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Mermaid: Don’t make assumptions. These are Mishnayos (and the Yerushalmi there) in Pe’ah as well as Halachos in the Shulchan Aruch. And $5 a meal is exorbitant. How much does bread and peanut butter cost? And I don’t know if your assumption that the person needs 200 Zuz per family member is correct.
Loyal Jew: So you’re saying that your Mesorah is irrelevant because of “where the oilem is holding”, whatever that means? So I assume that statement means that you no longer have any complaints about “MO”?
Mermaid: No. The Mishnah B’rurah says that you cannot say D’varim Shebikdusha when you can see a 3-year-old not dressed properly. That is fine, and I would be very hesitant to tell someone to hold like even the Chazon Ish against the Mishnah B’rurah in this. However, that is not the same as saying that a 3-year-old must be dressed Tzniusly at all times, as I explained above.
Cooljude: Honestly, I’d recommend reading the Artscroll Chumash in English with their commentaries. There are some cool, fun, great, and enjoyable things in there that you can find how to fit into your daily life.
147: Was that comment necessary? It does nothing to foster Ahavas Yisroel. Everyone knows what the NK do and think. Why do you have to additionally point it out here just to upset people with them. They have the ability and Mitzvah to do T’shuvah just as much as the completely reform/Chiloni does. Why exclude them from that? (And yes, I do hold that anyone who gives money to a person who has stated that he wants to “wipe Israel off the map” has the Din of a Rodeph.)
Zees: I actually have neither. I follow Halachah. There are cases where Halachah calls for being Machmir in times of Machlokes or just to be safe or to make sure you avoid bigger issues and there are times where Halachah is much more Meikil. I don’t like dealing with the words Chumra and Kula anymore, actually, because nowadays they take on a meta-halachic political/societal meaning which for many people, Rachmana Litzlan, trumps what the actual Halachah states. I’ve been called both a “liberal reformer” and a “right-wing fanatic” for just quoting the Shulchan Aruch. My point to you about Kadesh Atzm’cha B’muttar Lach and the opposite Shittah is that both are legitimate D’rachim in Avodas Hashem and that as long as everyone’s Kavanos are L’sheim Shamayim it doesn’t matter by which Derech he holds. They are not doing “the bare minimum” (with a negative connotation) and nor are you being a fanatical extremist (with a negative connotation). Whatever works for anyone out of these two D’rachim is a legitimate form of Avodas Hashem as long as Hakol L’sheim Shamayim.
147: Rav Schachter holds that in Eretz Yisroel, where there are legitimate issues of mass Chillul Shabbos, then of course the Rabbanut does the right thing by changing the day. But most places in America, where there is no real Chashash of people getting so carried away so as to be Mechalel Shabbos (especially when you’re changing it because of Yom Hazikaron which is Kim’at ignored in America) then there is no reason to switch the day.
Mermaid: Good question. The Gemara says that pants (well, it says Michnasayim, which obviously, hopefully, don’t mean the pants we wear today) are Assur. (Niddah 14b or somewhere around there.)
Mermaid: That’s very hard to say. It’s one thing to hold that for Krias Shma and Devarim Shebikdusha a person can’t see the arms, legs, etc. of a 3-year old. It’s very, very tough (and disturbing) to say that we think a significant portion of the male population will have Ta’avos for her if they see a 3-year-old with her arms and legs uncovered, which is what forcing her to always be Tznius would mean.
For some Tzedaka Inyanim, not having a set income qualifies you to accept. These are Mishnayos at the end of Pe’ah. A person can take Leket, Shich’chah, and Pe’ah (and maybe Ma’aser Ani also, I don’t remember) if they have less than 200 Zuz-which is the amount of money a person needs to eat for a year.
Zees: Actually, the Shulchan Aruch does say that you’re not allowed to hold anything while Davening. The two exceptions are a Siddur and a Lulav, though presumably any other D’var Mitzvah (like a Sefer) is okay. Though I’m sure there’s some discussion/argument about that last fact.
RT: By the way, Rav Schachter will say Tachanun tomorrow but will say Hallel on Friday (he doesn’t hold of the government being Doche Yom Ha’atzma’ut).
I defer to Oomis in this thread, who made my exact points but stated them so much more nicely and clearly than I ever could have.
I was told that there was a sign up in the YU Beis Medrash today that all the learning would be done L’ilui Nishmas those who died Al Kiddush Hashem protecting Jews and Eretz Yisroel. Is there anything whatsoever wrong with that?
RT: That’s kind of funny, actually. I guess some people will be waiting until Monday to say long Tachanun.
Oh, and tomorrow is 4 Iyar, not 5.
Zees:
and Sam2: Someone who truly cares about HaShem’s mitzvohs, is very meticulous in observance need not be bashed (“uch an attitude is divisive”). A person doing HaShem’s ratzon doesn’t care the least what someone else does. I think there’s a quote somewhere “a persons should not be embarrassed from others who laugh at him”.
You realize the incredible irony of this statement, right? This is your response to when I said that putting down Shomer Halachah Jews who don’t add additional Chumros is a divisive attitude. You can’t both put down Shomer Halachah Jew and say something like this. The two comments just don’t go together.
Zees: I think Oomis made my point perfectly, which you continue to ignore. Why do you keep saying “bare minimum” like it’s such a terrible thing? That is what I meant was a divisive attitude. Why do you have to put down those who are completely Shomer Halachah? Why should someone who follows the Shulchan Aruch to the letter be considered a “bare minimum Jew” and looked down upon?
And yes, there is another Gemara that says that a person will have to give an explanation to Hashem for every physical pleasure that he didn’t use. The idea is obvious. Hashem gave us things which are completely Muttar. Some people serve Hashem better by utilizing the Muttar and some serve Hashem better by avoiding the Muttar. Both are perfectly valid D’rachim. And just like you wouldn’t feel kindly about someone trying to force you to violate a Chumra of yours (because it would hurt your Avodas Hashem), so too someone who uses the physical for Avodas Hashem would have his Avodas Hashem hurt by an unnecessary Chumra that others want to force on him.
Apusht: It’s in the Mishnah B’rurah in the Siman on this. Somewhere 65-74, I think.
Happy birthday Yitay.
Dhl: You can show that we are holier than those who do all sorts of Shtusim and stupidities when they turn 21.
ZeesKite: Asu Mishmeres L’mishmarti is talking about Chazal making G’zeiros D’rabannan, not us adding Chumros on our own. And there is another Gemara that says explicitly the opposite of Kadesh Atzm’cha B’mutar Lach. Eilu V’eilu…
Zees: Your assumption and statement that one either needs to be adding Chumros or he is “seeing how little they can hold of Mitzvohs and still be labeled a practicing Jew” is terrible. Such an attitude is divisive and leads to nothing but “I’m better than you” feelings and Sinas Chinam.
Ders: I proved a week ago that that’s obviously not true. There is a way to go too far. The question is how to define “too far”.
Yom Ha’atzma’ut is the same Gematria as Bittul Torah.
(That’s one of my favorite Gematriyos. Those who like Yom Ha’atzma’ut appreciate the irony and those who don’t like it love the Gematria for obvious reasons. So Yom Ha’atzma’ut really brings Achdus to K’lal Yisrael.
In a similar vein, someone once said that everyone should read Shir Hashirim on Yom Ha’atzma’ut. The Zionists because it contains the Passuk of Kol Dodi Dofek and the anti-Zionists because it contains Hishba’ti Eschem B’nos Yerushalayim. If only everyone could appreciate the Achdus possible on this day…)
Ders: I won’t discuss this issue. I will quote the Chazon Ish though, who says that it’s whatever age a person starts to have a Yetzer for a girl. You figure out what age that is on your own. I won’t give a number.
Ders: That you’re wrong on. Making up an Issur D’Oraisa is Bal Tosif.
Zees: You are very correct that Yichud is Assur. Mods, can we delete Babygoose’s post and all the responses to it? This isn’t the place for such a discussion.
Well, my post didn’t get through. Maybe it’s better that way. My point was that my post wasn’t any sort of Zionist indoctrination or whatever that means. I was just saying that, while there is definitely much to discuss about how the Medinah isn’t Al Pi Torah and what could be better, a thread dedicated to commemorating soldiers who gave their lives defending Jews and Judaism isn’t the place.
And HaKatan, maybe you should take a lesson from Zeeskite. She (he?) can be a Kanoi without showing an abject hatred for the subjects she addresses. There’s a fine line between Kana’us and Sinas Chinam. Be very careful when walking it.
The Chazon Ish says that it’s whenever it’s normal for people to begin being attracted to her which, presumably, is a few years after 7 also.
Write or wrong: I don’t think that’s P’shat. There were Milchamos Shel Mitzvah all throughout Bayis Rishon (maybe Sheini too), even when the leaders were Resha’im. There are other reasons to call this a Milchemes R’shus (or not Halachically a Milchama at all), but that’s not one of them.
I am very proud of the fact that I have personally convinced 3 people to walk down to the Ahavas Yisroel song from the Marvelous Middos Machine.
Avhaben: You haven’t answered how we have any right at all to take a faster route away from the Goyim who aren’t obligated in Shabbos. Costing one Goy 5 minutes is still G’neiva.
Zees: There is a time and place for Kana’us. This isn’t it. This thread was a D’var Torah about a day honoring and respecting those who have died defending Jews and Judaism in Eretz Yisrael. It’s not the place to rant against the major flaws the current government there has.
DovidM: It wasn’t an issue of the work done. It was an issue of not having any food. And in many cities throughout much of Jewish (and European) history, those who were not very rich were lucky to get meat once or twice a year, forget once a week.
HaLeiVi: That is not one of the better articles on the subject. However, it is useful in the fact that it does show that the Christian and pagan Minhag of this predated ours by a very, very long time.
I don’t understand. If someone is addicted to texting on Shabbos but is really trying to stop would you call him a Ben Torah? Why is smoking different? Everyone has their Nisyonos. I get that. Why does the smoker get off the hook for failing his? The rest of us wouldn’t if we failed ours.
Yitay: Actually, I believe there is a Chayei Adam that says something about someone not being allowed to give a P’sak as a Gadol based on what he remembers his Rebbe saying from when he was a Kattan, or something like that. (the irony of that statement is that it’s entirely possible that I saw that Chayei Adam before I was 13, which is probably part of the reason that I’m not positive about exactly what he said.)
No. It’s usually an Issur D’oraisa of Nichush.
Ders: You have no right to block a public Goyish thoroughfare, even if it will stop a Jew from being Mechalel Shabbos. In Israel, where Rov are Jews, you do have a right to block the Derech Harabim in such a case.
Ders: It’s very far from the Rov that it is in Eretz Yisrael.
Avhaben: Why? Almost everyone there is Frum so there is no issue of Jews driving and what right do we have to stop the Goyim from driving through there? That would be G’zeilah. The reason they block them off from places like Me’ah Sh’arim is because most of the people there are Jews and they don’t want a Jew being Mechallel Shabbos in their neighborhood. Why and how can we stop Goyim from driving on Shabbos?
Mermaid: Correct. There are true Segulos in many places. This isn’t one of them.
147: I don’t believe that story. Kol Ha’omer Hallel B’chol Yom Harei Zeh Mecharef Um’gadef.
Thanks Awareness. I always say that I’m usually off by 3-5 Blatt or less when I cite something, but I always get the side of the page right.
Writersoul: We began eating Cholent as a response to the Karaites, which should be after the time of Chazal.
Mod 42: That was one of a few articles I thought of posting but didn’t think they’d get through. Thank you.
See Rashi Kesubos 7a (I think) S.V. Rei’im Ha’ahuvim
Csar: Not necessarily. Everyone agrees you can be off by a year or two. Our Shmittah count comes from the Rambam who had a Mesorah from the Geonim. The fact that our Shmittah years are divisible by 7 is irrelevant.
Mayan: I’m far from knowledgeable in Taharos, but I’m pretty sure that a person who’s an Av Hatum’ah doesn’t make another person a Rishon just by touching them. And even if they did, a Kohen is only prohibited from coming into direct contact (or moving or being in an Ohel with) a corpse which is Avi Avos Hatum’ah.
Chazal said that fatty foods were healthy, which was true until the mid-1700s. When became no longer terribly malnourished on average, that reality changed.
Reading this thread (no joke).
Mod 42: I wouldn’t go as far as you. Teenagers do stupid things sometimes. Maybe he was just stupid to start and now he’s hooked. I don’t think it shows other major flaws in the person, but definitely is a strong reason in and of itself not to date someone.
And what about people who don’t overeat but are overweight anyway?