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  • in reply to: Censership and conformity #2512673
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    Somejewiknow@gmail.com.Except that everytime you try to carpamentalize humans your going against a moral value that is written in the Torah:
    Treat others as you treat yourself.
    Stop making things a deeper devide because of some psedo ideology.

    in reply to: Censership and conformity #2512674
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    Querty are you blind. I think you are and frankly it you can’t see sense for what it is. Then it’s ok we don’t need to discuss things thanks

    in reply to: Sheitels – Can we stop the madness ? #2512146
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    “she showed up on a different thread” “she should be ignored”
    Wow your just a bunch of rude people…wow

    in reply to: What will it take for the frum community to stop supporting ICE? #2512145
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    Everybody should have red hair cuz I have red hair. Doesn’t work in real life.

    in reply to: Gashmiyus and Lavish Simchas (again) Where are our Gedolim? #2512144
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    You shouldn’t be asking. Where is our gedolom you should be asking why you don’t use your own free will to stay in your own budget and mindset of what you can afford.
    All of you bashing me for talking about conformity and how far from realistic living we’ve become. This is exhibit A

    in reply to: Are we better than the Chofetz Chaim? – Saving Money #2512143
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    Maybe y’all can call it the curse of conformity

    in reply to: Censership and conformity #2511749
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    This is exactly what you guys are doing right now: so maybe educate yourselves

    The “us versus them” mentality is a cognitive bias where individuals divide the social world into an in-group (“us”) and an out-group (“them”), fostering loyalty to the former and prejudice against the latter. This mindset, rooted in tribalism and social identity theory, often causes oversimplification, intense conflict, discrimination, and a refusal to understand opposing views.
    Why the “Us vs. Them” Mentality is bad
    Encourages Discrimination & Conflict: It leads to viewing others as rivals, which can escalate into severe, long-term conflict.
    Inhibits Rational Thinking: People tend to, subconsciously, _ignore information that challenges their in-group’s narrative_ leading to distorted views and poor decision-making.
    Promotes Scapegoating: It provides an easy outlet for frustration, causing groups to blame “them” for complex problems.

    in reply to: Censership and conformity #2511748
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    All of you are very cute. Pushing away adversity cuz “gasp” how can we ever be wrong. Yet you refuse to see reality for what it is.
    We have a materialism problem
    An us versus them problem and many more problems. If I was wrong then fine. But I’m not wrong. So it’s ok stick your head in the sand. Call me names.
    It definitely makes the problem go away. How mature

    in reply to: Censership and conformity #2511747
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    Querty I “just” critisize. So your saying there’s no materialsim problem. That’s ok. Stay blind

    in reply to: Gashmiyus and Lavish Simchas (again) Where are our Gedolim? #2511399
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    I think your focusing too much on being led instead of being a leader yourself. Use your own free will to the benefit of yourself and those that contradict themsleves, well they have to live with that, don’t they

    in reply to: Are we better than the Chofetz Chaim? – Saving Money #2511306
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    Because we choose to conform. Lol.

    in reply to: Sheitels – Can we stop the madness ? #2511286
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    I didn’t accuse you also. I showed you and you refuse to see reality for what it is. You refuse to see wrongdoing where wrongdoing accured and because of that I really feel deeply your an irredeemable person. You cannot help or redeem someone who is absolutely not willing to see wrong action for what it is and I feel very sorry for you. This may reflect on everyone badly too cuz if your like that I wonder if everyone else is like that too. Maybe read your own post again and see for yourself what real bullying is. The entire post was bullying. It wasn’t a “question” how many lies are you ganna spew till you wakeup

    in reply to: Sheitels – Can we stop the madness ? #2511281
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    If your post isn’t bullying and you have no grasp of what bullying is then my post isn’t bullying either. And you can’t call me out on it lol

    in reply to: Sheitels – Can we stop the madness ? #2511278
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    I’m not being “pompous” by pointing out steieght up bullying. Querty calm down

    in reply to: Censership and conformity #2511280
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    Your problem is that you take real suffering of real people and think it’s an “affront” to judism. Even Jewish people arent perfect and if you can’t look honestly at a real situation happening before your eyes. Your either delusional, completely irredeemable as a person or you refuse to look clearly at reality cuz it hurts to much.

    in reply to: Sheitels – Can we stop the madness ? #2510996
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    Unfortunately your irredeemable and I feel sorry for you

    in reply to: Sheitels – Can we stop the madness ? #2510938
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    Are you slow?

    in reply to: Censership and conformity #2510918
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    My eyin tova is for people that deserve not a degrading socioty that’s losing its humanity

    in reply to: Censership and conformity #2510916
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    Yankel berel. Giving tzedakah is so you can pat yourself on the back that your a good person or that’s how you were raised but the real test is how you treat the poor person who can’t measure up to your impossible standards on a daily basis. And in that I think the entire community is failing. Just my observation

    in reply to: Censership and conformity #2510650
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    You don’t need to find a source but look at how people treat each other. I mean just look at shidduchim. I was watching a wedding and I can almost promise you the couple got married cuz they were wealthy. Or in the same “class” of wealth. they are in the same status so they “chose” each other. I saw alot of pride and excitement at “making it” like they are so “perfect”
    There’s a lot of this in how people treat each other especially around materialism. Try walking into a store in one of our communities not dressed in the latest outfits. People won’t treat you like a human being. It’s a an extremely cruel culture. And sometimes when people treat me personally with kindness I’m like wait I didn’t have to measure up to your impossible standards to be treated with decency. Wow

    in reply to: Censership and conformity #2510635
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    I don’t think this is inherently about judism but _humans_ are hampered by conformity. it creates a clique mentality that creates a more communistic way of thinking, shutting down dissent. Saying “we” think one way. “Your” not like us. It’s very imiture. Dialogue becomes something that is feared instead of respected. Carpamentlizing humans to us versus them mentality does not lead to maturity. Conformity is not praiseworthy. Being cliquey is not praiseworthy. It creates people who look down on others and find them “distasteful” cuz they think their better
    I think this is inherently why people have turned to materialism and created an extreme conformist socioty around that. Somewhere they don’t and or never learned the right values and lost their humanity along the way

    in reply to: Sheitels – Can we stop the madness ? #2510607
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    “Yay, we have a new Chabad fanatic to discuss things with! This thread is about to get completely derailed.
    Rebbetzin Yehudit Chana Chaya: why do you call the Luibavitcher Rebbe Hashem’s son, and with a capital S? Isn’t that a Christian belief? They believe Jesus was the son of God (obviously a huge error) – are you one of the Christian Chabadniks, who believes the Rebbe was divine, and you’re awaiting his second coming?”

    This is pure bullying. Stop lying to yourself

    in reply to: Sheitels – Can we stop the madness ? #2510444
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    Baruchlessin
    Sorry but your trying to change nature and reality and that doesn’t work. When you go out do you dress up to resresent yourself properly. Do you dress your best when you leave your house and then come home and dress down cuz your comfortable. That’s how all humanity works. Men and woman. It’s not realistic to tell woman not to dress up when they go out. As dressing up is how a woman represents herself to the world and how she is also accepted and respected among her peers. Woman also do not dress up for men in this _very_ segregated socioty but they dress up to fit in with their peers which has very strict social rules and it you don’t measure up. Your barely treated like a human. So….I understand you have a belief system and it “should” be one way but your viewpoint is completely unrealistic.

    in reply to: Sheitels – Can we stop the madness ? #2510443
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    I’m not siding with her. I’m saying it’s ok to disagree but to outright bully someone _and_ justify yourself. Wow

    in reply to: Sheitels – Can we stop the madness ? #2510442
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    Qwerty613
    It doesn’t matter what someone else believes you still need to treat them properly. Your using dogma as an excuse to bully which is showing that your entire uprining is a scam. Maybe practice what you and who you claim to represent

    in reply to: Censership and conformity #2510439
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    No I don’t think I was taking about you and lubavitch but on another thread a lubavitch said something and the comeback was rather harsh.

    in reply to: Censership and conformity #2510247
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    Ideology and groupthink deactivate individual morality by replacing personal ethical codes with a strong desire for group consensus and the belief that the group’s goals are inherently righteous. This pressure causes individuals to ignore ethical consequences, rationalize immoral actions, and silence their own doubts, leading to the belief that group harmony is more important than individual judgment.

    Illusion of Morality: Members convince themselves that the group’s actions are inherently right, allowing them to ignore the ethical consequences of their decisions.
    Pressure to Conform: Direct or indirect pressure is applied to anyone who challenges the group, forcing them to align with the majority to avoid being cast out.
    Self-Censorship: Individuals withhold their own moral objections or counterarguments to maintain harmony, fearing they are the only ones with doubts.
    Collective Rationalization: The group makes excuses for harmful actions, dismissing potential dangers or moral conflicts.
    Stereotyping Outsiders: The group views those outside their group as inferior or evil, making it easier to treat them unfairly.
    Ultimately, this process causes individuals to adopt a “mob mentality,” where loyalty to the group overrides personal conscience.

    in reply to: Sheitels – Can we stop the madness ? #2510243
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    Making fun of someone in a cruel manner. Making fun of their belief system just because you disagree with it is very low morally corrupt behavior. They have a right to not believe what you believe and your allowed to disagree but perhaps you should think about the fact that your talking to a human being with feelings who takes his own “religion” as seriosly as you do your own.

    in reply to: Sheitels – Can we stop the madness ? #2510242
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    Demoshe that’s a very cruel way to talk to someone. Just because you disagree doesn’t mean you have a right to be cruel and rude.
    I guess your religion doesn’t =morality is showing through. Your a fruad

    in reply to: Censership and conformity #2510241
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    Also the incessant bullying of chabad and thier belief system is moral contradiction to everything “we” believe. I also don’t agree with chabad but if you lose your humanity when it comes to treating people fairly even others that disagree with you. Your first of all very wrong. It’s wrong to bully people for their differences of _oppion_ then you. And also your contradicting your own religion by being rude about theirs. We don’t need to agree with everyone but we don’t have to resort to cruel behaviour when someone has a difference of oppion

    in reply to: Censership and conformity #2510231
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    Examples of censorship would be ideology with group think “this is how “we” think”
    We don’t all think alike and it’s not normal for everyone to have the same opinion nor is it normal to shut down dissenting oppinions just because its different then group think.
    Examples……would be exhibit a of this thread. I was called names because I litterlly posted about censorship. There’s something wrong with talking about censorship.
    The list of what Jewish people believe is also extreme thats all.
    “We need to believe this way” really?
    Since when does somebody else besides for myself tell me what I personally should or should not agree with. I don’t agree just because I need to. That’s called control not critical thinking

    in reply to: Sheitels – Can we stop the madness ? #2510182
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    Baruchlesin
    No I’m being realistic and saying no matter how much you try to control the narrative. Dressing up is important to woman. And your never going to change anything lol. It’s unrealistic to say they need to wear a burka which is literally what your saying in different words.

    in reply to: Censership and conformity #2510056
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    The point is people preach “conformity” and ‘group think” but their lived lives show that they don’t truly agree with it.

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    The problem is that your watching the news lol. This is about illegal immigrants not Jewish people.
    Illegals are here _illegally_
    And the fact that america is not a haven anymore that’s ok it was never meant to be. We are too comfortable here anyways.

    in reply to: Sheitels – Can we stop the madness ? #2510055
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    Apukorma you lost me at “show off” being a decent human being means remaining humble.
    Extreme wealth creates lots of problems
    Disconnect from basic hardship which makes people huaghty. Extreme social expectations for who’s on the in crowd making it harder for anyone to measure up to the status qoa. And a big one being cruel to the poor because of lack of humanity.
    That’s a big one.

    in reply to: Sheitels – Can we stop the madness ? #2509798
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    “it’s a grave sin for a man to be attracted to a married woman”
    Somehow human nature can discern who’s married and who’s not because someone has a wig on their head or a ring on their finger. Your so unrealistic.
    It’s a sin to sleep with a married woman. But attraction is a _feeling_ not an action and you can’t always control feeling.
    Be realistic

    in reply to: Sheitels – Can we stop the madness ? #2509790
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    Baruch lesson if you really think you can stop woman from caring about her appearance just cuz she was married means you don’t understand the fundamentals of human nature

    in reply to: Censership and conformity #2509783
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    Happy new year I was using the wig reference as an idea of why the same person who claims to be a conformist is really contradicting himself by his own lives reality. The point is extreme conformity is stifling and unrealistic unhealthy and unnecessary. Someone who bullies someone cuz they have a difference of oppion then “group think” possibly because they examined it to be false by critical thinking is probably suffering from extreme cognitive dissonance and fear

    in reply to: Censership and conformity #2509182
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    “This is supposed to be a Jewish forum” shutting down dissent is called communism or fascism and it’s fundamentally wrong. Your not a police man.
    Ideological control is not something to praise lol.
    But keep calling me names. Shutting down dissent it only makes your truth that much “stronger” and more “truthful”

    in reply to: Censership and conformity #2509181
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    “your nonsense” “burn at the steak” you clearly don’t know what critical thinking is because I obviously hit a chord somewhere that hurts that the first thing you need to do is get mad at my post. Are the chains rattling, the sound hurt you too much when I actually bring an argument you dislike to the table? Sad

    in reply to: Censership and conformity #2509180
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    If your wife wears a lace wig your lying about your own beliefs system lol

    in reply to: Censership and conformity #2509179
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    Your praising loss of individually? Suppression of personal identity? Are you ok?

    in reply to: Sheitels – Can we stop the madness ? #2509178
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    Obviously covering your hair is not for modesty reasons. And it never was. It’s not even deoraysa. So all these rules are a stretch

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    Nice I thought it said ztarot wallet. Lol sorry!!

    in reply to: Sheitels – Can we stop the madness ? #2509003
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    Wigs that are 3500 dollars is already overpaying. Shows how disconnected we all are. Seriously

    in reply to: Sheitels – Can we stop the madness ? #2508942
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    I think honestly and of course y’all are gonna get on my case for this but the fundamental understanding is that humans aren’t fallowers they think for themsleves based on whatever they feel is right. And this shows in the wigs people choose and how they dress. You can’t bring “the rabbanim would never have allowed this” it’s not what rabbanim allow. People simply don’t fallow the rules because they don’t want to and humans are not designed to fallow but to choose for themsleves what is right for them as is clear in the way people are choosing their wigs. If this is the fundamental nature of human beings then pushing “the rabbanim would never have allowed this” is delusional. These people listen to themselves. The best we can do is teach them proper morals when they are young so that they make proper moral choices when they are old or change the entire system to be more based on real life principles so people have a more moral mindset to fallow. Telling people “rabbanim would never let” is bypassing the human way of being that we all at the end of the day fallow whatever we truly feel is right not a bunch of leaders who say things. And don’t get on my case about this because obviously this is human nature judging from what’s going on

    in reply to: Sheitels – Can we stop the madness ? #2508894
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    Happy new year. It’s not deorysa. It’s derabanan. Sorry. Does it _say_ woman explicitly need to cover their hair after marriage. It’s not a law but an intrepation of sotah that looks to me and many others like it was taken way out of context. And stretched to mean something it doesn’t. “deoraysa” is “keep shabbas” “do not kill” “do not steal” your stretching interpretations over here to create a control narrative which doesn’t exist. Chill
    “Uncover her head for a spiritual punishment/ritual”
    Doesn’t automatically translate to “I command all married woman to cover their hair”
    Please. Stop the drama.

    in reply to: Sheitels – Can we stop the madness ? #2508485
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    Do some halachos not make logical sense. Alot of them don’t. Your allowed to admit that and speak the truth. Do you keep it anyways. Yes but again that’s a personal choice. Cuz you have free will but if you can’t discuss it then your part of a cult and I’r you cannot argue about something and what it means then your basicly saying your not allowed to think at all. That’s mind control.

    in reply to: Sheitels – Can we stop the madness ? #2508484
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    Morality is law. Torah has been taken out of context no offense. So yes when someone comes and says melachos don’t = rest they are right. You still can use your brain even if your religious. If a+b doesn’t equal c it’s not an avairah to admit it. Your allowed to say the truth

    in reply to: Sheitels – Can we stop the madness ? #2508456
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    Happy new year. But laws fallow logic also.
    If the government made a law that didn’t fallow logic or common sense that was all about control or contradicted itself. Would you fallow. No because God gave you a brain. Stop being a sheep. Things should make sense

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