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(speaking as a yeshiva-rooted person)
Freinds as in hello / goodbye? That’s ok. Friends as in I’ve got an extra ticket to a ball game, wanna come? No, that’s not ok.
Either date, or don’t
Growing up, all we knew of in terms of salads was iceberg lettuce, peppers and tomatoes. Dressing was mayo and ketchup mixed together.
Now, we refer to Salad Time, whose options can give you a new salad each week.
Cholent, chicken soup, kugel are basicaly unchanged from the way we had it as kids though.
And PostSem –
When I’m speaking / writing in English, its CHOlent; when speaking yiddish, its CHUlent. (oddly enough, my ivrah has the litvish accent; its only yiddish where the BP in me shines 🙂
(see how this works, Doc!)
Pepper, not the spice
But still quite nice,
And shares his mashkeh on ice!
This is a natural for me
when not cruising in my suburban
Lights / sirens, – whatta sight to see,
BP is THE place to be!
(Sorry, my thirst for grammen, overrode the Limericks cap of 5 lines!)
Games? Who has time for that?
Thanks for starting this, Tzippi.
I remember R’ Rosenberger making the rounds in the 70′, and he would visit our yeshiva to introduce the concept of shatnez checking. (Prior to that, it was based on whatever the garment’s label said).
If I recall, R’ Rosenberger left behind no children (R’L), so learning in his zechus is something we need to do.
Again, thanks
Ziedie 78 –
The situation was not that out of control, as there was a small drill hole made withing the first 3 weeks, after which supplied and medicine was able to be sent down. And they had plenty of space to move around, and running water.
Ramateshkolian and Kapusta –
Great observations! I’ll add to that by saying there is also a “line of communication” that connects you to “above” which keeps you level during a crisis.
Ezrat –
Hashem does not require us to do that; no more than He requires us to drill for oil in the Gulf. Its our greed and consumerism that fuels that hunger.
Lastly, Telegrok –
You make a good point. The question is, do they still carry religion with them beyond crunch time, or was this the work of one inspired individual?
Again, I might be expecting too much from people that are not “maa’mid Har Sinai”. But regardless, WE have surely learned a lot from this story (and people say blogs are narishkeit!)
From my experiecne, nothing beats a weekend in a hotel, (there are dozens to choose from)but it must be a place where meals are served.
Eating out is a close second, but it must be place with linen table cloths and reservaions required.
No idea what the magic is, but Mrs loves the opportunity to get dressed, makeup, the whole bit. I guess its the see and be seen phenom.
Walking is nice too, but nothing like a weekend / meal.
Uh oh, I’d better get home..its quarter past 3!
Yes, Blinky; every once in a while, the humanity in me bubbles to the surface 😐
Commonsense – You are right; the saying is, “there are no athiests in foxholes”. When trapped, and all else seemed bleak, I’m sure there was a whole lot of praying and deal making by both miners and the families up on the ground.
The difference is, when we overcome a huge challenge we (hopefully!) keep the momentum going and really do become (try) to be better people.
Many years ago, I heard a speech in response to a community tragedy that got me to stop talking with my tefillin on.
So yes, it was a very moving moment; the speaker, Rabbi Sussner of BP, was great. But did it make a lasting impact? Did it change the way people act?
I can’t speak for the other people in the room, but I’m willing to say, if not that time, then surely the next speech (or the one after that) reached them.
So we (klal yisroel) change for the better, when we survive a challenge. Do the miners?
Lets wait and see….
I was told as follows: (answers are in your question sequence)
1 – Optimal is starting with everyone else, but as long as there are still people standing, you’re in the clear.
2 – See above, but from Yishtabach till Shemonah Estrei, you can’t skip anything.
3 – everything except Baruch Sheamar, Ashrei, the last Hallelukah, and then its on to Yishtabach (from then on, its no skipping)
4 – Sort of. You can keep pace, and then say kedusha with the shatz, but then you miss all the omains. Best would be to start as soon as you can and catch as many omains as possible.
5 – If you’re smack in middle, you can’t say any part of kedusha. If you start and keep pace, see above.
As you can tell, I’m a pro at falling behind / starting late. Most mornings, I start at one minyan, fall behind and then pick up a later starting minyan (one of the benefits to davening at a minyan factory).
Not the ideal perhaps, but surely better than putting on talis / tefillin, davening from brachos trhu SA in 9 minutes (which I have seen, but cannot understand how the people do it)
You bought what type of cheese?! I said small curd!
This story came to my mind this morning (its from Rabbi Frand)
One day, Eliayhu Ha’navi decides to pay a visit to the Bais Hachayim (the cemetary), and give everyone a “one day pass” meaning, everyone stands up, in perfect health and is free to go and do whatever it is they please. But for one day only; after that, its back to the grave until techiyas hamaisim.
Needless to say, each and every person will put their day to good use. One will visit an aunt they always meant to; another will call a friend to apologize for something said proir to d-day; yet another will rush to finish the blatt he was in middle of, and then start the next blatt. And so on.
But not one will simply waste the day. Because they now now, that time is precious, and time can run out at a moments notice.
So (continues Rabbi Frand, in his booming voice) “vos is azio shlect” (yiddish for: what’s so terrible, but it sounds so much better in yiddish) if we (the people in the audience) have more than just a one day pass? Should’nt we make the most of each and every moment?
True, the rescue story was a great feat. And the miners have a lot to be thankful for.
But are they changed people? Ok, I’m not sure how a goy should react to this sort of life altering experience. I only saw the photo of one miner kneeling (perhaps not the way I express gratitude to my Maker, but it was a nice expression on the miner’s part. But when the media dies down, where do the survivors go from there? Are their kids / family changed people?
Still, it is a good story. If there’s a lesson I learn from this its this: never give up, and put your time to good use!
Hardly. And in the arena of internal politics (say, shul, school or the State of Israel) we should be very vocal.
What I’m saying here has nothing to do with R’ Levin’s personal opinions. But I do take issue with him dragging ME into the process. Do we need to know what politicans stand for? Of course we do. But we do NOT need bad media
Oh, is that the rule? The next line needs to rhyme with the preceeding last word?
Even though my responsibilites as a YNW Mod demand that I EDIT anything that is off base, in the spirit of Broken Telephone, I’ll let that allow that one to pass, Hershey. And say hello to Pinny when you see him; I still have his tennis raquet in my trunk.
Artchill –
I know that Augudah has to be careful about the way they say things. That’s politics. And lay leadership needs to tread carefully, if we are to be the beneficiaries of public money (which we sorely need)
That said, I;m certain 99% of the CR readership will agree with what R’ Levin said.
But he did not need to say it on the public record. It makes us look bad. Just like the poor showing we had at the Baptist protest earlier this week. And when I say we, I mean the folks in attendance with a yarmulka, beacuse that’s who the media considers “we”.
The court of public opinion is very strict today. It would be wise of us to avoid undue negative attention. My family / friends know where I stand on issues like this. But I do not need to broadcast it across America. We (meaning the Orthodox) are a drop in the population bucket; we need not make this much noise.
That’s what the poll booth is for.
I think the idea is to post a statment that has nothing to do with the previous statments Example:
Q – Does this shirt come in size 8?
A – Yes, its in the freezer section, aisle 2
Q – Can you deliver it after 3pm?
A – After 6? The chuppah is called for 5:30!
A – What do you mean, the flight’s delayed?!
Q – So what you’re saying is, the deal is on hold
A – No, not at all. But if you can, please buy milk.
That’s the idea.
But I’ll take it a step further. When the thread runs cold, I’ll collect all posts and try to “thread” them into a story. Total nonsense, obviouly, becuase the posts were completely non-related. Who knows? It just might make sense!
I don’ think this is mindless loshon hora. Its the political process, and R’ Levin thrust us (meaning all orthodoxy) into a spotlight we really don’t need.
Perhaps if some of the opinions stated here (not just this thread) get noticed by the talking heads, they might think twice before making statements in our name.
While I agree that pro- alternative lifestyle (I can’t bring myself to print the word in the CR) is a bad thing, I don’t think R’ Levin should be speaking to the press. He does not “represent” all Orthodoxy, yet the media presents him as such.
At best, statements like this should come from Agudah, and be directed to us. A low public profile on this issue would serve us better. We can vote as we please.
I spotted IMAYENTA, but could not figure out if it was Ima Yenta or I’m a Yenta
No, this bus is headed for Tucson!
Ha! Good line!
“how do you know Ginohs so well”
We’ve ordered from them a few times. I thought the name was Gino’s (as in the Italian), but when the delivery came, we saw the spelling, and my son figured out the name.
“a chilled out pop”
Funny you should say that. They tell me my wardrobe is just steps away from Kensetonia, and if not for having super-cool yeshiva kids, I’d be run out of town. And to add insult to injury, they further tell me that if not for their super-cool mother, they would have no sense of style at all.
Oh, and the next car, will need (NEED!) to have leather seats. But thanks, I really try to keep my finger on the pulse. That, and not too long ago, I was living dorm life (unless you think 20 years ago is a long time)
2-7 hours notice? Let me tell you, after 20+ years of marriage, 2-7 hours notice is a just a warm up in our place.
Makeup / what to wear / choosing a handbag can take almost that long.
Enjoy dating while it lasts!
Another place that deserves special mention is long gone. Back in 1978 (can you imagine?) the corner of 47th /13th ave had a store called Deizengofs. It had a table with a video game under a plexiglass top called Space Invaders. Back in the days, this was cutting edge technology, because the other shops only had pinball machines.
The joke that comes to my mind (edited for the CR) is:
Kallah: mommy, I’m a bit concerned about Best Bocher’s hashkofos.
Mommy: (or shvigger, depending on the side you’re looking from)
Not to worry, Shefalah;
From you, he’ll learn Ahavas Yisroel.
From Tatty, he’ll learn Emunah and Bitachon.
And from me, he’ll learn Yiras Ha’Oinesh!
HIE –
You’re dorming? Bed bugs are the least of your concerns. Here’s what will really be the questions you need to be asking yourself:
Should I go to VIP cholent or Shnitzi?
Should I play ball bein hasdorim, or take a nap?
Should I daven at Landaus (to see the chevra) or Ashkenazi?
Should I go home midweek (for decent food) or order from Dougies?
These are the pressing issue of the next 10 months! (Besides, saturating your body with Coors will keep those nasty bugs at bay)
You are correct HLM, I do try to give it my 100% (as does Mrs.) Thank you for making that point.
Ginohs of BP. Its not really a “store”; its run by the Honig family, and they do home delivery. The best I’ve had.
The 2nd best place, though I’ve never been there is J2 of Lakewood. They’ve gotten some negative press for being a hangout, but I’m told the owner makes a point of speaking to each of the kids that hang out there, in the hopes that one day, these kids will find there place. Can’t vouch for the pizza, but as far as a place goes, I think this deserves favorable mention.
Moq and My Friend made very good points (and Moq, I loved your line about stores that cater to the Rich and Yeshivish)
As NYer as I am, I try very hard not to get swept up in the cell-text-always-wired-always-want-to-be-somewhere-else mania.
When I go to shul / shiur, I leave my cell phone at home. If its THAT important, I can be called out. Its only 15 minutes from my house, so if its not important enough to come get me, it can wait till I get back home.
A few years ago, I was at a concert, sitting in the $25 seats. Ahead of me, were the $50, $75 and $100 seats. At any given point, half the crowd, (sitting in very expensive seats), could be seen on their Blackberry / PDAs. And these were people that paid good money to be there, yet apparently wanted to be somewhere / with someone else. Its a NY thing.
My friend made another good point. OOT (wherever that might be) everyone is there by choice, so they presumably share common interests / goals, whatever, so not only are there less people to know, all the people there WANT to be there, and enjoy being there. Contrast that to a NYer like me, I’m forced (self imposed, perhaps, but that’s besides the point) to be here, along with the the other 50,000 or so people in frum NYC, there is no way for me to get to know each and every one of them. So I stick to the 50 or so friends (excluding the CR friends of course to which logistical constraints do not apply)and leave it at that.
As far as the mad rush in NYC as opposed to elsewhere, this (IMHO) is because in NYC, if you blink, you’ve missed something. OOT (again, werever that might be) if you close your eyes for 30 minutes, what did you miss? The grass growing another milimeter? (Ha, Ha, just kidding)
But really, NYC is a frenzied merry-go-round, and we are hanging on for dear life, loving every thrill-packed moment! (this, as the sirens scream past my window, flying down 13th ave and 80 MPH!)
And with regards to moving in:
Why would anyone spend $3000 to look at Brooklyn?
No, I think I’ll enjoy the wavy bldg from the outside and put the $3m towards Squeak’s idea!
What a riot, Dr. Pepper. I was on the ferry this Sunday too! 10:30 outbound, 2:30 return.
And yes, Squeak, you are right. I made the math error, thinking nothing could be 192%, so I must have heard wrong.
(Sorry, BP is a long way off from 770, so the details are a bit fuzzy.)
And thanks for the story re-write. (this one, and Yankel / Ivan)
Details are a bit different, but the message is the same, but its always nice to shake things up a bit!
Thanks – Blinky! I just clicked send, when yours appearded.
I think your suggestion had a better ring to it!
I was thinking, at that point, something like NJ Zeidy would sum it up pretty well 🙂
Not al all, So right. (gosh, didn’t you read the whole post?)
Ok, I’ll re-post it:
and she works and / or manages the house, they are 50/50 partners.
I don’t mind being slammed for something dumb I say, but please, take the time to read what I said before lashing into me. If she runs the house, that’s called work. And more often than not, she is also working, so if anything, her share of the partnership, should be more like 75%, becuase she is doing TWO jobs (earning and running the house).
What does he do towards the running of the house / earning what is takes to run the house?
And Moq –
Not for one minute, do I think we are talking about someone that you describe (in great detail, I might add, which leads me to believe that you are / trying to become just such a type of Ben Torah).
No, I think the “mashgiach-wife” is waking up to the sad reality that her “best-bocher” cannot hold a candle to the sweat and toil that she has, to date, plowed into becoming an akeres habayis.
Will he eventualy pull his weight? Most likley. In the meantime, does she have the right to be miffed about his willy-nilly attitude?
I think so.
(and by you comment about being tired, does that mean you’re on the other side of the Atlantic? If so, leig zich shluffen, gezinteh heit!)
SI as shpitz NY? Ok, you got me there. All I can counter with (and its pretty lame, I’ll admit) is the SI Ferry is free, so in theory, you could still leave at will, should you choose to do so.
(see, I told you it was lame.)
And I for one should not be poking fun at ex-NYers, as with almost 99% sureity, my boys will be headed to Lakewood, with me not far behind, once all of them are there. What’s that they say about living in a glass house….?
No, So Right, you did’nt read what I wrote. If she and he works, they are partners.
But you are right techicaly. If she does nothing in the house (which is rare to find in any torah home) then yes, she should have zero expectations of any rights to be boss.
But sadly, the case today for the most part is, she works, he does zip to help, so yes, SHE IS THE BOSS.
If he wants his rights, let him earn them.
Your comment about water reminded me of a funny story:
And elderly Chabad’zke was told by his doctor that the cough he has is “water on the lungs”.
“Water? When did I last drink water?” he thinks to himself.
Oh, he realizes, It must be the 4% they mix into “zeks-un-ninziger” (for those not familiar with Chabad, behind Absolut, the drink of choice is a local brew which is 96 proof, or 48 percent alcohol)
For all the complaints about NYC, I should point out that with regards to the tolls, leaving town is free, and people PAY to get in, so there must be something worth coming (and staying) for.
When he works and she works and / or manages the house, they are 50/50 partners.
When she works and he’s in kollel (and does zip towards house / child help, SHE OWNS HIM, lock, stock and barrel. So yes, she had the right to boss him around.
He should be grateful she does’nt take away the car keys.
I thought whats doing is Mi Chinal.
And the reply I hear is “shemi” (nothing)
The phrase I hear alot (when Mrs talks to her mother) is Hoh t’viyak. When asked, she said it means “whaddya-call-it”,
Mrs has forgotten the vast majority of her vocabulary, so her conversation is peppered with “waddya-call-its”, fishing for the word that describes what she is trying to say
I can actually say firsthand what it feels like to have a report card withheld, and its not pretty. Especially knowing that its not your fault and that your parents are trying really hard
And that’s why, Blinky, you love / respect your parents, much more than you do the school you went to. As it well should be.
To quote an adom godol, when it came to a shechita question, and he was told, XYZ’s team said this is the better way:
You can believe them.. ven ez kimpt tzi tzappen blit, zei zennem mumchim! (no real way to translate into english, but essentially means when it comes to bloodsucking / kishka eating, the mosdos are pros)
She score a 9.5 for the quick “eat out” recovery, but lost 2 for the battery park slip. I would have deducted 3, but battery park shares the same initals as Boro Park, so I was leinient.
I did’nt say its right to use kids as levrage, I just said its a sad fact.
I always strongly recommend she bring mace
Once again, MyFriend, you win the prize of the day for posting the funniest line! (not as funny as last week’s but close)