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Jackk, if you walk close to a pit and wind pushed you inside, it is your fault that you didn’t maintain safety margin. Government that allowed Putin to threaten world economy is at fault – not only of us paying $5 gas, but enabling this conflict by demonstrating this weakness and enabling russkies
YS > gun ownership is very goyish
And what are you trying to convert them?! The famous Roman charge of discrimination in Jewish law was that Jew pays 50% for animals grazing, while non-Jew 100%. The reason is non-Jew has no mitzva to be pro-active in keeping his animals erliche. So, here, if non-Jews came up with an idea of universal gun ownership to protect their freedom in general, and property in particular, are we going to insist that they institute a beisdin instead and have a death penalty al pi shnei kosher eidim?!
Also, Musk lost like $100 out of $300B Tesla stock due to decreased value at the same time .. The only money saved was from $8B of Tesla stock that he had to convert into cash at the time of the deal, on which he saved $1-2B – more than the $1B Twitter breakup fee.
Kuvult,
a wonderful story – except your shock :). So, presumably this respect was not so visible during the lifetime … There are probably limits to publicly acceptable cooperation. When I was younger, I once offered a Rav a possible joint action with another nearby Rav who was involved in a related activity. He looked at me with a wise smile and said – Cooperate?! Baruch Hashem, we learned how not to impede each other … I analyzed the scene again and understood that they were actually doing that!Huju, alternative is to do teshuva for your vote and reimburse Syag for her gas expenses. You can also open a gas refinary or at least, invest in one. Maybe open an responsible investment fund, democrats for cheaper gas
Menachem, good questions. I think a school should have separate classes for those who are preparing for college and those who will go into learning/teaching. Making them sit in a common “math” class is torturing both. This can be partially augmented with online assignments. I would have no problem if school teachers halochos of beards, mentioning what the approaches are. I realize it would be tedious to be inclusive without getting ridiculous, but it is possible. I heard for example a Sephardi chacham routinely say Ashkenazim do this, we do that… Beit Hillel used to do this and even shulchan aruch is written this way … Really if you focus on classical Jewish texts, you can teach them without being divisive most of the time.
Don’t blame small organization for their size. Big organizations may have more resources to paint a good picture, including in tax forms. Small organization that you know does good work is better than a national one
Even if truth social will be a disaster, this is how it works. Try multiple (reasonably) risky ventures, and some of them will work out. This is how American venture capitalism work and it was spectacularly working in last 30 years, leading to American internet businesses dominating the world of European/Asian business models that tend to punish risks. As the story goes – if you fail in business, German banks will not give you a penny after that. In America, you can now say that you have “experience starting businesses” and have a higher chance of getting on a new deal. Trump applied the same approach to politics, and it is up to voters whether to focus on successes or failures,
Musk offered $44B for twitter. Stock is now 20% off from the time of the offer, that is, twitter lost $8B in value, while the break up fee is $1B. Whatever Musk’s plans are for improving Twitter, $7B is some money … So, the deal was doomed by the Biden’s market. Maybe Musk will make a lower bid, while still fighting the breakup fee.
For those who have partisan views on this, what would you do if you give a real estate offer with $1K down and then next week, price of RE goes down by 10%. Will you pay the original offer or accept $1K offer. what would be halachik considerations here? Is it an aveirah to not stand by your word, or do we say that this is a simple contract that has an option to buy or pay a penalty?
Syag > afraid of them learning too much from the wrong people.
Are you advocating for kids being sent to public or open-modern schools with no supervision? I think our whole educational system is built on shielding kids from bad influences and you seem to agree with that. Consider, as an illustration, a poster here who is a teacher and tends to feel very negative towards any derech except his. I can imagine him being my kid’s Rebbe and I would come very satisfied about his knowledge and middos based on a short discussion. At some point, i would notice that the kid is becoming less and less tolerant and becoming stubborn in his Jewish and political views. Ok, I guess I can wait until he grows into his 20s, and then, I can talk with him as an adult and train him into better thinking. I would feel the same if the teacher will have modern or zionist or chassidic biases.
Syag,
I shared some of my experiences to provide testimony for discussions of most important part of Jewish life, education. Saying that my opinions are wrong because they are based on my experiences does not add much to the discussion.Some of the value in that information is that some information comes out of the mouths of principals when there is a disagreement. So, you can assess whether this applies to your institutions without going thru the same painful steps. I absolutely do not think that all schools have these problems, or that the same schools do not have positive sides.
Kuvult,
I would also add that you don’t have to belong to any of the movements at all. Yes, there is a minhag of davening and wearing a kittel, but there is no reason why one needs to pledge allegiance to one way of learning and thinking. This is devaluing Torah and making it into a tool of building group-think.Maybe we are assimilated into American freedom of association and “factions” leading to a free market of ideas, so we also divided into groups competing ideologically. In these terms, separating by the style of the hat leads to market segmentation, every movement controlling their own institutions, same way Apple controls macs and iphones. From the POV of consumers, if parents see more schools acceptable hashkafically, there will be more competition and more value for parents, as intended in halakha (competition is limited in regular trade, but unlimited among teachers and perfume peddlers),
Menachem, one issue here that I start realizing: do we always have to have education filled with Jewish politics? On one hand, it is convenient to have teachers substitute for parents telling the kids that their rebbe/derech are the only kosher ones. On the other hand, in many places parents may not have exactly same shitot as a particular 5th grade rebbe. In this case, school is helping the lower part of the class whose parents can’t formulate their derech, but hurts the other half who have to work correcting the kid, or see their kids growing up as a carbon copy of the movement.. I find schools or teachers who “simply” teach Torah and derech eretz the best.
Women upstate volunteered.. in either case, men need to level to the idea that their role in the house is limited… (This is what we tell women regarding their role outside the house)
Search IRS site for charity form 990, it gives you basic statistics how money is spent. When you have a choice, support people whose work you know and respect. No reason to support “possibly legit” instead of the “best I know”. Same way you probably buy things for yourself
For those who want to protect their kids completely from the outside world, naming a kid Feiga is the best. Except for the small number of kids who would want to see the world 🌎 and will have to completely abandon Feiga for Molly.
A middle way is to use Jewish names that do not sound too weird for the rest of the world: David Jacob.. and with current cultural tolerance, this list is pretty long.
Herman Wouk’s grandfather came to USA, tried to teach in Yiddish, never learned English as it sounded rude, and left for EY
But as of now, there are so many books and shiurim in English, maybe it will be a new Aramaic… Imagine in 500 years Chinese speaking Jews toiling with artscroll like their grandfathers did
YS > It’s a document written with the express purpose of changing for every generation.
… with express provisions on how to make these changes.As it is a contract – albeit a long-term one, the rules of contract should apply. How would you feel if you sign a contract, but the other sides starts re-interpreting it due to changed conditions? Logically, in a case of doubt, the best way is to get agreement of all sides to re-negotiate the contract so that it appeals to everyone. Sneaking in changes through courts leads to a decrease in respect to the overall contract, weakening the country.
And guns are the last resort of defending the contract.
> In this generation,
What about next generation? Do you know? Americans conducted a social experiment for 250 years that worked well (comparatively). OK to propose changes, just respect what worked so far. As we discussed “chcichma b’goyim” – when their ideas are based on evidence rather than superstition, ok to listen.
GH, great, so put the stickers up! It was $2.30, not $3.20 in Jan 2021, $3.30 in Jan 2022, so 40% of increase is pre-putin.
But you will find it hard to fight perceptions: if you declare that you are going to kill the industry and ignore saudis, you will be blamed for the ensuring high prices. If you increase supply, then you won’t be blamed at $10/gallon.
This might be also an illustration on how gov people plan: they expected prices to go somewhat higher and gradually, getting their preferred policies at minimum political price. This was done by the domestic team that did not fully considered geo-political risks. As we got no margin, Putin saw his opportunity and used it as weapons. For example, were the Germans start building LNG terminal as they promised Trump but then reneged after the election, Russkies would have different calculation …
The core motivation of the 2nd amendment is not crime protection, but against invaders and tyrannical government. These possibilities are remote but their consequences are hard to revert.
Gun ownership obviously is not an only safeguard. If you look at countries in the world, the most stable ones are former British colonies – ahead of French/Spanish/German ones. This seem to include both countries with majority settlers (US, Australia..) both also countries with local majorities. Either Brits were good at real estate or there is something in their legal/social system.
You may also contemplate a causal connection between free food available everywhere and runaway inflation leading to $6 gas.
Teenagers especially need later bed time and later wake up time. Look up melatonin cycles.
> would that check your productivity boxes?
sure, as long as one uses 3rd party funds as they are intended, I am fine with using them.
> and raise them in a culture that produces peaceful, extremely low crime communities with vibrant businesses and lots of travel.
Again, I have no problem using gov funds for their intended purposes. I do think, gov should subsidize (responsible) parents. I think T-s tax reform let us get deductions for children regardless of income and I felt very good – not just for the thousands dollars “saved”, but for the fact that the country values our parental contribution.
Another way to demonstrate the benefit of your culture is to organize a local government, such as in Lakewood/Monsey/New Square, where you can collect local taxes from your business people and support Talmidei Chachamim under watchful direction of gedolim. If such a community prospers, everyone could see the numbers in the town accounting and look up to it. Let me know if we have an example to review.
So, if you think gas decrease from $5 to $4.50 is a winning proposition, I suggest you start putting “I did that” stickers on the gas stations with Biden pointing to the “decreased” price.
FYI – if you contemplate biking instead of driving, you are increasing your risk by a factor of 10 v. driving the same distance. Motorcycles are 3x higher than that. (These are 10 y.o European numbers)
> Is full time Torah learning not a productive lifestyle?
not from the point of view of taxpayers – other than classes accredited academically and qualifying for educational subsidies. Maybe, if we behave in a way that Americans see the value of learning and write it in the law and regulations, then it will be great. Say, one who gets unemployment/welfare can either be learning a profession, search for work, or learn Torah. For example, Aleph has a certified program that helps prisoners and they are teaching Torah there, leading to earlier release.
Would it be possible to qualify kollel classes as educational the way some yeshivos/seminaries do? Maybe PhD in Yevamos?common > push the so call clean stuff.
news alert: EU just included gas and nuclear back into “green”. Greens are getting red from anger at that.
> moshiach is on his way
Omein. Is he going to subsidize esrogim? (cf. Rav Huna – either vinegar become wine or prices of vinger went up).
amom > Men going into chinuch is also a completely different topic than kollel men
I see it as relates topic of men not getting prepared to earn parnosah. Again, not to deny the wonderful Rebbes and learners. I am talking about those for whom this derech is not working out.
Just read R Avigdor Miller who is speaking very carefully: yes, it is a good idea to teach a kid the language of the country so that he can earn a living. No, it does not mean that if your yeshiva is not teaching that language, that this is wrong. don’t think that. But, if your yeshiva does teach that language, they are doing the right thing. I hope I reproduced this pretzel correctly.
Avram > projecting it onto an entire group of people.
to a degree, yes. Some people with whom I had such experience, clearly felt superior based on superficial look at our demographics without knowing anything about the family and talked from that perspective. I perhaps talk similarly when asked about statistics of something by an amateur (and I probably did it here when we were doing covid numbers). In my defense, I can say that none of the Talmidei Chachamim that I consulted about these issues, tried to correct my misunderstandings and mostly commiserated. Not because I was out of control – I was specifically asking whether I am reacting correctly.
amom, I hear you. (and I am sure Israeli kollel wives will deny that they have difficulties and find a tirutz for your concerns).
We have a lot of halochos that are built to maintain good social behaviors even in the face of potential bad behavior. As the daf is starting ketubos – we encourage chatanim to spend some money on the wedding – so that he has hard time deciding soon after the marriage that single life was better, why just not give her a get … and, in general, we have a ketubah and not saying “most husbands will be good”. what I am saying here, there are modern mechanisms to monitor business and learning processes – and I am wondering whether they are used or could be used. Say, I can see how my kids learned math by looking at standardized test. I can’t evaluate their mishna skills with the same precision, and you probably can’t evaluate your husband’s learning – or even his learning when you were getting married. Maybe, every rosh yeshiva provides exact feedback on the level of learning to brides & wives, do they?
Avram,
you are humbly describing your productive lifestyle using available government program as part of it. I also used welfare for several months when I was in a similar stage of life. I still get paid by the government by applying for competitive contracts … In the considered – hypothetical – case, if there were a government program listing Torah learning as an allowable occupation (a sign Moschiach is coming?) one can make a case for taking that money, despite Rambam’s opposition.Current life is, on one hand, incredibly safe on average comparing with the past – we have less sickness, better healthcare and fire department, GPS, calories printed on every food item – , and, on the other hand, full of potential dangers that are very close to everyone – random people driving on your street, random people contacting kids on social media … The first leads people to understand when there is unusual danger and the second means that we need to interfere in almost every moment to prevent these dangers.
At the times when half of the kids did not survive childhood and you knew everyone in your neighborhood – comparative risk of the kid going to the store was very low.
New definition of chutzpah. We need to demand a shomer shabbos Jew on Supreme Court in the name of equity so that he can point this out.
I am not denying some insight from these comparisons, but Europe literally consists of people who during last several hundreds of years preferred to stay in their current condition rather than taking a chance and hopping on a boat to the New World. Either they were very rich and comfortable or did not dare. No surprise these people don’t want to own their self-protection! Note that most of them had no problems killing lots of people as long as they were doing it as part of a large group and under orders.
jackk, are hearings already over and I can switch the radio back or are they waiting for new explosives and we should all stay behind a cover? pls keep us updated!
I looked up “insurrection” in google trends – it spiked on Jan 6 and then again a year later, it gets almost no attention the rest of the seasons. It spiked in June for half of 1/6 anniversary but now almost fell back. I hope they keep some explosives for a week before elections, as the interest wanes pretty quickly.
RebE > man who needed to nurse
absolutely. That means that people who get miracles to save them from preventable problems use up some of their future rewards.
RebE > he made a new opening in the middle of the castle
This is actually a standard way to enter insurgent buildings trying to arrest them – to avoid booby-trapped doors and windows. Not only wall is unexpected, but it is not known in advance what part of the wall will be breached.
a better question is whether 100 virtual bochurim from 100 different IP addresses will suffice.
> Specific suggestions that ignore communal needs, values, mores, and culture are meaningless.
If communal norm is to, say, rely on welfare to support learning; or to refuse transparency by suggesting “trust us”, it is worth questioning those.
I think both sides have a point – yes, we can be more machmir in some cases where we were not earlier, and, still, there a lot of chumros accepted by some of the community with the end result being visible separation between that part of the community and other observant Jews. And, while some learned people here and elsewhere understand what drives the change, the vast majority of neo-O simply draw a line and see those that are not with them as beyond the pale.
In many cases, Sephardim are more sensitive to the ideal of having one community: whether they are trying to blend into neo-O by wearing black hats or into general O- by using eruv that does not correspond to Sephardi halakha (and chasidim will not use it). disclaimer: I heard a Sephardi Rav explaining this to his congregation, but I did not see him himself carrying 😉
This reads like a medical nightmare: New variant of TDS meets covid brain and goes viral. At least, reports from the 1/6/1/6/1 committee were informative. Maybe we should to those factuals.
huju, for several years, US fracking worked as an upper bound on oil price – the moment price goes above, I think, $60, fracking becomes profitable and US oil flows. Saudis tried to put frackers out of business by keeping prices very low and, for a time, were not successful – frackers were simply pausing operations and then resuming, while fracking costs were slowly decreasing due to tech improvements.
so, if this industry were still healthy – and apparently it is not, in large part, due to government long-term restrictions – current situation was not possible.
wait until you see “cheap” etrogim for “just $100”
Meshugene horse, Yabia,
while Rambam says In hilchot deot that the middle road is the right one, he also allows for _temporary_ deviations from the middle path. So, it is reasonable to react to general decrease of observance by increasing it; to progressive education by avoiding it, etc. – but not to make these deviations into a new religion. Note that this “opposite” approach is not just recent. For example, from the time of Rishonim, some started emphasizing that we are “religion of action” rather than just belief – in opposition to the other religion that proclaimed that “belief only” is sufficient.
We also used to have 10 commandments as part of daily public service, and we stopped it again because of minim who said that the 10 are the only ones that are important. We had also lots of takanot against Tzdukim that we now barely pay attention to (shabbat hagadol, for example).Overall, it might take centuries until we figure out which innovations are genuine improvements, which are harmless changes, and which are temporary measures that we don’t need to take a neder on.
Yabia > until maybe 60 years ago only a few groups kept Rabbeinu Tam?
According to my understanding, those who followed Rabbeinu Tam did it on both ends. But when we all moved together into big cities, it became unseemly that some people go to shul while others are still riding their horses and late Rabeinu Tam before shabbos was stopped.
bochrim learning w/ R Moshe … are these same as this generation bochrim?
Online forums give an opening to yetzer hara as one can be rude to people they can’t see and not be seen in their behavior. So, maybe every poster need to make sure they have a friend who is aware of their avatar. Then, the two yetzer tov method will work. If everything else fails, think of mods who can trace you, or of cyber thieves who can expose you.
Ray, yes, a similar thought is expressed in Chacham adif min haNavi: Navi gets a message from Hashem for every incident; Chacham can uncover rules that work in Hashem’s world that can be used in many situations.
> your tochacha is unspecific, based on negative stereotypes
I was making some specific suggestions in the middle of stereotyping. If you feel any of these issues worth addressing, feel free to propose your specific solutions. It is, in fact, the right approach when you hear tochacha that feels very unfair – any tochacha is valuable, so search even an unfair one for possibly something relevant. for example, based on your comments, I’ll try to check more often how many cars are going the wrong way even if I don’t think I do 🙂