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mee’es to his wife?

Don’t bother with the heter… convene a bais din and avoid the holiday rush.

whatrutalkingabt and so right –

You have a point. I should (and will bli neder) lay off. I made my point more than once and I should give it a rest.

All I ask in return is that the learning camp start treating the working camp with the same respect and admiration. We do our share of the avodas hashem too.

And yes, I know I mis-spelled some of the words… I did’nt bother with spell check. Shoot me (or better yet, potch me… I’m still deserving of a few more from yesterday)

OK, it looks like its winding down, So I’m going to see if I can’t string all this together and make a story out of it

At this point, I’ve got close to 120 posts, (and they are truly all over the place in terms of topic) so I’d better get started!

For that kind of usage, you’re better off with a plan. Look into Sprint; that’s what my wife / son have.

Oh, and I meant to post this joke, with regards to ger:

Chaim: R’ Dovid.. whats this I hear, you were seen talking to your wife yesterday in the supermarket??

Dovid: Don’t be silly, Chaim.. that was NOT my wife!

How funny you should mention that bldg, because the same day that I walked the bridge and saw the wavy bldg, I stopped right in front of that blgd (but was not looking at the bldg, as the reason I stopped was to gawk at a Ferrari parked in front of J and R)

Priorities are priorities…but thanks for the heads up. I’ll look at it again on my next trip to the area!

No, that’s just it. Since I never saw a post from you that indicated that you did go to EY sem, I just guessed that you’re either heimesh or chassidish

(uh oh.. here comes the avalanche of posts slamming me for thinking everyone that goes to EY sem is not heimish or chassidish. But that’s ok.. I deserve some petch today)

Dunno. I never saw a post from you that indicated Sem in EY, so I just guessed that you’re BP or something along those lines. Too bad, I had a funny line, had you been chassidish, but I’ll post it anyways:

May you be zoicha to yingalach with a triple zeros, and maydalach that are not!

(if you know any chassisidhe folks, the joke makes sense)

And who knows? Maybe there’s a chossid on the horizion for you after all? Either way, simchas b’korov!

Still jews.. unless mom is a goy.

And how does “Kensington” fit into this puzzle?

I don’t know the Rov, but its possible that from the way the question was posed (both then and now) the question indicated the answer the person wanted (needed?) to hear.

On a situation that can go either way, a smart Rov will make the call as he sees fit for that instance.

Had the question been, “is pork kosher”? the answer would have been no both times. The “work/learn” question has so many variables, its impossible to have a “one size fits all” answer.

Kinda like “other” rov shailos. To the same question,one person gets a yes, the other gets a no. And both are the correct answers. That’s what rabbonim are here for.

And SRP –

I know you could not be Mrs BP…. she’s hooked on Imamother!

You’re right poppa; when the kids start to suffer, the decision to work becomes a priority. But why wait till you’re cracking under the strain? Or worse, why wait till your wife / parents / inlaws are cracking under the strain?

Plus, by the time this wake up call rings, hubby is close to 30? 32? has no training, and is probably 5-7 years away from replacing his wife’s salary.

Unless he expects her to keep working. But if she can hold down 2 jobs (work and house duties) why can’t he? (work and learning after work)

The bigger issue is, its become mandatory (at least in the circles I revolve in) to follow this track, wether you like it or not, whether you can afford it or not.

And that complusion needs to change.

No, they would’nt tell me anything. (sorry)

Needless to say, MTA employees are not the most talkative breed. Nor accomodating. Looks pretty bleak.

Shocked that the Mods would let that fly.

Then again, they’re working overtime looking out for my outrageos shidduch ideas, so I guess they’re letting pro sports fend for itself.

I never attended Sem (nor did Mrs. BP) but this reminds me of a funny line our Dr. told us when we were expecting our first child.

We asked a question, and he said, “you’re reading Doctor Mom, right? (That was the book, back in the days…not sure what they read today)

Yes, we told him. Cover to cover, and are constantly refering back to it.

He said: That’s great; it helps you ask informed questions. But the baby hasn’t read it, so it won’t really be all that much help once the new arrival is here!

His point was, all the tech know-how is just that. Tech.

Put your info into practice (get married) and then you’ll see how much you still need to learn.

Or as Mom says, the older I get, the smarter she gets (and she did’nt got to Sem either)

SPR –

You’re right. Had I thought the OP was addressing a medical or physc issue, I would not have answered that way.

But what I do see is lots of highly accomplished, very over-burdened people still feel they can and should be “doing more”. Not so, and not always. Sure, if its 3 weeks till Pesach, you need to get into cleaning mode. But if its 51 weeks till Pesach, you need to give the Brillo a rest.

We could all use a bit of lazy time.

I agree. Fighting (as long as it doesnt involve weapons or spraypaint) is a good sign.

Take it from me and my siblings (but he REALLY started it this time!)

Prof – Its your call and your wallet. My only concern is the folks that are bullied into making this decision, whether they want this or not.

Poppa – True. Two grown adults can choose to live in a cardboard box under the freeway, if that’s what makes them happy. But did the kids get a vote?

OK, the cardboard box is extreme. But more to the point, when one side says, I’ve had enough, now its your turn to go cover the expensense, but the other partner says, I don’t have the abilibty to earn the same $ you do.. now what?

Mod 80 – you are of course right; there are some very happy people living that life. Its the very unhappy people (and the prevention of more unhappy people) I’m speaking about.

And who does this hurt, you ask? Its hurts the husband.. because he is not doing the job he was set on earth to do. And this is not some new-fangled American idea. Its in the kesubah we all (or will someday) agreed to.

Read your post, Sac. Not the kind of expressions I’m used to hearing outta you, that’s all.

I find it quite amusing to watch the 2 or 3 people in my shul zig-zag thru the tables, like mice in a maze, to avoid the “daled amos” buffer zone, yet the rov of our shul (who is by no means a small fry) relies on the 30″ tall / 12″ wide loophole (or perhaps he knows something the 2-3 frummies don’t) but at any rate, it really irks me to see someone out-frum the rov.

Same appiles for those who wash for shalesh seudos during mincha. If shkiya is such an issue to you, find a shul that supports your derech. (I can assure you, BP has several pre-shkiya shuls, so don’t think these guys are without options. Without sechel, perhaps, but not without options)

Just wait.. the latter parshas of Bereshis have some timely lessons in the male – female relationship.

Lets see how Moshe R deals with THOSE 😉