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Crying that everyone should be moderated cuz you can’t handle adversity is like a liberal crying cuz he didn’t get his participation trophy. If you don’t have a good comeback for someones statement. Closing your eyes to adversity doesn’t make your oppinion better or more true. You can easily be living in an echo chamber of lies
You guys are againts Vance now? Since when
Maybe chabad teach a much healthier outlook on gehenim. See none of us will know the truth till we get there. It might be time we learn from other factions that control and fear are not healthy. And possibly abusive. For example take a real life scenario if I told you you had to do what I want otherwise you’ll go to hell. Does that um garner respect, faith, trust, love etc etc or does that garne fear, resentment, control, pain, suffering
See what I did here. Fear based thinking stems from a need for control and manipulation. I don’t think G-d is manipulative or controlling. You might want to read the Torah again but this time through the lense of being an all loving entity and not a screaming don’t you dare monsterNo, you got played. Also nobody can garentee the supernatural
Stop threatening people too, “daring hashem to do something”
You have no grasp of reality. Difference of oppion isn’t punished by God. Your allowed to have difference of oppion and different things you agree with that’s called critical thinking and that’s human. If God didn’t want us to have different opinions he wouldn’t have created us with different brains and circumstances. I’m not sure which God you serve but you have no grasp of reality at all. Wakeup“lowlife” “lier” “dummy” wow. Relax. Breathe. He just has a difference of _oppinon_
Wow quarty relax nobody is getting at you. You sound like a brainwashed yeshiva bachur screaming slogans rather then fact.
Yes I see your point but, balance bro.
Your allegiance is to “hashem” and your “ideology” but your human you can have a viewpoint that’s a little more well rounded. ChillHow bout we all just use common sense and not arbitrary control rules that don’t always apply to reality.
Always ask questions where are you getting your info from.
All of america go to college and now their steeped in debt without a job. College is a scamThe Torah and reality live together you saying that right and wrong only exist cuz the Torah states it and the Torah states what reality _is_. The reason I’m saying this is because somebody anybody can come and misintprst reality or the Torah and say something the Torah says that the Torah doesn’t say and the way to see that is to know what reality says as well. The only way to know truth is to know it in real life as well cuz the truth and reality mirror what is written. And what is taken out of context and added will not mirror reality at all hence would be considered false. Because existance mirrors the word exactly. If it doesn’t that means it was taken out of context and therefore not true
Your basicly using sheeple mentality to say right and wrong exist. Do you know what right and wrong _is_? I don’t think so same way you can’t agree that common sense is a real life concept
No demoshe right and wrong exist and the Torah reiterates it so you don’t forget it. Right and wrong are concrete concepts that exist. That means if the Torah didn’t exist right and wrong would still exist they are living breathing concepts that are hardwired into the fabric of creation. They are concepts that exist irregardless of words written on a page, ideologies, or belief systems
That means no matter what a person reads or believes in his head he can use real world discernment to understand what the truth is irregardless of written wordQuerty your getting stuck on the nitty gritty details and justifying yourself. We both have different opinions. And that’s that. You have an opinion about chabad I have an option about litvish. It doesn’t matter what the oppinion is about. Stop making it as if your better because of your oppinion.
Are you also one of those that think right and wrong is dependant on beliefs and culture rather then set standards that exist? Cuz sounds like your coming from that camp
I disagree wholly in survival of the fittest, another brainwash mechanism of the elite….survival of the most moral especially in human relationships wins. Animals are not humans even tho we do mirror certain qualities in certain scenarios….but survival of the most moral is how humans servive. The Torah doesn’t tell us that things are wrong and therefore they are wrong. The Torah writes down reality as it _is_ so we don’t go astray and destroy ourselves.
The Torah doesn’t make it wrong, reality does and the Torah is there to make sure we don’t forget it.I’m going to play devil’s advocate here and mirror the behaviour I get here for having litterlly the exact same oppinion about how litvish people treat each other or the insane materialism that goes on in our community and how cruel certain people can be towards each other cuz of every slight imperfection. but it’s ok for you to look at chabad in a negative light of course and say the exact same things I say about litvish because it’s not you is it.
This is what people say to me when I question litvish people
But I’m going to translate it into chabad speak.
“Sounds like you got hurt by a lot of chabad people”
(That doesn’t refute your opinion about chabad your still allowed to point out what is broken)
“Chabad does alot of chessed so their beyond scrutiny thier beliefs or behaviors can’t be questioned)
Right….
You sound like you just “hate” chabad people and you have a axe to grind so we don’t care about your oppinion
So here the deal it’s ok for you to scrutinize chabad people. Have an opinion about their broken system but it’s not ok for me to do the same to anyon but ele because….. Why?You don’t have to be Dan lekaf zechjs everyone. Some people behaviour is not ok. And if you don’t differentiate reality for what it is you can’t stand on principle. I think this thread is stretching who you have to give the benefit of the doubt to….it’s not realistic to give it to everyone and rightous anger or being annoyed at someone who cuts people off is human and normal. Being abnormal or trying to control your human nature isn’t healthy. Just be real and true to yourself. When someone does something wrong it’s not necessary good for them not to be held accountable and you allowing them to get away with it doesn’t serve them. Just be human and real
For example a Democrat and a Republican. Why do Republicans see the truth and Democrats do not because Democrats have been brainwashed and sheltered from reality their whole lives and they can’t or don’t want to admit the truth or they don’t see the truth. That doesn’t make “their” common sense, “common sense” it means they are brainwashed and cannot see “common sense” for what it is. Common sense isn’t based off whims it’s called self understood principles that should be plainly obvious and self understood by everyone. And if you don’t understand basic abc that doesn’t mean you have your own “common sense” it means you simply don’t understand basic abc ok?
Common sense means known fact or obvious fact about something that _should_ be self understood
Like do not murder
Do not steal
Treat people properly.
Like why are you guys missing the forest for the trees. My goodness. Typical yeshiva brainwashing can’t have a normal conversation about basic abc cuz you guys lose the basics for the complex. Wakeup hello we aren’t talking about anything so deep. Stop taking this so farAlso ai will take many jobs prob like…..data entry….prob bubble will pop soon ish maybe
That’s not a fact lol your making an assumption because your trying to use an extreme example to prove a point that proves you don’t know or use common sense yourself. Honestly. Do you know what common sense is and if you ask the worlds consensus, outside the nazi ideology they would all agree they were fascist and they did great evil. So….what’s your point again?
Why don’t friends just get together, make a class for each neighborhood and pay one teacher
Common sense has a specific definition..so it’s quite easy to figure out whos fallowing common sense and who isn’t. The point is you clearly don’t even know what common sense is. That’s ok
You never asked them so you don’t know and clearly your using extreme examples and missing the point of what common sense is. That’s ok
They were not fallowing common sense they were fallowing extreme ideology, propaganda brainwash and getting cought up in the crowd. Stop making up stories
Hitler believes he was fallowing common sense? What? No he didn’t anyone with a brain knows he wasn’t. Stop conflating common sense with extreme evil. The fact that we are arguing about what common sense is and using insane example to refuse that is literally crazy. Please stop
You don’t have to give everyone the benefit of the doubt stop gaslighting yourself. Being nice isn’t the only emotion
“kefira” is often used by high-control groups and certain religious institutions to silence criticism, suppress questioning of authority, and enforce doctrinal conformity. In such contexts, accusations of “kefira” serve not as genuine moral or theological judgments but as mechanisms of social and psychological control. By labeling dissenting views or critical questions as “kefira” leaders can delegitimize opposition without engaging with its substance.
This tactic aligns with broader patterns seen in authoritarian religious environments where challenging leadership or doctrine is equated with spiritual rebellion or moral corruption.
high-control groups frequently employ thought-terminating clichés — vague, repetitive phrases that shut down critical thinking. When members raise legitimate concerns or ask difficult questions, responses often consist of dogmatic assertions like “kefira” or “we don’t think this way” rather than reasoned dialogue.
Qwerty613
So many underhanded jabs. Must give you more points in heavenAnd difference of oppion?
Living in an echo chamber and trying to control reality doesn’t make your ideals stronger and it doesn’t make you a better person just a more sheltered one.
Adversity and difference of oppion is natural because we all have different lives, experiences and perspectives and you cannot carpamentalize all human beings into one way of thinking.
I do value not exposing a person to morally corrupt behavior or bad things but this extreme need for control is delusional thinking.
If your belief system and your way of life cannot handle even one ounce of adversity that you will walk away cuz you can’t handle something as small as an opinion difference, your not becoming a bette person but trying to force a level of control that isn’t healthy and is impossible.
Your truths should be able to withstand scrutiny
And adversit
Your viewpoints should be able to handle _individuality_
But clearly it cannot. That’s not a yeshiva world problem and it’s not a problem that is coming other then your own extreme dogma and need for control
I understand the value in being sheltered and not exposing yourself to a world of moral decay
But at what cost
And also where is the line of balance
And normalcy“chazal say” “so your point is refuted”
Those are not facts
But just an appeal to authority to claim truth. Please stop the bs.
I speak of things unfolding today not 2000 years ago. And chazal is no longer here to witness it. What they said was thier oppinion not fact unless they were God. Which they are not.
Please the Torah says something very very different.
It says “at this appionted time certain things will unfold”
No conditions
No guilt trip
Just reality.
So chazal can say whatever they want but doesn’t make it true
Please stop being a sheep thanksTo querty
So your using authority to prove your point it doesn’t put a monkey rench in my theory. Sorry. Cuz I still speak the truth. Get over itSounds like chazal was trying to guilt trip you into thinking your responsible for your redemption and only if you “merit” it you will get it. Except that in the Torah it was written clear as day that an appointed hour Daniel will play out for all to see. So that put a monkey wrench in your theory. We are already in the messianic era. Your just not paying attention. And galus is generally chains that are “internal” because of dogma and control. But of course your going to throw stones at me cuz how can I say something that _you_ don’t believe. Omg
Querty:
Dogmatic people often rely on authority rather than personal reasoning or evidence to justify their beliefs. Instead of presenting their own arguments or engaging in open debate, they assert that their position is correct simply because an authoritative source—such as a religious text, a famous figure, or an institution—supports it. This approach reflects a core aspect of dogmatism: accepting a belief on the basis of authority without questioning or testing it.
You need to stop looking at the extreme mindset and start looking at the people. Many people all over the world are suffering from extreme ideologies, chabad is not excluded but the worship of the rebbe is not the sum total of all their beliefs.
I love how you guys point at chabad as extreme while your own ideologies are extreme. Facepalm
If you asked a Nazi and he says he’s fallowing common sense he’s either lying to you or lying to himself. Ok? Thanks anything else?
Yankel berel I already answered your question. Go back and reread it or maybe figure it out I’m not having this conversation with you. Your grasp of reality and basic abc is a little questionable.
I don’t see my own faults? Or you projecting, changing this around cuz you too much of a weak person to look at your own faults? It’s always going to be the other person’s problem. Very mature. Keep exposing yourself
Yep it’s nasty. Woman with power means cruelty generally.
You cannot redeem people that refuse to see sense for what it is. When we are willing to wakeup and face reality and get out of our ideological broken system and breathe the air of true freedom we will forever be in “galus” it’s 2000 years of manufactured galus. And its a cycle that simply keeps repeating itself. This comment sections and the incessant character assisnations I keep having to deal with because I was talking about concepts like “conformity” or “morality” is just a small window into the reasons why we are where we are. If we cannot look inward at our own wrongdoing and change our ways. There’s no redemption for us. Sorry not sorry
Also if your not bullying, then I’m not either. So please stop “calling me out” if you can’t call yourself out for your own morally corrupt behavior
You are entitled to spend what you earn but there are also social consenquences like eventually the standards get raised, you lose touch with reality. A lot of things can happen from choices you make that prob should be thought about
Damoshe sometimes things are deserved and sometimes things are undeserved. And you guys deserve it. The chabad person did not.
Also stop calling me out if your not willing to call yourself outIt says in the Torah that morality and common sense are written on the heart meaning that all the principles biblical moral principles are human ideals and self understood.
It’s only brainwash and ideology that takes a person away from the realm of reality aka the tree of “knowledge” your using your knowledge to miss the point of reality. Please grow up thanksThis is what happens when your raised by schools and not your parents. Sad
Common sense is something self understood are you slow? And it’s Also written in plain English in the Torah so you never forget it.
Don’t kil, common sense
Don’t steal, common sense
And Lot of other things that clearly you can’t figure out cuz you don’t have a brain. Societies that get far away from common sense generally happen because of mass brainwash as you can see today in American culture and unfortunately in your own. ClearlyYankel berel I did answer you question I just didn’t play the game your trying to play cuz you think I’m a fool. Saying that 70 years ago the nazis were using “common sense” and then using that to speak as if you can’t use common sense because that was their common sense is just showing what a fool you are. The holocaust wasn’t people practicing common sanse. So put your sword down and stop being stupid