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ubiq: Currently both Russia and Ukraine claim Crimea is their own sovereign territory. If Ukraine joins NATO today, any escalation of this territorial dispute can result in military conflict, which would automatically invoke Article 5 of NATO’s mutual defense pact, obligating the US and all NATO members to defend Ukraine against Russia.
As far as your second point about the fluidness of European borders, if your attitude is simply “Things change” and “in 1954 Crimea became part of Ukraine. Shoin! fertig Mazel Tov”, then presumably you’re being consistent and also saying “in 2014 Crimea became back part of Russia again. Shoin! fertig Mazel Tov.” And, even, in 2022 Kiev might become part of Russia, Mazal Tov!
Right?
Rav Bleich shlita”a
ubiq: “Only someone extremely delusional can argue Ukraine poses a threat to Russia. THAT is the discussion.”
A Ukraine that is part of NATO can be considered threatening to Russia. Let’s take the following example to illuminate this point. Crimea was part of Russia for centuries until the Ukrainian dictator of the USSR simply transferred Crimea from Russia to Ukraine unilaterally in 1954. After the breakup of the Soviet Union in 1991, Ukraine simply kept Crimea. If Russia were to later contest Ukrainian sovereignty over Ukraine (as it did) on the basis that the 1954 transfer was illegitimate or that Crimean residents are vast majority ethnic Russians who prefer that their province be part of Russia, such a dispute between Russia and Ukraine is a far greater national security threat to Russia if Ukraine will have NATO, including a nuclear US, UK and France, militarily defend Ukraine against Russia.
ubiq: “Only someone extremely delusional can argue Ukraine poses a threat to Russia. THAT is the discussion.”
A Ukraine that is part of NATO can be considered threatening to Russia. Let’s take the following example to illuminate this point. Crimea was part of Russia for centuries until the Ukrainian dictator of the USSR simply transferred Crimea from Russia to Ukraine unilaterally in 1954. After the breakup of the Soviet Union in 1991, Ukraine simply kept Crimea. If Russia were to later contest Ukrainian sovereignty over Ukraine (as it did) on the basis that the 1954 transfer was illegitimate or that Crimean residents are vast majority ethnic Russians who prefer that their province be part of Russia, such a dispute between Russia and Ukraine is a far greater national security threat to Russia if Ukraine will have NATO, including a nuclear US, UK and France, militarily defend Ukraine against Russia.
“We just gave NATO the GREEN LIGHT to grow even larger and stronger.”
Russia made very clear they’ll go to war against former Soviet states (Ukraine, Georgia) that attempt to join NATO — before they actually join.
“There about ten FORMER member states of the Soviet Union already participating in NATO”
There’s only three. The rest were Warsaw Pact states but not Soviet states.
Donald Trump has been the most Jews friendly president since Washington.
Crossing the street in middle of the block is, also, technically illegal. You’re supposed to walk 1,000 feet to the corner of the avenue, even if there’s no cars coming within eyesight.
The main point to know is that Putin felt very comfortable invading Ukraine in 2014, under Obama, and again now in 2022, under Biden. Between 2017 and 2021, under Trump, he didn’t dare invade.
BY1212/OP: Excellent points. (I don’t agree with every detail you mentioned, but overall the vast majority of what you pointed out is accurate.)
For every GOP antisemite there are at least ten Democrat antisemites. The Congressional Black Caucus is majority antisemites. And that’s not even counting real antisemites like Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, etc who the Democrat Party officially honors, fetes and caters to. The Democrat Party is institutionally antisemitic. And their antisemites are overall bigger antisemites. And more dangerous, since unlike the Republicans, the Democrats empower their antisemites.
Charlie is a Avi Weiss adherent.
Ghadora: It is halachicly prohibited to read kefira.
funnyone: I thought Zionist Israel automatically accepts any and all Jews at any and all times.
Russia has a lot more Jews than Ukraine.
The idea of an “ethnic Ukrainian” is relatively very new.
NATO expansion since the 1990s and on was an error. There was no serious benefit to the US to expand the US guarantee of protecting additional countries. All it did was antagonize Russia.
If Russia needs to return Crimea to Ukraine, Kosovo needs to be returned to Serbia and Eastern Jerusalem and Emmanuel, Israel needs to be returned to the Arabs.
Crimea has historically been part of Russia for hundreds of years. It was *never* part of Ukraine until Soviet Dictator Nikita Khrushchev, who is Ukrainian, unilaterally transferred it from Russia to the Ukraine in 1954. It was, at the time, merely a paperwork transfer with little effect since both were part of the Soviet dictatorship.
And Russia is absolutely correct that Ukraine was never in history an independent country, other than for a few weeks during a self-declaration by certain war lords during the Russian Revolution in 1917. Never before or since until the Soviet disintegration.
Also note that the US has a credibility problem in opposing recognizing a declaration of sovereignty by a unit of another country’s territory. The US recognized the declaration of independence of Serbia’s Kosovo province. So it looks insincere for it to now oppose Russia’s recognition of independence of parts of the Ukraine.
Note that Putin felt comfortable invading Ukraine under Obama in 2014 and now again under Biden in 2022. During the Trump Administration, Putin didn’t dare invade.
Ghadora, are you sure you aren’t the old sammygol?
What’s the difference between a lawyer and a jellyfish? One is a spineless, poisonous blob. The other is a form of sea life.
Avira, I think TrueBT used the wrong source but his underlying point is otherwise correct. A better source is the Halacha that a wife is obligated to “honor her husband to an extreme degree and the fear of him should be on her and she should do all her deeds according to what he says and he should be in her eyes as a ruler or king. She should orient her activities according to that which he desires…” Rambam (Hilchos Ishus 15:20)
CNN is full of falsehoods.
In the alte heim many Goyim knew enough Yiddish to speak to us with.
rw: smallpox was far deadlier and its vaccine was far more a lifesaver than the Covid vaccines.
Inheriting wealth is a very old phenomenon. Nothing new about that at all.
America is a rich country.
RW: The smallpox vaccine literally saved tens of millions of people.
Reb Eliezer, how long ago was that? How does she know the drug was the cause? And did you mean to say non-brand name?
Smallpox vaccine was one of the best.
Apparently Charlie is getting impatient with Elizabeth hanging around so long. So he gets Covid and quickly infects his mother, in a not so apparently attempt to bring about his elevation to King and his wife’s coronation as Queen Camilla.
All this shortly after Lizzie announced she wants Camilla to utilize the title of Queen Consort rather than deferring to use merely Princess Consort, as previously announced upon her marriage (when sensitivities to the immoral Diana were still raw enough not to want to offend the British press with the idea that Camilla will be Queen, something Diana was [rightfully] denied.)
Chaplain and Rebbetzin, vus macht ah Yid?
Can you explain what concern you have with learning in Kollel with mostly Eretz Yisroel’dika Yidden?
Makes sense. Goyishe languages use far worse terms. By Yidden animals are not considered to be human’s friends, like they Goyim treat certain animals.
Television was one of the worst inventions until the Internet came out and outranked it as worse.
Covid is transmitted through bowling shoes?
Why do you ask?
She should have been awarded a medal for eliminating a criminal.
CA: “It’s like the same with religion, every religion is taught to believe their’s is true and the others are false”
Do you have even the slightest of doubts that Torah Judaism is absolutely and completely true whereas every other religion is totally and irredeemably false? If not, why did you make that comparison?
I’m much closer to the Democrat Party’s position on gun control than the Republican position.
Chanania: The OP was posted in 2008, not 2022. (That’s an almost 14 year old CR post.)
The their “mainstream” left-wing media complex, from (and especially) the New York Times (1619 Project, etc), Washington Post, NBC, CBS, ABC, etc have ALL been obsessed with race. They ALL racialize EVERY issue and story that has nothing to do with race.
Why would a woman be traveling alone??
SDD, health and life and death emergencies, such as the spread of viral diseases can override constitutional rights.
The Republican Party is doing quite fine, thank you. They will soon be celebrating a great midterm victory.
On the other hand, the Democrat Party would be appropriately renamed to the Communist Party.
Yseribus, I said evidence. I understand your or your loved ones dabbling in their business side ended in failure. 4 out of 5 new businesses fail. A failed restaurant doesn’t mean the restaurant business is bad. A failed retail outlet doesn’t mean the retail business is bad. Your experience isn’t necessarily indicative of others. They’ve been in business for many decades and certainly some are successful. Personally, I would never become a salesman of their products. But I’d never open a restaurant, either.
If you have evidence otherwise submit your evidence rather than theories or experiences. So far none has been offered.
In any event, all I’m asking about is the quality of Melaleuca’s consumer products. Nothing to do with doing business with them. If anyone has insight into the quality of Melaleuca’s products, please do share it.