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JayMatt, the CR main page will typically show the oldest approved message as “last poster” – when more than one post is posted simultaneously by the mods.
Jothar, a) Yasher koach. b) In essence (it seems to me) we agree more often then not (perhaps though we talk more about the nots, that the agreed) c) “my” sources are not mine, but from others who shared them or taught them to me.
‘welcome.
lakewoodwife – The topics-only feed is supposed to only give new topics/threads first post, but I too noticed it is not perfect. Nevertheless, it won’t give you EVERY post (far from it), but sometimes it seems to think if an old thread is revived – it looks at it as new thread again. A bit odd, but generally it’ll get the new threads, with a little bit of some other stuff that technically shouldn’t show up.
The other feed is supposed to give you all posts in all threads. It is pretty reliable, but I noticed if the mods do a large update at once after a long pause (it seems) it may miss a few posts. (The technical reason seems to be the RSS feed only hold X number of posts at once – seems to be 32, but it may be 50.)
gavra, I’ll have to double-check. Yasher Koach!
Doesn’t the Baraisa on 80a state that if a Ger inherited dogs, he need not sell them all immediately, but that he can sell them one by one? The Prishah says that the Beraisa discusses a convert, for it is uncommon that a Yisroel would violate the Chachamim’s enactment against dogs, but that if he did, the same applies (his heir need not sell them all immediately). The Baraisa on 83a says that a dog could only be raised near the border of a city? And R’ Eliezer HaGadol says that raising dogs is like raising pigs and teaches that one who does so is cursed.
R Yosef says in Avodah Zarah 22b that an almonah may not keep a dog. The Yam Shel Shlomo 7:45 says that an almonah may not raise a Kelev Kufri, (it is small and doesn’t bark), which is the only kind of kelev anyone can raise. Rambam (Hilchos Nizkei Mamon 5:9)says that the Chachamim forbade to raise dogs because their damage is great and common.
But the Mishneh Halachos (5:296) states that the permissability of raising a dog depends on the time, place and person. If a person is rich, thieves come with intent to kill or be killed – so he can raise one.
No dogs:
Kesef Mishna brings the Gemora supporting the Rambam in Mesechtes Bava Kama 15:2 not to have a dog in your house.
and Rambam Hilchos Talmud Torah 6:14, and Hilchos Nizkei Mamon 5:9, Chazon Ish on Choshen Mishpat Likutim 18:9.
BasYisroel, It was said over that the Rebbe insisted on 2, while Rav Bick insisted on 8. (Not “at least 8-10”.)
102030 – Also check out http://www.hostip.info to figure out which city the ip is from.
i use it too all the time!!! makes me smile every time!!!
asdf – I always thought of you as having a permanent smile etched into your face.
E-Mail sent out today by the Chofetz Chaim Heritage Foundation:
Three young bochorim, on a promise of a free trip to daven in Lejensk, delivered a package to Japan – NOT KNOWING that a seemingly frum man would put their lives in danger by making them the transporters of illegal merchandise. And were caught and imprisoned.
Japan punishes their prisoners in a most harsh manner.
The boys sit in separate, tiny cells, with no beds, no sunlight, no human interaction, no connection to the world for a day, another day of solitude, another 24 hours of loneliness, on and on and on…
It’s been 11 MONTHS with no end in sight.
Yoel Zev ben Mirel Rissa Chava
Yaakov Yosef ben Raizel
Yosef ben Itta Rivka
NEED OUR TEFILLOS!!
Don’t forget them!
Don’t forget about Yossi, the youngest, who was not even eighteen when he arrived in Japan. Alone in his cell, without nary a chair, without enough room to stretch his legs, the thin blanket to sleep on taken away every morning. Yossi, who looks forward desperately to his haircut every 2 weeks so he can see another human being, whose skin is shriveling, whom those involved declare that it’s a miracle that he is still sane, who hasn’t seen his family in half a year. Yossi, who doesn’t know if he has any hope for a future…
It is up to us, to Klal Yisrael’s tefillos, to save them!
NOW is the time to start being more careful in Shmiras Halashon as a Zchus for our suffering brothers.
And don’t forget to keep davening for their yeshua every day!!!!!!
lakewoodwife,
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/rss/topics
This will just display new topics. (The first post on new threads.)
To get the full CR RSS Feed:
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/rss/
That will show you every post in all threads.
If anyone wants to learn about RSS, see http://reader.google.com (or you can use http://www.google.com/ig like lakewoodwife does.)
102030: Go to arin.net
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elephant
ames, pardon my silliness, but since when is shopping supposed to be “fun”?
cantoresq, you missed Yiskay’s point that you are painting with a broad brush.
Every so often meaning Sarah was not a frequent poster. But missed nevertheless.
We used to see (every so often) a very informative comment by Sarah; this has been lacking for a while…
I believe the main issur is formally teaching Gemora to them. (As in a class, as opposed to an exceptional yochid. The ???”?, Tuv Ayin, 4 holds such a yochid can be taught [not sure if its referring to baal peh in general or even Gemorah]. But others disagree with the ???”?, saying even a yochid shouldn’t learn it.)
Is Rav Nosson considered part of the Chareidi world or the YU world? YU has their own liberalized shittos, as classes teaching women Gemorah. (Which has no source prior to Rav Yosef B. Soloveitchek.)
asdf, are you qwerty’s attorney?
I must be 1 in 100.
noitallmr, Rest easy, as I haven’t seen any posts recently by noitallmrs.
Mishpatim
One of the longest Torah portions, containing 23 positive commandments and 30 negative precepts. Included are laws regarding: the Hebrew manservant and maidservant, manslaughter, murder, injuring a parent, kidnapping, cursing a parent, personal injury, penalty for killing a slave, personal damages, injury to slaves, categories of damages and compensatory restitution, culpability for personal property damage, seduction, occult practices, idolatry, oppression of widows, children and orphans.
The parsha continues with the laws of: lending money, not cursing judges or leaders, tithes, first-born sons, justice, returning strayed animals, assisting the unloading of an animal fallen under its load, Sabbatical year, Shabbos, the Three Festivals (Pesach, Shavuos & Succos).
Mishpatim concludes with the promise from Hashem to lead us into the Land of Israel, safeguard our journey, ensure the demise of our enemies and guarantee our safety in the land — if we uphold the Torah and do the Mitzvos. Moshe makes preparations for himself and for the people and then ascends Har Sinai to receive the Ten Commandments.
Bava Basra 10a
Turnusrufus, the rasha, asked Rabbi Akiva, “If your God loves the poor, why doesn’t he support them?”
“In order that we should be saved from Gehennom by giving them charity,” replied Rabbi Akiva.
“Just the opposite,” said Turnusrufus. “This will make you deserve Gehennom. I will give you a parable. A mortal king grew angry at his servant. The king had the servant bound in prison and ordered that no one give him food or drink. A certain man went and gave him food. When the king hears about this how will he react? Won’t he be angry? And you are called servants, as it is stated, ‘For Me the Children of Israel are servants’ (Vayikra 25:55).”
Rabbi Akiva responded, “I will give you a parable. A mortal king grew angry at his son. The king had his son bound in prison and ordered that no one give him food or drink. A certain man went and gave him food. When the king hears about this, how will he react? Won’t he send him presents? And we are called children, as it is written, ‘You are children of the Lord, your God’ (Devorim 14:1).”
By a Gabbai Tzeddaka. But if you are in doubt, you can call any one of them. Most of them (I believe) are not difficult to reach.
Yes, in fact call any of them if you are in doubt.
striving, Kol Hakvod and Hatzlocho Rabbah. You have a true Yiddishe Neshomo.
striving, Kol Hakvod and Hatzlocho Rabbah. You have a true Yiddishe Neshomo.
Partial list of Gedolei Yisroel Shlita who are personally raising funds and are involved in the Pidyun Shvuyim rescue efforts:
Rav Ahron Schecter, Rosh Yeshiva Chaim Berlin
Satmar Rebbe
Rav Malkiel Kotler, Rosh Yeshiva Lakewood
Novominsker Rebbe
Rav Osher Kamlmanowitz, Rosh Yeshiva Mir
etc. etc. etc.
Don’t the Bais Yaakov’s prohibit makeup?
teenager, try starting a new thread.
cherrybim, the only think that I can make out of your comments is that you don’t like the way the Gedolim act.
My Yarlmulka once blew overboard on the Circle Line. One of the crew members gave me a Circle Line crew hat (and let me keep it!)
ames,
Thanks for sharing that story. That story alone debunks the very-long-dating-is-good myth. Au contraire. It brings up so many problems, both during the engagement and after the marriage.
(Long engagements are only good if the Choson and Kallah don’t see each other much during the engagement.)
cherrybim,
1. All I can tell you is some of the biggest Gedolim are working yomin v’layla behind the scenes to secure these bochorim’s freedom. Behind the scenes, by definition, leaves no public documentation. Nor should it.
2. Askanim are raising money for Rabbeim’s salaries.
I would venture to say that even the Satmar Rebbe ZTV’L wouldn’t complain about non-Chasidisha Kehilos engaging in long-dating (i.e. about 8 dates.)
But for the Kehilos that hold of short-dating (i.e. 2 dates), clearly it has been working well for them, plus historically Klal Yisroel until approximately 100 years ago, never had a long shidduch dating system (i.e. 8 dates.) And it surely worked well for Klal Yisroel for many thousands of years, and it still working well for the Kehilos that maintain this tradition.
In fact, traditionally parents would make shidduchim between themselves and let their children know who they will be marrying. And guess what? It worked! In fact, it worked much better than our dating system. I don’t think anyone is advocating that approach for everyone (although some segments of Klal Yisroel use it ad hayom hazeh), but do respect those who maintain it.
syrian, noitall was being facetious.
WB teenager.
nice pshat ames.
2 has been said to sufficient by some Rabbonim, while other Rabbonim think it should be 8.
The Gemorah in Pesachim 49 list the order of priority when looking for a wife. A man should seek the daughter of… (in order of preference):
Talmid Chochom
Person of Great Deeds
???? ??????
???? ????
Teacher of Children
TO FIND A WIFE, CHECK OUT HER BROTHERS!
In Parshas Vaera we find a source for a halacha involving family influence. The Torah writes: “???? ???? ?? ?????? ?? ?????? ???? ????? ?? ????” “and Aharon took Elisheva the daughter of Aminadav, the sister of Nachson to him as a wife” (Shmos 6:23). The Gemara asks: “by implication from the fact that the verse says Elisheva was the daughter of Aminadav, do I not know that she was the sister of Nachshon? For what purpose, then, does Scripture state that she was the sister of Nachshon? From here we are to derive that one who seeks to marry a woman ought first to examine the character of her brothers” (Bava Basra 110a). Rashi explains that the children will bear a resemblance to the mother’s brothers. If a person marries a woman with a brother of the caliber of Nachshon ben Aminadav there is greater chance that his children will become tzaddikim.
This does not preclude children with less than righteous uncles from becoming tzaddikim. The classic example of this is Yitzchak who married Rivka. Her brother, Lavan, was far from a tzaddik, yet their son turned out to be Yaakov Avinu. Nevertheless, the Gemara is telling us that when a person searches for a wife, he should consider who her brothers are and her family background.
MARRY THE WIFE OF A TALMID CHACHAM!
The Brisker Rav zt”l said first and foremost one should check the Yiras Shamayim of the woman herself ? does she have a love of Torah, does she have good middos, etc. Although Chazal speak of the great advantage of marrying the daughter of a talmid chacham, it is not possible for everyone to find such a woman, there simply are not enough talmidei chachamim to go around. We must, however, be insistent on marrying the wife of a talmid chacham!
FAMILY LEGACIES
All things considered, it is important to marry into a good family, as we find in the Gemara: “let one always cleave to righteous people (marry into a righteous family) for, on the one hand we have Moshe Rabeinu who married the daughter of Yisro and we find that Yehonasan, an idolatrous priest, descended from him. And on the other hand we have Aharon who married the daughter of Aminadav and we find that Pinchas descended from him” (Bava Basra 109b). The Gemara then asks, but did Pinchas not also descend from Yisro, for it is written ‘and Elazar the son of Aharon, took for himself a wife from the daughters of Putiel’ (Shmos 6:25)”. The Gemara explains that the name Putiel can refer either to Yisro or to Yoseph and that in fact one of Pinchas’ grandparents from his mother’s side descended from Yisro and the other from Yoseph. Moshe’s wife, on the other hand, descended solely from a family that had worshipped avoda zara.
We know that Yitro himself was a tzaddik who became a ger tzedek and greatly assisted Moshe Rabenu, and great tzaddikim descended from him, such as Yael who killed Sisra. In the book of Melachim we read that Yehonadav ben Rechav descended from the family of Yisro. Yehonadav was greatly praised by Hashem in the book of Yirmiyahu for having children who heeded their father’s commands. Many other tzaddikim descended from Yisro, and as we mentioned he himself was a great tzaddik, however, his former years as a priest to avoda zara seemed to have a negative influence on his descendants, to the extent that even Moshe Rabeinu had a grandson who worshipped avoda zara.
Of course a good family is no guarantee, for we find that even the best families have offspring they are not very proud of. Chazal tell us “not until three generations had passed was the impurity removed from our forefathers. For we see that Avraham sired Yishmael, Yitzchak sired Esav, but Yaakov sired the twelve tribes in whom there was no aberration” (Shabbos 146a). We see that even the holy forefathers required three generations to purify themselves.
The fact that a man should try to choose a wife from a family with Torah and yiras Shamayim obligates each of us to strive to reach higher levels of yiras Shamayim. A person’s actions affect not only himself but his descendants as well. We all exist in the merit of Avraham, Yitzchak, and Yaakov and we would not be here today had they not been such great tzaddikim. It is therefore imperative that we work on ourselves so that our children have what to inherit from their parents and grandparents providing them with a greater chance to succeed.
Dovid HaMelech, patriarch of the Davidic dynasty, father of the Moshiach, was one of the biggest tzaddikim in history. The Gemara tells us that he made one mistake which cost him dearly. When he escaped from Shaul HaMelech, he fled to Nov Ir HaKohanim, home of the Mishkan, and asked to be fed. They gave him bread which angered Shaul who then destroyed the entire city and only one Kohen survived. Chazal indirectly blame Dovid for the massacre and as a result years later the wicked Queen Atalia killed the royal family with the exception of King Yehoash who was saved by his aunt. Although Hashem had another reason to punish the city of Nov, for the sins of the sons of Eli, Dovid was also partly responsible for the massacre and as a result was accountable for the killing of many of his descendants as well.
JayMatt,
Speculating, it seems to me that perhaps it is worse when a girl goes off compared to a guy. To use one example, if both a guy and a girl go off in the worst way, hamavin yovin, the girl is more permanently affected (not at all to discount how a guy is affected) to the extent it changes her future kesuba. I think it may play out similarly perhaps with other issues as well.
This is just a personal thought; not certain as to its accuracy. Any thoughts?
WB ames!
squeak, You can always use the password reset, if you forget.
Are you h2, the one post pony? Did you change your writing style with your tease pseudonym?
yossiea, if “physical attraction has to be number 1 on the list” you’ll end up with a beautiful monster.
So the machlokes is whether to date short (i.e. 2 dates) or to date long (i.e. 8 dates.)
cherrybim, nowhere in our conversation have we been discussing jail conditions. We have been discussing them being jailed altogether.
Also, the only thing the Gedolim need from the general Klal is Tefilla. The rest they do, as they typically do when possible, behind the scenes. And the askanim are raising the money from the klal (and the very extensive expenses so far have b’h been met.)
Btw, I would trust a non-journalist a lot quicker than a journalist. Especially one from the Jewish Press.
A Bas Talmid Chochom, say Chazal, is one of the attributes to seek when looking for a wife. [Gemara in Pesachim (49a)]
If you’ve seen more “authoritative” sources surely you shouldn’t have any trouble sharing and directing us to these “authoritative” sources. Any why you’re (temporary) mea culpa if you’ve seen authoritative sources otherwise? A person is presumed innocent.
The Gedolim, as a rule, work behind the scenes. You can be assured there are many Gedolim involved, in addition to the ones listed in the aforementioned article.
The money is coming from Achenu Bnei Yisroel, who are elated to participate in the mitzvah rabba of pidyun shvuyim.
cherrybim, see this article reprinted from the JP (certainly far from being a right-wing paper):
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/General+News/30318/Nightmare+For+The+Bochrim+In+Japan….html
It is wrong to be “extremely” important. It should be far after bas talmid chochom, middos, etc. etc.
It seems to be Shidduch season in the CR.
Green, like $.
Thank you oomis. I will pass on your wisdom to the Gedolim that insist on short dating and advise them that you feel otherwise. I will tell them that despite how well the system has worked and is working, oomis from the CR insists that since Obama is Prez, “change” must be implemented. Is there a # the Gedolim can reach you if they still disagree with your chochma?
You can also correct Dr. Respler from the errors of her research.