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Amom,
so you are also blessed with MIL who helps you with money. Baruch Hashem. I don’t think this is irony that she gives more to the other siblings. There is a mitzva to help someone to pick up an animal “with him”. So, if other brothers are working hard to support their families, she wants to help them. If your husband prefers learning, then his mother feels less obligated to help with him with something he does not bother to attend to himself. And, again, I hope your husband finds a way to make his mother happier about it – not by nudging her, but by doing something that will deserve her respect in whatever ways she sees it. I personally do not know Talmidei Chahamim who do not try to excel in kibud av.As to using public funds, as you already see, there are other opinions. It depends how programs are structured: I am all for using public funds to support Jewish schools, provided those schools fulfil the general public goals, educating responsible citizens. If the State of NJ consider establishing programs to support Torah learning as it benefits the world, I’ll vote for it. As to using programs designated for poor, as you already see, there are differing opinions here. I see several parts here:
1) benefiting from Torah learning (that is saying my kollel is working, pay me for that). You can ask your husband to point you places in Gemorah of people who refused to have any physical benefit from their learning. So, just the system of paying people to learn is problematic to begin with, as much as we have good social reasons to have it.
2) taking money from charity designated for poor, rather than for learning. In old Jewish communities, poor were supported but checked out also. I am not aware of T’Ch being supported that way. Maybe someone knows.
3) personal attitude. Why would a T’Ch want someone else to pay for his Torah learning, especially questionable? You figured out a job that pays. If you feel you do not get enough, your husband can figure out how to work for a couple of hours a week. you said a Rav permitted it. Did you ask the Rav whether you are permitted to be machmir and not do that?
4) taking general public funds designated for poor. This is a can of worms. When you asked me about a false choice between supporting homeless and a T’Ch: I will obviously pay for both. I would rather donate to a T’Ch of my choice directly and benefit from the mitzva, rather than paying extra taxes and gaining no benefit! Or maybe just use an extra hour to learn myself instead of working to pay the tax. This sounds petty as T’Ch is 1% of welfare funds – but in some places we now have whole cities and people can do analysis how much of public funds is spent on voluntarily poor.
Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantamom,
I don’t think anyone would object to your husband’s and yours dedication to Torah if you are using your own funds or money from someone who dedicated them for that purpose. Kol Hakovod! Your M-I-L may be different as she, understandably, is looking for your benefit and she may be thinking ahead at how your family will live. As Torah is supposed to be sweet for everyone, maybe you can find ways to make your MIL happy with your husband’s learning. Depending on your circumstances, Either invite her as a honored guest when he gives a dvar Torah to public; or start a class for ladies that includes her; or spend 2 out of 12 hours to learn a profession or an internship at some job so that she can see that her grandchildren will have food to eat.Back to finances, when I said “using your own funds”, there are different views here. My personal view is that this should not include using public funds dedicated for poor people, such as foodstamps, welfare, unemployment, tax credits. Someone who volunteers not to work, for whatever great reason, should not depend on charity, but many people (and here too) disagree.
Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantamom, CTLawyer,
google tells me:
The average Public School Teacher salary in New Jersey is $66,876 as of November 29, 2021, but the range typically falls between $58,376 and $77,219.Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantKuvult, I saw people following your psak! Just walk with a sefer or a siddur in front of you and move your lips, and you will avoid the mahlokes.
Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantA wise older friend, while going out of state to fix his sister’s problems, told me: remember that your relationship with your siblings is longer than with your parents or your children! (is this discussed anywhere?)
Also, pandemic is a great way to make the little siblings under your control into friends and hevrusas between each other. Hopefully, it will serve them well in life.
Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantYes. At some point, the only thing I was using my writing for were monthly tuition checks written in one batch in September and I found it very tiring. Some of the kids will use online textbook even if a printed version is right on front of them. I tried to make them excited about using dictionaries at some point, but they say googling is faster.
Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantamom,
schools are pretty different. CTLawyer describes a different reality.How many kids are in the class and how much tuition are they paying, nominal and real, in your school ?
Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantWithout getting too depressed, you may still ask yourself a question – what middos might have turned them off? Ask a teacher or a good friend. And work on improving that middah.
January 1, 2022 9:41 pm at 9:41 pm in reply to: Protecting the innocent and false accusations #2047072Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantI am saying that it is not ideal to keep bunch of kids, esp teenagers, in one room and expect them to learn behavior from each other and one adult, who was appointed to that class. Ideally, you want the kid to be in a room with several well-behaving adults and maybe a couple of good peers. The problems that are discussed are following from that.
January 1, 2022 7:21 pm at 7:21 pm in reply to: The world should take action on Israel’s treatment of charedim #2047045Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantRe: inviting UN: we have a lot of history when inviting great powers to solve our internal debates lead to great disasters: hashmonaim inviting Romans, litvakim/hasidim in Russia-occupied Vilno. Usually, the great power gains and both sides lose.
Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantRebE > someone carrying in a place where there is no eiruv don’t mention shabbos
say, eruv is down, and you see a mother with a stroller who is not aware of it. You are not supposed to alert her until she gets the kid home safely. Now, in your humros-ness, you say “Hi, whats up” instead of “gut shabbos” immediately alerting the lady (who also learned halokha, of course). As you are probably reluctant to continue exchanging the kid with a lady, not your wife, every arba amos, you would have to find another lady to help, while you will be standing there till the end of shabbos to guard the $1,000 stroller.
Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantI don’t think Teddy can win an election now, he would not be progressive enough!
December 31, 2021 12:47 pm at 12:47 pm in reply to: Protecting the innocent and false accusations #2046921Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantZaphod > Most of the incidents I was referring to actually happened between children
Without detracting from your main idea, I am also wondering how sensible is the prevailing approach of shoveling tens of kids of the same age into a classroom and educate and socialize them that way?
This is obviously a practical way to deliver instruction to multiple children at the sane time, let them do work at the same time, and let the same teacher check multiple similar tests at the same time. But how would you educate a kid, given unlimited resources? I would probably put a kid in a small group of older people – some old to be an example of learning and behavior, some a little older than the kid so that he can relate to them, and let him listen and sometimes participate in the discussion. I would also let him work on his own a little to develop independent skills and sometimes to work with younger kids and explain material to them. Sitting in the room with other kids of similar skills and possibly worse behavior seems to have the least educational value.
Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantWhen I meet a Sephardi Talmid Chacham, I say “shabbat shalom” and he says “gut shabbos” and we both smile at our mutual respect. Whatever you are saying, it is about what is the best for the recipient. Gut shabbos.
December 31, 2021 12:46 am at 12:46 am in reply to: String Theory, a New Understanding of a Rambam #2046857Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantIndeed, Einstein in his later work was motivated by the goal to show that there is one unifying theory of the world.
But I think the Big Bang theory was an even bigger (and simpler to grasp!) contribution to the Jewish-Greek dialogue whether this world was created or existed eternally.
Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantParticipant > You don’t think it a tad childish
Given the crudeness of today’s politics, no. I think recent politics shows that playing nice and appealing to philosophical ideas is ont enough to win elections. Romney was a perfectly decent candidate -gov & business experience, grasp of international matters, moderate, moral. Had all kind of crazy and dirty stuff told about him. He himself understood the problem – with almost a majority of the country being recipients of government largesse, hard to win elections. So, you need passion and emotions, and references to other side weaknesses to win.
Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantujm> opening up the Pandora’s Box known as the Internet.
I know we obviously can’t “see” here people who are not on Internet, but I have an impression that a large part of the community gets the negative side of internet already. Many/most adults have social media. mostly on their phone, judging by grammar. Many teens also. Those who do not have access – they seem to be getting “news” from those who do – either directly or through several steps. So, this virus is already inside.
At the same time, most seem not to have general internet literacy – how to search for information, what is a reliable source. As a result, they follow inane and insane sources and are not able to process information. I don’t know at what age, but at some age, there should be a class about using internet responsibly.
Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantgendered therapists and generally doctors is reasonable, unless there is an issue of competence. If you have a genuinely good doctor, you might go to him despite the gender.
December 31, 2021 12:12 am at 12:12 am in reply to: 🦠😷Raise Your Hand if You’re in Quarantine!😷🦠 #2046837Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantuse your time wisely!
December 31, 2021 12:11 am at 12:11 am in reply to: The world should take action on Israel’s treatment of charedim #2046839Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantGadol, I am not sure how widespread and approved this behavior is. I heard from some people who were interested in joining a protest while in yeshiva in Israel and were advised by R’Y not to go.
Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantn0, yes, I am paraphrasing mussar suggestions. Maybe we have so many mental cases referred to doctors because we dont work before at earlier stages.
December 30, 2021 4:54 pm at 4:54 pm in reply to: M. Regev calls Bennet’s coalition gov. MITHYAVNIM #2046704Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantShalom, I understand. But Hashem protects us through numerous unexpected ways.
for a more dramatic example, some German Jews in early 1930s were complaining that they were discriminated against and are not accepted as true German nationalists … Could you imagine how even more horrible the WW2 were, if German Jews were accepted into the NSDAP?
Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantRomain, there is a fallacy in the numbers you bring:
you compare median salary with (average) cost of living. Average cost of living closely tracks AVERAGE salary: people spend as much as they earn! So, your economist is simply saying that median person can not live like a rich person!Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantRomain, you are right on the difference between average and median wages. Average wage is going up doe to the top earners, and Israel’s better part of economy, based on hightech, is doing very well last 20-30 years. At the same time, the lower part, consisting of traditional industries, manual work, non-working population are not doing as well. It is a reflection of overall tendencies in the world: technology enables better productivity. A software developer is more productive than a traditional engineer: he creates a program that can be used million of times instead of designing one house. At the same time, a farmer with a high tech tractor still needs to plow the whole field…
There are two ways to change the situation:
1) demand that richer people share their productivity with others. for a small country, like Israel, it will lead to more people leaving to not be over-taxed in other places
2) train more people to do productive work using modern technology so that they can earn accordinglyDecember 30, 2021 3:54 pm at 3:54 pm in reply to: The world should take action on Israel’s treatment of charedim #2046683Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantHaKatan, you are free to organize your anti-Zionist community anywhere nearby – Syria, Jordan. They should be quite supportive. You missed a moment to live under ISIS.
Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipant> It has everything to do with the patient’s lack of ability to help themself.
As a first step, having a trusted friend or an older person can help anyone to have an independent look at themselves. Therapist is better, of course: you are paying serious money so it is not that easy to reject what he is saying, and he is also an expert at making himself heard. Try paying your friend $20 for the advice to appreciate it more.
Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantOne takeaway is appreciation of halakhic public policies that regulate both religious and social life.
Seeing disintegration of norms and sanity and lack of unity when we are confronted with novel problems makes you think – how would Jews behave if they were not repeatedly told to daven every day, wear proper clothes, and not steal from each other. It is rare to see Jews fighting for a seat in shul or who gets an aliya because we have rules about all these trivial matters. You can come to most any shul in the world, and you feel comfortable knowing what the rules are. Many “lo plug” takanot make one wonder – would people really confuse chicken with meat, but seeing people confusing scarfs with masks convinced me.
Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantRebE > If it was completely different, would be less of a problem.
Indeed, Greeks presented a new challenge. Even early greek myths are already different from earlier primitive beliefs. They are polytheists, rather than idol-worshippers. Their gods are not statures or animals, but representation of forces and ideas. Philosophers were a step further. How do we interact with it – it is definitely both a challenge and an opportunity. After all, Hashem did not “choose” to hide from the world, but to affect it positively, and we would rather interact with Aristotle than with Bilaam. And we have numerous Rabbis quoting directly or indirectly from non-Jewish philosophers (which in the language of the time included scientists). It is a fair discussion about side effect and precautions for interaction, but a belief that Hashem created the whole world as “goyishe culture” that we need to ignore is silly. A doctor treating a dangerous patient will put N95 and gloves to protect both the patient and himself, but should not refuse to treat him (provided he is qualified).
Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantYS> set up an awful phone conferencing system after a few weeks
I don’t think we should fault anyone for doing something wrong: this was an unprecedented situation. As long as they honestly tried, and then changed something based on feedback. As it says – if you see a Talmid Chacham sinning at night, do not reprimand him in the morning, as he surely did teshuva. That is, a person can be a T’Ch without being perfect, but being able to do teshuva is a requirement.
Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantAvira > there are a ton of pitfalls in which a therapist who means well can damage a client
I agree. When a more modern therapist says: I am not imposing my belief, all beliefs are valid, he is at the same time give the patient encouragement to see all beliefs are valid. I saw some suggesting that therapist work in tandem with a Rav to discuss what is possible. Here, I noticed a constant theme going through R Twersky’s books that one needs a Rav who is bokeh in these issues, not everyone with a smicha and a shul contract qualifies.
At the end, this discussion underscores a need for observant and well-trained therapists. Is there a place that trains for that and do we send anyone there? Another avenue – make sure families and schools teach musar and other ways to make people leave healthy lives, and hurt the kids less, so that there will be less need in therapy.
Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantSyag > I said you don’t like frum. I didn’t say you don’t like the terminology.
I usually avoid personal remarks, but this one required clarification. My perception may be wrong, but I often see people using this term usually do it to – arbitrarily – exclude large swaths of Torah observant Jews from their notion of “amecha”. This may not be true for native Yiddish speakers, but often looks so for those who throw the term into English discussion. Especially here, we now have a full text of the teshuva, thanks RebE, and Rav Moshe, a Yiddish speaker, is clearly NOT using this term, yet everyone mis-quotes him. I may be oversensitive here.
Even Chofetz Chaim, in more “frum” times, when community was besieged by haskalah, had reservations, saying: people say: in our times, you need to be “frum, frum, and klug”, I say, you have to be “klug, klug, and frum”. So, I am pro-klugkeit.
Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantRebE, thanks for the text. It looks like Rav Moshe would approve of Jewish psychologists!
YM, I think you can read this that expertise matters, which is a usual attitude in medical matters: shomer Torah is preferred, but if the only one available mumhe … I imagine if Rav Moshe would advocate going to a non-expert may be an option, he would say that.And both of you, could you do me a favor. As Syag noticed, I don’t like loaded terms like “frum” that everyone interprets as he wants, usually to exclusion of others. Rav Moshe says simply “shomer Torah”.
December 29, 2021 9:47 pm at 9:47 pm in reply to: The world should take action on Israel’s treatment of charedim #2046361Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantujmI understand that if you have a dispute with any Jew, you need to invite him to a BD first before going to UN. But Romain can simply move to any of the neighboring aniti-zionist countries
Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantTLIK, I hear you, still as relevant to this discussion, it is preferable to have a Torah observant therapist. That would mean it is laudable to be such therapist, despite the nisayonim. We were thinking about this issue in regards to possible career path for kids. The problem we see is that how would a Jewish therapist treat non-observant clients: what kind of perverse issues you can encounter and need to deal with? And how would you give them an appropriate advice? It may be a great place for a serious expert, and r Twersky brings a lot of exampels from his non-Jewish crazies and alcoholics, but not sure that you can say le’hathila that someone can thrive in this work. So, if not treating general public, you are left to pray that there are enough crazy Jews (and they realize they need treatment) ….
Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantSyag, > should go with a frum psychologist as opposed to not but that a non frum psychiatrist is okay.
Thanks, this is what I was trying to say, but maybe did not phrase accurately. Now, I am looking further, I am not sure this is the full picture.
The source is Igros Moshe YD 2:57. Can someone with full text access look it up please. It seems that the question was about doctor who is a “min” or “kofer”. He says it is incumbent to go to someone who is “shomer Torah”, but if not available, negotiate with the doctor not to discuss beliefs.
Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantShabbos 146 has some discussion about the issue. The kids/young rabbanan give aq silly answer – why Babylonian T’ Ch (at least they acknowledge that there are some!) wear special (nice, Rashi) clothes: because they are not “bnei Torah” (I presume it means that people do not see them as such for their behavior is not special as of “bnei Torah”). Awaken R Yohanan corrects them that they are in galut and, thus, need to show to people that they are learned by externality. It seems from this that T’Ch in EY were not dressing like that and also that if everyone dresses special, then it defeats the purpose of separatding T’Ch from the rest.
Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipant> Indeanapollis, Indiana
I am surprised you don’t know where you live yet. This should be Indeana.
Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipant176> parents of girls going to male therapists
I would think that girls going to therapists may often have problems at home to begin with, so relying on parent supervision may not work well. Do we have places that teach therapists and halakha and hashkafa together, so that graduates can be relied upon?
Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantn0 > they have to be open to a lot of criticism. .. There is zero reason anybody should mind teachers getting paid more.
They should be, given the importance of their job. Nuclear plants have a lot of oversight, and so should teachers who affect young neshomos. I am not sure though whether we use right tools for the criticism – meeting teachers twice a year and expressing displeasure with end product would be frustrating for everyone involved. There are lots of tools that could be used: standardized tests with published results, student evaluations, glass doors with occasional parent accees, easier ways to switch between classes, more competition, paying good teachers more ….
December 29, 2021 3:56 pm at 3:56 pm in reply to: My Poasts/Comments are not getting Approved. #2046176Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantLet’s apply poasts to posts that boast.
Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantGadol, chicken used to be way more expensive. Maybe it is cheap now due to industrial methods raising them. So, when we say that men need “basar” for yom tov, we are saying that they should be OK with just meat, without the chicken. Rav, who offered beans, meant – I can give you what I eat myself. An interesting nekudah is the sister that appeared with the chicken: she was travelling for days, so Hashem gave her an idea to prepare the chicken for the poor man who will come to Rav several days later, anticipating his response.
December 29, 2021 2:44 pm at 2:44 pm in reply to: Protecting the innocent and false accusations #2046141Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantSyag, my last point was that glass and sunshine are helpful in many aspects, literally and figuratively. For the record of my fairness, that was a MO school.
December 29, 2021 2:42 pm at 2:42 pm in reply to: M. Regev calls Bennet’s coalition gov. MITHYAVNIM #2046133Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantI think protecting religious people at Baba Sali is more important than the NY goers, so they are doing the right thing. Not only because Baba Sali attendants are likely to be more religious, but also
– NY goers are probably younger
– those who party at NY, will party anyway. Those who go to Baba Sali don’t do it daily, so protecting them will be more effective!
– They can well daven to be protected and we do not want to rely on miracles that will diminish schut of these people in olam habo!December 29, 2021 2:38 pm at 2:38 pm in reply to: Protecting the innocent and false accusations #2046127Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipant> No adult should work secluded with a child
glass doors and windows would help. In one college, a Rav designed a new building with his whole wall to the busy street being of glass. Some years later, a new Rav put curtains …
Windows in classroom doors are also helpful for parents. I was once on a tour, with a school admin inviting us to seat in several classrooms. I managed to also quickly peak into small windows in other classrooms that we were not invited in and saw a more realistic picture of the classes.
Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantNothing wrong enjoying the food, just check whether it affects your decision making:
if you are choosing between staying home or going to a dvar Torah, you hesitate and a kiddush after that makes you go – that is fine at some level. But if one shul has a better dvar Torah and another – better food, and you choose food, maybe this is not fine. If you go get “free” food because you are hungry – fine. If you get it because it is tastier than what you wish to spend – then, less so. There are though several agadot about poor people who demanded “stuffed bird” (a delicatessen of Gemora times) and being offered beans instead .. Conclusions seem to be inconclusive, but generally supportive of the demand – one guy choked and died without favoring food, in another case, Rav’s sister suddenly comes in from faraway and brings the stuffed chicken.Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantym> You dont find alot of Orthodox veterinarians
A good point. You want to select a profession that is helping the world in some way. With all due respect to animals, being a psychologist is way more important.
Syag> who told him he needed to be true to himself
yes, this is type of advice that we need to be careful about. R Feinstein says that non-Torah psychiatrists are preferred to psychologists – they just give you pills and do not mess with the values.
Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantGet yourself books by R Twersky to understand a Jewish psychologist.
Furthermore, R Feinstein at some point paskened that it is ok to use a non-observant psychiatrist – who is prescribving drugs, but not a psychologist, who “fixes” your mind and may propose non-kosher attitudes. This means it is so important to have learned psychologists to address the needs of the community. I don’t know whether a combination of psychology/halakha/hashkafa is taught anywhere, though.
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Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantOn one hand, we have so many brochos on food, and one for Torah, and also several for natural events. Seems like Hashem gave us a variety of products to enjoy them.
On the other hand, they say that as Aron did not take space in B’M (20-10*2=0), so shoudl T’Ch not take much space. Taken literally, a T’Ch who eats a lot will take too much space.
Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantGadol > Rs can move beyond Trump (and the Trump waanabees) and find a principled conservative
I think you are right on D “free stuff” context and I also do not see how it can be avoided, once the sharks smell the (free) blood in the water already, but I think you are misreading R- direction. Trump disturbed R-s rules of the game and was proven right in most cases: discarding polite campaigning and not responding to lies by Romney; fear of recognizing Yerushalaim; free (one-sided) market with China; ISIS; Ukraine; 5 years for vaccines, taxes, making D- into a pretzel by eliminating SALT; increasing Spanish vote. So, any future R leader has to integrate these new ideas somehow, it is impossible to go back. Even Biden recognizes it and continues many policies whenever he is not pressed by Commies.
Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantAvira> most who go to work don’t go off, but a significant amount do, and a much bigger amount have a yeridah.
I do not observe this among young professionals I observe, whether yeshivish or MO. Where I saw problems, they typically manifest in high schools or shortly after, due partially influence of school atmosphere, teachers, and parents, but not after. Could you clarify: what is the source of this yeridah, as you observe? what is a typical job, home lifestyle and how does yeridah manifest itself?
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