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Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipant
Mod, respect.
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Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantMy apology to R Avigdor Miller ZT’L. I was just testing whether mods are allowing badmouthing of only some Rabonim but not others, seems like they are just in a relaxed mood today.
Then you misunderstood. Your post was only allowed because you were responding to the other poster in like fashion, not to insult Rabbi Miller chalila
Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantan interesting question – why Yaakov was worried about Esav’s Zionism and not Efron’s. Several ideas:
1) Yaakov is the person who worries about his zechuyos often, Avraham did not so much. R Twersky connects this with low self-esteem in a different place (Midrash that Yaakov was offered a chance to go up the ladder, but did not).
2) We have here an issue of who is inheriting. Not Efron. Esav has zechuyos as part of his claim.
3) Yaakov is afraid of encountering Esav. It is just about comparing with him. Efron could be a tzadik gamur but he is not coming to confront Yaakov.
Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantWhy would someone quote Avigdor Miller, he is just a rabbi from brooklyn
Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantIt is 4.
Midrash Rabba – why is it now particular famous?! it is called “rabba” somehow
Meam Loez expands on that (as he usually does 🙂
Vilna Gaon – unreferenced by R Twersky. I am sure if you ask in your community, someone knows by heart
R Twersky – expands on both Midrash and Gaon, in his parsha book.Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantAvira, I gave you 4 sources that you denied existing and you proceed butchering one of them to somehow fit into your original thinking. This is called crystallization – a person prefers his first position even if he encounters contradicting information later. I expected that you would ask yourself a question – is it random that I missed such a midrash, or is it due to where and how I learned and then give a dvar Torah about this Midrash at your shul shalosh sudos and report to us whether your friends did or di not know this.
Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantn0 > but going to all different rabbonim may make you confused in your knowledge of Torah
this is a serious question. I learned it the following way: it is better to first learn under one Rav or in one place, so that you got knowledge systematically, without skipping. After that, it is beneficial to go learn from multiple teachers to acquire different approaches.
One allusion: Alter Rebbe says that he was thinking about going to Gaon to learn Torah or to Maggid to learn Davening. He says “I knew a little about Torah, but nothing about Davening” …
Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantIF you know that we follow Rav in some cases and Shmuel in others, and then you have a financial question, would you call Rav?
Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantn0> I’m not aware of any Chassidim not using an eiruv because of a chumra.
I did not research this beyond the visuals. I understand that this is a legit halachik difference between the communities (unless you hold that chasidim are illegitimate group of Ashkenazim who changed the minhag), not a chumra. My quote from Sephardim is that they’ll follow Ashkenazi community halakha when it contradicts theirs. Same reasoning they are sporting black hats, blending into the yeshivish community.
Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantlakewhut > What if the Rabbi Doctor knows something a different Rabbi doesn’t
Complicated shailohs should go to Rabonim specializing in that area. Medical degree is not necessary, but it would not hurt either. R Twersky (obviously a such expert) mentions in one of his Q&As that the person should consult a Rabbi who specializes in the topic under discussion. Hopefully, communal Rabbis have seichel to see when a question needs to go to the specialist.
Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantjackk > Similar to Oil companies making record profits this year and everyone blames Biden.
I don’t want to interrupt your lovely discussion, but this argument shows that you are way off track. You can blame free market faiulures after all government actions are done right and the market is still not working. Expecting free market to be healthy despite all kind of restrictions is a way fascists and communists convince people to make even more restrictions leading to a black hole. Same applies to medical market – did we try making, say, insurance portable between states and any other free-market reforms? Trump issued regulations to make hospital prices transparent, the due date was early in Biden administration, I am not sure what the status of that is. Maybe someone knows.
December 6, 2022 11:42 am at 11:42 am in reply to: The Haredim are the most voluntary sector in the State of Israel! #2145267Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantThis is a good start in reporting. In US/NYC context, a similar report on graduates of the yeshivos would help respond to NYT articles. But it got to be detailed and transparent – what kind of volunteering, how do you measure that, etc.
Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantDr. Pepper, I am a small business employer and look over available policies every year with brokers. I totally agree with you – somewhere around ACA all plans became unaffordable and deductibles are such that insurance is rarely used (Baruch Hashem). So, essentially ACA is a combination of a tax and elimination of medical insurance as we knew that except in catastrophic cases. And elimination of doctor’s private businesses that used to be a parnosah for previous generation of Yidden. Right now, people who frequent hospitals report that where there were Jewish doctors, there are now other ethnicities.
Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantThere is an issue of public behavior in a community. I know Sephardi Rabbis who tell their people to use Ashkenazi eruv even when it is not according to Sephardi halakha. (I am not sure though whether such Rabbis use the eruv themselves). Chasidim, typically, would not use such an eruv even if their “Sephardi” halochos are acquired …
So, according to this shita, if you live in the community that uses an eruv, you can too. But, if there is no community minhag, as it is – sadly – often the case, then you should follow halochos of your narrow kahal.
Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantUbi, nice comparison of the communities. Now, try putting yourself in the Rashi’s shoes, if I may. Did Rashi mean to foreclose our thinking about Chumash? Did he order printers to put his commentary in a special Rashi script to underscore that nothing else should be said after and avoid confusion?
Another option is that Rashi is there every time you are reading a posuk and have a concern, you are likely to find a helpful Rashi giving you an explanation. As if he is preparing you to be able to master the text and start serious analysis after that.
Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipant> who mentions yishuv EY
Bereshis Rabba. Meam Loez quotes it.
Rav Twersky also quotes Gra on this in the context of Gra failing to reach EY. Would be interesting to see the context if someone can find it.Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantTzait to daven for rain in Iraq
Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantAre Roster, you sound like the matrona who argued w/ Rabbi Akiva on how easy it is to marry people off. Like her, you may also push the divorce rates up also! Telshe Rosh yeshiva back in the 70s answers the question what causes family problems with “bochurim marrying too young”.
Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantcoffee, Yaakov was afraid that Esav had 2 mitzvos – live in EY and respect for parents. I would not be hutzpadik with, for example, someone who does those 2, and eats kosher, and keeps shabbat, and served in the army, just because he is not wearing the hat you do.
Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantAvira, you described the situation well – there is a variety of opinions among Rishonim, and you reduce them to those that Brisk and Lakewood approve of. But why specifically them – because, you would say, they are the ones who follow Rishonim … I am not saying that your position is not reasonable and I sympathize with being weary of bad influence, but the proof is chicken & egg or “how do we know that Yaakov Avinu wore bekesha”.
Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantAvira, yes, I recall that option (in Makos?). I think it is a general statement of an option available to beis din in cases where do not have acceptable witnesses but are sure of the guilt. Nothing to do with the political situation during late BM2, which is what Gemoras in Shabbos and AZ are talking about.
Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantbring your sources and explain what you think
Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantRe: beis din in old times. IT is Avoda Zara 8b: there were so many murderers that beis din could not prosecute all, and moved out so that there will be no death penalty
מ”ט כיון דחזו דנפישי להו רוצחין ולא יכלי למידן אמרו מוטב נגלי
ממקום למקום כי היכי דלא ליחייבוAlways_Ask_QuestionsParticipantAnd I agree with going back to mikra after other learning, although the simple psak I got years ago from Lakewood is to learn all 3 parts (mikra/mishna/gemora) in such a way that you finish all together by 120, and Gemora is larger .. I was not old enough for kaballah, so not sure where that fits in.
But notice that your midrash does not mention gemora at all, sifra is not it. Tzarich iyun.
Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantSholom,
following up on logician’s speculation: maybe the issue is sharper in golus. In Israel, you can presume better mastery of sources by rabbeim and students, so they do not worry that Rashi will be ignored.Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantUbi, I know nothing about the letters or the book. I got involved when I heard the author’s name here.
Logician – a good speculation. Maybe, a sefer that was intended for certain audience got misused; maybe even the translation and marketers directed it to a different form.
Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantAvira, what I think these Sephardim (and Maharal) were holding by – learning mikra as kids first. The person I mentioned was a Rav in a golus community afterwards, so he did learn more than mikra either at that school or later. I’ll try to find out more details. But also I think you kind of assume that the school was “the education”. hopefully, most students did not go to meet their Maker right after graduation. So, they would learn the rest later on. Persian merchants were more likely to afford – 3-hour-a-day work and learning the rest than most ashkenazim. (Another sephardi community I heard of worked for several weeks a year, travelling to pick up some carpets and then selling them to support themselves for the rest of the year).
Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantAnd why is chacham better than Navi? Navi gets individual messages from Hashem, while chacham understands the patterns. He can give you a rule that will work in many situations.
Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantRW, you should go visit Israel with a fresh look. Rather than looking for violators, you might find a lot of places with kosher food only, a lot of people stopping working Friday afternoon and experiencing Shabbat way earlier than many in galut. Same as Rashbi noticing a Jew running with two bouquets in honor of shamor and zachor.
Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantAvira,
a good question, I would need to look around; this is a general impression from various mentions in Gemora; Shabbat 15 talks about death penalty ending when sanhedrin left BM, Pnei Yeohusha discusses increase in murderers, prob others also. It may be that secular powers limit beis din, pls review the meforshim there, I’ll try also, bli neder. Re: Alexandria, see PhiloI am sorry to say I am more ignoramus than apikores, I did not learn Frankel. Maybe I his gilgul? I am not sure what I said, but a C-rabbi once asked me “do you believe that halakha changed”. I answered, puzzled “yes”. So, he almost hugged me (that was precovid) and said “so you agree with us”? I answered, with even more puzzled expression on my face: “no”. That was the end of his warmth. Shortest conversation evah.
Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantYabia, I brought the info, I am not saying that Tosfos is better. In fact, Maharal criticizes the approach of teaching pilpul to young kids before they master the basic material.
this is just how these Sephardim learnt, and I think this is relatively representative. Even when learning Gemora or Halakha from Sephardi sources, I am struck with how much closer to the text and reality they typically are, addressing the core problem first, rather than looking for some outlying conditions. Generalizing, of course. And, again, this worked great before Sephardim needed to address modernity. I don’t think this straight approach learnign whole Mikra first works well when people are confronted daily with complicated issues.
Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantAvira, your description is theoretic. Batei din were not blind to social conditions: They stopped death penalties when murders increased so that there was no more deterrent; During BM2, there were Persian, Greeks, Romans, Hashmonai Kings; Tzdukim; Zealots, etc who had their own powers, not always in line w/ Batei dinim. There were Jews in Alexandria who lived by their own rules, I believe…
Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantmany BYs and loal shuls put out newsletters with mazal tovs. You can probably count there. Record year of publication and year of graduation
Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantDaf in Nedarim 38 says that Navi has to be strong, rich, wise, and humble, using example of Moshe.
Many people love quoting the humble part, but it is at the end of the list (others have to be achieved first). This would enable him to convince other people of his message: people will respect him and see that he know things.This idea also touches on the topic of observant Yidden in Israel influencing the others – not be being weak, poor and uneducated.
Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantIt seems that Hebrew in 2009 and English vol. 2 in 2019. OU review actually calls R Bernstein “the author” while giving due to R Copperman. Are the letters about English or Hebrew, or both?
In the story with the other book (in English), the author was later saying that some of the Israeli gedolim, who did not know English, relied on others for information.
Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantA report of one Sephardi school in their native country:
classes every day (including Shabbat when the only change was not writing)
main focus – mikra, not tosfos.
A person who was in such school until 12 y.o. in his later years was quoting Tanach by heart. That is, if someone starts saying a pasuk from anywhere, he would be able to finish it.Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantinteresting. could you also collect ages of both, numbers over time, year of marriage (so that we can compare different years), and similar numbers for boys.
Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantRebE,
thanks for the reference! Note that the author is niftar 6 years ago. The English sefer is a translation by a student of the original 2009 sefer. So, unless there are fault by the translators, someone is now attacking a Talmid Chacham who is not able to answer ..I can only add here a minor personal edut. I know some members of the extended family and they are big baalei chesed and ehriche people, making a difference in lives of many people, some of whom I know personally.
Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantAvira > if chazal were around today, they would institute a bracha “shelo asani moderni”
So, do you think Rambam would change some of his scientific and medical writing based on current information? Would he update, say, his recommendations on how long to sleep with an iPhone app recommendations? And if yes, what sources will he use? Would he go to yeshiva students who learned his old seforim (and then sometimes overrule him with later sources), or will he go to the physicists, psychologists, economists who else know what the halakha requires (say Dr Schroeder, R Twersky, R Aumann) …
Do you think amoraim who discuss all kind of medical and nutrition recommendations will look at what modern dietologists are saying? I am not saying that they’ll go to college to get degrees. Maybe they’ll simply learn English, public health, statistics. Maybe they will ask someone in Lakewood to translate “Nature” into Aramaic …
Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantBtw, could you find the name of that banned book in my previous post?
Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantI never knew that summer is longer than winter! (in northern hemisphere). one more thing to thank Hashem for.
Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantWho is asking my opinion? I did not read the book, thus
Making it difficult for me to comment. Although, out
Of the curiosity, looks like I would need to buy this one.
Gadol is asking whether we can rely on the names.I know at least one example of a very decent book written by a reputable Rav that was banned for an inexplicable (for me) reason. I am glad I was able to read it.
Thanks to jackk for translating the letter. It is understandably generic. I wonder whether you guys can find a specific example and explain what is wrong there. Otherwise, everyone is talking to their prejudices.
Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantAvira, nice town. Might be your great-grandparents were in wood business, sending it by the river.
This is close to an area where some of the Vilno Rabonim, like R Grozdinski will go for the summer, so they might have stopped by them.
Wiki and others list 3 shuls, schools of multiple derachim, including Zionist, all for 2000 Yidden. So, it was indeed a heterogeneous community. several photos shows one picture of girls in berets, the rest look like not-so-observant
Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantThey may have had education (some of them), but they did not live in the western world, surrounded by opportunities that required leaving Judaism.
Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantCongrats to everyone from that flight. Sounds like a good reason to travel them again.
I saw an article about some entertainment person decided to ditch a “nazi”-owned Tesla and got … a VW instead.
Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantRebE > Maybe they are taught to look down, so they don’t see the person to tell one good morning.
interesting, this contradicts the idea of greeting people first. How do you indeed greet people first while looking down?! Unless, both are looking down, and you greet him right before bumping into him.
Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantNote that while R Yohanan “predicts” Vespasian’s election, he is also does not know how much to ask, decides to ask less, and does not know whether he made a mistake until his death… Maybe his greeting was a combination of knowledge of Roman politics and also a desperate need to flatter the general. If he does know how V will react to an ask, he also does not know whether V will punish him for the wrong title, but increases the chance of making V look favorable at his request.
Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantAvira, I am not arguing w/ Chazon Ish – when sephardim got exposed to modernity quite suddenly when moving out of their countries, they needed to use the tools that, lucky for them, ashkenazim developed over last several centuries.
Ashkenazim did not learn in yeshivos until modernity. They learned locally and yehidim would travel to teachers in other places. Vilno was a place of a lot of learning, of course. Would be interested to hear what you are reading in the pinkasim.
Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantWe did not always knew the source. In fact, we have halochos of demai – sofek that am haaretz who is generally keeps kosher actually tithed the produce. Of course, maaser can be fixed, not everything can.
Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantmoishek > and yet rarely so much as say good morning. And they are so so so frum.
why are you calling such a person “frum”?
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