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I’m not being “pompous” by pointing out steieght up bullying. Querty calm down
Unfortunately your irredeemable and I feel sorry for you
Are you slow?
“Yay, we have a new Chabad fanatic to discuss things with! This thread is about to get completely derailed.
Rebbetzin Yehudit Chana Chaya: why do you call the Luibavitcher Rebbe Hashem’s son, and with a capital S? Isn’t that a Christian belief? They believe Jesus was the son of God (obviously a huge error) – are you one of the Christian Chabadniks, who believes the Rebbe was divine, and you’re awaiting his second coming?”This is pure bullying. Stop lying to yourself
Baruchlessin
Sorry but your trying to change nature and reality and that doesn’t work. When you go out do you dress up to resresent yourself properly. Do you dress your best when you leave your house and then come home and dress down cuz your comfortable. That’s how all humanity works. Men and woman. It’s not realistic to tell woman not to dress up when they go out. As dressing up is how a woman represents herself to the world and how she is also accepted and respected among her peers. Woman also do not dress up for men in this _very_ segregated socioty but they dress up to fit in with their peers which has very strict social rules and it you don’t measure up. Your barely treated like a human. So….I understand you have a belief system and it “should” be one way but your viewpoint is completely unrealistic.I’m not siding with her. I’m saying it’s ok to disagree but to outright bully someone _and_ justify yourself. Wow
Qwerty613
It doesn’t matter what someone else believes you still need to treat them properly. Your using dogma as an excuse to bully which is showing that your entire uprining is a scam. Maybe practice what you and who you claim to representMaking fun of someone in a cruel manner. Making fun of their belief system just because you disagree with it is very low morally corrupt behavior. They have a right to not believe what you believe and your allowed to disagree but perhaps you should think about the fact that your talking to a human being with feelings who takes his own “religion” as seriosly as you do your own.
Demoshe that’s a very cruel way to talk to someone. Just because you disagree doesn’t mean you have a right to be cruel and rude.
I guess your religion doesn’t =morality is showing through. Your a fruadBaruchlesin
No I’m being realistic and saying no matter how much you try to control the narrative. Dressing up is important to woman. And your never going to change anything lol. It’s unrealistic to say they need to wear a burka which is literally what your saying in different words.The problem is that your watching the news lol. This is about illegal immigrants not Jewish people.
Illegals are here _illegally_
And the fact that america is not a haven anymore that’s ok it was never meant to be. We are too comfortable here anyways.Apukorma you lost me at “show off” being a decent human being means remaining humble.
Extreme wealth creates lots of problems
Disconnect from basic hardship which makes people huaghty. Extreme social expectations for who’s on the in crowd making it harder for anyone to measure up to the status qoa. And a big one being cruel to the poor because of lack of humanity.
That’s a big one.“it’s a grave sin for a man to be attracted to a married woman”
Somehow human nature can discern who’s married and who’s not because someone has a wig on their head or a ring on their finger. Your so unrealistic.
It’s a sin to sleep with a married woman. But attraction is a _feeling_ not an action and you can’t always control feeling.
Be realisticBaruch lesson if you really think you can stop woman from caring about her appearance just cuz she was married means you don’t understand the fundamentals of human nature
Obviously covering your hair is not for modesty reasons. And it never was. It’s not even deoraysa. So all these rules are a stretch
Nice I thought it said ztarot wallet. Lol sorry!!
Wigs that are 3500 dollars is already overpaying. Shows how disconnected we all are. Seriously
I think honestly and of course y’all are gonna get on my case for this but the fundamental understanding is that humans aren’t fallowers they think for themsleves based on whatever they feel is right. And this shows in the wigs people choose and how they dress. You can’t bring “the rabbanim would never have allowed this” it’s not what rabbanim allow. People simply don’t fallow the rules because they don’t want to and humans are not designed to fallow but to choose for themsleves what is right for them as is clear in the way people are choosing their wigs. If this is the fundamental nature of human beings then pushing “the rabbanim would never have allowed this” is delusional. These people listen to themselves. The best we can do is teach them proper morals when they are young so that they make proper moral choices when they are old or change the entire system to be more based on real life principles so people have a more moral mindset to fallow. Telling people “rabbanim would never let” is bypassing the human way of being that we all at the end of the day fallow whatever we truly feel is right not a bunch of leaders who say things. And don’t get on my case about this because obviously this is human nature judging from what’s going on
Happy new year. It’s not deorysa. It’s derabanan. Sorry. Does it _say_ woman explicitly need to cover their hair after marriage. It’s not a law but an intrepation of sotah that looks to me and many others like it was taken way out of context. And stretched to mean something it doesn’t. “deoraysa” is “keep shabbas” “do not kill” “do not steal” your stretching interpretations over here to create a control narrative which doesn’t exist. Chill
“Uncover her head for a spiritual punishment/ritual”
Doesn’t automatically translate to “I command all married woman to cover their hair”
Please. Stop the drama.Do some halachos not make logical sense. Alot of them don’t. Your allowed to admit that and speak the truth. Do you keep it anyways. Yes but again that’s a personal choice. Cuz you have free will but if you can’t discuss it then your part of a cult and I’r you cannot argue about something and what it means then your basicly saying your not allowed to think at all. That’s mind control.
Morality is law. Torah has been taken out of context no offense. So yes when someone comes and says melachos don’t = rest they are right. You still can use your brain even if your religious. If a+b doesn’t equal c it’s not an avairah to admit it. Your allowed to say the truth
Happy new year. But laws fallow logic also.
If the government made a law that didn’t fallow logic or common sense that was all about control or contradicted itself. Would you fallow. No because God gave you a brain. Stop being a sheep. Things should make senseIf you cannot refute someone else’s opinion with life and common sense and use bullying, shaming, or whatever else to shut someone down. Your not superior. Your practicing censorship because of a need for control and or fear which stems from extreme thinking or ideological control. We can see these habits among liberals that shut everyone down cuz they need to control the narrative. It’s imporant to allow true human dialogue because of your opinion can’t hold up to true scrutiny and you need to shut people down cuz you can’t face yourself. Is that truth? Or control. I think it’s control and you have no right to control others but allow for dialogue to happen to strengthen your own “superior” oppinion
There are oppinions that are right and oppinions that are wrong but as sovereign human beings everyone has a _right_ to have an opinion and as a basic human being a person has no right to censure others and shut them down because of their opinion or get them thrown off chats or act like a police men. If you disagree with an opinion you can argue against it not act like someone needs to be thrown out because of it.
Being imperfect keeps us humble. Living within our means helps us understand others. It helps us treat others properly and treat every human being with kindness.
Wow this is sick talk. Love your fellow man. Doesn’t say jew. But ok guys. Believe whatever you want. Get lost in all your narishkiet
Presentation _is_ important and it’s wonderful that everybody looks good and takes it seriously but not at the expense of being human. And being _normal_ _fallable_ _imperfect_
I think it’s unrealistic to say that you can “stop the madness”
It’s coming more from an extreme level of materialism and perhaps even emptiness cuz presentation has become the main focus not a person’s humaness. We are a presentation based society and the more we become about spending money the more society becomes about appearances and all humanity fades away. We are like the elite of the past with all the social rules and lack of humanity. The problem with such a lifestyle is that we all become ivory tower folks, so disconnected from reality we lose focus of what _is_ important and anyone that doesn’t measure up to our materialistic standards become further and further away from the norm making normal people feel dehumanized by the standards. Looks, prestige, money has even become the yardstick of who we date, and who gets a date and who gets married. It’s a sick rot rotting our bones. Harming the little guy and scorning the people who can’t measure up. It’s an illness. And it’s very sad. I don’t personally think presentation is a bad thing. Dressing up is great always looking good is amazing. But this isn’t just dressing the part this is becoming a sickness of emptiness and scornWhen we stop teaching extreme conformity and start learning basic common sense like, don’t spend more money then you have just to fit in, or your pocket book should dictate what you can afford, not society and thus different colors are allowed and not scorned. Only then will you see people focus on real things not just materialism. Materialism is the cracks showing in our impossible society
Also woman are all about compition and fitting in. Our society lives by impossible materialistic standards and its getting worse and worse as time goes on. Social rules are extreme and therefore people are extreme in their need to fit in. I think extreme segregation has a lot to do with it. Try walking into a grocery store with one hair out of place. People don’t treat others based on being human anymore you have to fit into the impossible standards first before your even treated with one ounce of dignity so that’s also part of the problem
Empty souls turn to materialism cuz they have nothing to hold onto. I think it has to do with social pressure and impossible standards but also lack of true values and heart And don’t scream at me for thinking outside the box
Yaakov yosef. Again your not the police man. Your not the moderator. And also…..be realistic no matter where you go in real life not everyone is going to conform to your way of thinking. Adversity actually is actually necessary to build better arguments. Learn what you really believe and help you build more understanding of right and wrong. Without adversity your no different then a liberal. Or liberal antics of control. Same game different beliefs.
Essentially what your saying which stems from fear and imitutirity (yep you don’t know what being a real adult is)
“You have to think like us otherwise you can’t be part of our group”
Is that really a healthy normal way of thinking or is that “cliquey” and imiture
“You have to dress like us or you can’t be here”
That’s first of all a very rude way to treat people and it’s not realistic.
Please grow upGuess what my opinion is based off my own understanding and viewpoint of what reality is as is your opinion that’s how people form oppinions. Sorry it doesn’t fit your strict narrative but no matter how much you’ll try to stuff my head earned wisdom into your box I will still deep down believe what I believes cuz you can’t control reality
Sacts I hear you but that means your forcing everyone to conform to your way of thinking. “This is how we think” “you can only argue this way” “Orthodox jews think this way”
We are all individuals tho we all have our own experiences and our own thoughts. See how controlling your narrative is?
I literally brought the most basic common sense to the table and you won’t have it cuz it doesn’t conform to the strict box of your beliefs system.
Again nothing I said was “Christian” they are human common sense. Put away your ruler for a second. Put away your controlled thinking. When you live everyday life these concepts apply. They are the foundation of biblical thinking…these are not Christian, or religious. Your using that as an excuse to shut down the conversation.
Let’s say you worked in the damn factory and you needed an instruction manual on how to work in the factory and everybody was compelled disconnected from reality and doing things the wrong way…..I’m talking about living in reality with wisdom. This has nothing to do with religion or “Christianity* or a certain way of thinking..
Please stop censuring me and telling me how to thinkHow do you know which common sense is the right one……common sense means self understood principles that all human beings understand and that is self evident or self understood. Maybe think about it for a bit you’ll figure it out.