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January 1, 2012 6:33 pm at 6:33 pm in reply to: real brisker is INCORRECT about mechalel shabbos #840512HaLeiViParticipant
You might have to start keeping Shabbos on Sunday if they mess with the date line.
HaLeiViParticipantSend the kids to him during the day.
HaLeiViParticipantA Yamaha has much nicer sound than a Casio. There is no reason to get a beginner an expensive keyboard. If you have long term ambitions, perhaps try to get something that has the ability for some custom beats.
HaLeiViParticipantThe Bach quotes, and therefore had, the Megillas Taanis. He deals with the Beis Yosef’s (and Re’em, Me’iri and Maharal’s) Kasha, and doesn’t mention Chinuch as even a viable Terutz. (Perhaps he had the Bavli’s manuscript!)
So, if you want to mention the fact that the cleanup took eight days, as a Terutz, I can’t stop you. But don’t knock the whole premise of the Kasha by saying what the Gemara, Rishonim and Poskim don’t say.
HaLeiViParticipantThe Bavli doesn’t mention Chinuch as A reason. The Bavli, obviously had the Megilas Taanis, too. It is constantly referenced. The Bach quotes it and so did the Ohr Zarua. The print that I downloaded is a very old one. There is no reason to think the Beis Yosef didn’t have it.
There is no mention in the Megilas Taanis of the Yom Tov being Zecher Lachinuch. The Ohr Zarua, who mentioned the MT in passing, suggests that the name Chanuka comes from Chinuch, but doesn’t call it the reason for Chanuka. He quotes the Gemara as the reason for Chanuka. Then he quotes the other part of the Megilas Taanis to show that they were busy for eight days.
There is no reason to celebrate the process of cleaning up, which is what the MT describes as the function of those eight days. Someone became excited upon bumping into the Megilas Taanis, which has been around for years, perhaps always, and decided that nobody had it and he now knows the REAL reason for Chanuka.
If you have to tell me that the Gemara only had the Raisha — which it quotes word for word — in order to protect a theory, it isn’t worth protecting.
The Tur had the Ohr Zarua, at least. And yet, he still says that the name Chanuka comes from Chanu Chaf Heh. That’s how insignificant the Chinuch aspect was to the Tur as to the essence of Chanuka.
January 1, 2012 1:37 am at 1:37 am in reply to: in response to the mechalel shabbos troll thread #840311HaLeiViParticipantSomebody was called a Mechallel Shabbos. Then, oops, hee hee, he’s not Mechallel Shabbos — oh, but he’s still a troll!
My goodness…
HaLeiViParticipantWhat does the Gemara mean by Shurayna D’eina Beliba Talya?
HaLeiViParticipantThe Zohar Hakadosh mentions understanding a person’s character by the shape of his head, nose, mouth and eyes. I’m not sure you would call that phrenology.
HaLeiViParticipantDerech Hamelech, it sounds like you got past Daas Tvunos.
HaLeiViParticipantGavra, that is very wrong. Are you saying that the Gemara, that quoted the Megillas Taanis, didn’t get it!? It takes something to argue with a Gemara.
As I pointed out on a different thread, if you read the Megillas Taanis you will see that it says that Chanuka was established because of the Ness of eight days. Then it continues to ask why the Chinuch was eight days, to which it answers that it simply took that long to repair everything.
The Ohr Zarua explains in the name of his Rebbe that the reason the Ness had to go on for eight days was because they were too busy repairing to be able to get new oil.
There is actually no reason to celebrate the repairing of the Beis Hamikdash. If anything you should celebrate the day after Chanuka.
HaLeiViParticipantBTguy, thanks and be my guest.
HaLeiViParticipantHealth and Adams, please start all over. You are at each other’s necks, and you’re not even arguing about much, other than who thinks what about the other.
MikeHall, if you really feel embarrassed when asked about it, just tell the person to check out any Frum website to see what the attitude of Chareidim are. That’s all.
There are fools who, whenever Muslim Terrorism is brought up, will mention Timmothy McVeigh. This can sometimes stump the non-fool. He will answer, well this is more and that is less — or some other great, convincing answer. The main point is, that a crazy’s main motivation is his crazyness, while the terrorist’s motivation is mainstream Islam. There are very very few Muslim condemnations of terrorism.
HaLeiViParticipantBowwow, that’s the way it’s done in my Shul.
HaLeiViParticipantBTguy, yes. That and palm reading are mentioned in the Zohar Hakadosh.
Graphology, as other analosys, is based on judgement. There are pointers which may mean a few things. They have to look at more than one factor and decide which way things are leaning.
HaLeiViParticipantThe CoffeeRoom has a different system, it seems. Your actual user name is mbachur. They changed the setting of what it should show here. Not necessarily would that affect the news section.
HaLeiViParticipantJothar, I had the same IP as “big fish”, since we both used the same mobile application that used the same proxy. Real-Brisker had it, too. In the past, I’ve been labeled on this site for as long as it took the staff to figure that out. Until that point my posts were manipulated to make me look dishonest. It has happened on this site a couple of years before that, as well — as “big fish” pointed out at the time.
HaLeiViParticipantWhy is everyone talking about me today?
HaLeiViParticipantCould they have done it without permission from YW? It says © on the bottom of the page.
HaLeiViParticipantThe odds of two people using the same proxy are actually pretty high. Please stop practising IPology, you’re not good at it.
HaLeiViParticipantWhen an argument goes round and round without any new points being brought up.
December 27, 2011 5:51 pm at 5:51 pm in reply to: question that will probably be controversial #841353HaLeiViParticipantIf it is expected then buy it.
December 27, 2011 1:27 am at 1:27 am in reply to: difficulty lighting the menorah – pls help #838422HaLeiViParticipantWhy are you having a hard time? Is the area drafty? Are the wicks covered with wax?
December 27, 2011 1:26 am at 1:26 am in reply to: difficulty lighting the menorah – pls help #838421HaLeiViParticipantI don’t think you make another Bracha, unless you have a significant Hefsek. You’ll have to consult LOR for verification and details.
If a Ner burned out you have two things going for you. First of all, you are already Yotze with the first one. Secondly, the Halacha is that as long as you lit it well in a way that it should burn for the half hour, then even if it goes out you were Yotze. We are Noheg to relight it but that is not the basic Halacha.
You are not allowed to put the candles out before the half hour. Putting them out to relight a candle would be doing what you shouldn’t do, without any gain.
HaLeiViParticipantI heard in the name of the Chazon Ish that although, technically, one who encountered real udaism cannot be considered a inuk henishba anymore, these days are different. People are brought up with anti-Torah sentiments and they an’t be blaimed for that.
As to this situation I’m in full agreement with Cinderella.
HaLeiViParticipantIf there are so many stickies, then they should be on the side.
HaLeiViParticipantAnd what ever happened to WolfishMusing’s great threads?
HaLeiViParticipantHealth, that’s a sobering thought. When we see you posting we know you are probably in middle of a surgery! So if someone here gets you mad it’s not only your own heart that starts pumping.
HaLeiViParticipantYeah, I figured it’s all just about “the troll”. It’s sounds pretty one-track minded to me.
I said, as did others, that you are Mechuyav to be Dan Lekaf Zchus and think up scenarios, or believe the ones that were given, and not to depend on certain proofs for such a terrible accusation. When you call that sticking up for a Mechalel Shabbos, and a personal attack against the accuser, does that not sound like a grinding ax?
December 22, 2011 5:16 pm at 5:16 pm in reply to: If somebody wants to work on their middos, where would you tell them to start? #838265HaLeiViParticipantAbba bar, Middos are Derech Eretz. What are you suggesting, to work on openning the door for someone before learning not to lose your temper?
December 22, 2011 5:13 pm at 5:13 pm in reply to: If somebody wants to work on their middos, where would you tell them to start? #838264HaLeiViParticipantI agree with ItcheSrulik, too. You’ll have to work on whatever it your current, workable challenge.
If you are completely raw, that you don’t have a single good Midda and no bad one sticks out, then work on Anava.
HaLeiViParticipantAries, I agree with what you say. In fact, I don’t really ‘blame’ anyone, because it is an attitude that is prevalent rather than a desire to medicate. Most people form their opinion based on their occupation. An economist will be able convince you that WWII was caused by bad economics and an anthropologist will be able to convince you that it was caused by the desire to dominate, or as an offshoot of evolutionary science. Therefore, while a therapist will try to talk and coach a psyciatrist will think of medicine very quickly.
For the past 100 years or so we’ve the approach that man controls all. It is only natural in this atmosphere not to refrain from interfering with the body or mind.
My complaint was about the sudden shift, from the refrain of blaming a doctor to the ease of blaming Rabbonim. It just flowed so easily, three posts in a row, and agreed to so readily.
HaLeiViParticipantHealth, I don’t have much opinion in your argument, but one thing is for sure: in any organization the attitude of the top gets passed down.
HaLeiViParticipantIn short, it is nice to offer and it is nicer to actually be thoughful. The former is not necessarily born of the latter.
HaLeiViParticipantThe Piyut leads up to the Ness of Chanuka. That is what we do in the Haggada. You don’t ask if the Haggada was really written for Yaakov’s Hatzala.
As to the tune, it very much matches the time period and location of the composer. It is not that different from the common Adir Hu and Almechtigger Gotte. In addition, you can see that the setup of the Piyut and the style of the tune were meant for each other.
Each paragraph consists of internal rhymes in the pattern of ABAB, BB, CC, B. The tune also starts with double, even phrases for ABAB, picks up and goes on at BB, makes an acception at CC, returning to B.
HaLeiViParticipantWhat a funny twist to a conversation. We’ll be Dan L’kaf Zchus all doctors, but Rabbonim…?
HaLeiViParticipantItcheSrulik, which Sefer did you see it in? A lot of Sefarim Chitzonim are forgeries, and obviously so. The extended version of Maase Yehudis is written so cheaply full of plagiarisms. But if what you saw was something reliable then perhaps the Paros were a Nedava Lezecher the Parei Hachag.
HaLeiViParticipantWhy shouldn’t you listen to Health? He’s a surgeon, I believe.
HaLeiViParticipantHe should say, but for her sake.
Technically, we know of the rule that Hanosen Matana Lachaveiro Tzarich Lehodio — if you give a freind a present you should let him know. However he would probably feel silly, as if he were trying to solicit a compliment. On the other hand, though, considering that this would give her burden of having to be on alert, and she feels terrible whenever she notices it too late, it would be kind of him to just let her know.
Sounds complicated?
HaLeiViParticipantHealth, OK. So I cut straight down, but I get a phone call. Do I have to re-scrub?
HaLeiViParticipantyoung, the Bach had it and so did the Or Zarua (a Rishon). We make a Bracha of She’asa Nisim on all eight days. That means that there was a Ness on all eight days. The Gemara explains Chanuka as only because of the Ness of the oil.
The Gemara was actually merely quoting the Megilas Taanis. The Megilas Taanis first says what the Gemara quotes, that Chanuka is because the Menora burned for eight days. Then it goes on to discuss why the Chinuch took eight days. It answers that it simply took that long to fix everything.
The Or Zerua explains that the reason they needed a Ness and couldn’t get fresh oil was because they were preoccupied with repairing the Klei Shareis, as the Megilas Taanis says. He also says that the name Chanuka comes from the fact that they were Mechanech the Mikdash. But the Yom Tov is only a Zecher of the Ness of the oil. “Period.”
By the way, Megilas Taanis was made by Tana’im. By the time the Amora’im came around it was already Batul, besides for Chanuka and Purim.
HaLeiViParticipantItcheSrulik, the most it could have been was a Braysa. Kesuvim was closed.
How can they bring Parei Hachag not in its time? Why didn’t they bring the Musaf for Rosh Hashana and Yom Kippur, too?
Lebidik, I believe that was PBA’s Terutz.
HaLeiViParticipantYeah, but you knew you can whip out your BB and go to iDaven.
HaLeiViParticipantWhy do you ask how I know? I didn’t make any sting operation on them. That is their claim to fame. They call themselves integrated doctors.
I wasn’t trying to play up the bribing issue. It was in the news, and I have no idea how many doctors were involved and how terrible their actions were.
What I say about trigger happy doctors is based people I know, no great national study. But the large amount of medicated youngsters does point to over-drugging.
HaLeiViParticipantHealth, I share your sentiments regarding the all-doctors-are-crazy mantra. However, those two doctors you mentioned are, in fact, conventional doctors, as well. When you go to someone like that you know that he won’t ignore real medical needs.
Your mention of the life span of past years doesn’t really tip the scale. Nobody is trying to discredit the benefits of anti-biotics or surgery. Also, most alternative methods being given attention to weren’t around all these years. They are mostly new age stuff. In the past, people weren’t aware of what to keep away from.
Now I’ll agree that there is no tested way of knowing which alternative method works best, other than hearsay. And of course, you shouldn’d trade in going to a doctor for drinking Indian cow tea. But, if people were more open minded we would get the benefits of everything.
Conventional medicine has it’s limitations when it comes to auto-immune disease and other non-physical ailments. Perhaps Chinese medicine, One-brain, imagery, or who knows what else should be explored.
HaLeiViParticipantI heard of this accusation about companies bribing doctors, but that’s not really what this is about. I don’t think of the doctors as mean spirited. It is just a prevalent attitude that medicine is the best solution. I know of several such instances and I’m acquainted with the mindset. It is a known fact that your kid would get Ritalin for any slight inconvenience in discipline. When you see that half of our youngsters are on one medicine or another what does that tell you, that evolution failed?
December 20, 2011 4:11 pm at 4:11 pm in reply to: If you don't like this thread, don't read it #982861HaLeiViParticipantZeesKite, ever since that episode with the outlet, you seem to be enthralled with short circuits.
HaLeiViParticipantReal, now I’ll get real. I think we all understand your point of view, but we think that you don’t really get where the OP is coming from. You won’t be able to understand unless you want to.
Any time a point is brought to light it seems magnified. When you notice a small design on furniture after owning it for three years, someone spent time contemplating exactly how to draw it. There is a ong way from being ungrateful to personally being upset about the eggshell in the pie.
Another point is that it is a wonderful thing to start aa Chesed organization. But once it is up people aren’t supposed to be made to feel like Shnorers. That would defeat the purpose.
HaLeiViParticipantReal, you brought an extreme case to prove your point. So, how about a different scenario:
Yankel: Moshe, are you driving to Monsey?
Moshe: Sure. You want to come along?
Yankel: I was going to drive, but if you offer, I’ll take you up on it.
(an hour later)
Yankel: So when are you going?
Moshe: Oh! Yeah, in about 20 minutes.
(another hour)
Yankel: So when are you going? I’m going to miss the whole thing. I could have gone myself. Just let me know if going. If not, I’m leaving.
Moshe: Hey, I offered you a ride. Calm down. I told you, I’m leaving soon.
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Moral: Beggars can’t be choosey.
December 19, 2011 4:55 pm at 4:55 pm in reply to: kashrus horror stories (2 help us realize the severity) #836526HaLeiViParticipantPopa, the Halachos weren’t really written as instruction for mass production. To depend on a very litteral Yotze Venichnas, when you know that that is not really the situation it was said about, is stretching the Halacha to its limit. It became a situation where the workers are the Baalei Batim and the Mashgiach is Mirsis.
HaLeiViParticipantI think the main lesson to learn is that if you go to a electrician he’ll tell you you need fresh wiring, a contractor will blaim the rotting beams, your Mashgiach will blaim your Shmiras Hasdorim, an eye doctor will find your stomach ache in your retina, and a podiatrist can prescribe new shoes for you appendicides. A Psychiatrist prescribes medicine and a therapist gives therapy. Seldom will someone tell you that the problem lies in someone else’s field. Not nessecarily because of haughtiness. They just look within their own specrum to find the solution.
To Health and Aries: It is unfair to try to shift blaim on a patient who relied on a doctor. Since you are in the field you know what to look out for and what a doctor will or won’t tell you. But it is very narrow to expect everyone else to have known what your experience taught you.
It sounds like when you visit a government building for the first time and the employees laugh at you for not knowing your way around. Believe me, it is a common reaction. I often see this in any business that a new customer gets mocked for not having worked at the place for ten years. Now that I point it out, please take heed and respond accordingly and thoughtfully to someone who feels like a victim.
Besides, when someone is hurt or suffering, that is not the time for rebuke, even if it would be deserved.
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