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“Then they should have put out a kol korei that all nice shaitels from the last 20 years should be thrown out.”
You should address your criticism of these Gedolei Poskim to them, rather than to the public.
Why would it be “chas v’shalom”? There’s nothing wrong likening one mitzvah to another mitzvah.
“But the poskim who are assering now didn’t asser 10-15 years ago!!”
Oh, yes, they did.
DY, do you imagine that the poskim you’re claiming would be mattir a shaitel where the length of the hair reach her ankles?
“Okay. That has nothing to do with whether lace shaitels are assur.”
Sure it does. A person can be completely untzniusdik even if technically any single aspect of their attire isn’t a direct written violation. Same with lace. In addition to whatever other halachic objections there are, it’s also untzniusdik based on the presentation alone, even absent other written objections.
Philosopher, Yasher Koach. You’re able to express the point much better than myself.
“A married woman with the appearance of being bareheaded is just as inherently untznius as that other appearance.”
A married woman actually going in public bareheaded is untznius, as I’m sure you’d agree. As such, the comparison is spot on, since her appearing as bareheaded is comparable to her appearing in that full body dress/suit.
“Silly comparison, because that appearance is inherently untznius, whereas uncovered hair isn’t”
A married woman with the appearance of being bareheaded is just as inherently untznius as that other appearance.
DY, why can you not name any contemporary (choshuve) poskim that specifically discuss lace, and are mattir?
Zionists never apologize for their multitude of crimes against the Jewish people over the last 100 years.
Additionally, DY, you’re grossly misapplying Rav Moshe in a manner Rav Moshe never indicated, implied or said. Rav Moshe mattired a wig that looks like real hair or even is actually using real hair (as opposed to synthetic hair, which was what must sheitels used then.)
But Rav Moshe in no shape, manner or form implied, indicated or stated that a wig that doesn’t look like the person is wearing any head covering, and rather appears bareheaded, is permissible. That is a completely different creation/metzius/product than the natural hair wig Rav Moshe ruled upon. The wigs he is referring to can be seen as a wig, not appearing as bareheaded, by the public.
Whoever’s contemporarily mattir lace wigs (who are thus far unnamed, for some reason), how would their logic to be mattir give them any room to assur a full body dress/suit that makes the wearer look naked (even though they’re actually covered)?
Or would they actually be mattir??
DY, lace wigs didn’t exist during Rav Moshe’s lifetime and, thus, he didn’t opine on them.
“And the chance of being harmed by the vaccine is even smaller.”
So what? If the original risk is almost “non-existent”, why take another risk — even if it is “smaller”?
DaasYochid: There’s an outstanding question for you from Philosopher.
Everyone should respect other’s psakim and minhagim. Those that hold women can drive should respect those that hold women cannot. And those that hold women cannot drive should respect those that hold women can.
Rav Vozner paskens that women should not drive:
http://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=1414&st=&pgnum=9&hilite=
Reb Eliezer, which demonstrates you’re not allowed to be near a married woman whose hair is uncovered. (Including a lace wig, which her real hair is publicly visible under the lace.)
BT: The argument is the other vaccines underwent far far longer testing prior to approval. Including fertility testing.
“Also because their cases are generally more mild.”
That’s, essentially, the point. I’ve been specifically referring to severe cases, which the vaccine is designed to minimize. Mild cases occur often even with the vaccine.
Yseribus: About 46% of Americans aren’t fully vaccinated. About 35% of Americans aren’t vaccinated at all. That’s well over a hundred million people. If they’re very likely to get severe Covid, you should have had 50,000,000 Americans hospitalized from Covid, using your 30% over 6 months figure. That isn’t even close to the case, even over time.
Middletown is Yehupitsville, in Jewish terms.
There’s Gombos in South Fallsburg.
He isn’t the first or only non-Orthodox to post here.
And, still, no one has an answer to the issue that the woman’s real hair is publicly visible under the lace wig.
Yseribus: “@ujm Right now? Pretty likely. Especially if they hadn’t had COVID in over a year and they are in a place with low vaccination rates and don’t socially distance.”
If it was “pretty likely” that all unvaccinated healthy people will get a severe case of Covid, then all of America’s Emergency Rooms should today be overfilled at 25 times their capacities.
Obviously it is not pretty likely that a random unvaccinated person will get a severe case of Covid.
What is the likelihood of an unvaccinated healthy person getting a severe case of Covid?
“Does it still lower the total risk?”
For mild Covid, yes. For serious Covid there’s no evidence that it does (for recovered patients.)
“In Eretz Yisroel it’s common. If the evidence holds up for its benefit, it will become common here.”
In the UK it’s common for recovered Covid patients to skip the vaccine. Because evidence demonstrates they don’t need it.
2scents: Any more prevalent than a vaccinated individual who became infected and isn’t doing well?
P.P.P.S. The Biden Administration politicized the vaccination program by pushing it stronger than acceptable. By forcing recovered Covid patients and forcing children (!!!) to get the vaccine.
Even 12 year olds aren’t young enough for Biden. He’s pressuring the FDA to approve the vaccine for little kids, whose risk is minimal. (And the vaccine itself contains risks, especially for kids.)
P.S. I believe most people should get the vaccine. Since most people aren’t young and healthy or recovered from Covid.
P.P.S. It is extremely rare for a recovered Covid patient to get a severe case of Covid. Having recovered from Covid is for all practical purposes virtually at least as good as having been vaccinated.
“Not uncommon to get it again”
It’s not uncommon for vaccinated people to get Covid.
“vaccines have been proven to further reduce illness in recovered Covid patients.”
Booster shots have also been proven to further reduce illness in the vaccinated. Yet very few people got booster shots.
Mazal Tov on your upsherin.
“death is a common side effect, as well as serious mental and physical issues in some”
Actually, it is very uncommon in unvaccinated young healthy people. It is also very uncommon in unvaccinated people who previously recovered from COVID-19.
The parallel question necessary when asking the titled question is what are the risks of taking the vaccine.
The honest answer is that all the the risks aren’t yet known.
Avi, the measly amounts the Israeli government gives is far far less than what they steal… er, collect in taxes from the frum community.
And uch un vey for anyone to take a philandering drunkard like MLK as their role model.
And your differentiation regarding breaking the (based on what “one considers” the law) has no basis in the halacha of dina dmalchusa. It is at best a boich svara and at worst much worse.
The entire kehila needs to make a taanis if chas v’shalom such a thing happens. Anyone who was present at the time who physically cannot fast, should give a notable amount of Tzedaka instead.
I’ve seen the guy or bochor doing hagbah hit the ceiling (and leave a dent in it) or chandelier. But that’s about it.
Newer cars costs around $60 per oil change in NYC. And that’s for the standard oil.
Mr. Weiss is no more relevant than any other Reform/OO/Conservative clergyman.
L’havdil, President Bush would stand when speaking to his father, President Bush Sr.
Avira, how are people in America today any more in danger than the Yidden were for the last 2500 years in Europe or in Bovel?
Au contraire.
What you’re suggesting is a get out of jail free card for anyone, anywhere, that can always completely abrogate the Halacha.
Reb Eliezer, if the weather isn’t cold then bochorim (as well as married men who aren’t allowed to be with their wife) have no excuse, lchol hadeios, to not sleep in the Succah.
Mods, any idea why this thread isn’t showing up on the recent threads list, on the main page of the coffee room?
let me work on it…
Meir: Dina Dmalchusa only applies to monetary obligations to the State/government. Not to other individuals. The latter follow Choshen Mishpat, as you said.
The Ran in Nedarim paskens that dina dmalchusa is completely not applicable in Eretz Yisroel. For the very reason Avira mentioned. Since dina dmalchusa is only applicable in the first place since we need to repay the local king for his allowing us to live in his country, so we must pay his taxes, etc (dina dmalchusa). But every Jew has an automatic Torah right to live in Eretz Yisroel. It isn’t dependent on the local monarch’s permission or graciousness. Therefore, dina dmalchusa does not apply in Eretz Yisroel.
No one has still addressed the real outright halachic issue that the lace is parted and the lace is not lined, therefore you can see the woman’s real hair beneath the lace wig. Therefore, this wig doesn’t fully cover the hair.
How’s a lace wig different than going in public with uncovered hair?
Is there any limud zchus for non-married guys who r’l don’t sleep in the Succah?
Regarding married men, the discussion above got zapped. What’s the basis for the limud zchus and when is it applicable? What excuse is there for those it isn’t applicable for?
aIY: I don’t have the mekor offhand, but the OP is correct that dina dmalchusa is generally only applicable in issues regarding monetary obligations issued by the government.