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October 19, 2010 9:40 pm at 9:40 pm in reply to: What do you think of Olgas on Smith in downtown Brooklyn? #737949bptParticipant
OK, back on track. If the place is a favorite of the Prospect Park / Park Slope crowd, and is kosher, I’m pretty sure its going to be a real scene. Not a teen hangout, not a place where the lights & sirens crowd goes, but a real scene none-the-less.
Think Matisyahu, as opposed to Lipa.
Lets see what the first CR report has to say
bptParticipantHmm. So it would appear that this idea will need to be a grass roots effort after all.
Not a problem. Grass roots efforts don’t yield instant results, but they do get people thinking and talking.
bptParticipantOK, Bomb.. lets begin:
1 – When I compared chometz to toevia, I was refering to the fact that both carry the penalty of korias (the penalty for the transgressions, when bais din cannot carry out the sentence.
2 – of course I know the outside world influences me. So I keep a safe distance. Not hide under a rock, but at the same time, I don’t cozy up to the suburban family man, with wife, 2.2 kids and a dog either. Those who don’t believe in the torah are to be dealt with from a safe distance. Makes no matter what rule you’re breaking.
3 – I didn’t think I was bringing R’ Levin into the picture. The “good govt” I was referring to is the one that keeps pur budget in check, crime under control, and the trains running on time (ok, that I could compromise on).
And for the record, I don’t give 2 hoots about “social services” as things like welfare, food stamps and sec 8 (or hud, if you live in NJ) only hurt me, as the collectors of these things cause the prices of goods and rent to spike for working stiffs like me.
And no, I don’t mean the single mom, or out of work dad. I mean the folks who drive a leased car and pay for tuna dip with a Benefit Card.
So, if a candidate is all for throwing around $$$ to social services, he’s not speaking to me at all.
bptParticipantUh, Sac.. did you mean to post that to WFAN? I mean, I know it pro ball we’re talkin’ here, but it is YNW, after all.
Deep breath, bro, deep breath…
bptParticipantChaim is blue? What a pity!
bptParticipantI feel terrible when a thread, posted in good faith, goes un-replied. But sorry to say, I know NOTHING about sports (oh wait, I think the yankees are in the playoffs.)
Who are the Heat playing against?
bptParticipantWhat you’re implying is essentially the position of the folks in EY that don’t take a penny from the Govt. After all, its tainted money, and by extension, that taints everything it touches.
Personally, I have no problem with that whatsoever. I may not want XYZ as my kid’s schoolbus driver, and certainly not as a son-in-law, but do I really care if the governor or mayor or president has a lifestyle that runs counter mine? Not really.
Because when you really get down to the nuts and bolts of it, toevah is not that much different than eating chometz on pesach? Yet we don’t go running and screaming when a candidiate does that.
So (IMHO) its less to do with kovod hatorah, and more to do with social confort. I tell myself and my family, we are us (frum, bnei torah) and they are not. So it matter not one wit what the candidate does on his personal time, or who he associates with (unless its fringe nuts that pose a threat to my safety, like neo-nazis, which is not the case here).
Will this person run a good govt? Give him the job. Period. I don’t have to advertise who I voted for, and I certainly don’t need to hold press conferences. Let me hear what the positions are in the issues that matter to the city, and I’ll make a choice.
bptParticipantMy vote would be for Oomis. She has the experience, and I trust her to respect the privacy of the CR members true identity.
Mods, if you get Oomis’s go ahead, you can give her my e-mail address
October 19, 2010 7:49 pm at 7:49 pm in reply to: What do you think of Olgas on Smith in downtown Brooklyn? #737946bptParticipantI can’t say for sure, but if the place is popular with EMTs, Hatzoloh and Shomrim can’t be far behind.
Now that’s ambiance!
bptParticipantCould someone post the link to the YNW shidduchim thread?
bptParticipantI was told the female metabolism changes after childbirth, so all things being exactly equal (diet, excercise, ect) the wife will gain more than the husband.
On the flip side, many women work like mad to lose the weight (and succeed) yet men gain it and keep it.
bptParticipantWolf – which trail did you take? I’ve been to many parts of the park, and am always looking for other peoples favorite spots
And you are right about not seeing people. I’ve arrived at the trailhead to see 50+ cars, but will only see about 6-10 people (if lucky)
I’m planning to go this Sunday. Where was the foilage in best color?
bptParticipantWhy just read the news, when you can MAKE the news!
bptParticipantNCFJE Pidyon Shivuyim Fund
824 Eastern Pkwy
Brooklyn, NY 11213
This address is from an old post off of YNW, or you can check the neighborhood periodicals (Torah Times, Hamodia, Yated) which always carry an ad.
October 19, 2010 4:52 pm at 4:52 pm in reply to: What do you think of Olgas on Smith in downtown Brooklyn? #737941bptParticipantDunno, but I’m going to try and swing by either this or next Sunday. Its got a OK hechser, so my guess is, its run by a Chabad’sker. Smith and 3rd is only a few blocks from the Prospect Park Chabad house, so if in doubt, you can check with them to see if the place is under their watch as well.
bptParticipantlike any other grass roots movement. Its not a revoloution, it changes one shidduch at a time. If nothing else, at least the CR readers have a new idea to condsider.
bptParticipantPoppa –
I sort of agree that the “age gap” problem exists, but I think its because boys feel intimitaded by girls that are not 5-6 years their junior. Were the boys able to earn a living, they would feel more comfortable with girls their own age. At the same time, if for whatever reason a boy did not choose to get married at 22-23 and decided to wait till 24-25, he would feel on equal footing with a girl his own age (and not compete for the 19-20 year old, leaving the 25 y/o girl out in the cold.
I’m really reluctant to let the phrase “singles event” go by without a ripple. The meeting I have in mind would be very much like a weekend convention, with parents and mediators (again, I’m trying to resist the word “shadchanim” as they are partially to blame for the mess we now face).
But the biggest advantage to an “open market” would be that people would realize that despite their “chesroinos” (lack of $$$, lack of movie star looks, lack of brand name yichus), they still have loads to offer, if they exceed in other areas. And I say that because, all of a sudden, you realize that what the “market” may consider a looming black x on your ratings chart is not nearly as bleak as it looks on paper.
If I (all 40+ years of me) were to reduce myself to an 8×11 sheet of paper, I’d look as exciting as a nursing home menu. But in the 3D world, I’m somewhat more marketable.
The goal is to level the playing field and not be manipulated by the board masters.
And Thanks, Pascha – I try to earn that title each and every day!
bptParticipant.. maybe that couple WAS BP Totty and .. he has a Brittish accent-
No, Blinky, sad to say, my accent is 110% brooklyn. And when I talk fast, it really comes to the surface. Listen to the following exchange, when a motorist gave me the business for not riding in the bike lane (because traffic was too heavy to allow me to cross to the other side of the street, where the lane was:
Ifyoudaletmepass,Idamovedtodabikelane! (one long word, except of the comma, and notice the use of the word “da” in instead of “would have” and “the” .
British? Fuggedaboudit!
bptParticipant1st stop should be the thread above, which had loads of advice.
2nd – Poppa is right; think of yourself as being in the shidduch market, and see how fast your husband notices the new you.
3rd – sort of like Minyan Gal’s idea, but instead, pick an activity you cannot do now (like walk 6 flights of steps without stopping) and try to meet that goal within 6 months.
Winter is coming, so outdoor excercise is going to be a challenge. Stairs in a hospital is an ideal place, as its safe, well lit and warm / dry. (forget the gym, its too condusive to chit-chat).
Start with a small goal, don’t race your way to the floor you set as a goal, and above all esle, portion control. Denying youeself the foods you love will not work. Eat, but eat with a cheshbon.
October 18, 2010 10:31 pm at 10:31 pm in reply to: What happened to Hakoros Hatov & Derech Eretz in the CR ? #705050bptParticipantMinyan Gal –
While I’m not on-line quite that long, I see one major difference between the AOL group you describe and the frum, on-line communiity of today. That group was seeking people who are like-minded, and the net brought them together. Today, many of us share the same ideas, but for one reason or another (gender, family, ect) need to keep our ideas off the public record.
For example, I feel that boys should be ready to work, shortly after marriage. But if my kids decide to be the sit and learn type, my rants will only embarress them, and my spouse / mechutonim to boot.
Or if I have some really good cc cookie receipes, that ms. 19 year old, still in sem, would like to have, that’s ok if its shared on-line, and in a moderated site. But very NOT ok if its swapped in Vegas.
And for the record, YNW is the only CR I visit. Mods (and the CR group)keep things on a fair playing field, and I don’t need the trouble the unmonitored net can bring.
Canadian Praries, huh? Boy, talk about OOT!
bptParticipantSorry, Poppa. Could you please re-phrase your question?
bptParticipantI cannot for the life of me, see how CR time (which is as healthful as sunshine) can be lumped together with “browsing the net” which is a pure waste of time.
OTOH, your supervisor no doubt visits the CR, so more than likely, you’re about to get a whole lot of work coming your way…..
bptParticipantI can’t vouch for the pricing, but the quality of the food is top rate. We buy strawberries (gasp!) and they are the best.
bptParticipantFunny thing is, we as a society are all to willing to turn a blind eye to bocherim who “need to smoke to unwind” (though I for one cannot see what kind of stress they are under as compared to their peers), yet heaven help the female that lights up, all heck breaks loose.
Go figure.
bptParticipantWe must not have been on the same ferry, as the one I was on had a tour bus full of Eastern Bloc looking fellas, that in a different era, would have been introducing me to the business end of a baseball bat.
Sad to say, this weekend was not nearly as exciting. Hope your was more fun!
bptParticipantAnd as far as going along with my mechutonim, I see myself as being a real pleasure to deal with, as the only one that can suffer from my obstinance would be my sons.
Besides, by the time we get the happy couple down the aisle, we’ll have both made so many concessions, it’l be hard to tell who’s who.
(Halivey, b’korov. I’d even consider going white-shirt only in the Fall / Winter, if it comes down to that. But lets see :()
bptParticipant“wrap your boys in a Talis the first time you took theim to Cheder”
Thank you for pointing that out. It was many years ago, and I forgot.
Truth be told, I’m just getting used to having an “empty tallis” by dichuning. I guess its a sign of aging 🙁
bptParticipant“an example of a yeshiva that allows it”
They don’t “allow” it, but they don’t condemn it either, so in the end, they allow it
bptParticipantThe same way we turn a blind eye to loshon hora:
Lighting does’nt strike on the spot and “everyone’s doing it” so it goes unchecked and unchallenged.
But let that same bocher try to sneak a Hersheys,or wear a blue shirt, and he is DOOMED.
That’s where we are today. Sad, but true.
bptParticipantSJS –
No telling what’s in stock in the NNJ libraries, but the paperback racks in the BPL carry enough firepower to ruin even the best kid. You’re thinking like an adult and see how you can weight / sift out right from wrong. Kids don’t have that abibilty (yet) and the library is not the place for them to learn.
ICOT –
Today’s world is not the same as it was 5 years ago. Today’s kids are 10x as savvy, and the natural curiosity is presisly what on-line sites prey feed off of.
bptParticipantWe have our share of busy moments here at the widget factory I work for. But right now, the paperwork dept is a bit slow, so I have more time to CR.
Besides, if you want to really fall into a deep sleep, try standing in a store, where the only things on display are of ZERO interest to you (for me, yesterday, this was linen). Let me tell you, I could sooner spend 30 minutes watching an ant hill. But to see the frenzy in the store? You’d think the shoppers were examining the Hope diamond.
bptParticipantICOT –
Are your kids boys? And more specificaly, teen BOYS?
Take it from a former teen boy; once you’ve seen something not on the approved list, it takes a whole lot of scouring to get the mind thoroghly cleaned.
Kinda like a grapejuice stain on a tablecloth, it never come out completely. So best be VERY careful.
bptParticipantTaco chips. My real fav is Terra Chips, but at $5.00 a bag, I don’t see it as home as often as I’d like.
A close 2nd is kettle cooked potato chips, but those only get bought when we go to Walmart or Shoprite (meaning: July and Aug)
Gosh, I am REALLY hungry now!
bptParticipantSo folks, how was everyone’s weekend? Mine was ok, but very tiring. It started out as a brisk walk, but somehow led to “just want to stop in to XYZ store, for just one minute” which became 30, so I’m glad to get back to the desk, where I can get some rest.
What did others do?
bptParticipantI think it was quite funny to see R’ Levin written up this past week in a charedie weekend newspaper, toting the virtues of Mr. Paladino, with R’ Zwiebel getting 2 lines in the article to say that R’ Levin does not speak on behalf of Ortho Judaism .
Would love to see how the same paper digs its way out of the hole, now that R’ Zweibel has been proven right. Is Agudah necessarily THE mouthpiece of Orthodox Judaism? Perhaps not.
But they sure do a better job of handling the press.
bptParticipantOther than davening, the only other thing I used my talis for is to cover my kids during dichuning. The next planned use (aside from davening) is as a wrap, achar meah v’esrim
bptParticipantBlinky be on the Mods watch list? You have a better chance of being on the FAA’s watch list (I mean, those 500+lbs suitcases on the LA-Paris flight did raise a few eyebrows). But when they called the CR for a background check, we told them it was 499 cans of tuna fish and a contact lens case, so they let it thru)
What I wanted to adress was a comment made in one of your lymmiricks.
You’ve got your eyes on a a white mink!
Boy, I sure hope your chosson as deep pockets!
bptParticipantThat’s not where I was headed, but its a good idea, SJS.
My agenda is the revival of Torah im Derech Eretz (and no, YU does not have that copyrighted, they just picked up the baton and ran away with it).
Time for us black hatters to wake up as well.
bptParticipantWhen to give up? When they are shoveling dirt onto a person, at that point, I would say, its truly too late.
But prior to that, there is always hope. Look at this week’s parsha; things looked pretty bleak for Hagar and her son, but at the last moment, her eyes were “opened up” (meaning, she saw a source of help that she had missed before) and all went uphill from there.
In specific regards to shidduchim, I heard in the name of a prominent Rosh Yeshiva (can’t recall the name, so I’ll leave it off):
Every one has a zivug, and it “belongs” to one person in particular. The trick is “finding” the person. But once the person “gives up” on “finding” the zivug, another person can come along and “claim” the zivug for themselves.
Bottom line.. NEVER give up hope.
October 18, 2010 3:54 pm at 3:54 pm in reply to: Alumni of BY of Boro Park We need your Help! #701168bptParticipantHere we go again!
bptParticipantArc –
They may have “filters” of a sort, but it will still let our yeshiva / bais yaakov eyes see all sorts of things they don’t see at home.
Many of these kids do not have televisions, and on-line (even the library filtered kind ) gives them a real shock.
And no, I don’t have my kids walk around blind-folded. But seeing the stuff that can get thru the filter, and un-mod controlled chat rooms, no, that’s not a good diet.
All I’m saying is, watch what your kids are doing. Even in the library.
October 18, 2010 3:42 pm at 3:42 pm in reply to: What happened to Hakoros Hatov & Derech Eretz in the CR ? #705046bptParticipantYashrus is a better word, as we all know you can be within the confines of “tznius” and still be doing something you’d not do in front of your rov.
I mean, can you imagine my wife walking in to Dunkin’ Doughnuts and seeing me at a table with a chevrah wearing skirts? Or having my kids see me? No, that’s not what we want coming out of the CR.
But I’ll keep you posted on the kiddush. If we can pull it off, we’ll have a mechitza, so all will be A-ok!
bptParticipantBlinky – Are you out there?
Something you said in the lymmericks thread caught my attention. I don’t want to derail your thread, so let me know if you’re on yet
bptParticipantYeshiva Guy –
Forget about the blessing from senior managment. This needs to be a grass roots effort. The mainstream is already bogged down with too many layers, so only the loudest (and richest) get heard.
Once people are clear about what they truly want, the layers will peel away, and the path will be smooth as glass.
And Poppa –
True, most Lakewood boys do get married within a year, but at what age, and to what age counterpart? And what do they plan to do once their primary source of cash (wife or parents) decide Dayeinu?
Its time our bochurim start showing some initiative; not being content to take the passive role. Sooner or later, this becomes reality, so why hide from it?
October 18, 2010 2:49 pm at 2:49 pm in reply to: What happened to Hakoros Hatov & Derech Eretz in the CR ? #705043bptParticipantI agree with Minyan Gal; the CR is one of the more respectful places on the web (thanks to the Mods, I might add).
And Oomis, I’d taek you up on the offer, but I’m fleshigs (polite way of ducking out, don’t you think?)
Now that I think of my choice of “fleshig”, its more true than I realize. When it comes down to it, I (like all of us) are “odom gashmi” (poeple of flesh and blood) so certain dividers are necessary to maintain the kashrus we so value.
OTOH, I think you, SJS, Blinky, Minyan Gal (those are the 1st that come to mind) would have a blast, should you find yourselves face-to-face in the real world!
In the meantime, I’ll try to convince Squeek to host a blow-out kiddush…!
bptParticipantPhrum and Prof1 –
Your observations blew me away (Phrum’s more so, but Prof also made a good point)
bptParticipantI can’t speak for all kids and all libraries, but the ones in Bklyn have a much bigger danger than problem books.
Its called internet access. Think all kids go to read? Think again.
bptParticipantIf ever a girl was ready for the shidduch market….!
bptParticipantGood point, Ezrat. But back then, we had the resources (and then some) from Yam Suf and what was taken from Mitzrayim. Also, things used for “kedusha” things (like animals being used as a korban,or for food, which we elevate by saying a brocha upon) is use.
What society does today is ABuse. And this is the price humanity pays for being abusive.
bptParticipantI’m reminded of our common denominator every time I travel. I’ve been in a minyan where the 7th thru 10th person only daven once in a while, I’ve asked people who I know not to be frum, if they’ll stand in as the 10th.
Hard to judge what the value of a yehei shemei rabbah and omain is from “once-in-a-while” people, but I’ll bet its way up there.
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