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yes, learning chassidus and davening is extremely important, this is the way to come to love and fear hashem, achdus hashem according to shitas habaal shem tov.
the rambam starts off mishnah torah with יסוד היסודות ועמוד החכמות לידע……
and yes the rebbe’s teachings are for us just as important as חז”ל. im sorry you dont recognize the greatness of the rebbe and all the chabad rabaim (there were also other non chabad great tzadikim) who saw g-dliness,
litvaks dont understand what chassidus is, one point:
the chabad rabaim said the chassidus to explain g-dliness to us low people who dont see g-dliness, they themselves saw these things like the arizal, the baal shem tov.
just learn chassidus (not like a chassidishe sefer – whatever that means- chassidus you need to learn till you have a burning love for hashem, and you start seeing the g-dliness in everything in the world) and youll see this is true.בקיץ תשנ”ו כתב נשיא “הסתדרות הרבנים” בארה”ב מכתב מחוצף, ובו טען כי אמונתם של חסידי חב”ד שהרבי הוא מלך המשיח, מיוסדת רח”ל על מקורות זרים. המכתב עורר סערה בקרב יהדות ארה”ב, ורבים דרשו לדעת האם אכן עומדים רבני “הסתדרות הרבנים” מאחורי הדברים האלה. כאשר שמע על כך הרב סולובייצ’יק (שהיה מנהיגה הרוחני של הסתדרות זו), פרסם מכתב חריף, “גילוי דעת”, בז’ תמוז תשנ”ו בכל העיתונים היהודיים בארצות הברית ובו מבהיר בצורה שאינה משתמעת לשני פנים, כי האמונה שהרבי הוא מלך המשיח מבוססת על מקורות איתנים בגמרא ובספרי הפוסקים, כמו גם בספרי הקבלה ובדברי הרבי עצמו:
“להלן מענה לשאלות הרבות אודות עמדתי בהנוגע לליובאוויטש ואמונתם המשיחית.
לפני ג’ תמוז כללתי את עצמי בין אלה שהאמינו כי הרבי היה ראוי להיות המשיח. אני מאמין באופן מוחלט, כי לו היינו – במיוחד הקהילה האורטודוקסית – מאוחדים, היינו זוכים לגאולה השלמה.
בהנוגע לאמונה של רבים מאנשי ליובאוויטש (כולל רבנים מובהקים וראשי ישיבות) – אמונה המיוסדת בחלקה על התבטאויות דומות של הרבי בעצמו על מורישו הרבי הקודם – שהרבי עדיין יכול להיות המשיח, וזאת לאור הגמרא בסנהדרין, הזהר, אברבנאל, כתבי האריז”ל, שדי חמד ושאר מקורות, אי אפשר לבטלה כאמונה שהיא חוץ לזרם האורטודוקסי. כל ניסיון ציני להשתמש בחילוקי דיעות לגיטימיים בכל הנוגע לפירושים בעניין זה, להכפיש ולהזיק את תנועת ליובאוויטש, שהייתה וממשיכה להיות בחזית הקדמית של אלו הלוחמים במיסיונרים, בהתבוללות, ובאדישות של יהודים ליהדותם, – כל ניסיון כזה יכול רק לתרום לפילוג המצער שממנו סובל כבר המחנה היהודי בכלל והתורני בפרט. על המחנה התורני לגייס את כל כוחותיו, להתאחד ברוח האמיתית של אהבת ישראל, ולהילחם באויב האמיתי של עם ישראל. אני מוחה, וקורא להפסק מוחלט של כל תעמולה או פגיעה בשם הטוב של ליובאוויטש, או כל תנועה לגיטימית אחרת בתוך יהדות התורה”.
i dont know what your point is, but its like someone else’s statement that the idea of we want moshiach now is wrong (or worse).
its a shame that jews always find arguments to pick, and to come out against others.
time for those rca members to retract (if they didn’t yet), and to get their knowledge straight,additional sources about davening
לקוטי תורה תצא לח, ב
לקוטי תורה פ׳ בהעלותך לב, ד
תורת חיים פ׳ נח נד, ג
just a few, anyway the point was about the importance of davening thats why chassidim spend hours on preparation and the actual davening
the misnagdim were against this from the time of the baal shem tov,
and in those times there were many debates, read the debate in minsks etc,
and to yserbius – im not in denial its just we in chebad dont need to answer our minhagim taught to us by קדושי עליון, we couldnt care less what others have to say. (its only we try to spread the light of chassidus cuz we love every jew) – although i cant understand why anyone would try to hide the rebbes amazing teaching which besides from the intellectual aspect of it, they also give one a chayos in yiddishkiet like nothing else – טעמו וראו כי טוב הוי’ פארזוכט וועט איר זעהן אז דער אויבערשטער איז גוט. (taste chassidus and you’ll see how good hashem and yiddishkiet is)as i wrote i made a mistake and mixed together 2 sources. but check the 2nd source i mentioned. אגרת ט
על כן, אהוביי אחיי, שימו נא לבבכם לאלה הדברים הנאמרים בקצרה מאד (ואם ירצה ה׳ פה אל פה אדבר בם בארוכה), איך היות כל עיקר עבודת ה׳ בעתים הללו בעקבות משיחא היא עבודת הצדקה, כמו שאמרו רבותינו־זכרונם־לברכה: ״אין ישראל נגאלין אלא בצדקה״. ולא אמרו רבותינו־זכרונם־לברכה ״תלמוד תורה שקול כנגד גמילות חסדים״, אלא בימיהם, שתלמוד תורה היה עיקר העבודה אצלם, ועל כן היו חכמים גדולים תנאים ואמוראים. מה שאין כן בעקבות משיחא, שנפלה ״סוכת דוד״ עד בחינת רגלים ועקביים, שהיא בחינת עשיה, אין דרך לדבקה בה באמת ולהפכא חשוכא לנהורא דילה [נוסח אחר: דיליה] כי אם בבחינת עשיה גם כן, שהיא מעשה הצדקה, כידוע למשכילים, שבחינת עשיה באלקות – היא בחינת השפעת והמשכת החיות למטה מטה למאן דלית ליה מגרמיה כלום
here he is speaking about tzedaka i know, thats why i mentioned the other source, whatever, כל ספרי חסידות מלאים בדבר זה.
whats the point of learning torah btw? whats the point of mitzvos? what is torah and mitzvos?
im not trying to argue (im not interested to prove my point to someone who doesn’t know much chassidus) but im writing so maybe one drop of chassidus will enter someone who reads, and awaken his neshama.
tanya is one sefer, its called torah shebiksav of chassidus, learning only tanya is like learning chumash and being like a tziduki who tighs a sign on his hand for tefillin. learn all the seforim of the baal hatanya if you want. they are called מאמרי אדמור הזקן in case you dont know.sorry mistake קיד not קיב.
just because you saw one person have a meal doesn’t mean that thats what chabad does, i saw a litvak come to shul late, skip half of davening cuz shulchan aruch says to skip if you come late, but you shouldnt be coming late, i also saw a jew speaking lashon hara – that means its accepted?
so the way the baal shem tov thought is that when you see a nother yid doing something wrong, we look at ourselves and say that im not devoting myself enough to davening, not him (the litvak i saw).
anyway learn the first 4 volumes of likutai sichos, and if you still have any questions on chabad, then come back, some people learn a bit on tanya and think they understand it, then claim all their claims, you dont understand anything.about tefilah being the ikur avodah look in kuntres acharon דף קסב.
talmud torah was the ikur avoda in the times of gemarah – דף קיב. now is tzedakah
i did make a mistake and mix them together.
anyway, learn the whole tanya beiyun (today there are plenty of biurim printed)the reason chabad eats before davening is simple. the shulchan aruch harav paskens that if one needs to eat to be able to have more kavana by davening, its permited. the custom in chabad is to learn 1-2 hours (at least) of chassidus before davening – to prapare for davening – learning about gadlus ha-kel, then to daven which is a major focus – (also mikvah, hisbonenus, long davening (a good few hours) (the alter rebbe says in tanya that todays days davening is the ikur avoda (not torah – like in the time of gemara))
so most people would be very hungry if they did not eatjust pointing out that i just checked that website identifying chabad, 1) they take one sicha out of context, as i already discussed בעטן in a continuation to before, about asking for a tikun not praying,
2) these guys are against the alter rebbe too, so PSA, cuz some claim they are only against todays chabad, so good for them all all misnagdim who are against most of jews who are chassidish, talmidim of the baal shem tov, etc, so dont learn shulchan aruch harav, keep the cherem of the gra etc, zai gezunt un shtark.its funny how litvaks think they are the policemen of the world!
chabad shlucha youre amazing, even though your’e devoted to you’re community, you still want to educate people around the world with the light of torah and chassidus! no need to answer complaints.
i think a most encredible thing that will happen when moshiach comes, is that then will be the נישואין between us and hashem, which simply means that we will feel close to hashem the way a wife feels to her husband (at the best times). a mitzvah will be our pressure to do for hashem, learning torah will be like my husband – hashem – sharing with me his deepest ideas, etc. etc.. this is dirah bitachtonim. (this is my own hergesh after learning chassidus for tens of thousends of hours over the past many yrs. vda”l)like i wrote before, read the words its talking about asking for a tikun.
anyways i have a great idea: all the litvaks who didn’t learn chassidus (a good amount of the seforim 10+ (i should really say 100+)) they should in stead of arguing about chassidus, which they know nothing about, there is plenty of arguments you can have with other litvaks, like brisk with rav shach, about voting, the get, or yeshiva university and הגאון האדיר ר’ יוסף דוב סולובייטשיק with brisk of yerushalayim, etc, etc,learn שו”ת צמח צדק יורה דעה סיומן צג,
my point is not to say its asur to use an electric shaver
(even though, many opinions held that way including the chzaon ish, rav shach, reb chayim kanievski in the name of his father who all held that an electric shaver is קרוב מאד שזהו תאר ממש ועוברים עליו בחמשה לאוין) see here: https://tablet. otzar.org/?lang=en#/b/642323/p/20/t/1686319030321/fs/0/start/0/end/0/c/1686319054687
my point is that its definitely a chumra, hiddur, etc. you’ll get schar for it. part of living a torah life, tzurah of a ben torah. according to arizal it brings a lot of bracha,
so its interesting why people who devote their lives with mesiras nefesh to torah, shave their beards.
chassidim were moser nefesh not to cut their beards.
לא תהא יושב ושוקל במצוותיה של תורה הוי זהיר במצווה קלה כבחמורה – אבות
“אורח חיים פן תפלס, נעו מעגלותיה לא תדע” (משלי ה,ו). מהו “אורח חיים פן תפלס”? – אמר רבי אבא בר כהנא: אמר הקב”ה: לא תהא יושב ושוקל במצוותיה של תורה. לא תהא אומר: הואיל והמצווה הזו גדולה אני עושה אותה, ששכרה מרובה, והואיל וזו מצווה קלה איני עושה אותה. מה עשה הקב”ה? לא גילה לבריות מהו מתן שכרה של כל מצווה ומצווה, כדי שיעשו כל המצוות בתום. מניין? שנאמר: “נעו מעגלותיה לא תדע”.- בדברים רבה ו,בNO OUTSIDE LINKS
so back to my point: just send the original that says to daven to the rebbe what proof do you have that such a things exists? all you tell me is that it was in the older print so get me it! just bologna
the basic idea of chassidus is ahdus hashem, this is yechida shebinefesh, this is a very very deep concept, when moshiach comes this will be seen with ones eyes, now who can – thru learning chassidus which explains this concept and contemplating in depth on this idea – come to such a recognition, every person according to his level and amount of time and effort he devotes to it, this is why chassidim learned chassidus for hours before davening and then davened for hours, some chassidim davened on shabbos or even during the week for the entire day to be able to see with the עיני השכל the g-dliness in everything more and more.
the more a person internalizes achdus hashem, it refines his midos
so its very diifremt then musar. no reaon to argue about this, just learn a few sifrai chassidus maybe
תניא, דרך מצותיך, תו”א ולקו”ת
if these seforim are too deep for a beginer, there are shiurim on them, or learn the first 4 volumes of likutai sichos which bring these ideas down to simple people who never learned chassidus
so this is why the 9 most likeliest candidates to be moshiach are the baal shem tov, maggid, alter rebbe, mitiler rebbe, tzemach tzedek, rebbe maharash, rebbe rashab, frierdiker rebbe, the rebbe.
now dont bring me any rav this or that who says moshiach cant be from the dead, thats a different discussion, the idea is that this is what moshiach will do – he will teach chassidus!i didnt see those words there.
so the rebbe is explaining about asking about asking תיקונים
then the rebbe brings the zohar of ישראל אורייתא וקוב”ה כולא חד
and the rebbe brings other examples of this concept from zohar, tanya and in the haara from yerushalmi.
so youre attack is the the zohar is apikorsos? or the yerushalmi? only bavli is torah?
(i didint have time right now to learn the whole sicha, but i did in the past, i never remembered this claim from this sicha, i guess when you learn לקנטר you understand different)
i did’nt understand if what you posted was the original print or subsequent?moshiach told the baal shem tov (keser shem tov סימן א) when he asked him when he’s coming “when you’re learning with be spread and be revealed in the world and your wellsprings will be spread to the outside”
moshiach is someone who has the neshama called יחידה הכללית, he will teach the level in torah called יחידה. which is chassidus – chassidus is a taste of תורתו של משיח.
(ראה קונטרס ענינה של תורת החסידות)
and i wont even bother with the people who don’t beleive in the baal shem tov, he learned torah straight from achiya hashiloni and moshiach himself, so….mr avirah – ya the original before he took it out? can you send me a copy? link a pdf?* or its just one of those things he heard from your classmate in school? anyway as i explained, learn chassidus before critisising anyone. learn tanya perek 2, perek 10, it says there the same concept besides for the davening part which is made up bologna by snags.
its so funny how the misnagdim dont have any מ”מ for what they say, and the lubavitchers (or ones who defend lubavitch) and have black and white מ”מ, but still the misnagdim claim only they learn torah and chabad dosent, they just learn tanya and do mivtzoim.
i guess the litvaks after learning a few sugyos of lumdos, can argue with any agadah, medrash, zohar, shulchan aruch harav, (after all the baal hatanya didn’t leatn reb chayim or reb baruch ber, he was from before matan torah – as i heard from a litvak)so for all the great gedolim paskening 1) not washing שלש סעודות – just learn shulchan aruch או”ח סימן רצא which brings shitos you dont need to wash, many posking hold you can be yotze with even fruit. see also פס”ד צ”צ. (you can see all the מ”מ in the shulchan aruch harav printed by kehos.)
2) eating before davening ראה שלחן ערוך הרב סימן פ”ט סעיף ה (וש”נ)
3) sukkah – just look in hilchos sukkah (שו”ע הרב סימן תרלט סעיף ח-ט)
basically all these attacks are ignorance
and so is the idea of עצמות ומהות מלובש בגוף (which i amagine wasnt the worlds of the rebbe, the rebbe spoke in yiddish, this quote was not edited by the rebbe (not in לקוטי שיחות) but the idea is that בקיצור נמרץ:
the נפש אלקית is חלק אלק ממעל ממש, torah and mitzvos reveal the neshama, by a tzadik who reavels his neshama completly and has nothing left of his nefesh habihamis, all thats left is his נפש אלקית. (this does not mean hes g-d)
this is the most basic concept of chassidus, kabala and judasim. this is the idea of dirah bitachtonim, achdus hasham, moshiach, techiyas hamasim, schar eonesh,
one last point (for now) in chabad they learn chassidus for hours a day, in yeshiva – for 3 hours during seder (7 hours niglah btw) these are very deep concepts and need alot of time to have any understanding (thats why there are hundreds of seforim of sifrai chassidus)
its totally ridicules that someone who never learned any chassidus or learn a drop should come ask kashyos! first learn just one sefer chassidus chabad – and learn it the way you learn gemarah, make sure you understand every word, then start asking questions (you wont have any)tuna is a fish good point. to answer aviras tantrum. so people like him dont even know what the “official” attack on the sicha was, no one had any issue with that part of the sicha, if that would be the attack, he wouldnt able to convince any litvaks besides some amai haaratzim on the internet. im not going to explain the attack on the rebbe, but at least get the attack streight, then learn the sicha, or the other way around.
one interesting observation, about the rebbe, people needed to search and search, and finally they came up if something that 1) most of them dont know where its printed 2) most dont even know the words 3) most never even heard those terms (and have no clu what they mean) are because of that they attack the rebbe.
or they attack chabad about moshiach which most know nothing about, or sukh which is a chidush of the rogetchuver not the rebbe, the rebbe just quotes it (check the sicha)whereas other recital statements quoted by others they are just clear kefira. and apikorses
learn the sefer והדרת פני זקן, im pointing out that even though there are matirim, there are many many (robom) that hold it asur,
as apposed to no one hold its an oblogation to sit in kolel at all! you can go to work and learn perek ched shachris and arvis, even just krias shma is mikayem והגית בו יומם ולילה (sh”u hilchos masa umatan, and hilchos talmud torah)the first question is what is torah?
why did hashem give us torah?
why to yidden?
what is the tachlis of torah?
what is עם ישראל?
718-953-6100 – chassidus on the phone, press 1,1,4sounds like the yeshuva world! not the news, ch”v i mean the actuall yeshuva world – lakewood
mr avira de ara. yes, and by the way thats what alot of chassidus is – learning medrashim בעיון. just learn 10 maamerim and chances are it many of them are explaining medrashim.
youre gedolim tought you that torah was given לעשות שלום בעולם or the oppisite.
what about motzi shem ra? lashon hara, shkarim??
you believe in hashem? how can you say such apikorses?
learn some chassidus, and start derhering that there is a g-d, he loves every jew – including you.
and you should love every jew because every jew is g-d’s child.
the rebbe also loves you more than you love yourself, and he loves every jew even the biggest misnagdim who hated him.
so sad to see litvishe hashkofos – if only they tasted chassidus, טעמו וראו כי טוב הmr avira de ara.
youre gedolim tought you that torah was given לעשות שלום בעולם or the oppisite.
what about motzi shem ra? lashon hara, shkarim??
you believe in hashem? how can you say such apikorses?
learn some chassidus, and start derhering that there is a g-d, he loves every jew – including you.
and you should love every jew because every jew is g-d’s child.
the rebbe also loves you more than you love yourself, and he loves every jew even the biggest misnagdim who hated him.
so sad to see litvishe hashkofos – if only they tasted chassidus, טעמו וראו כי טוב הoh the the rambam in hilchos melachim – so the misnadim say “how can you compare the rebbe’s learning to david hamelech?”
answer: so the rambam holds (according to these am haaratzim asking the question, (just to note why dosent the rambam mention tchiyas hamasim? klutz, learn the sugya properly!) moshiach needs to be alive, who today alive is a closer talmid chacham to david hamelech?
question: maybe a hidden tzadik?
answer: so if there is a hidden tzaddik somewhere, whats wrong with saying, that the rebbe knew much more torah than you think he knows and is in fact like david hamelech
basiclly these complaints are totally ridicules – coming up if every stupid reason why the rebbe cant be moshiach, and even if so- bacause of that to call chabad kofrim ch”v? if they are mistaken, good,
every person who makes a mistake is a kofer?!yay, when are you turning 3?
avirah, sources? not “alot of sources” (no one can prove the rebbe wasnt from שלמה המלך, and even if not, just means that chabad can be mistaken, you cant hate them because of that. (its known (the יחוס is in the hakdama of the sefer היום יום) the baal hatanya was בן אחר בן from the מהר”ל who was בן אחר בן from שלמה המלך. but the צ”צ was a son of the daughter of the baal hatanya. and the rebbe is from the צמח צדק.so i dont know eaither way)
christianity nonsence? what that moshiach can be from the dead? what about the gemarah סנהדרין צח,ב
מן חייא הוא כגון רבינו הקדוש. אם משיח מאותן שחיים עכשיו ודאי היינו רבינו הקדוש דסובל תחלואים וחסיד גמור הוה כדאמרינן בבבא מציעא (דף פה.) ואם היה מאותן שמתו כבר היה דניאל איש חמודות שנדון ביסורין בגוב אריות וחסיד גמור היה והאי כגון לאו דווקא
just because christians beleive some thing dosent mean judaism hold the oppisite, alot of it (maybe most – i never studied it) comes from judaism, they believe in tanach also
rishonim? sources?
ןis the whole idea of moshiach and techias hamasim cancelled ch”v cuz christians believe it?mr avirah, learn the whole sugya – to point out 1) read the worlds you posted again – its referring to rabonim and people who teach torah 2) learn the shach on what you quoted. lean the whole sugya finished.
litvaks hold learning halacha is שלא לשמה only לשם כבוד is לשמהavaira, just learn the whole hilchos talmud torah with the noseh kelim, youre goint to point out every line, no need to explain, you seem to claim yourself as a ben torah.
to learn and live חיי צער is a great thing, its midas chassidus, there are many other things that are midas chassidus
i always wondered why some people are so machmir in some mitzvos, but such a basic easy mitzvah like not shaving, which many (almost all) poskim say is asur even with an electric shaver, they disregared?can someone please explain to me simply whats wrong to beleive that the rebbe is moshiach, or alive?
does it contradict a pusuk, mishnah, gemarah, medrash, zohar?
anyone?
or its just something people dont like? i dont like mustered so someone who likes mustered is a goy? chas vishalomwhat about rav shach and rav aharon? torah says not to believe in more than one g-d!!!!
so if they are g-d ch”v, then you can only believe inn onevery simple: the bnai torah spend years studying torah gemara, all the yeshiva and lomdishe misachtos, so even if they never learned or medrash or the agada of gemara, their intellect becomes automatically molded with daas torah, so whatever they think is emes, even if a gemara seemingly contradicts their daas torah, you have to answer the gemarah, not their holy daas torah, medrash? does avi ezri write a commentary on medrash? no, so why learn it.
these misnagdim (if they see the quote) wont even be able to read it they will think it says עצמות – bones cuz all they learns about in cows and meat,
dont get me wrong, learn shas baal peh all day etc. etc. but dont forget about פנימיות התורה.instead of hacking a tzinik and bringing stories why not just open a shulchan aruch – look in shulchan aruch harav hilchos talmud torah, there are different levels, in the begining of perek 3 he says
וכל מי שדעתו וכח זכרונו יפה, שיוכל ללמוד ולזכור כל התורה שבעל פה כולה, הרי זה לא ישא אשה עד שילמוד תחילה תורה שבעל פה כולה, שהן כל ההלכות בטעמיהן בדרך קצרה, שהן פירוש כל התרי”ג מצות בתנאיהן ודקדוקיהן ודקדוקי סופרים…….for those who want to check it up, its in shulchan aruch יורה דעה סימן רמו סעיף כא
it would be a good idea for the guys in bmg to learn hllchos talmud torah to see the way torah is meant to be studied in order that it shouldn’t be forgotten. many are able to learn כל התורה כולה before they get married like it says in shulchan aruch, or at least in the next few yrs but instead they spend a month on one blat gemarah learning every acharon, they hacking on every word, which even gedolim in the past generations like r’ shach spoke against.
sadly with this way of learning – torah is already forgotten.but the bigger problem is the culture that people feel pressured to stay in kolel even when they are just wasting their time
there is nothing wrong with going to work to supporrt your family, its actually a mitzvah. in shulchan aruch hilchos talmud torah it says someone who is able to work and instead learns torah and gets supprted from tzedaks is בזיון התורה. then there are those who stay in kolel just to look good and fit in, and dont even learn, just talk and talk, and hak a tzinik about politics, (i hope not worse). this idea is ridiculous.