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You’re not answering the question: what percentage of people wearing baseball caps do you think are doing so because they find themselves in such a situation?
Welcome, Mobe613, yossibroch, and sharp!
RD:
What percentage of people wearing not-frum looking clothing do you think are in actual mortal danger?
SF:
I don’t see how somebody who does not believe in the ikkarim of Judaisim can not be an apikores. But I’m no halachic authority, so you probably shouldn’t take my word for it.
VM:
If somebody you completely trust tells you that a particular event occurred, your certainty is no less than it would be if you could logically prove that the event happened. The end result is the same: you believe/know that this event did indeed happen. And that, IMHO, is what matters.
“And what distinguishes the guy who thinks that he can reconcile the scientific and Torah accounts of creation? Even if he’s wrong, as long as he doesn’t know he’s wrong, he thinks he knows that he believes in the Torah version.”
Ein hachuh nami. As long as he is reconciling science to the Torah and not vice versa I don’t see any problem, even if the reconciliation doesn’t actually work.
No, he’s not a rasha because li’halacha you are allowed to steal to save a life.
I think that the vast majority of people wearing baseball caps/sweatshirts are doing it for perfectly innocent reasons, but I also think that there are indeed times when people wear such clothing in order to “not be Jewish”, and that doing so is highly inappropriate.
Also, mobe613 has been nothing but serious and civilized, and there is no reason for such angry and abusive responses. If you disagree, feel free to let us know; but try to match mobe’s courteous tone.
shnitzy:
Alright, shnitzy, you have a point. Perhaps the OP blew this problem slightly out of proportion. I’m sorry to hear that you’re so disturbed. You are justified in feeling disturbed. And I am justified for thinking that you are slightly quacked for picking such a trivial thing to be disturbed about. Seriously, there are many worse problems in the frum world to flip out about. Why, of all things, is THIS topic so close to your heart?
PBA:
True, Yaakov had feelings for Ruchel before they got married, but (as the mod nicely pointed out) that doesn’t mean that that must always be the case; feelings can and often do develop later on.
sharp, someone who stole to survive did nothing wrong.
VM:
1: True, there is definitively more to it than just the Ani Maamans. However, I was answering in light of the OP.
2: I did not say that emuna pishutah is better than knowing both the questions and answers (I believe it is a rather large machlokes; check out the introduction to Shaar Hayichud in the Chovos Halevavos), only that it is definitely considered emuna.
3/4: Again, I am not opining on how and why one should believe the ikkarim, only that one must do so.
5: Says you. I think that belief is, well, belief. If I ask you if you believe that the 13 ikkarim are true, you must be able to honestly answer in the affirmative. How you get to that certainty is up to you.
6: So this guy doesn’t actually believe, he only believes that he has to believe? I don’t think that would be sufficient; you have to actually believe the ikkarim are true.
I’m not claiming that this is the only way to learn up emuna/apikursus, but this is how I’d define it.
Fair enough.
Again, it very well might have been a good idea to propose such a comprise when the Chareidim had political influence, but at this point in the game I don’t think it would solve the issue.
“I read about this awhile ago -is they (some Charedim) were talking to Jordan about moving there & establishing a Yishuv.”
Really? Could you provide a link?
Mammele:
YB is too sincere and not in-your-face enough to be a troll. Let him be.
daniela:
“I’ll make sure to hire one at the next available opportunity.”
I have a feeling you’re about to get one for free… right haifagirl?
GAW:
1: Don’t get me wrong; I am by no means saying that the Chareidm are completely at fault for this whole mess, only that they should have realized that they wouldn’t be able to get free money forever.
2: “The offer would (obviously) be conditioned on not enforcing the draft.”
Who’s enforcing the condition, Lapid?
GAW:
1: Definitely the Chareidim’s.
2: Yeah it does, because they’ll just take us up on our offer, and then proceed to do whatever they were going to do anyways. It’s never smart to give ammo to your enemy.
crdle:
I’m sorry, I didn’t get that. What’s not so true?
VM:
1: The 13 Ani Maamans would probably be a good start.
2: Better.
3: I would imagine he’s alright since at the end of the day he believes everything he should, but I’m not positive.
4: Definitely.
5: I don’t see how he would be different from any other apikores.
6: How is this different from 4?
Lapid.
If somebody is a complete apikores, I’m pretty sure he may not be the sha”tz or receive an aliya. However, I’m not sure what the din is if he merely isn’t sure about one of the ikkurim.
mdd:
We could’ve all moved to America and been safe and sound.
MDG:
Nitpick all you want, but the fact is that the Arabs have put in a lot more effort (and therefore, have unfortunately been lot more successful) in the killing of Jews in the 65 years since the 1948 than they were before then.
RD:
“What about all the Mizrahim and Sephardim who suffered under the Arabs and Ottomans for years?”
Again, I’m not saying that living under the Arabs was paradise. However, before 1948 they were not starting wars with the explicit intent of “driving all the Jews into the sea”, and they were not killing even close to 14,000 Jews every 65 years. I’m not saying that things between us and the Arabs used to be great, only that the founding of the Medina has made it a whole lot worse.
GAW:
Perhaps if the Chareidim had offered that at an earlier point, things would not have gotten to where they are now. But the way things are now, Lapid/Bennet will not be satisfied with a mere cutting of funds. They are out for blood.
MDG:
Even today, Hamas and Hezbollah are actively seeking Israel’s destruction.
mdd:
“Kanoi, are you for real? The unemployment programs are meant for people who are trying to support their families by working but have fallen on hard times”
Not in a socialist country. In a socialist country, entitlements are for everyone besides the rich.
“Daniela, I am not moichel on your manipulative abuse. Remember,there is din and Dayan.”
Wow. You have been sitting here hurling hysterical abuse at anyone and everyone who disagrees with you (and daniela in particular) for the better part of three days, and now that somebody else gave you a little attitude you’re “not moichel” them?! Seriously?
GAW:
“If the Charaidim would offer to stop taking any money and “opt out” of the state in return for being left alone, the non-Charaidim would take it in a heartbeat.”
That’s just not true. Lapid wants to draft everybody, whether they take government money or not. Also, he’s not satisfied with cutting the funds of those who don’t report for the draft; he wants them arrested.
Yserbius123:
“Kanoi: Of course more Yidden died in Israel since 1948 than the 100 years before. There were more Yidden in Eretz Yisroel!”
What about all the Sephardi communities scattered throughout Arab lands; how did they survive before the IDF? True, the Arabs weren’t our best friends, but at least they weren’t committed to our destruction as they are now.
mdd, last I checked most civilized countries today have entitlement programs for their unemployed. If I’m not mistaken, Britain’s entitlements are particularly generous.
And what is this Chillul Hashem you keep going on about? How on earth is any of this a Chillul Hashem?
zdad:
You claim that in a 101 year, span 201 Jews were killed and a Jewish neighborhood was destroyed by the Arabs. True. But in the 65 years since the creation of the State of Israel, between 13,171 and 14,657 Jews were killed in the various wars, and just about every Sephardi community throughout the Middle East was expelled, left with nothing besides what they could carry (and then suffered a spiritual holocaust at the hands of the Zionists).
There was violence against the Jews by Muslims before the founding of the Medina, but it cannot be compared to the amount of violence that we have unfortunately seen since then.
mods, what happened to my other comment? It got through the first time, then I edited it to fix a spelling mistake, and it never got re-posted.
zdad:
Believe it or not, Jews and Arabs lived together in relative peace for hundreds and hundreds of years. The many Sefardi communities are living proof of that. The Arabs only started really hating us after 1948 and the founding of the State of Israel.
Zdad, from the wikipedia article on the assassinated representative of the Agudah, De Haan:
“He endeavoured to get an agreement with Arab nationalist leaders to allow unrestricted Jewish immigration into Palestine in exchange for a Jewish declaration foregoing the Balfour Declaration.”
Mods, I’d like to request a subtitle change… for popa
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/come-with-popa#post-443008
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/come-with-popa#post-443275
Really? I thought that “hers” at the end was for sure wrong somehow.
RD:
Meah Shearim was around before the Medina came into existence. If somebody should leave, it should be the Medina. The Zionists do not (or at least, should not) have an exclusive claim to the land.
mdd:
You are insisting on looking at one small piece of a much bigger picture. True, if Israel was still under British control the Chareidim would not have a legitimate claim to be exempt from the draft. But there wouldn’t be a draft to be exempt from, because there wouldn’t be any Hamas to fight. Therefore, it would have been better for the Chareidim if the State of Israel never come into existence, as they desired at the time. So you can hardly say we owe the state a tremendous moral debt of gratitude.
Oh, and screaming hysterical insults at the entire Chareidi population doesn’t make you or your position seem any more intelligent.
Never – its chukas hagoy.
Kidding, I’m just living up to the Kanoi in my name.
snowbunny, I really feel for you. Let us know what happens, and if there’s any way we can help.
WIY:
Good point.
The vast majority of people are above average. The rest just aren’t living up to their potential.
I have heard similar stories of people bringing their girlfriends, ipods with movies, etc. into nachal “chareidi” units. Can’t say I blame the Chareidim for not wanting to be a part of that.
Well, anybody posting in this topic clearly enjoys the “shmoozies”…
Zdad, I fully agree.
VM:
You seem to be suggesting that the actions of a person are in no way influenced by the situation in which he finds himself; he will either always do good or always do bad. I don’t believe that that is true. We all have both a yetzer hara and a yetzer hatov, and the exact circumstances (for example, what is easier) of the moment will very often be the deciding factor in which one we choose. The harder it is to do something wrong, the less likely it is that someone will do it.
I do not believe that the internet sends anybody off the D; I believe it enables people to harm themselves in ways and to a degree that otherwise would not be possible. Guns do not kill, but they enable people to kill who otherwise would not have been so able.
snowbunny, did they kick you out of the dorms? Do you have somewhere to stay?
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The phone call could have been from a somebody in a situation even more dire than hers.
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Laugh all you want, but I personally know people who developed serious issues with their Yiddishkeit due to the internet (and none due to GPS). All the sarcasm in the world isn’t going to make these problems disappear.
VM:
“I’m talking about times where there is not much halacha, if any, about it. Like during Kabolas Shabbos.”
While it is true that there in nothing li’halacha wrong with talking during kabbalas Shabbos, it still isn’t very nice to the people who are trying to daven. You can always talk outside.
“Also, people need to be aware that there can be conflicting ideals; even when one ideal is clear and the other is nebulous. “Frummer” is not always better. In some (many? most?) situations, it might make more sense to not be medakdek k’chut hasaarah on a minhag tov even if it’s written in hilchos beis hakneses; if it means making people uncomfortable.”
That is 100% true, but it (like pretty much everything) can’t be applied everywhere. I cannot force my chumra upon you, but I also don’t have to be meikel where I don’t want to so that every last person in the world feels comfortable in my shul. Different shuls (and schools) are catered to different crowds; they do not have to compromise on their standards for other people’s sake.
Guys – its a machlokes. Simple as that. Ask your Rov.
(And there’s definitely no need to disparage anyone else here.)
fkelly:
Why is calling something or someone “retarded” any different than calling it/them “crazy”?
jbaldy, you argue that Facebook can be used in a “kosher” way. While that may be true, it does not take away from the fact that Facebook facilitates all sorts of anything but kosher activities, and that there are plenty of horror stories where Facebook is indeed to blame. The argument that it can be used in a kosher way does not take away from the damage can do, and has done, when it is not used correctly.
snowbunny, pushing yourself to be more successful is great but (IMHO) it should be done in a way that makes you feel confidant and capable. Don’ put yourself down.
Acceptable collateral damage. And as golfer pointed out, it shouldn’t last too long.
“Wife wants to kill me.”
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“perhaps a woman”
Time for a subtitle change?
shuli:
I also have a problem. It’s called a zman kriyas shema problem.
This morning, I was really, really not in the mood of getting up. But I had to, to make zman kriyas shema.
Why do I have to get up everyday of my life at 8 when women can sleep till 11 on their days off? Why do I have to go to shul and daven with a minyan every day of my life when the women can just daven in any old corner, if they decide to daven at all? Why do guys have yeshiva from 7-11, 5 days a week, for about 9 years while girls are home by 4 and get sundays off? Why do I have to worry about supporting a family, not my wife?
Its not fair!
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Life isn’t fair. (And the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence.)
Well said!
-That mod was obviously a male 🙂
takahmamash:
I just love it when people pretend its a complete mystery what Hashem wants from us. You know, we did get a pretty specific set of instructions at Har Sinai.
In honor of Purim:
Q: Should one get drunk on Purim?
YCTA:
Of course not; it’s frowned upon by society. But here’s a (arguably) halachic excuse:
It can’t be that we have a chiyuv to wipe out the nation Amalek; it isn’t nice. It must be that Amalek is only a metaphor for the selfishness and close-mindedness inside of us, which is what we must wipe out. And if Amalek isn’t real, Haman can’t either be real. So the story of Purim must be only a symbolic metaphor, much like the story of Bireishis. Therefore, we should only get figuratively drunk off the sheer joy of our open-mindedness.
Q: But isn’t getting drunk brought down li’halacha by rov Rishonim and the Shulchan Oruch?
YCTA:
So what?
Anyway, we hold that the halacha will be like Beis Shammai after Moshiach comes because B”S was smarter then B”H. Now that we have the Medinah it is clearly considered the zman of Moshiach, and according to Darwin’s theory of evolution people keep getting smarter, so we’re smarter than the Shulchan Oruch and the Rishonim. Therefore, we can decide what the Halacha is without giving a flying hoot as to what everyone else has paskened over the past thousand years. Zeh klal gadol bi’YCT.