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Rightwriter, if you’re worried about losing you freedom, take the vaccine.
AAQ, and if they live normally,vas before the pandemic? Are they rodfim? Is it muttar to kill them?
I’ll bring up MadeAliyah’s question as well, perhaps a bit differently – if everyone else is vaccinated, why would they care if some weren’t?
Worse? That’s insane.
I believe there is no determination yet that vaccine sufficiently reduced transmission, although there are preliminary estimates.
Read Bloomberg: Pfizer-BioNTech Shot Stops Covid Spread, Israeli Study Shows
There are other sources as well.
Even 1 person dying from a vaccine is too much since it’s meant to protect not kill.
Of course one person dying is tragic. But dying of Covid is no less tragic, and in all likelihood, the vaccine will prevent a lot more deaths from Covid than it will cause.
The fact that the vaccine is meant to protect is irelevant. That doesn’t make one death from the vaccine worse than a thousand deaths from Covid, which the vaccine prevents.
Besides as I mentioned in my posts, we are talking about the LONGRUN. Noone knows what side effects this vaccine has whether in a year or 2 or 5 or 10.
Nobody knows for sure, but there’s no reason to believe it will be so bad.. We do know, however, the the long term effect of dying from Covid. The person remains dead.
I believe there is no determination yet that vaccine sufficiently reduced transmission
There is.
If you grant that I am correct, and they act the same as possible people who were vaccinated, is it muttar to kill them?
They are basicallly rodfim.
I think they are wrong, but rodfim? Would you literally kill them?
Of course the virus killed people, but most people survived.
It certainly true that most people survived.
It is also certainly true that most people survived the vaccine.
It is most likely true that taking the vaccine is much more likely to save lives than not.
AAQ: L’chaim!
Blump
I know you don’t believe in vaccines, and maybe you don’t even believe in corona, but most people do.
They are trying to keep people from getting sick and dying.
Everything I say you pick on with insults of “LIES! SHEKER!”
Perhaps if you stuck to the truth, she wouldn’t do that.
Yserbius123, bravo, well expressed.
That’s a head scratcher, Reb E. Every other post of yours bashes only Republicans.
Try the same with shailos for at least 50-50
No, you missed the point. It’s a siman, not a sibah.
Ok, true, if you realize that your priorities are wrong, perhaps focusing on finding bein adam lachaveiro shailos is a good trick to realign your priorities, but the shailos aren’t the essential issue.
But I think the main contention here is not a specific halakha
Correct
The issue raised is whether we are allowed to deal with issues ourselves or need to ask any time there is a change from daily routine.
No, if I switch from Cheerios to Corn Flakes, I don’t need to ask. Skipping Kaddish, yes.
Is being dan l’kaf z’chus a positive thought?
I am being dan l’kaf z’chus that the Covid lockdowns and mask wearing have affected people’s midos, and really they are nice people. I hope the damage isn’t permanent and that after this is all over they will go back to being nice.
“on the two sides of this argument, pro-death and anti-COVID, ”
With these words you have illustrated your inability to have a conversation.
This is right on the mark. If Yserbius would speak to 1000 rabbonim and mechanchim who disagreed with him, he would disregard all of it because they are all pro death.
The fact is that there are gedolim on both sides of the equation. But not according to Yserbius, because by definition they aren’t gedolim since they’re “pro death” r”l.
From the CDC: Masks should NOT be worn by children under age 2 or anyone who has trouble breathing.
The person who I mentioned was told by his doctor that he cannot wear a mask for long periods.
(It was physical. If it were psychological it probably would have bolstered my point even more)
Were you a pathological liar before Covid, or is this an effect of the lockdown and restrictions? Maybe the psychological impact of wearing a mask?
Pro death? Another blatant lie. They are piling up.
I am not diving into the weird part of the internet just to find one or two obscure conspiracy sites that bolster your argument.
Not conspiracy sites. Real stories, on sites which actually are in favor of masks. But you won’t go past five sites because you don’t want to see anything behich contradicts your made up reality that masks are no big deal.
You have yet to bring a single rational argument about how the mild psychological affects of mask wearing somehow trump the major sakana of not wearing them (see: my drunk driving moshol).
Real life. Conversations with mechanchim.
I woud tell you to speak to rabbonim and mechanchim who don’t insist on masks and ask them the reasons, in a sincere way, but I’m afraid you are not able to drop your bias and hear real answers and accept that there’s another side.
that if someone had Hatzalah called because a mask inhibited their breathing,
Wow. You have a serious problem with the truth. Even while trying to wriggle out if it you still can’t help lying.
I did not say he called Hatzala. Again you made that up. Almost called Hatzala.
You totally missed the point (on purpose)
Unfortunately that’s his MO
I am not too lazy.
https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/anti-face-mask-ywncr#post-1924084
It’s a 100% true story, someone did almost call Hatzala, and the point was to demonstrate that some people do have trouble breathing (google asthma and masks) and you distorted it and said I claimed Hatzala was running amok treating patients for mask wearing. And doubled and tripled down on that lie, along with others (masks don’t create problems with communication!).
You are the one who lost all credibility, because although I suppose you can doubt the story happened, you have no way of knowing that it was “invented”. Among a bunch of other lies and distortions.
When all else fails, double down on your lies and distortions. And add to them.
No, you should have asked a shaila instead of making your own assumptions
I don’t agree that Rush was talented
That’s unusual bias induced blindness. Most of his detractors acknowledge his immense talent. Most people are not talented enough to gain such a huge audience.
I personally was involved in a couple of competitive intellectual pursuits over years, so I know what I don’t know reasonably well.
Apparently not well enough.
Not sure what the rest of your post even means or how it relates to this discussion.
“Even”? Because it was earlier in your yeshiva curriculum?
No, because more people ask those than ask Choshen Mishpat shailos. You probably don’t ask enough of either.
I do ask Orech Chaim shailos when I have them.
You are too quick to assume you don’t have one.
Reb Eliezer,
We need the help of our allies to fight Iran.
What does that have to with making a deal with Iran?
And what on earth does tefillin have to do with it? Purim Torah?
Huju, a liar, yes. A hypocrite? After several posters explained the difference between what he did andxwhst others he complained about did, it’s pretty obvious it’s the R before his name which majes you think he’s a hypocrite.
You don’t wear eyeglasses, do you?
lolYes, Yserbius, wearing a mask for hours at a time for month after month after month has produced a terrible effect, socially and emotionally. You get so caught up in the physical aspect that you completely ignore that part. But it’s very real, and while I respect those who have decided to prioritize the physical danger, I also respect those who have prioritized the other very real dangers.
He’s saying that people don’t ask enough shailos in Choshen Mishpat. He’s right. Rav Moshe Feinstein lamented that people didn’t ask enough shailos in Hilchos Tzeddakah. He was also right.
You are even worse. You don’t even ask shailos in Orech Chaim!
I was just thinking today that I got a misleading name! AAQ does not stand for “always ask shailos”, it stands for “always ask kushios”..
The biggest kashya is on you for not asking shailos when appropriate.
Our appointments are next week IYH for the first dose
Hatzlocha with that.
And BTW, I am not against wearing masks. I do wear one when the situation warrants it. If you want to wear a mask, go right ahead. If you want to stay away away from places where not everyone is masked, I respect that.
All I want is for you to respect others’ decisions not to wear masks in all of the situations you do. They have good reasons.
making the virus much less dangerous so we no longer have to mask and socially distant.
Less dangerous, but still dangerous. So why won’t you just wear the stupid mask?