Speaking of which, did anyone spot the picture in the Zman article which was actually not of Anonymous, but of something else that should’ve been mentioned in the article and wasn’t, and the image captioned as an Anonymous ad which actually was made to make fun of Anonymous?

So, how about that Coffee Room meetup? If enough of us come,

I think we should be able to maintain anonymity. Well, at

least if we don’t talk to each other…

the little I know:

(You assume that both rebbi and talmid are at equal fault here.)

Would you argue with this? – “This talmid has no obligation to wait for the rebbi to do so first.”

Or: On what basis do you insist to the talmid that he not go first?

Is “the expectation that the other has the obligation to give kavod and therefore must humble himself” really a “purely ignorant” “exploit[ation of] honor?”

You’re not even talking about the rebbi not apologizing at all,

only him not going first. What’s the big deal?

Please quote me instances from Chazal of a rebbi humbling himself

before his talmid, seeing as you believe this to be the correct practice…

You appear not to take the rebbi’s pride into account, which does not seem sensible. It’s well and good for you to argue your opinion, but what’s going to happen? Who has more face to save here?

The power thing is also irrelevant. Does the weaker one always need to bow in submission to the bully? What a bizayon!

Yes, it’s such a bizayon that the powerful are powerful, and the weak are not… I’m being sarcastic, of course. At the end of the day, for whom does it pay to be in the other’s good graces?

Consider: Which side are we talking to, and whose obligations are you focusing on?

As it turns out, more people use “pills” than “pill” in the phrase.

I actually only came across one of the books recently (it wasn’t that one), and wasn’t impressed. I wonder if Popa’s read them? 🙂

A “drift pan” appears to be a place to practice “drifting,”

but not a part of your average road, and

“build a wall” appears to be a paragliding term.

crazybrit:

While I did come across this thread while going through

a poster’s history, I don’t think that’s stalking.

(It wasn’t you.)

crazybrit:

I take it back, I guess? Now, how about you answer him?

I think he has a good question: “??? :-)”

northwardb:

Bold text in a post, especially at the end, often indicates that it has been altered by a moderator. In this case, the moderator who directed the words you quote towards Crazybrit left part of the original post up in a manner confusing to new readers.

“When calamity befalls the Jewish People we ought to say…”

“Perhaps we should take David Hamelech’s advice…”

Perhaps. But Hashem did not tell us that calamities would befall

us for reasons that we would not understand. He did tell us, however, that they would happen as a result of our sins.

After all, why leave something explainable up to faith,

especially if there is a lesson that may be learned?

Now, Rav Miller himself did not publish the book, although

I assume he did not leave any instruction not to, but he did

not confine his opinion on the matter to that manuscript.

I will b’li neder post my understanding of his opinion later.

Popa is the badchan here. You should not take anything he says

seriously unless it is either 1) about halacha or 2) believable and sensible. Otherwise, it is only a joke.

I don’t think he’s joking here, though.

People might be better able to advise you if

you told them what degree you want to get.

The way I know what people are thinking sometimes is

that it’s obvious from what they’re saying.

Actually, though, Popa might just not have cared

if RebYidd really thought the same thing or not.

(Also, this.

http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/rav-millers-ten-commandments-of-marriage#post-547717 )

Sigh…

The menahel may feel that it is not appropriate for a student to talk back to a rebbi, regardless of circumstance. (It’s certainly not a student’s place to make a judgment about whether a rebbi deserves his position or the respect due one in that position.)

Whether it is reasonable to expect of a verbally abused

student not to respond is a different matter. Those who

“hear their shame but do not answer” are considered to be

on a high level…

So, I would say that your son should apologize, assuming he is willing.

This will get him back into class without further conflict.

Once that is achieved, if there is a problem with the way the rebbi addresses your son, go ahead and take it up with the menahel,

but I think it would be best not to mix the two issues

if possible (or, if you already think of it as one issue, to split it).

1.

If we identify Jews with Hashem (“Yisrael v’Oraisa v’Kudsha B’rich Hu chad hu”), then Hashem would not tell someone to hate Him/Jews.

2.

Little Froggie:

By “(by siding with our murder[er]s – FOR THAT PURPOSE),” you surely don’t mean the purpose of murdering Jews?

3.

RebYidd, you beat me to saying something again!

( http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/westboro-baptist-church/page/6#post-547779 )

4.

Look, everyone, Voos Epes has declared himself young and (presumably) sheltered. Do you really think you’re going to convince him? (Are you doing this just for fun, seeing as there’s not much going on on the CR?)

5.

voos epes:

“Ignorance is bliss,” but it’s ignorance (in Torah, “amaratzus”) all the same. Like they say in Hebrew, “Yosif da’as, yosif mach’ov.” The Kotzker said that we have to increase our da’as, even if this causes us pain.

Anyway, does Yeshiva Bnai Yoel Satmar teach that quotation marks

can be used to show that you don’t think of what you’re talking about as real? What about the saying “Ignorance is bliss” – do they teach that?

6.

P.S. RebYidd23 was asking jokingly if “ignorance is bliss” refers even to “the difference between ‘then’ and ‘than’.” (I’m just noting this because it’s been both misunderstood and misattributed.)

Syag Lchochma: Chochom-ibber – that was a pretty rude post.

[…] You must be yeshivish.

Yes, your post couldn’t possibly have offended anyone, eh?

(Should I have assumed

“totally not fitting in with the more appropriate, thoughtful comments”

to also reflect your attitude toward yeshivish people?)

Or am I totally-off base? Was your last sentence sarcastic, and intended as satire of his rudeness? It’s a possibility…

PAA:

I think I just found a way to express sarcasm without an emoticon.

My family uses full cups of oil without water in straight-walled glass cups every Chanukah, with the (non-floating) wicks in metal holders. We have had no trouble.

(I think Flatbush Mother meant to write that the oil should

be “pure, not mixed,” not “mixed, not pure.”)

The Goq™:

He might come in for an hour or two so that the store can

be open, then go to davening after other workers arrive.

CrazybrIt:

I think you should re-read the post you’re asking about.

(And that’s not my name.)

ivory:

His point was that just as people can use computers despite not understanding the text (code) that lies under the surface, so can they learn Gemara despite not understanding the actual text itself, so they don’t need to be able to read it.

If that didn’t make any sense, it’s because

he was indeed leg-pulling, as usual.

The idea that Hashem’s prophecies don’t absolve our enemies is actually not at all a simple one. See the fifth and sixth chapters of the Rambam’s Hilchos Teshuva, with the Raavad.

northwardb:

When calamity befalls the Jewish People,

to what else might it be attributed?

BarryLS1:

Please post a source for the concept. Also, do you

count years starting with the first posuk, and,

more specifically, which posuk did you quote from?

Synthetic shtreimels are available nowadays for much lower prices than those discussed above, and they are not opposed by gedolim (as far as I know).

wehave…:

I don’t think halacha includes a maximum amount one

may spend on one’s wardrobe or any item in it. Generally,

fancy clothing is spoken about in the context of middos.

(Also, the Kitzur Shulchan Aruch is not the last word in halocho.)

barlev:

Ah, yes, it’s a shame the heilige zachen had to wait

until so recently for us to take advantage of them.

You would think Moshe Rabbenu… oh, right! 🙂

Actually, does anyone know when Yerushalmim started wearing them?

Letakein Girl:

What makes the ability to affect your emotions a problem?

(Are any “negative” emotions caused by music, such

as the example you gave of anger, “real?”)

Music affects your emotions, and emotions affect your spiritual state. However, those emotional effects are temporary, perhaps even momentary – perhaps the spiritual effects, if any, also are?

Your personal feelings about non-Jewish singers are arguably admirable [that’s a positive statement 🙂 ], but cannot be used as an explanation of why listening to non-Jewish music is objectively wrong.

Healthcrazy:

You didn’t answer the questions, so I’ll ask again:

Even after everything you’ve said (I’ll talk about that too), would you say that even when (according to you) most BY girls have probably listened to non-Jewish music, it says more about a girl than what seminary she went to, which you don’t think should

matter so much?

And what was that about “girls who did the right thing looking worse?”

As for your points about music (I wrote this before LFS posted):

A. You don’t have to give them money to listen to them on the radio, online, or via illegal downloads (though I don’t know if those are muttar either).

B. I challenge you to name something else that we don’t take from

non-Jews so that we don’t come to admire the one who makes it.

(I’m not sure about that issur. “Lo sitein lahem chein” does mean that you are not allowed to say anything admiring about them, but even this must have limits – the Chachamim used Dama ben Nesina as an example of Kibud Av.)

C. I think people listen to music for different reasons, and non-Jewish music is generally better suited to those listening for some reasons. (This has to do with the “system” that produces the music, and in fact, the non-Jewish music that comes from the same type of system that most Jewish music does is also not well-suited to those listeners.)

Also, some types of music in fact don’t really exist in the Jewish music world, or there’s not nearly as large a variety of them as there is in the non-Jewish world.

It seems that for Popa, it’s always February.

http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/bjj-letter-came-im-in#post-507331