess you still don’t understand.”
Actually I do understand. And I never put down your idea that you created in “Nasi” -so why are you putting down mine?
I’m sorry that you can’t admit that your Org. won’t solve the problem. It might put a dent in it somewhat. Mine will pretty much close the gap.
chalilavchas -“Health, you feel Weberman might be innocent?”
Wrong, I don’t know if he is innocent or guilty! I believe in a concept called Innocent Until PROVEN Guilty. Novel idea, No?
“OK, have the most attractive of your female relatives visit with the poor fellow, behind closed doors with three locks, with a video camera of course. Lets see if all he does is speak of the importance of heavy tights and danger of secular magazines.
Perhaps then you’ll have the evidence you need.”
Your Hatred to Chassidishe Men is quite obvious. Do you think that this girl was the only girl Weberman counselled? There were hundreds, if not thousands. So you/they claim they have a few more victims. After their testimonies with cross-exam I’ll decide innocent or guilty. But right now -why her did he abuse and not hundreds others? Perhaps she was out for revenge because he had evidence against her boyfriend with something called Statutory Blank?
WIY -“Health –
Wow.”
I’m not going to get into it with you, but I believe the Torah says to be “Melamed Es Kol Odom (Jew only) L’caf Zecus”. This goes very far if you look in the Gemorah.
You would be correct about this woman also, but since I was talking about whether her Geyrus was Kosher, meaning she could be a Goy – there is no Inyan to be Melamed Zecus.
I just actually follow Torah priniciples, not like others that it’s just mouth exercise!
old man -“Lesson: Judaism permits the use of the brain before reaching far-flung and quite impossible halachic conclusions.”
Thank you – Rabbi/Poisek for agreeing with me about the obvious.
Loyal Jew -“Health, no one wants to be depressed but who paskened that it’s Ossur?”
I defintely seen that it’s Ossur to be in Atzvus. (M”itzva Gedolah Leiyos B’simcha Tomid.” You reminded me of the song.) Open up a “Gateway to Happiness”. He discusses this.
“Even if someone did, did he also say that we can throw aside tznius, yichud, negiya and geder arayot for the cause of not being depressed?”
Definitely some of these can be avoided. But like I said before, if for some reason they can’t, a Shaila to your Rov should proceed any therapy. You and others for some reason – have decided it’s Ossur no matter what and this is simply wrong.
DaMoshe –
I discussed this case already on the other topic, but your post is so off -I feel I must address it.
“There was no evidence? The girl testified that he molested her. She had gone to a social worker because she was having problems. She didn’t snitch right away. It took the social worker many hours of therapy to get it out of her. She also underwent a full psychiatric evaluation which determined that she had gone through a severe emotional trauma relating to abuse.”
Well, who said it was him? They have a video of the boyfriend doing things with her. He/she vowed revenge on Weberman for exposing them and trying to have him arrested.
“You want halachic evidence, with 2 witnesses who saw the actual act? You won’t find it. Bus this isn’t a beis din, this is an American court. They have the right, according to the Torah, to set their own rules and laws, and we are required to follow them.”
Your Am Haarotzos is appalling. No, they don’t have the right to set their own rules and laws according to the Torah. According to the Torah they can only accept evidence by a witness. It doesn’t have to be two like by Jews, but it does have to be one witness.
“and we are required to follow them”
No, they don’t have Jurisdiction over Jews.
“You say it’s anti-semitism? Why, because he was found guilty? That’s the old battle-cry of many Jews whenever they’re caught doing something wrong.”
It wasn’t just Antisemitism, but no middle aged man has a chance against the testimony of a young girl with an emotional Jury -Poor Girl.
“The guy did something wrong, and he was caught. End of story. How are you so sure he was set up? What do you know about the case?”
Prove it! It was a very poor circumstantial case.
“There were other victims who came forward, but were scared to testify.”
If true they have the right to testify against him in a court of law. Until they are subjected to cross-examination – this means nothing.
“The victim and her family were offered a bribe of half a million dollars to leave the country and drop the case.”
They should have taken the money. Now they will get nothing, even though they will win a law suit against him. So why will they get nothing? Because he will declare bankruptcy because I doubt he has any money. But maybe she can write a book like D. Feldman and go on all the talk shows, but that won’t come near 500 Grand. Her revenge will make her an overnite sensation, but soon she will be poor Goy like most Americans who can’t make ends meet. If he’s guilty, which I doubt so far, the verdict is good for the community, but she got nothing out of it. At least 500 Grand – you take it with you to the bank.
“Chassidim were arrested for taking pictures of her in court (which is illegal) and posting them online. Never mind that the Satmar Rebbe the internet is 100% assur. They posted the pictures to harass her! Why all the harassment? They were obviously trying to hide something.”
Maybe they believe he is innocent. I personally don’t know either way, but maybe it bothers them when an innocent man is being framed like that. Oh yea, that’s right, you were there – so noone could actually know him well enough and believe him when he says he’s innocent. Framing s/o is good reason to get harassed.
himiss -“Which health insurances cater to the Frum community?”
No such thing; but a lot Frum people are on Medicaid which nowadays let you/force you to be in a HMO! They give you a few choices. The Frum people choose the one that their health care provider accepts.
Mammele -“As far as I heard, the guy was provoked by R’ Nochum coming into his store telling him “your father is next” (after weberman). I don’t know if it’s true, but it wasn’t a planned attack. I don’t condone it, but it paints a different picture. (The guy presumably uses bleach to disinfect in his store.) And he’s actually defaming a witness on his hotline, it’s not only “potential witnesses”.”
Yes, I read this too. So people there are two sides to every story. And the reason he was thrown out of Shuls because he supposedly is very explicit about molestation on his radio show which most people hold is Ossur to do.
Sometimes when you go overboard for a cause it’s because you really don’t care about the cause – you’re really just advocating for yourself. Ever hear of Al Sharpton?
DaasYochid -“Health, aside from the valid objections which I raised on that thread, your idea would throw single women above a certain age under the bus.”
You must not have understood me over there. I don’t believe in forcing anybody to do anything. Just like the Org. wants to have guys marry girls the same age, which I don’t personally have anything against, but I don’t see how this will solve anything if the problem is that there are more girls born than boys. It might alleviate some of it, but not solve it. My solution basically almost totally solves the problem. Go over there for details.
Like I was saying this Org. doesn’t force anyone to do anything, but they try persuasion and getting Rabbis to agree with it & push it, etc.
But what they did is that they made an awareness that you can marry s/o the same age. So that is what I’m trying to do, make an awareness that a single girl, even never married, can marry a much older guy whether never married, divorced or widowed. It shouldn’t be a Stigma. It should be something they should consider because the time clock is ticking. Right now I’ve seen women/girls that are/were good quality being picky and not going out with this type or that. And then what happenned was that they got too old and almost noone wants to go out with them because they can’t have kids.
BSD -“Although there was no forensic evidence, the circumstantial evidence is suggestive. Establishing a court system is one of the 7 mitsvos bnei noach.”
Stop with the Tzidkus of the Goyim already. Part of those 7 Mitzvos is that they have no jurisdiction over Yidden.
“There are issues that upset people-yidden and goyim alike. It does not reflect well that he did not have a license, his office was in his house rather then in a professional office(and he admits that he kept a bed in the office), she did not have a choice-neither about going to counseling in general nor about choosing Weberman in particular. The menahel decides which girls must go to counseling on threat of expulsion, and they dictate which therapist they must go to. Weberman is a first cousin to the menahel. They must give $12,000 up front. This presents itself as bullying, and would upset anybody.”
I grant you these are all problems, including the taking of Tzedaka money to purchase women’s undergarments. But e/o knows he wasn’t on trial for these things. He was on trial for molestation and nothing I’ve seen so far is even close to a “smoking gun” that makes the circumstantial evidence against him very strong.
chalilavchas -“I just spoke to a very choshuv person who has reliable information that the DA’s office has knowledge of 4 OTHER Weberman victims who spoke to them, but theyre not at liberty to divulge the names.”
As far as I’m concerned, until they get up on the witness stand and are cross-examined – their claims mean nothing. I’m not saying he’s innocent, but with the some legal knowledge that I posess, I wonder why the DA took this to trial without waiting for others to join along. The answer is simple, he knew the Jury would convict the Guy. Why? Forget about that he’s Frum, Juries almost always go after their emotions. The DA didn’t think for a second that a Middle Aged man would be believed over a young girl – in a case of – he says -she says – Poor Girl.
The fact that he was convicted on such a minute amount of circumstantial evidence and we have many cases of murderers let go even when there is much more evidence shows the failure of the Jury system.
Syag Lchochma -“Tell it to me, and I will tell you if its Loshon Hara”
Yes, speaking bad about Weberman is LH!
“All those who say he is innocent – If you say that we don’t have proof and shouldn’t call him guilty, I will agree, as long as you don’t call him innocent either.”
As a matter of fact, I don’t think he is guilty or innocent. They never proved their case. If they would have brought even one other victim -then I’d agree that he is guilty.
Innocent until proven guilty doesn’t apply in this country where e/o judging it up is bias.
uneeq -“Check out Rain Tree. It’s in Lakewood but without the quirks.”
So you or s/o you know lives in Raintree? I don’t live that far away. But Raintree is Ok, but I wouldn’t consider it Modern though.
The other side of the lake near R’ Gissinger’s Shul is more modern.
myls87 -“Thank you all for the replies. Passaic or Clifton seems to be over an hour drive. My ideal scenario would be somewhere near Lakewood to cut the commute time as I currently live in Brooklyn now”
Manalapan is 20 minutes from Lakewood and is a BT and/or MO community.
janetldd57 -You must be kidding. ALMOST all the Jews there are Sefardim. Well I guess he could be a Sefardi.
shmendrick – “Follow carefully:
2. If one makes kiddush after plag is it shabbos for him? Yes.
3. Is there an issur melacha after making kiddush mi’beod yom? Yes.
4. Is saying “good shabbos” (once it is time to make kiddush) a kiddush? Yes.
5. Hence, saying “good shabbos” = kiddush, after plag, makes an issur melacha.”
Wow, I’m actually amazed at myself that I figured out your train of thought. I posted this above before your post now:
“shmendrick – After thinking it over -I’m begining to understand how you or your friend who fed you this got lost. It probably went like this – saying “Good Shabbos” is making Kiddush, once you made Kiddush you accepted Shabbos.”
And to that I answered:
“Nope -saying “Good Shabbos” is Not making Kiddush; just R’ A. Eiger had a Sofek if you were Yotzay Kiddush D’oraysa by saying “Good Shabbos”. It works only forwards, not backwards.”
But Shmendrick keep it up – I’m sure you’re fooling many people with your “Toras Emes”. It’s good to know that I live in the same town as such “Big Talmeidey Chachamim”!
Loyal Jew – I just thought of something. Let’s say you tried a male therapist and it didn’t work and you tried them all -do you think you should stay with your mental illness like depression or do you think you should go to a female therapist? It’s Ossur to be depressed so I don’t think s/o should remain this way.
I never advocated just picking up and going to an opposite gender therapist – my beef was with those who posted Ossur no matter what. If you need to go to an opposite gender therapist, by all means ask your Rov how to go about it. Nothing is clear cut -one way or the other.
HaLeiVi -“But you are forgetting that there is a reason why saying Gut Shabbos can be considered Kiddush. It’s not magic.
When you say Gut Shabbos, on Shabbos, you are acknowleging the Kedushas Hayom. When you are actually not acknowledging anything, then it is not Kiddush.”
You’re wasting your time. He makes things up to coincide with his beliefs. I mentioned this already many times that a Kabbalah needs Daas and saying something like Good Shabbos when he still is planning on doing Melacha obviously he had no Daas. That it needs Daas is obvious to anybody who picked up a S’A on Hilchos Shabbos. He is also a liar. Even if you say the R’ A. Eiger held that it works against your will which you have no reason to even think this way, R’ A. Eiger is Mesufak whether this works on Kiddush. So let’s say that R’ A. Eiger held for sure, not a Sofek, even against one’s will saying Good Shabbos is Mekabel Shabbos -there still is no reason to refrain from saying Good Shabbos on Fri. because the Biur Halacha clearly doesn’t hold of this.
Maybe you can say the reason why some have this Chumra is because of Maaras Ayin. It’s 10 minutes to Shkia and you wish s/o a Good Shabbos and then you get in your car to drive to Shul.
Am Haaretzim might think you’re allowed to drive on Shabbos because he said Good Shabbos and then drove or doing any Melacha -(driving was just an example). Otherwise I can see no reason to have this “Chumra”!