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Reb Eliezer, Rav Moshe Meir Weiss shlita retired?
ujmParticipantBenignuman:
a) What evidential proof exists that the people spoken of by the Radbaz, Benjamin of Tudela, and Eldad HaDani are the same people today calling themselves Beta Israel?
b) What references do the Islamic and Christian sources you speak of say of of the Beta Israel, what dates are these Islamic and Christian documents and by what name do they reference the Beta Israel?
c) Where can the 1850 correspondence you reference be located and read, and what is the evidence of was written by the same group today calling themselves Beta Israel?
November 17, 2021 6:31 pm at 6:31 pm in reply to: Where Klal Yisroel will be in 100 years from now #2029939ujmParticipantCA:
“Will the men learn all day?”
Torah.
“What did the women do all day in the מדבר they didn’t need to clean, sew, or launder (the ענני הכבוד took care of that) they didn’t really need to cook (the מן) so what did they do?”
Tell me, please.
November 17, 2021 6:06 pm at 6:06 pm in reply to: Where Klal Yisroel will be in 100 years from now #2029938ujmParticipantCA:
“Will the men learn all day?”
Torah.
“What did the women do all day in the מדבר they didn’t need to clean, sew, or launder (the ענני הכבוד took care of that) they didn’t really need to cook (the מן) so what did they do?”
Tell me, please.
November 17, 2021 6:05 pm at 6:05 pm in reply to: The most unexpected place where you met yid. #2029934ujmParticipantIn North Korea.
ujmParticipantYou want to throw mussar out the window for most people??
ujmParticipantBenignuman: If a heretofore unknown group living in a remote African jungle came out and related to us their oral tradition, which they say they’ve passed down generation by generation for the last 2000 years, that they’re Jews who moved to Africa at the time of the Churban, would you accept their word and accept them as Jews/safek Jews?
What evidence and documentation exists *after* the Radbaz and Eldad HaDani until 100 years ago that connects the current group calling itself Beta Israel to the people the Radbaz or Eldad HaDani speak of?
ujmParticipantBoth.
ujmParticipantUmm, AAQ, the Falash Mura’s minhag is to use a cross by prayers.
ujmParticipantBenignuman: I’ll try to go through your older comments to address additional points, but if the Church only permitted Jews to use the New Testament would you argue that we should use it since we have nothing else? I’m pointing out that the Christian Old Testament is no less heretical than their New Testament.
What history is clearly documented (not presently orally testified) about this group’s religious history and practices and identification in the one hundred years prior to the formation of the State of Israel in 1948? And where have you seen such 1848-1948 sources?
ujmParticipantReb Eliezer, when’d you move to Staten Island?
ujmParticipantReb Eliezer, do the bochorim in Chasan Sofer today still daven Nusach Ashkenaz? 90% of the student body today is Chasidish.
ujmParticipantIs he the fellow who recently started a heavy PR campaign for his 5 minute Daf, with the video advertisement focusing on his making some entertaining motions?
ujmParticipantRY613: Can you sponsor a copy for me?
ujmParticipantOnly if Mr. Schottenstein funds it.
ujmParticipantThe Christian Old Testament the they used as their Bible is not Torah.
Indeed, if a Jew were to ever have a copy of it, he would need to discard it.
ujmParticipantCan anyone tell me how much is accomplished by the annual Shabbaton, where the idea is to invite a frei neighbor for Shabbos? How many Reform/Conservative/secular Jews actually show up on that annual Shabbos? And how many of those become observant?
November 16, 2021 10:33 pm at 10:33 pm in reply to: Where Klal Yisroel will be in 100 years from now #2029476ujmParticipantCA: The women and girls will be davening all day?
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rabbiofberlinNovember 16, 2021 8:11 pm at 8:11 pm in reply to: When will all Yidden finally have Achdus? #2029394ujmParticipantPeople can and appropriately do judge which are the greater rabbonim.
ujmParticipantDr. Pepper, mbachur is now coffee addict.
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kapustaujmParticipantReb Eliezer, Mattersdorf/Yeshiva Chasan Sofer davens Nusach Ashkenaz?
ujmParticipantYW Editor
ujmParticipantIn Yeshiva Chaim Berlin they wear a gartel and daven Ashkenaz.
ujmParticipantPapa is still angry at me for arguing in favor of parents and rebbeim giving children petch.
And for stalking him.
ujmParticipantPopa Bar Abba
SqueakujmParticipantWB RY.
November 16, 2021 9:54 am at 9:54 am in reply to: When will all Yidden finally have Achdus? #2028952ujmParticipantDaf Yomi certainly is one of the major accomplishments of modernity.
ujmParticipantReb Eliezer, many people are named both, like: Yehuda Aryeh Leib.
ujmParticipantYseribus: True. But the Republicans are, 99% of the time, the lesser of the two evils.
November 16, 2021 9:26 am at 9:26 am in reply to: Where Klal Yisroel will be in 100 years from now #2028874ujmParticipant“I thought ימות המשיח we’ll have servants do everything for us”
CA: So what to the women and girls do all day?
ujmParticipantBenignuman: “although the Beta Israel believed themselves to be Jewish it is not clear whether (a) the founders of the community were actually Jews (according to one tradition they are descendants of a son of Shlomo HaMelech with the Queen of Sheba and Shlomo slaves) or (b) the conversions they conducted over the years were halachically valid.”
If it isn’t clear the founders of this community were Jewish, and we know they definitely didn’t conduct a proper halachic life, and they accepted “converts” into their community for marriage, which clearly wasn’t done halachicly, some kind of legend that they descend from the Queen of Sheba does not a Jew make.
November 16, 2021 6:33 am at 6:33 am in reply to: Where Klal Yisroel will be in 100 years from now #2028800ujmParticipantThe men and boys will all be in the Beis Medrash learning Torah all day.
The woman and girls will be ensuring the men and boys have everything they need to learn Torah all day.
ujmParticipantAAQ, hopefully your life revolves around ruchniyus not gashmius. As such, you should be giving your wife and children direction on how to conduct their ruchniyus daily living.
November 15, 2021 11:43 pm at 11:43 pm in reply to: Where Klal Yisroel will be in 100 years from now #2028768ujmParticipantMoshiach is coming this year. No need to ask about 100 years from now.
We’ll have a Sanhedrin enforcing full Torah Law compliance.
ujmParticipantThe Divrei Chaim paskens you can switch from Ashkenaz to Sefard but you cannot switch from Sefard to Ashkenaz.
The Igros Moshe paskens you can switch from Sefard to Ashkenaz but you cannot switch from Ashkenaz to Sefard.
ujmParticipantReb Eliezer, the Arizal was an Ashkenazi.
ujmParticipantBenignuman:
1. How do you explain the poskim that oppose accepting their claims to being Jewish?
2. How do you explain even those that are accepting, still demand they undergo a formal conversion?
3. How can you know that the contemporary group known as Beta Israel has any viable connection to any historical group of Jews that lived in Ethiopia many hundreds of years ago?
4. How can you ascertain the veracity of any historical writings of Ethiopian Jews that you reference?
P.S. Your EB quotation didn’t make it into your comment.
ujmParticipantCTL: What’s so shlecht about Waterbury?
ujmParticipantIf you daven Nusach Sefard then you’re Chasidish. You just need to understand that.
ujmParticipantThe obligation to get drunk on Purim
The obligation to have available the use of corporal punishment for child discipline
The contemporary Mitzvah to kill Amaleikim
The order to save the lives of a Cohen before a Yisroel, a Talmid Chochom before another person and a man before a woman
The obligation to give Tochacha
Jewish superiority
The mitzvah to mock apikorsumujmParticipantBenignuman: Where are you obtaining your information regarding how the other Ethiopian tribes treated the Beta Israel or that they “sacrificed for thousands of years”? Their history is hardly documented anywhere remotely close to that long. And from what little history is documented and known, there’s no documented time that they had the original Torah Shebksav or that they ever practiced authentic Judaism. I’m not sure where you found that they were killed in large numbers, but either way we know that Christians and other religions have had religious wars between themselves and/or otherwise willingly dying for their religion.
From what is known, they were treated the same bad ways all the many African/Ethiopian tribes treated other tribes during their never-ending wars and persecutions of each other, depending whenever whichever tribe has power on a local or regional level, in the areas.
Additionally, it should be noted, that European Jewry were persecuted for thousands of years far far more than any other (real or purported) Jewish group and heroically laid down their lives rather than surrender their Torah.
Please note that throughout history, from ancient times down to our own contemporary times (Hello Black Hebrews in Manhattan) there have been numerous gentile groups claiming to be Jewish and practicing some form of crypto-pseudo Jewishness.
Regarding your comment on the DNA analysis, you appear to be arguing that the at-large Ethiopian non-Jewish population is as much genetically Jewish as the Beta Israel, since the rest of the surrounding Ethiopian population of tens of millions also has (an equal) amount of Jewish heritage. That sounds quite fantastical.
ujmParticipantThe so-called Beta Israel have little to do with Karaism. They simply practiced a completely different religion, with no Torah and not even any Hebrew.
That said, even the actual Karaites (from Europe, Egypt, etc.) are an issue because they never had valid Gittin, so there’s mamzeirus that’s now untraceable (due to the passing centuries). Aside from that, the Karaites at different times in history accepted converts, who halachicly remain Goyim, that they intermarried with.
The Falash Mura outright practiced Christianity.
ujmParticipantCS: Have you ever seen a comment that isn’t a troller?
November 15, 2021 9:38 am at 9:38 am in reply to: When will all Yidden finally have Achdus? #2028430ujmParticipantThey Lubavitcher Rebbe was definitely one of the top three in Kiruv.
ujmParticipantReb Eliezer, do you know what the Barditchiver chose?
ujmParticipantThis is a despicable question and thread. Is the next thread going to be if you kidnapped your neighbor’s baby, what would you do with him?
ujmParticipantWhat do you attribute their practicing a religion different than Torah Judaism, missing parts of the Torah, not knowing Hebrew and rather only using holy books in a foreign language, among other large variances greatly differentiating their practices from Judaism?
And their marriage regulations weren’t limited to only marrying each other — they married outsiders as well. They didn’t have any “halacha” counting only maternal descendants as part of their tribe.
ujmParticipantRabbosai, it is easy to start a new thread. You folks are offering lots of ideas… go for it!
Like Foggie would tell you, there’s a “Create New Topic” option on bottom of the main CR page.
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